For the mapping x to ax+b, show that every left coset is a right coset












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I'm trying to answer the following question from Herstein: Topics in Algebra (1st) section 2.5 Question 7-9.



Given the mapping:
$$T_{ab} : xrightarrow ax+b $$
Let $G = {T_{ab}| a not =0}$, then G is a group under composition of mappings, where
$$T_{ab} circ T_{cd} = T_{(ac)(ad+b)}$$



Let H be a subgroup of G, $ H ={T_{ab}in G|a text{is rational}}.$



The question is to list all right cosets of H in G, and show they are left cosets of H in G.



The right cosets, it seems to me, would be $$T_{ab} circ T_{rd} = T_{(ar)(ad+b)}$$



given $T_{rd} in G $ for r irrational.



The left cosets would be $$T_{rd} circ T_{ab} = T_{(ra)(rb+d)}$$



I don't see how it's possible for the right cosets to be left cosets.










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    I'm trying to answer the following question from Herstein: Topics in Algebra (1st) section 2.5 Question 7-9.



    Given the mapping:
    $$T_{ab} : xrightarrow ax+b $$
    Let $G = {T_{ab}| a not =0}$, then G is a group under composition of mappings, where
    $$T_{ab} circ T_{cd} = T_{(ac)(ad+b)}$$



    Let H be a subgroup of G, $ H ={T_{ab}in G|a text{is rational}}.$



    The question is to list all right cosets of H in G, and show they are left cosets of H in G.



    The right cosets, it seems to me, would be $$T_{ab} circ T_{rd} = T_{(ar)(ad+b)}$$



    given $T_{rd} in G $ for r irrational.



    The left cosets would be $$T_{rd} circ T_{ab} = T_{(ra)(rb+d)}$$



    I don't see how it's possible for the right cosets to be left cosets.










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      I'm trying to answer the following question from Herstein: Topics in Algebra (1st) section 2.5 Question 7-9.



      Given the mapping:
      $$T_{ab} : xrightarrow ax+b $$
      Let $G = {T_{ab}| a not =0}$, then G is a group under composition of mappings, where
      $$T_{ab} circ T_{cd} = T_{(ac)(ad+b)}$$



      Let H be a subgroup of G, $ H ={T_{ab}in G|a text{is rational}}.$



      The question is to list all right cosets of H in G, and show they are left cosets of H in G.



      The right cosets, it seems to me, would be $$T_{ab} circ T_{rd} = T_{(ar)(ad+b)}$$



      given $T_{rd} in G $ for r irrational.



      The left cosets would be $$T_{rd} circ T_{ab} = T_{(ra)(rb+d)}$$



      I don't see how it's possible for the right cosets to be left cosets.










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      I'm trying to answer the following question from Herstein: Topics in Algebra (1st) section 2.5 Question 7-9.



      Given the mapping:
      $$T_{ab} : xrightarrow ax+b $$
      Let $G = {T_{ab}| a not =0}$, then G is a group under composition of mappings, where
      $$T_{ab} circ T_{cd} = T_{(ac)(ad+b)}$$



      Let H be a subgroup of G, $ H ={T_{ab}in G|a text{is rational}}.$



      The question is to list all right cosets of H in G, and show they are left cosets of H in G.



      The right cosets, it seems to me, would be $$T_{ab} circ T_{rd} = T_{(ar)(ad+b)}$$



      given $T_{rd} in G $ for r irrational.



      The left cosets would be $$T_{rd} circ T_{ab} = T_{(ra)(rb+d)}$$



      I don't see how it's possible for the right cosets to be left cosets.







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          Instead of $T$, I will use $f$ so that it is easier to distinguish between the function and the subgroup.



          Ques: When are two right cosets the same?



          Suppose $Hf_{ab}=Hf_{cd}$. Then $f_{ab} circ f_{cd}^{-1} =f_{left(frac{a}{c}right), left(b-frac{ad}{c}right)} in H$. This means $frac{a}{c} in Bbb{Q}$. For example, this means for a given $a neq 0$ and regardless of the values taken by $b$ and $c$, both the functions $f_{ab}$ and $f_{ac}$ will be in the same right coset ($because , frac{a}{a}=1 in Bbb{Q}$).



