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Prove that if $displaystylebinom{n}{k}$ = $displaystylebinom{n}{k+1}$, then $n$ must be odd.




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Prove that if $displaystylebinom{n}{k}$ = $displaystylebinom{n}{k+1}$, then $n$ must be odd.




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Prove that if $displaystylebinom{n}{k}$ = $displaystylebinom{n}{k+1}$, then $n$ must be odd.




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Prove that if $displaystylebinom{n}{k}$ = $displaystylebinom{n}{k+1}$, then $n$ must be odd.




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$${n choose k} = {n choose k+1}$$



$$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-(k+1))!}$$



$$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!}$$



$$k!(n-k)! = (k+1)!(n-k-1)!$$



Here, you have some important simplifications. Note that



$$(k+1)! = (k+1)k!$$



and



$$(n-k)! = (n-k)(n-k-1)!$$



so you get



$$k!(n-k)(n-k-1)! = (k+1)k!(n-k-1)!$$



$$n-k = k+1 implies n = 2k+1$$



By definition, $2k+1$ is odd for all $k in mathbb{Z}$.






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    Thank you, this really helped!
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    Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
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What I give below is not exactly a proof. But I hope it would give an understanding of what happens.



Note that ${nchoose k} ={nchoose n-k}$. For a fixed $n$, if we are interested in distinct values we should limit values of $k$ upto $n/2$.



Under this limit the binomial coefficient values steadily increase and reaching a maximum at $k= n/2$, if $n$ is even, and $k=(n-1)/2$ for odd $n$. And for $k>n/2$ the binomial coefficients repeat in the reverse order.



The condition ${nchoose k}={nchoose k+1}$ is possible only because $k+1$ crossed the halfway limit for distinctness. So $k+1= n-k$. This shows $n=2k+1$, hence it is odd.






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    Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
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    @farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
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    @MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
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    @farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
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    @MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
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Remember that $displaystylebinom{n}{k}=frac{n!}{k! (n-k)!}$.






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    ${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} implies$



    $frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac {n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!} implies$



    $frac {n!}{k!(n-k-1)!(n-k-1)} = frac {n!}{k!(k+1)(n-k-1)!}implies$



    $n-k -1 = k implies$



    $n = 2k +1$



    A stronger result. Not just any odd; specifically $2k+1$.



    ....



    Also notice: For all $0le k le n$ it is always true that:



    ${n choose k} = frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} =frac {n!}{(n-(n-k))!(n-k)!} = {nchoose n-k}$.



    That's always true.



    In the same way way as above we can prove that:



    For any $a ne b$ that ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff b = n-a iff a=n-b$.



    Pf: Wolog, assume $a < b$. (If $b < a$ we do the same thing but with the terms reversed).



    ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff$



    $frac {n!}{a!(n-a)!} = frac{n!}{b!(n-b)!} iff$



    $a!(n-a)! = b!(n-b)! iff$



    $a!(n-b)!(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = a!(a+1)(a+2)..b(n-b)! iff$



    $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..b$.



    If $n-b < a$ then $n-b + i < a + i$ for all $i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) < (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.



    If $n-b > a$ then $n-b + i > a+i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) > (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.



    So $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..biff n-b =a iff a=n-b$.



    ....



    So now we have a much stronger result with which we can show:



    ${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} iff n-k = k+1 iff n = 2k+1$.






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    Let $k$ be a nonnegative integer. By definition,
    $$binom xk=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)}{k!}tag1$$
    (note that $x$ does not have to be an integer) and so
    $$binom x{k+1}=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)(x-k)}{(k+1)!}=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}.tag2$$
    The equation
    $$binom xk=binom x{k+1}tag3$$
    is a polynomial equation of degree $k+1$, so it has $k+1$ solutions. In view of $(2)$, we can rewrite $(3)$ as
    $$binom xk=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}tag4$$
    which holds when $binom xk=0$ or $frac{x-k}{k+1}=1$, that is, the solutions are
    $$x=0, 1, dots, k-1, 2k+1.tag5$$
    That is, if $binom xk=binom x{k+1}$, and if $xne0,1,dots,k-1$, then $x=2k+1$, an odd integer.






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      $${n choose k} = {n choose k+1}$$



      $$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-(k+1))!}$$



      $$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!}$$



      $$k!(n-k)! = (k+1)!(n-k-1)!$$



      Here, you have some important simplifications. Note that



      $$(k+1)! = (k+1)k!$$



      and



      $$(n-k)! = (n-k)(n-k-1)!$$



      so you get



      $$k!(n-k)(n-k-1)! = (k+1)k!(n-k-1)!$$



      $$n-k = k+1 implies n = 2k+1$$



      By definition, $2k+1$ is odd for all $k in mathbb{Z}$.






