Is it game-breaking if creatures are allowed to be summoned inside other creatures?
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I'm playing in a 5e campaign, and one of the other players convinced the DM to let him summon animals inside of other animals, e.g. summoning a wolf inside of a cow. The player has exploited this to summon other animals inside of people, giving them wings or the ability to breathe underwater. He also uses it offensively and summons animals inside of enemies to hinder them.
This makes encounters much less interesting to me, but the DM and the player both see nothing wrong with it.
Is it game-breaking if creatures are allowed to be summoned inside other creatures, or am I overreacting to a harmless buff?
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I'm playing in a 5e campaign, and one of the other players convinced the DM to let him summon animals inside of other animals, e.g. summoning a wolf inside of a cow. The player has exploited this to summon other animals inside of people, giving them wings or the ability to breathe underwater. He also uses it offensively and summons animals inside of enemies to hinder them.
This makes encounters much less interesting to me, but the DM and the player both see nothing wrong with it.
Is it game-breaking if creatures are allowed to be summoned inside other creatures, or am I overreacting to a harmless buff?
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Welcome to the site! Take the tour. Has the DM codified these house rules, either aloud or in writing, so that everyone has had the opportunity to evaluate them or has it been all Animals in animals… that would be cool… sure or the like? Further, did you know of this house rule when the campaign began? Finally, does the house rule apply universally or to just one character? (You should edit these answers into your question instead of answering in comments.) Thank your for participating, and I hope answers help you have more fun!
– Hey I Can Chan
3 hours ago
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How does the GM address summoning animals inside of enemies? I would expect that to be...catastrophic for the target.
– TimothyAWiseman
2 hours ago
What class and level is your character?
– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
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To follow up on what Hey I Can Chan asks, Spells like Conjure Animals require line of sight to the area you are summoning into. Does the house rule affect this one specific spell or is it that line of sight limitations are not being enforced globally?
– Rykara
2 hours ago
Both specific effects you list are achievable with existing spells. Are you sure the player actually uses a spell that summons animals in these cases and this is not just fluff for spells like fly and water breathing?
– Szega
2 hours ago
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I'm playing in a 5e campaign, and one of the other players convinced the DM to let him summon animals inside of other animals, e.g. summoning a wolf inside of a cow. The player has exploited this to summon other animals inside of people, giving them wings or the ability to breathe underwater. He also uses it offensively and summons animals inside of enemies to hinder them.
This makes encounters much less interesting to me, but the DM and the player both see nothing wrong with it.
Is it game-breaking if creatures are allowed to be summoned inside other creatures, or am I overreacting to a harmless buff?
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I'm playing in a 5e campaign, and one of the other players convinced the DM to let him summon animals inside of other animals, e.g. summoning a wolf inside of a cow. The player has exploited this to summon other animals inside of people, giving them wings or the ability to breathe underwater. He also uses it offensively and summons animals inside of enemies to hinder them.
This makes encounters much less interesting to me, but the DM and the player both see nothing wrong with it.
Is it game-breaking if creatures are allowed to be summoned inside other creatures, or am I overreacting to a harmless buff?
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Welcome to the site! Take the tour. Has the DM codified these house rules, either aloud or in writing, so that everyone has had the opportunity to evaluate them or has it been all Animals in animals… that would be cool… sure or the like? Further, did you know of this house rule when the campaign began? Finally, does the house rule apply universally or to just one character? (You should edit these answers into your question instead of answering in comments.) Thank your for participating, and I hope answers help you have more fun!
– Hey I Can Chan
3 hours ago
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How does the GM address summoning animals inside of enemies? I would expect that to be...catastrophic for the target.
– TimothyAWiseman
2 hours ago
What class and level is your character?
– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
1
To follow up on what Hey I Can Chan asks, Spells like Conjure Animals require line of sight to the area you are summoning into. Does the house rule affect this one specific spell or is it that line of sight limitations are not being enforced globally?
