Determine whether $sum_{n=1}^{infty}frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}$ converges.
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L'Hôspital is not allowed, we are allowed to use algebraic methods.
First I have tried the root-criteria:
$$limsup_{nrightarrow infty}sqrt[n]frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}iff lim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{2}{sqrt[n]{n+3^n}},.$$ I don't know how to proceed further.
Then I have tried for a long time the quotient criteria, i.e.,
$$limsup_{nrightarrow infty}frac{frac{(n+1)2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}}{frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}iff 2lim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{n+3^n}{n+1+3^{n+1}},.$$
Last I have tried Discrete Comparison Test. My idea comparing
$$frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}text{ vs }frac{1}{n},,text{ i.e. },frac{n^22^n}{n+3^n}text{ vs }1,.$$
I have seen the plots on WolframAlpha and I have seen that $n^22^n$ converges faster then $n+3^n$ therefore $frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}>frac{1}{n}$ for almost all $n$ therefore it diverges, but I am not sure whether one can argue like that. And how to prove that $n^22^n$ converges faster then $n+3^n$ formally.
Thanks for the support!
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L'Hôspital is not allowed, we are allowed to use algebraic methods.
First I have tried the root-criteria:
$$limsup_{nrightarrow infty}sqrt[n]frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}iff lim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{2}{sqrt[n]{n+3^n}},.$$ I don't know how to proceed further.
Then I have tried for a long time the quotient criteria, i.e.,
$$limsup_{nrightarrow infty}frac{frac{(n+1)2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}}{frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}iff 2lim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{n+3^n}{n+1+3^{n+1}},.$$
Last I have tried Discrete Comparison Test. My idea comparing
$$frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}text{ vs }frac{1}{n},,text{ i.e. },frac{n^22^n}{n+3^n}text{ vs }1,.$$
I have seen the plots on WolframAlpha and I have seen that $n^22^n$ converges faster then $n+3^n$ therefore $frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}>frac{1}{n}$ for almost all $n$ therefore it diverges, but I am not sure whether one can argue like that. And how to prove that $n^22^n$ converges faster then $n+3^n$ formally.
Thanks for the support!
calculus sequences-and-series convergence limits-without-lhopital
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It's l'Hôpital (or l'Hospital) by the way, the circumflex represents a lost consonant, in this case 's'.
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– K. 622
Dec 15 '18 at 0:34
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L'Hôspital is not allowed, we are allowed to use algebraic methods.
First I have tried the root-criteria:
$$limsup_{nrightarrow infty}sqrt[n]frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}iff lim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{2}{sqrt[n]{n+3^n}},.$$ I don't know how to proceed further.
Then I have tried for a long time the quotient criteria, i.e.,
$$limsup_{nrightarrow infty}frac{frac{(n+1)2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}}{frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}iff 2lim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{n+3^n}{n+1+3^{n+1}},.$$
Last I have tried Discrete Comparison Test. My idea comparing
$$frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}text{ vs }frac{1}{n},,text{ i.e. },frac{n^22^n}{n+3^n}text{ vs }1,.$$
I have seen the plots on WolframAlpha and I have seen that $n^22^n$ converges faster then $n+3^n$ therefore $frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}>frac{1}{n}$ for almost all $n$ therefore it diverges, but I am not sure whether one can argue like that. And how to prove that $n^22^n$ converges faster then $n+3^n$ formally.
Thanks for the support!
calculus sequences-and-series convergence limits-without-lhopital
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L'Hôspital is not allowed, we are allowed to use algebraic methods.
First I have tried the root-criteria:
$$limsup_{nrightarrow infty}sqrt[n]frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}iff lim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{2}{sqrt[n]{n+3^n}},.$$ I don't know how to proceed further.
Then I have tried for a long time the quotient criteria, i.e.,
$$limsup_{nrightarrow infty}frac{frac{(n+1)2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}}{frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}iff 2lim_{nrightarrow infty}frac{n+3^n}{n+1+3^{n+1}},.$$
Last I have tried Discrete Comparison Test. My idea comparing
$$frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}text{ vs }frac{1}{n},,text{ i.e. },frac{n^22^n}{n+3^n}text{ vs }1,.$$
I have seen the plots on WolframAlpha and I have seen that $n^22^n$ converges faster then $n+3^n$ therefore $frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}>frac{1}{n}$ for almost all $n$ therefore it diverges, but I am not sure whether one can argue like that. And how to prove that $n^22^n$ converges faster then $n+3^n$ formally.
Thanks for the support!
calculus sequences-and-series convergence limits-without-lhopital
calculus sequences-and-series convergence limits-without-lhopital
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It's l'Hôpital (or l'Hospital) by the way, the circumflex represents a lost consonant, in this case 's'.