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        Thank you, this really helped!
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        Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
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      $${n choose k} = {n choose k+1}$$



      $$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-(k+1))!}$$



      $$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!}$$



      $$k!(n-k)! = (k+1)!(n-k-1)!$$



      Here, you have some important simplifications. Note that



      $$(k+1)! = (k+1)k!$$



      and



      $$(n-k)! = (n-k)(n-k-1)!$$



      so you get



      $$k!(n-k)(n-k-1)! = (k+1)k!(n-k-1)!$$



      $$n-k = k+1 implies n = 2k+1$$



      By definition, $2k+1$ is odd for all $k in mathbb{Z}$.






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        Thank you, this really helped!
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        Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
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      $${n choose k} = {n choose k+1}$$



      $$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-(k+1))!}$$



      $$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!}$$



      $$k!(n-k)! = (k+1)!(n-k-1)!$$



      Here, you have some important simplifications. Note that



      $$(k+1)! = (k+1)k!$$



      and



      $$(n-k)! = (n-k)(n-k-1)!$$



      so you get



      $$k!(n-k)(n-k-1)! = (k+1)k!(n-k-1)!$$



      $$n-k = k+1 implies n = 2k+1$$



      By definition, $2k+1$ is odd for all $k in mathbb{Z}$.






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      $${n choose k} = {n choose k+1}$$



      $$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-(k+1))!}$$



      $$frac{n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac{n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!}$$



      $$k!(n-k)! = (k+1)!(n-k-1)!$$



      Here, you have some important simplifications. Note that



      $$(k+1)! = (k+1)k!$$



      and



      $$(n-k)! = (n-k)(n-k-1)!$$



      so you get



      $$k!(n-k)(n-k-1)! = (k+1)k!(n-k-1)!$$



      $$n-k = k+1 implies n = 2k+1$$



      By definition, $2k+1$ is odd for all $k in mathbb{Z}$.







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        Thank you, this really helped!
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        Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
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        Thank you, this really helped!
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        Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
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      Thank you, this really helped!
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      Thank you, this really helped!
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      Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
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      Glad to have helped! As a tip, always recall that for $a neq b$, ${n choose a} = {n choose b} iff a+b = n$. (The method of proving that is the same as the one here.) You can notice many patterns because of this, such as ${n choose k} = {n choose k+1} implies n = 2k+1$.
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      What I give below is not exactly a proof. But I hope it would give an understanding of what happens.



      Note that ${nchoose k} ={nchoose n-k}$. For a fixed $n$, if we are interested in distinct values we should limit values of $k$ upto $n/2$.



      Under this limit the binomial coefficient values steadily increase and reaching a maximum at $k= n/2$, if $n$ is even, and $k=(n-1)/2$ for odd $n$. And for $k>n/2$ the binomial coefficients repeat in the reverse order.



      The condition ${nchoose k}={nchoose k+1}$ is possible only because $k+1$ crossed the halfway limit for distinctness. So $k+1= n-k$. This shows $n=2k+1$, hence it is odd.






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        Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
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        @farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
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        @MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
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        @farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
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        @MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
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      What I give below is not exactly a proof. But I hope it would give an understanding of what happens.



      Note that ${nchoose k} ={nchoose n-k}$. For a fixed $n$, if we are interested in distinct values we should limit values of $k$ upto $n/2$.



      Under this limit the binomial coefficient values steadily increase and reaching a maximum at $k= n/2$, if $n$ is even, and $k=(n-1)/2$ for odd $n$. And for $k>n/2$ the binomial coefficients repeat in the reverse order.



      The condition ${nchoose k}={nchoose k+1}$ is possible only because $k+1$ crossed the halfway limit for distinctness. So $k+1= n-k$. This shows $n=2k+1$, hence it is odd.






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        Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
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        @farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
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        @MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
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        – farruhota
        Dec 2 '18 at 5:53










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        @farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
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        – Misha Lavrov
        Dec 2 '18 at 5:54










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        @MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
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      What I give below is not exactly a proof. But I hope it would give an understanding of what happens.



      Note that ${nchoose k} ={nchoose n-k}$. For a fixed $n$, if we are interested in distinct values we should limit values of $k$ upto $n/2$.



      Under this limit the binomial coefficient values steadily increase and reaching a maximum at $k= n/2$, if $n$ is even, and $k=(n-1)/2$ for odd $n$. And for $k>n/2$ the binomial coefficients repeat in the reverse order.



