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Five circles (1 of radius c, 2 of radius b, and 2 of radius a) are inscribed in a segment of a larger circle (note: this segment does not have to be a semi-circle). Given a and b, find c. For example, if a = 72 and b = 32, find c.



Spoiler for answer to a = 72 and b = 32:




c = 25




Spoiler for general formula:




$c = frac{a(sqrt{a} + sqrt{b})^2}{4(3b + sqrt{ab} )}$




I was able to solve the problem by using a computer algebra system to solve a system of nonlinear equations, but the result I got was not as pretty as the above solution, and it wasn't clear how to reduce it to the above formula. I also tried circle inversion using the tangent of circles A and B as the point of inversion but the equations quickly grew unwieldy. Is there a good way to tackle this problem that arrives at the above formula?










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  • To give some background, this problem comes from the book "Sacred Mathematics: Japanese Temple Geometry" by Fukagawa and Rothman. Original problem is from the sangaku of the Syosya temple and was proposed by Sawa Masayoshi in 1821.
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I'm having difficulties with this Sangaku problem and was hoping for some help!





Five circles (1 of radius c, 2 of radius b, and 2 of radius a) are inscribed in a segment of a larger circle (note: this segment does not have to be a semi-circle). Given a and b, find c. For example, if a = 72 and b = 32, find c.



Spoiler for answer to a = 72 and b = 32:




c = 25




Spoiler for general formula:




$c = frac{a(sqrt{a} + sqrt{b})^2}{4(3b + sqrt{ab} )}$




I was able to solve the problem by using a computer algebra system to solve a system of nonlinear equations, but the result I got was not as pretty as the above solution, and it wasn't clear how to reduce it to the above formula. I also tried circle inversion using the tangent of circles A and B as the point of inversion but the equations quickly grew unwieldy. Is there a good way to tackle this problem that arrives at the above formula?










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  • To give some background, this problem comes from the book "Sacred Mathematics: Japanese Temple Geometry" by Fukagawa and Rothman. Original problem is from the sangaku of the Syosya temple and was proposed by Sawa Masayoshi in 1821.
    – user1301930
    Feb 16 at 3:47













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I'm having difficulties with this Sangaku problem and was hoping for some help!





Five circles (1 of radius c, 2 of radius b, and 2 of radius a) are inscribed in a segment of a larger circle (note: this segment does not have to be a semi-circle). Given a and b, find c. For example, if a = 72 and b = 32, find c.



Spoiler for answer to a = 72 and b = 32:




c = 25




Spoiler for general formula:




$c = frac{a(sqrt{a} + sqrt{b})^2}{4(3b + sqrt{ab} )}$




I was able to solve the problem by using a computer algebra system to solve a system of nonlinear equations, but the result I got was not as pretty as the above solution, and it wasn't clear how to reduce it to the above formula. I also tried circle inversion using the tangent of circles A and B as the point of inversion but the equations quickly grew unwieldy. Is there a good way to tackle this problem that arrives at the above formula?










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I'm having difficulties with this Sangaku problem and was hoping for some help!





Five circles (1 of radius c, 2 of radius b, and 2 of radius a) are inscribed in a segment of a larger circle (note: this segment does not have to be a semi-circle). Given a and b, find c. For example, if a = 72 and b = 32, find c.



Spoiler for answer to a = 72 and b = 32:




c = 25




Spoiler for general formula:




$c = frac{a(sqrt{a} + sqrt{b})^2}{4(3b + sqrt{ab} )}$




I was able to solve the problem by using a computer algebra system to solve a system of nonlinear equations, but the result I got was not as pretty as the above solution, and it wasn't clear how to reduce it to the above formula. I also tried circle inversion using the tangent of circles A and B as the point of inversion but the equations quickly grew unwieldy. Is there a good way to tackle this problem that arrives at the above formula?