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HINT:
Note that we have
$$0le frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}le nleft(frac23right)^n$$
Can you finish now?
If you want to apply the root test directly, then
$$begin{align}
lim_{nto infty}sqrt[n]{frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}&=frac23lim_{nto infty}left(frac{n^{1/n}}{left(1+frac n{3^n}right)^{1/n}}right)\\
&=frac23lim_{nto infty}left( n^{1/n}e^{-frac1n logleft(1+frac n{3^n}right)}right)
end{align}$$
Can you evaluate the limit $lim_{nto infty}frac{logleft(1+frac n{3^n}right)}{n}$?
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Thank you $n(frac{2}{3})^n$ is a convergent majorant.
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– RM777
Dec 15 '18 at 18:19
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You're welcome. My pleasure.
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– Mark Viola
Dec 15 '18 at 19:02
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We may use the ratio test.
Consider $$|dfrac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|=left|dfrac{dfrac{n2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}}{dfrac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}right|=left|dfrac{2(n+1)(n+3^n)}{n(n+1+3^{n+1}}right|$$
Taking the limit as $ntoinfty$, we see it approaches $2/3 lt 1$.
Therefore by ratio test, your series converges.
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We can also apply the ratio test to $n2^n/3^n,$ and then use the comparison test, as $0<a_n<n2^n/3^n$
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As an alternative by ratio test
$$frac{(n+1)2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}frac{3^n}{n2^n}=frac{2(n+1)}{n}frac{n+3^n}{n+1+3^{n+1}}to frac 23$$
and therefore the series converges.
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HINT:
Note that we have
$$0le frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}le nleft(frac23right)^n$$
Can you finish now?
If you want to apply the root test directly, then
$$begin{align}
lim_{nto infty}sqrt[n]{frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}&=frac23lim_{nto infty}left(frac{n^{1/n}}{left(1+frac n{3^n}right)^{1/n}}right)\\
&=frac23lim_{nto infty}left( n^{1/n}e^{-frac1n logleft(1+frac n{3^n}right)}right)
end{align}$$
Can you evaluate the limit $lim_{nto infty}frac{logleft(1+frac n{3^n}right)}{n}$?
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Thank you $n(frac{2}{3})^n$ is a convergent majorant.
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– RM777
Dec 15 '18 at 18:19
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You're welcome. My pleasure.
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– Mark Viola
Dec 15 '18 at 19:02
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HINT:
Note that we have
$$0le frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}le nleft(frac23right)^n$$
Can you finish now?
If you want to apply the root test directly, then
$$begin{align}
lim_{nto infty}sqrt[n]{frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}&=frac23lim_{nto infty}left(frac{n^{1/n}}{left(1+frac n{3^n}right)^{1/n}}right)\\
&=frac23lim_{nto infty}left( n^{1/n}e^{-frac1n logleft(1+frac n{3^n}right)}right)
end{align}$$
Can you evaluate the limit $lim_{nto infty}frac{logleft(1+frac n{3^n}right)}{n}$?
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Thank you $n(frac{2}{3})^n$ is a convergent majorant.
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– RM777
Dec 15 '18 at 18:19
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You're welcome. My pleasure.
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– Mark Viola
Dec 15 '18 at 19:02
add a comment |
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HINT:
Note that we have
$$0le frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}le nleft(frac23right)^n$$
Can you finish now?
If you want to apply the root test directly, then
$$begin{align}
lim_{nto infty}sqrt[n]{frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}&=frac23lim_{nto infty}left(frac{n^{1/n}}{left(1+frac n{3^n}right)^{1/n}}right)\\
&=frac23lim_{nto infty}left( n^{1/n}e^{-frac1n logleft(1+frac n{3^n}right)}right)
end{align}$$
Can you evaluate the limit $lim_{nto infty}frac{logleft(1+frac n{3^n}right)}{n}$?
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HINT:
Note that we have
$$0le frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}le nleft(frac23right)^n$$
Can you finish now?
If you want to apply the root test directly, then
$$begin{align}
lim_{nto infty}sqrt[n]{frac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}&=frac23lim_{nto infty}left(frac{n^{1/n}}{left(1+frac n{3^n}right)^{1/n}}right)\\
&=frac23lim_{nto infty}left( n^{1/n}e^{-frac1n logleft(1+frac n{3^n}right)}right)
end{align}$$
Can you evaluate the limit $lim_{nto infty}frac{logleft(1+frac n{3^n}right)}{n}$?
edited Dec 14 '18 at 20:51
answered Dec 14 '18 at 20:44
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Thank you $n(frac{2}{3})^n$ is a convergent majorant.