      The condition ${nchoose k}={nchoose k+1}$ is possible only because $k+1$ crossed the halfway limit for distinctness. So $k+1= n-k$. This shows $n=2k+1$, hence it is odd.






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      What I give below is not exactly a proof. But I hope it would give an understanding of what happens.



      Note that ${nchoose k} ={nchoose n-k}$. For a fixed $n$, if we are interested in distinct values we should limit values of $k$ upto $n/2$.



      Under this limit the binomial coefficient values steadily increase and reaching a maximum at $k= n/2$, if $n$ is even, and $k=(n-1)/2$ for odd $n$. And for $k>n/2$ the binomial coefficients repeat in the reverse order.



      The condition ${nchoose k}={nchoose k+1}$ is possible only because $k+1$ crossed the halfway limit for distinctness. So $k+1= n-k$. This shows $n=2k+1$, hence it is odd.







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        Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
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        @farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
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        @MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
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        Dec 2 '18 at 5:53










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        @farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
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        @MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
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      • $begingroup$
        Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
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        – farruhota
        Dec 2 '18 at 4:43












      • $begingroup$
        @farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
        $endgroup$
        – Misha Lavrov
        Dec 2 '18 at 5:47










      • $begingroup$
        @MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
        $endgroup$
        – farruhota
        Dec 2 '18 at 5:53










      • $begingroup$
        @farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
        $endgroup$
        – Misha Lavrov
        Dec 2 '18 at 5:54










      • $begingroup$
        @MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
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        – farruhota
        Dec 2 '18 at 6:14
















      $begingroup$
      Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
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      – farruhota
      Dec 2 '18 at 4:43






      $begingroup$
      Good method (+1). However, it is not necessary to discuss the halfway point. We can use the symmetry rule of binomial coefficients ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}$ and state ${nchoose n-k}={nchoose k+1}Rightarrow n-k=k+1 Rightarrow n=2k+1$, which is odd.
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      – farruhota
      Dec 2 '18 at 4:43














      $begingroup$
      @farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
      $endgroup$
      – Misha Lavrov
      Dec 2 '18 at 5:47




      $begingroup$
      @farruhota The symmetry rule is only enough if you also know that no other pairs of binomial coefficients with the same top index are equal, which requires some discussion of when the values increase and when they decrease.
      $endgroup$
      – Misha Lavrov
      Dec 2 '18 at 5:47












      $begingroup$
      @MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
      $endgroup$
      – farruhota
      Dec 2 '18 at 5:53




      $begingroup$
      @MishaLavrov, do you mean ${nchoose k}={nchoose n-k}={nchoose m}$ could happen where $mne k$ and $m ne n-k$?
      $endgroup$
      – farruhota
      Dec 2 '18 at 5:53












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      @farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
      $endgroup$
      – Misha Lavrov
      Dec 2 '18 at 5:54




      $begingroup$
      @farruhota Yes, or rather I mean that we need to rule out the possibility of it happening.
      $endgroup$
      – Misha Lavrov
      Dec 2 '18 at 5:54












      $begingroup$
      @MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
      $endgroup$
      – farruhota
      Dec 2 '18 at 6:14




      $begingroup$
      @MichaLavrov, I don't think the above could happen, because ${nchoose k}equiv {nchoose n-k}$. It happens if and only if $m=k$ or $m=n-k$. Again, no increase/decrease is required, but only the use of the combination formula.
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      – farruhota
      Dec 2 '18 at 6:14











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      Remember that $displaystylebinom{n}{k}=frac{n!}{k! (n-k)!}$.






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        Remember that $displaystylebinom{n}{k}=frac{n!}{k! (n-k)!}$.






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          Remember that $displaystylebinom{n}{k}=frac{n!}{k! (n-k)!}$.






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          Remember that $displaystylebinom{n}{k}=frac{n!}{k! (n-k)!}$.







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              ${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} implies$



              $frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac {n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!} implies$



              $frac {n!}{k!(n-k-1)!(n-k-1)} = frac {n!}{k!(k+1)(n-k-1)!}implies$



              $n-k -1 = k implies$



              $n = 2k +1$



              A stronger result. Not just any odd; specifically $2k+1$.



              ....



              Also notice: For all $0le k le n$ it is always true that:



              ${n choose k} = frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} =frac {n!}{(n-(n-k))!(n-k)!} = {nchoose n-k}$.



              That's always true.



              In the same way way as above we can prove that:



              For any $a ne b$ that ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff b = n-a iff a=n-b$.