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  • To give some background, this problem comes from the book "Sacred Mathematics: Japanese Temple Geometry" by Fukagawa and Rothman. Original problem is from the sangaku of the Syosya temple and was proposed by Sawa Masayoshi in 1821.
    – user1301930
    Feb 16 at 3:47


















  • To give some background, this problem comes from the book "Sacred Mathematics: Japanese Temple Geometry" by Fukagawa and Rothman. Original problem is from the sangaku of the Syosya temple and was proposed by Sawa Masayoshi in 1821.
    – user1301930
    Feb 16 at 3:47
















To give some background, this problem comes from the book "Sacred Mathematics: Japanese Temple Geometry" by Fukagawa and Rothman. Original problem is from the sangaku of the Syosya temple and was proposed by Sawa Masayoshi in 1821.
– user1301930
Feb 16 at 3:47




To give some background, this problem comes from the book "Sacred Mathematics: Japanese Temple Geometry" by Fukagawa and Rothman. Original problem is from the sangaku of the Syosya temple and was proposed by Sawa Masayoshi in 1821.
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Got the answer... Brutally... Took about 1 hour work and a page of letter size by hand. It at least seemed to me that using inversion did not make things simpler... But maybe someone can work this out?



Anyway this is what I did. Suppose that $a < 9b$. (Need to check what should be corrected if $a > 9b$).



Step 1: Compute $l$.



enter image description here



See there is a right triangle. By the Pythagorean theorem,



$$
l^2 = (a+b)^2 - (a-b)^2 quad Rightarrow quad l = 2sqrt{ab}.
$$



Step 2: Compute $d$. This is the bloody part.



enter image description here



If the radius of the giant circle is $R$, the two segments connecting the centers should be of length $R-a$ and $R-b$, respectively. Use two Pythagorean theorem to calculate their length gives the equation



$$
a - b = sqrt{(d+b)^2 + (a+2sqrt{ab})^2} - sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2}.
$$



Typically this involves squaring the equation twice. First, move the terms:



$$
sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a - b = sqrt{(d+b)^2 + (a+2sqrt{ab})^2}.
$$



Take square on both sides. Simplify it, YOLO!



$$
-a(sqrt a - 3sqrt b) - (sqrt a - sqrt b)d = (sqrt a - sqrt b)left(sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2}right)
$$



Take square another time. Observe that $d^2$ term cancelled and it is indeed a linear equation. Thank god...



$$
begin{aligned}
2(sqrt a - sqrt b)d(2sqrt b) &= a(-a - 2sqrt{ab} + 7b)\
d &= frac{a(-a - 2sqrt{ab} + 7b)}{4sqrt b (sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
end{aligned}
$$



Step 3: Compute $R$.



Well there is nothing interesting... $R = sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a$. One thing worth mentioning is that the formula $(m^2 - n^2)^2 + (2mn)^2 = (m^2+n^2)^2$. Here



$$
d+a = frac{-a(sqrt a - 3sqrt b)(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
$$



Using $m = sqrt a - sqrt b$, $n = 2sqrt b$, we get



$$
(d+a)^2 + a^2 = left(frac{a}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}right)^2(a - 2sqrt{ab} + 5b)^2.
$$



Therefore,



$$
R = sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)^2}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
$$



Step 4: Compute $c$.



enter image description here



Using the Pythagorean theorem on the right triangle shown above, we have



$$
(a+c)^2 = a^2 + (R-a-d-c)^2.
$$



As



$$
R-a-d = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{2sqrt b},
$$



we get the equation



$$
2ac + c^2 = left(frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{2sqrt b} - cright)^2.
$$



Finally,



$$
c = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)^2}{4sqrt b(sqrt a + 3sqrt b)}.
$$






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  • Wow! Great job. I took a similar approach but got lost in the forest. Amazing that such a nice formula comes out of such painstaking calculations.
    – user1301930
    Feb 16 at 3:43