– Rykara
2 hours ago
Both specific effects you list are achievable with existing spells. Are you sure the player actually uses a spell that summons animals in these cases and this is not just fluff for spells like fly and water breathing?
– Szega
2 hours ago
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Welcome to the site! Take the tour. Has the DM codified these house rules, either aloud or in writing, so that everyone has had the opportunity to evaluate them or has it been all Animals in animals… that would be cool… sure or the like? Further, did you know of this house rule when the campaign began? Finally, does the house rule apply universally or to just one character? (You should edit these answers into your question instead of answering in comments.) Thank your for participating, and I hope answers help you have more fun!
– Hey I Can Chan
3 hours ago
2
How does the GM address summoning animals inside of enemies? I would expect that to be...catastrophic for the target.
– TimothyAWiseman
2 hours ago
What class and level is your character?
– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
1
To follow up on what Hey I Can Chan asks, Spells like Conjure Animals require line of sight to the area you are summoning into. Does the house rule affect this one specific spell or is it that line of sight limitations are not being enforced globally?
– Rykara
2 hours ago
Both specific effects you list are achievable with existing spells. Are you sure the player actually uses a spell that summons animals in these cases and this is not just fluff for spells like fly and water breathing?
– Szega
2 hours ago
7
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Welcome to the site! Take the tour. Has the DM codified these house rules, either aloud or in writing, so that everyone has had the opportunity to evaluate them or has it been all Animals in animals… that would be cool… sure or the like? Further, did you know of this house rule when the campaign began? Finally, does the house rule apply universally or to just one character? (You should edit these answers into your question instead of answering in comments.) Thank your for participating, and I hope answers help you have more fun!
– Hey I Can Chan
3 hours ago
Welcome to the site! Take the tour. Has the DM codified these house rules, either aloud or in writing, so that everyone has had the opportunity to evaluate them or has it been all Animals in animals… that would be cool… sure or the like? Further, did you know of this house rule when the campaign began? Finally, does the house rule apply universally or to just one character? (You should edit these answers into your question instead of answering in comments.) Thank your for participating, and I hope answers help you have more fun!
– Hey I Can Chan
3 hours ago
2
2
How does the GM address summoning animals inside of enemies? I would expect that to be...catastrophic for the target.
– TimothyAWiseman
2 hours ago
How does the GM address summoning animals inside of enemies? I would expect that to be...catastrophic for the target.
– TimothyAWiseman
2 hours ago
What class and level is your character?
– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
What class and level is your character?
– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
1
1
To follow up on what Hey I Can Chan asks, Spells like Conjure Animals require line of sight to the area you are summoning into. Does the house rule affect this one specific spell or is it that line of sight limitations are not being enforced globally?
– Rykara
2 hours ago
To follow up on what Hey I Can Chan asks, Spells like Conjure Animals require line of sight to the area you are summoning into. Does the house rule affect this one specific spell or is it that line of sight limitations are not being enforced globally?
– Rykara
2 hours ago
Both specific effects you list are achievable with existing spells. Are you sure the player actually uses a spell that summons animals in these cases and this is not just fluff for spells like fly and water breathing?
– Szega
2 hours ago
Both specific effects you list are achievable with existing spells. Are you sure the player actually uses a spell that summons animals in these cases and this is not just fluff for spells like fly and water breathing?
– Szega
2 hours ago
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First off, every "Conjure Something" spell I checked specifically call out that the summoned appear "in unoccupied space". So I'm curious how the DM thought it was valid.
Second, I don't know how anybody made the leap that summoning something into something else would be a happy blending and not Brundle Fly.
Last, I can see this as easy exploitable. Take the simple Conjure Animals as a 3rd level spell. I summon 8 Pteranodon (1/4 hit die) into my party. We now all have 60ft flight speed for an hour.
Put this against the 3rd level Fly spell. It only lasts 10 minutes and only effects one person; although still the 60 ft fly speed. At max upspell, you max out at 7 targets, still lower than a single Conjure Animal.