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– RM777
Dec 15 '18 at 18:19
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You're welcome. My pleasure.
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– Mark Viola
Dec 15 '18 at 19:02
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Thank you $n(frac{2}{3})^n$ is a convergent majorant.
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– RM777
Dec 15 '18 at 18:19
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You're welcome. My pleasure.
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– Mark Viola
Dec 15 '18 at 19:02
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Thank you $n(frac{2}{3})^n$ is a convergent majorant.
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– RM777
Dec 15 '18 at 18:19
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Thank you $n(frac{2}{3})^n$ is a convergent majorant.
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– RM777
Dec 15 '18 at 18:19
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You're welcome. My pleasure.
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– Mark Viola
Dec 15 '18 at 19:02
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You're welcome. My pleasure.
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– Mark Viola
Dec 15 '18 at 19:02
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We may use the ratio test.
Consider $$|dfrac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|=left|dfrac{dfrac{n2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}}{dfrac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}right|=left|dfrac{2(n+1)(n+3^n)}{n(n+1+3^{n+1}}right|$$
Taking the limit as $ntoinfty$, we see it approaches $2/3 lt 1$.
Therefore by ratio test, your series converges.
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We can also apply the ratio test to $n2^n/3^n,$ and then use the comparison test, as $0<a_n<n2^n/3^n$
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– DanielWainfleet
Dec 15 '18 at 4:49
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We may use the ratio test.
Consider $$|dfrac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|=left|dfrac{dfrac{n2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}}{dfrac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}right|=left|dfrac{2(n+1)(n+3^n)}{n(n+1+3^{n+1}}right|$$
Taking the limit as $ntoinfty$, we see it approaches $2/3 lt 1$.
Therefore by ratio test, your series converges.
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$begingroup$
We can also apply the ratio test to $n2^n/3^n,$ and then use the comparison test, as $0<a_n<n2^n/3^n$
$endgroup$
– DanielWainfleet
Dec 15 '18 at 4:49
add a comment |
$begingroup$
We may use the ratio test.
Consider $$|dfrac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|=left|dfrac{dfrac{n2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}}{dfrac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}right|=left|dfrac{2(n+1)(n+3^n)}{n(n+1+3^{n+1}}right|$$
Taking the limit as $ntoinfty$, we see it approaches $2/3 lt 1$.
Therefore by ratio test, your series converges.
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We may use the ratio test.
Consider $$|dfrac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}|=left|dfrac{dfrac{n2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}}{dfrac{n2^n}{n+3^n}}right|=left|dfrac{2(n+1)(n+3^n)}{n(n+1+3^{n+1}}right|$$
Taking the limit as $ntoinfty$, we see it approaches $2/3 lt 1$.
Therefore by ratio test, your series converges.
answered Dec 14 '18 at 21:01
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We can also apply the ratio test to $n2^n/3^n,$ and then use the comparison test, as $0<a_n<n2^n/3^n$
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– DanielWainfleet
Dec 15 '18 at 4:49
add a comment |
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We can also apply the ratio test to $n2^n/3^n,$ and then use the comparison test, as $0<a_n<n2^n/3^n$
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– DanielWainfleet
Dec 15 '18 at 4:49
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We can also apply the ratio test to $n2^n/3^n,$ and then use the comparison test, as $0<a_n<n2^n/3^n$
$endgroup$
– DanielWainfleet
Dec 15 '18 at 4:49
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We can also apply the ratio test to $n2^n/3^n,$ and then use the comparison test, as $0<a_n<n2^n/3^n$
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– DanielWainfleet
Dec 15 '18 at 4:49
add a comment |
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As an alternative by ratio test
$$frac{(n+1)2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}frac{3^n}{n2^n}=frac{2(n+1)}{n}frac{n+3^n}{n+1+3^{n+1}}to frac 23$$
and therefore the series converges.
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As an alternative by ratio test
$$frac{(n+1)2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}frac{3^n}{n2^n}=frac{2(n+1)}{n}frac{n+3^n}{n+1+3^{n+1}}to frac 23$$
and therefore the series converges.
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$begingroup$
As an alternative by ratio test
$$frac{(n+1)2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}frac{3^n}{n2^n}=frac{2(n+1)}{n}frac{n+3^n}{n+1+3^{n+1}}to frac 23$$
and therefore the series converges.
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As an alternative by ratio test
$$frac{(n+1)2^{n+1}}{n+1+3^{n+1}}frac{3^n}{n2^n}=frac{2(n+1)}{n}frac{n+3^n}{n+1+3^{n+1}}to frac 23$$
and therefore the series converges.
edited Dec 15 '18 at 0:06
answered Dec 14 '18 at 21:01
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