  • Fun fact: for a given $b$, the radius of the outer circle (that bounds the other five circles) is minimized when $a/b={left(frac{3+sqrt{33}}{6}right)}^2approx2.1241$.
    – Ant
    Feb 16 at 6:01










  • What did you use to draw the pictures?
    – fredgoodman
    Feb 16 at 16:22










  • Thank you. As the formula is not so complicated, I would be very excited but not too surprised to see an elegant solution. The pictures are drawn by geogebra: geogebra.org/graphing
    – Hw Chu
    Feb 16 at 16:51











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Got the answer... Brutally... Took about 1 hour work and a page of letter size by hand. It at least seemed to me that using inversion did not make things simpler... But maybe someone can work this out?



Anyway this is what I did. Suppose that $a < 9b$. (Need to check what should be corrected if $a > 9b$).



Step 1: Compute $l$.



enter image description here



See there is a right triangle. By the Pythagorean theorem,



$$
l^2 = (a+b)^2 - (a-b)^2 quad Rightarrow quad l = 2sqrt{ab}.
$$



Step 2: Compute $d$. This is the bloody part.



enter image description here



If the radius of the giant circle is $R$, the two segments connecting the centers should be of length $R-a$ and $R-b$, respectively. Use two Pythagorean theorem to calculate their length gives the equation



$$
a - b = sqrt{(d+b)^2 + (a+2sqrt{ab})^2} - sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2}.
$$



Typically this involves squaring the equation twice. First, move the terms:



$$
sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a - b = sqrt{(d+b)^2 + (a+2sqrt{ab})^2}.
$$



Take square on both sides. Simplify it, YOLO!



$$
-a(sqrt a - 3sqrt b) - (sqrt a - sqrt b)d = (sqrt a - sqrt b)left(sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2}right)
$$



Take square another time. Observe that $d^2$ term cancelled and it is indeed a linear equation. Thank god...



$$
begin{aligned}
2(sqrt a - sqrt b)d(2sqrt b) &= a(-a - 2sqrt{ab} + 7b)\
d &= frac{a(-a - 2sqrt{ab} + 7b)}{4sqrt b (sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
end{aligned}
$$



Step 3: Compute $R$.



Well there is nothing interesting... $R = sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a$. One thing worth mentioning is that the formula $(m^2 - n^2)^2 + (2mn)^2 = (m^2+n^2)^2$. Here



$$
d+a = frac{-a(sqrt a - 3sqrt b)(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
$$



Using $m = sqrt a - sqrt b$, $n = 2sqrt b$, we get



$$
(d+a)^2 + a^2 = left(frac{a}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}right)^2(a - 2sqrt{ab} + 5b)^2.
$$



Therefore,



$$
R = sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)^2}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
$$



Step 4: Compute $c$.



enter image description here



Using the Pythagorean theorem on the right triangle shown above, we have



$$
(a+c)^2 = a^2 + (R-a-d-c)^2.
$$



As



$$
R-a-d = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{2sqrt b},
$$



we get the equation



$$
2ac + c^2 = left(frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{2sqrt b} - cright)^2.
$$



Finally,



$$
c = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)^2}{4sqrt b(sqrt a + 3sqrt b)}.
$$






share|cite|improve this answer























  • Wow! Great job. I took a similar approach but got lost in the forest. Amazing that such a nice formula comes out of such painstaking calculations.
    – user1301930
    Feb 16 at 3:43










  • Fun fact: for a given $b$, the radius of the outer circle (that bounds the other five circles) is minimized when $a/b={left(frac{3+sqrt{33}}{6}right)}^2approx2.1241$.
    – Ant
    Feb 16 at 6:01










  • What did you use to draw the pictures?
    – fredgoodman
    Feb 16 at 16:22










  • Thank you. As the formula is not so complicated, I would be very excited but not too surprised to see an elegant solution. The pictures are drawn by geogebra: geogebra.org/graphing
    – Hw Chu
    Feb 16 at 16:51















up vote
3
down vote



accepted










Got the answer... Brutally... Took about 1 hour work and a page of letter size by hand. It at least seemed to me that using inversion did not make things simpler... But maybe someone can work this out?