              Pf: Wolog, assume $a < b$. (If $b < a$ we do the same thing but with the terms reversed).



              ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff$



              $frac {n!}{a!(n-a)!} = frac{n!}{b!(n-b)!} iff$



              $a!(n-a)! = b!(n-b)! iff$



              $a!(n-b)!(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = a!(a+1)(a+2)..b(n-b)! iff$



              $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..b$.



              If $n-b < a$ then $n-b + i < a + i$ for all $i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) < (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.



              If $n-b > a$ then $n-b + i > a+i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) > (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.



              So $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..biff n-b =a iff a=n-b$.



              ....



              So now we have a much stronger result with which we can show:



              ${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} iff n-k = k+1 iff n = 2k+1$.






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              $begingroup$

              ${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} implies$



              $frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac {n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!} implies$



              $frac {n!}{k!(n-k-1)!(n-k-1)} = frac {n!}{k!(k+1)(n-k-1)!}implies$



              $n-k -1 = k implies$



              $n = 2k +1$



              A stronger result. Not just any odd; specifically $2k+1$.



              ....



              Also notice: For all $0le k le n$ it is always true that:



              ${n choose k} = frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} =frac {n!}{(n-(n-k))!(n-k)!} = {nchoose n-k}$.



              That's always true.



              In the same way way as above we can prove that:



              For any $a ne b$ that ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff b = n-a iff a=n-b$.



              Pf: Wolog, assume $a < b$. (If $b < a$ we do the same thing but with the terms reversed).



              ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff$



              $frac {n!}{a!(n-a)!} = frac{n!}{b!(n-b)!} iff$



              $a!(n-a)! = b!(n-b)! iff$



              $a!(n-b)!(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = a!(a+1)(a+2)..b(n-b)! iff$



              $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..b$.



              If $n-b < a$ then $n-b + i < a + i$ for all $i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) < (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.



              If $n-b > a$ then $n-b + i > a+i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) > (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.



              So $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..biff n-b =a iff a=n-b$.



              ....



              So now we have a much stronger result with which we can show:



              ${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} iff n-k = k+1 iff n = 2k+1$.






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              0












              0








              0





              $begingroup$

              ${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} implies$



              $frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac {n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!} implies$



              $frac {n!}{k!(n-k-1)!(n-k-1)} = frac {n!}{k!(k+1)(n-k-1)!}implies$



              $n-k -1 = k implies$



              $n = 2k +1$



              A stronger result. Not just any odd; specifically $2k+1$.



              ....



              Also notice: For all $0le k le n$ it is always true that:



              ${n choose k} = frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} =frac {n!}{(n-(n-k))!(n-k)!} = {nchoose n-k}$.



              That's always true.



              In the same way way as above we can prove that:



              For any $a ne b$ that ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff b = n-a iff a=n-b$.



              Pf: Wolog, assume $a < b$. (If $b < a$ we do the same thing but with the terms reversed).



              ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff$



              $frac {n!}{a!(n-a)!} = frac{n!}{b!(n-b)!} iff$



              $a!(n-a)! = b!(n-b)! iff$



              $a!(n-b)!(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = a!(a+1)(a+2)..b(n-b)! iff$



              $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..b$.



              If $n-b < a$ then $n-b + i < a + i$ for all $i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) < (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.



              If $n-b > a$ then $n-b + i > a+i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) > (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.



              So $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..biff n-b =a iff a=n-b$.



              ....



              So now we have a much stronger result with which we can show:



              ${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} iff n-k = k+1 iff n = 2k+1$.






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              $endgroup$



              ${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} implies$



              $frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} = frac {n!}{(k+1)!(n-k-1)!} implies$



              $frac {n!}{k!(n-k-1)!(n-k-1)} = frac {n!}{k!(k+1)(n-k-1)!}implies$



              $n-k -1 = k implies$



              $n = 2k +1$



              A stronger result. Not just any odd; specifically $2k+1$.



              ....



              Also notice: For all $0le k le n$ it is always true that:



              ${n choose k} = frac {n!}{k!(n-k)!} =frac {n!}{(n-(n-k))!(n-k)!} = {nchoose n-k}$.



              That's always true.



              In the same way way as above we can prove that:



              For any $a ne b$ that ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff b = n-a iff a=n-b$.



              Pf: Wolog, assume $a < b$. (If $b < a$ we do the same thing but with the terms reversed).