I would try convincing the DM back to keeping the spell as it was designed.
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First off, every "Conjure Something" spell I checked specifically call out that the summoned appear "in unoccupied space". So I'm curious how the DM thought it was valid.
Second, I don't know how anybody made the leap that summoning something into something else would be a happy blending and not Brundle Fly.
Last, I can see this as easy exploitable. Take the simple Conjure Animals as a 3rd level spell. I summon 8 Pteranodon (1/4 hit die) into my party. We now all have 60ft flight speed for an hour.
Put this against the 3rd level Fly spell. It only lasts 10 minutes and only effects one person; although still the 60 ft fly speed. At max upspell, you max out at 7 targets, still lower than a single Conjure Animal.
I would try convincing the DM back to keeping the spell as it was designed.
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First off, every "Conjure Something" spell I checked specifically call out that the summoned appear "in unoccupied space". So I'm curious how the DM thought it was valid.
Second, I don't know how anybody made the leap that summoning something into something else would be a happy blending and not Brundle Fly.
Last, I can see this as easy exploitable. Take the simple Conjure Animals as a 3rd level spell. I summon 8 Pteranodon (1/4 hit die) into my party. We now all have 60ft flight speed for an hour.
Put this against the 3rd level Fly spell. It only lasts 10 minutes and only effects one person; although still the 60 ft fly speed. At max upspell, you max out at 7 targets, still lower than a single Conjure Animal.
I would try convincing the DM back to keeping the spell as it was designed.
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First off, every "Conjure Something" spell I checked specifically call out that the summoned appear "in unoccupied space". So I'm curious how the DM thought it was valid.
Second, I don't know how anybody made the leap that summoning something into something else would be a happy blending and not Brundle Fly.
Last, I can see this as easy exploitable. Take the simple Conjure Animals as a 3rd level spell. I summon 8 Pteranodon (1/4 hit die) into my party. We now all have 60ft flight speed for an hour.
Put this against the 3rd level Fly spell. It only lasts 10 minutes and only effects one person; although still the 60 ft fly speed. At max upspell, you max out at 7 targets, still lower than a single Conjure Animal.
I would try convincing the DM back to keeping the spell as it was designed.
answered 2 hours ago
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First off, every "Conjure Something" spell I checked specifically call out that the summoned appear "in unoccupied space". So I'm curious how the DM thought it was valid.
Second, I don't know how anybody made the leap that summoning something into something else would be a happy blending and not Brundle Fly.
Last, I can see this as easy exploitable. Take the simple Conjure Animals as a 3rd level spell. I summon 8 Pteranodon (1/4 hit die) into my party. We now all have 60ft flight speed for an hour.
Put this against the 3rd level Fly spell. It only lasts 10 minutes and only effects one person; although still the 60 ft fly speed. At max upspell, you max out at 7 targets, still lower than a single Conjure Animal.
I would try convincing the DM back to keeping the spell as it was designed.
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Welcome to the site! Take the tour. Has the DM codified these house rules, either aloud or in writing, so that everyone has had the opportunity to evaluate them or has it been all Animals in animals… that would be cool… sure or the like? Further, did you know of this house rule when the campaign began? Finally, does the house rule apply universally or to just one character? (You should edit these answers into your question instead of answering in comments.) Thank your for participating, and I hope answers help you have more fun!
– Hey I Can Chan
3 hours ago
2
How does the GM address summoning animals inside of enemies? I would expect that to be...catastrophic for the target.
– TimothyAWiseman
2 hours ago
What class and level is your character?
– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
1
To follow up on what Hey I Can Chan asks, Spells like Conjure Animals require line of sight to the area you are summoning into. Does the house rule affect this one specific spell or is it that line of sight limitations are not being enforced globally?
– Rykara
2 hours ago
Both specific effects you list are achievable with existing spells. Are you sure the player actually uses a spell that summons animals in these cases and this is not just fluff for spells like fly and water breathing?
– Szega
2 hours ago