Anyway this is what I did. Suppose that $a < 9b$. (Need to check what should be corrected if $a > 9b$).



Step 1: Compute $l$.



enter image description here



See there is a right triangle. By the Pythagorean theorem,



$$
l^2 = (a+b)^2 - (a-b)^2 quad Rightarrow quad l = 2sqrt{ab}.
$$



Step 2: Compute $d$. This is the bloody part.



enter image description here



If the radius of the giant circle is $R$, the two segments connecting the centers should be of length $R-a$ and $R-b$, respectively. Use two Pythagorean theorem to calculate their length gives the equation



$$
a - b = sqrt{(d+b)^2 + (a+2sqrt{ab})^2} - sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2}.
$$



Typically this involves squaring the equation twice. First, move the terms:



$$
sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a - b = sqrt{(d+b)^2 + (a+2sqrt{ab})^2}.
$$



Take square on both sides. Simplify it, YOLO!



$$
-a(sqrt a - 3sqrt b) - (sqrt a - sqrt b)d = (sqrt a - sqrt b)left(sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2}right)
$$



Take square another time. Observe that $d^2$ term cancelled and it is indeed a linear equation. Thank god...



$$
begin{aligned}
2(sqrt a - sqrt b)d(2sqrt b) &= a(-a - 2sqrt{ab} + 7b)\
d &= frac{a(-a - 2sqrt{ab} + 7b)}{4sqrt b (sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
end{aligned}
$$



Step 3: Compute $R$.



Well there is nothing interesting... $R = sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a$. One thing worth mentioning is that the formula $(m^2 - n^2)^2 + (2mn)^2 = (m^2+n^2)^2$. Here



$$
d+a = frac{-a(sqrt a - 3sqrt b)(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
$$



Using $m = sqrt a - sqrt b$, $n = 2sqrt b$, we get



$$
(d+a)^2 + a^2 = left(frac{a}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}right)^2(a - 2sqrt{ab} + 5b)^2.
$$



Therefore,



$$
R = sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)^2}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
$$



Step 4: Compute $c$.



enter image description here



Using the Pythagorean theorem on the right triangle shown above, we have



$$
(a+c)^2 = a^2 + (R-a-d-c)^2.
$$



As



$$
R-a-d = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{2sqrt b},
$$



we get the equation



$$
2ac + c^2 = left(frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{2sqrt b} - cright)^2.
$$



Finally,



$$
c = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)^2}{4sqrt b(sqrt a + 3sqrt b)}.
$$






share|cite|improve this answer























  • Wow! Great job. I took a similar approach but got lost in the forest. Amazing that such a nice formula comes out of such painstaking calculations.
    – user1301930
    Feb 16 at 3:43










  • Fun fact: for a given $b$, the radius of the outer circle (that bounds the other five circles) is minimized when $a/b={left(frac{3+sqrt{33}}{6}right)}^2approx2.1241$.
    – Ant
    Feb 16 at 6:01










  • What did you use to draw the pictures?
    – fredgoodman
    Feb 16 at 16:22










  • Thank you. As the formula is not so complicated, I would be very excited but not too surprised to see an elegant solution. The pictures are drawn by geogebra: geogebra.org/graphing
    – Hw Chu
    Feb 16 at 16:51













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Got the answer... Brutally... Took about 1 hour work and a page of letter size by hand. It at least seemed to me that using inversion did not make things simpler... But maybe someone can work this out?



Anyway this is what I did. Suppose that $a < 9b$. (Need to check what should be corrected if $a > 9b$).