              ${nchoose a} = {nchoose b} iff$



              $frac {n!}{a!(n-a)!} = frac{n!}{b!(n-b)!} iff$



              $a!(n-a)! = b!(n-b)! iff$



              $a!(n-b)!(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = a!(a+1)(a+2)..b(n-b)! iff$



              $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..b$.



              If $n-b < a$ then $n-b + i < a + i$ for all $i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) < (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.



              If $n-b > a$ then $n-b + i > a+i$ and $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) > (a+1)(a+2)..b$ which is a contradiction.



              So $(n-b+1) ...(n-a) = (a+1)(a+2)..biff n-b =a iff a=n-b$.



              ....



              So now we have a much stronger result with which we can show:



              ${nchoose k} = {nchoose k+1} iff n-k = k+1 iff n = 2k+1$.







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              • $begingroup$
                You mean $le$. I'm hoping I stated that enough times to make it clear.
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                – fleablood
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              $begingroup$
              You mean $le$. I'm hoping I stated that enough times to make it clear.
              $endgroup$
              – fleablood
              Dec 2 '18 at 17:23




              $begingroup$
              You mean $le$. I'm hoping I stated that enough times to make it clear.
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              $begingroup$

              Let $k$ be a nonnegative integer. By definition,
              $$binom xk=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)}{k!}tag1$$
              (note that $x$ does not have to be an integer) and so
              $$binom x{k+1}=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)(x-k)}{(k+1)!}=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}.tag2$$
              The equation
              $$binom xk=binom x{k+1}tag3$$
              is a polynomial equation of degree $k+1$, so it has $k+1$ solutions. In view of $(2)$, we can rewrite $(3)$ as
              $$binom xk=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}tag4$$
              which holds when $binom xk=0$ or $frac{x-k}{k+1}=1$, that is, the solutions are
              $$x=0, 1, dots, k-1, 2k+1.tag5$$
              That is, if $binom xk=binom x{k+1}$, and if $xne0,1,dots,k-1$, then $x=2k+1$, an odd integer.






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                $begingroup$

                Let $k$ be a nonnegative integer. By definition,
                $$binom xk=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)}{k!}tag1$$
                (note that $x$ does not have to be an integer) and so
                $$binom x{k+1}=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)(x-k)}{(k+1)!}=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}.tag2$$
                The equation
                $$binom xk=binom x{k+1}tag3$$
                is a polynomial equation of degree $k+1$, so it has $k+1$ solutions. In view of $(2)$, we can rewrite $(3)$ as
                $$binom xk=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}tag4$$
                which holds when $binom xk=0$ or $frac{x-k}{k+1}=1$, that is, the solutions are
                $$x=0, 1, dots, k-1, 2k+1.tag5$$
                That is, if $binom xk=binom x{k+1}$, and if $xne0,1,dots,k-1$, then $x=2k+1$, an odd integer.






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                  $begingroup$

                  Let $k$ be a nonnegative integer. By definition,
                  $$binom xk=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)}{k!}tag1$$
                  (note that $x$ does not have to be an integer) and so
                  $$binom x{k+1}=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)(x-k)}{(k+1)!}=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}.tag2$$
                  The equation
                  $$binom xk=binom x{k+1}tag3$$
                  is a polynomial equation of degree $k+1$, so it has $k+1$ solutions. In view of $(2)$, we can rewrite $(3)$ as
                  $$binom xk=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}tag4$$
                  which holds when $binom xk=0$ or $frac{x-k}{k+1}=1$, that is, the solutions are
                  $$x=0, 1, dots, k-1, 2k+1.tag5$$
                  That is, if $binom xk=binom x{k+1}$, and if $xne0,1,dots,k-1$, then $x=2k+1$, an odd integer.






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                  Let $k$ be a nonnegative integer. By definition,
                  $$binom xk=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)}{k!}tag1$$
                  (note that $x$ does not have to be an integer) and so
                  $$binom x{k+1}=frac{x(x-1)(x-2)cdots(x-k+1)(x-k)}{(k+1)!}=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}.tag2$$
                  The equation
                  $$binom xk=binom x{k+1}tag3$$
                  is a polynomial equation of degree $k+1$, so it has $k+1$ solutions. In view of $(2)$, we can rewrite $(3)$ as
                  $$binom xk=binom xkfrac{x-k}{k+1}tag4$$
                  which holds when $binom xk=0$ or $frac{x-k}{k+1}=1$, that is, the solutions are
                  $$x=0, 1, dots, k-1, 2k+1.tag5$$
                  That is, if $binom xk=binom x{k+1}$, and if $xne0,1,dots,k-1$, then $x=2k+1$, an odd integer.







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