Step 1: Compute $l$.



enter image description here



See there is a right triangle. By the Pythagorean theorem,



$$
l^2 = (a+b)^2 - (a-b)^2 quad Rightarrow quad l = 2sqrt{ab}.
$$



Step 2: Compute $d$. This is the bloody part.



enter image description here



If the radius of the giant circle is $R$, the two segments connecting the centers should be of length $R-a$ and $R-b$, respectively. Use two Pythagorean theorem to calculate their length gives the equation



$$
a - b = sqrt{(d+b)^2 + (a+2sqrt{ab})^2} - sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2}.
$$



Typically this involves squaring the equation twice. First, move the terms:



$$
sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a - b = sqrt{(d+b)^2 + (a+2sqrt{ab})^2}.
$$



Take square on both sides. Simplify it, YOLO!



$$
-a(sqrt a - 3sqrt b) - (sqrt a - sqrt b)d = (sqrt a - sqrt b)left(sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2}right)
$$



Take square another time. Observe that $d^2$ term cancelled and it is indeed a linear equation. Thank god...



$$
begin{aligned}
2(sqrt a - sqrt b)d(2sqrt b) &= a(-a - 2sqrt{ab} + 7b)\
d &= frac{a(-a - 2sqrt{ab} + 7b)}{4sqrt b (sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
end{aligned}
$$



Step 3: Compute $R$.



Well there is nothing interesting... $R = sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a$. One thing worth mentioning is that the formula $(m^2 - n^2)^2 + (2mn)^2 = (m^2+n^2)^2$. Here



$$
d+a = frac{-a(sqrt a - 3sqrt b)(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
$$



Using $m = sqrt a - sqrt b$, $n = 2sqrt b$, we get



$$
(d+a)^2 + a^2 = left(frac{a}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}right)^2(a - 2sqrt{ab} + 5b)^2.
$$



Therefore,



$$
R = sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)^2}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
$$



Step 4: Compute $c$.



enter image description here



Using the Pythagorean theorem on the right triangle shown above, we have



$$
(a+c)^2 = a^2 + (R-a-d-c)^2.
$$



As



$$
R-a-d = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{2sqrt b},
$$



we get the equation



$$
2ac + c^2 = left(frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{2sqrt b} - cright)^2.
$$



Finally,



$$
c = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)^2}{4sqrt b(sqrt a + 3sqrt b)}.
$$






share|cite|improve this answer














Got the answer... Brutally... Took about 1 hour work and a page of letter size by hand. It at least seemed to me that using inversion did not make things simpler... But maybe someone can work this out?



Anyway this is what I did. Suppose that $a < 9b$. (Need to check what should be corrected if $a > 9b$).



Step 1: Compute $l$.



enter image description here



See there is a right triangle. By the Pythagorean theorem,



$$
l^2 = (a+b)^2 - (a-b)^2 quad Rightarrow quad l = 2sqrt{ab}.
$$



Step 2: Compute $d$. This is the bloody part.



enter image description here



If the radius of the giant circle is $R$, the two segments connecting the centers should be of length $R-a$ and $R-b$, respectively. Use two Pythagorean theorem to calculate their length gives the equation



$$
a - b = sqrt{(d+b)^2 + (a+2sqrt{ab})^2} - sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2}.
$$



Typically this involves squaring the equation twice. First, move the terms:



$$
sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a - b = sqrt{(d+b)^2 + (a+2sqrt{ab})^2}.
$$



Take square on both sides. Simplify it, YOLO!



$$
-a(sqrt a - 3sqrt b) - (sqrt a - sqrt b)d = (sqrt a - sqrt b)left(sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2}right)
$$



Take square another time. Observe that $d^2$ term cancelled and it is indeed a linear equation. Thank god...



$$
begin{aligned}
2(sqrt a - sqrt b)d(2sqrt b) &= a(-a - 2sqrt{ab} + 7b)\
d &= frac{a(-a - 2sqrt{ab} + 7b)}{4sqrt b (sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
end{aligned}
$$



Step 3: Compute $R$.



Well there is nothing interesting... $R = sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a$. One thing worth mentioning is that the formula $(m^2 - n^2)^2 + (2mn)^2 = (m^2+n^2)^2$. Here



$$
d+a = frac{-a(sqrt a - 3sqrt b)(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
$$



Using $m = sqrt a - sqrt b$, $n = 2sqrt b$, we get



$$
(d+a)^2 + a^2 = left(frac{a}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}right)^2(a - 2sqrt{ab} + 5b)^2.
$$



Therefore,



$$
R = sqrt{(d+a)^2 + a^2} + a = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)^2}{4sqrt b(sqrt a - sqrt b)}.
$$



Step 4: Compute $c$.



enter image description here



Using the Pythagorean theorem on the right triangle shown above, we have



$$
(a+c)^2 = a^2 + (R-a-d-c)^2.
$$



As



$$
R-a-d = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{2sqrt b},
$$



we get the equation



$$
2ac + c^2 = left(frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)}{2sqrt b} - cright)^2.
$$



Finally,



$$
c = frac{a(sqrt a + sqrt b)^2}{4sqrt b(sqrt a + 3sqrt b)}.
$$







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  • Wow! Great job. I took a similar approach but got lost in the forest. Amazing that such a nice formula comes out of such painstaking calculations.
    – user1301930
    Feb 16 at 3:43










  • Fun fact: for a given $b$, the radius of the outer circle (that bounds the other five circles) is minimized when $a/b={left(frac{3+sqrt{33}}{6}right)}^2approx2.1241$.
    – Ant
    Feb 16 at 6:01










  • What did you use to draw the pictures?
    – fredgoodman
    Feb 16 at 16:22










  • Thank you. As the formula is not so complicated, I would be very excited but not too surprised to see an elegant solution. The pictures are drawn by geogebra: geogebra.org/graphing
    – Hw Chu
    Feb 16 at 16:51


















  • Wow! Great job. I took a similar approach but got lost in the forest. Amazing that such a nice formula comes out of such painstaking calculations.
    – user1301930
    Feb 16 at 3:43










  • Fun fact: for a given $b$, the radius of the outer circle (that bounds the other five circles) is minimized when $a/b={left(frac{3+sqrt{33}}{6}right)}^2approx2.1241$.
    – Ant
    Feb 16 at 6:01










  • What did you use to draw the pictures?
    – fredgoodman
    Feb 16 at 16:22










  • Thank you. As the formula is not so complicated, I would be very excited but not too surprised to see an elegant solution. The pictures are drawn by geogebra: geogebra.org/graphing
    – Hw Chu
    Feb 16 at 16:51
















Wow! Great job. I took a similar approach but got lost in the forest. Amazing that such a nice formula comes out of such painstaking calculations.
– user1301930
Feb 16 at 3:43




Wow! Great job. I took a similar approach but got lost in the forest. Amazing that such a nice formula comes out of such painstaking calculations.
– user1301930
Feb 16 at 3:43












Fun fact: for a given $b$, the radius of the outer circle (that bounds the other five circles) is minimized when $a/b={left(frac{3+sqrt{33}}{6}right)}^2approx2.1241$.
– Ant
Feb 16 at 6:01




Fun fact: for a given $b$, the radius of the outer circle (that bounds the other five circles) is minimized when $a/b={left(frac{3+sqrt{33}}{6}right)}^2approx2.1241$.
– Ant
Feb 16 at 6:01












What did you use to draw the pictures?
– fredgoodman
Feb 16 at 16:22




What did you use to draw the pictures?
– fredgoodman
Feb 16 at 16:22












Thank you. As the formula is not so complicated, I would be very excited but not too surprised to see an elegant solution. The pictures are drawn by geogebra: geogebra.org/graphing
– Hw Chu
Feb 16 at 16:51




Thank you. As the formula is not so complicated, I would be very excited but not too surprised to see an elegant solution. The pictures are drawn by geogebra: geogebra.org/graphing
– Hw Chu
Feb 16 at 16:51


















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