          Thus for $f_{ab} in G$, the corresponding right coset will look like
          $$Hf_{ab}={f_{cd} in G , | , c=ra text{ for some } r in Bbb{Q}-{0}}.$$



          Similarly we deal with the left cosets. To get
          $$f_{ab}H={f_{cd} in G , | , a=rc text{ for some } r in Bbb{Q}-{0}}.$$
          $color{blue}{text{NOTE:}}$ the only difference is this time the condition is $frac{c}{a} in Bbb{Q}$.



          However $frac{a}{c} in Bbb{Q}$ and $frac{c}{a} in Bbb{Q}$ are equivalent conditions (as long as $ac neq 0$). Thus the two cosets are same.






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            The group of affine transformations, or functions $mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ of the form $ x mapsto ax + b $ are isomorphic to a group of $2 times 2$ real matrices of the form $ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 \ end{array} right]$ where $a ne 0$ .



            For ease of notation, let's call the group of matrices $G$ for the purposes of this answer. It's isomorphic to the $G$ of the question.



            The left and right cosets of a subgroup $H subseteq G$ are equal if and only if the subgroup $H$ is normal in $G$ .



            $H$ is normal in $G$ if and only if $H$ is self-conjugate.



            To show that $H$ is self-conjugate, let's consider an arbitrary member of $H$, as you have done.



            $$ left[begin{array}{cc} r & d \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] tag{1} in H ;;;; text{ where $r in mathbb{Q}$ and $r ne 0$} $$



            and let's conjugate it by arbitrary member of $G$, $ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] $, with only the restriction $a ne 0$ imposed.



            $$ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 \ end{array}right] left[begin{array}{cc} r & d \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] left(left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 end{array}right]^{-1}right) tag{2a} $$



            $$ left[begin{array}{cc} r & -rb + b + ad \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] tag{2b} $$



            If (1) is in $H$, then (2b) is in $H$ because $r$ is rational and not equal to zero and $-rb + b + ad$ is real.



            If (2b) is in $H$, then (1) is in $H$.



            By assumption
            $$-rb + b + ad in mathbb{R} tag{3a} $$
            $a ne 0$, thus
            $$frac{-rb}{a} + frac{b}{a} + d in mathbb{R} tag{3b}$$
            $frac{rb}{a}$ is real and $frac{-b}{a}$ is real.
            $$ d in mathbb{R} tag{3c} $$



            therefore $H$ is self-conjugate, therefore $H$ is normal in $G$, therefore the collection of its left cosets is equal to the collection of its right cosets.






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              Instead of $T$, I will use $f$ so that it is easier to distinguish between the function and the subgroup.



              Ques: When are two right cosets the same?



              Suppose $Hf_{ab}=Hf_{cd}$. Then $f_{ab} circ f_{cd}^{-1} =f_{left(frac{a}{c}right), left(b-frac{ad}{c}right)} in H$. This means $frac{a}{c} in Bbb{Q}$. For example, this means for a given $a neq 0$ and regardless of the values taken by $b$ and $c$, both the functions $f_{ab}$ and $f_{ac}$ will be in the same right coset ($because , frac{a}{a}=1 in Bbb{Q}$).



              Thus for $f_{ab} in G$, the corresponding right coset will look like
              $$Hf_{ab}={f_{cd} in G , | , c=ra text{ for some } r in Bbb{Q}-{0}}.$$



              Similarly we deal with the left cosets. To get
              $$f_{ab}H={f_{cd} in G , | , a=rc text{ for some } r in Bbb{Q}-{0}}.$$
              $color{blue}{text{NOTE:}}$ the only difference is this time the condition is $frac{c}{a} in Bbb{Q}$.



              However $frac{a}{c} in Bbb{Q}$ and $frac{c}{a} in Bbb{Q}$ are equivalent conditions (as long as $ac neq 0$). Thus the two cosets are same.






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                Instead of $T$, I will use $f$ so that it is easier to distinguish between the function and the subgroup.



                Ques: When are two right cosets the same?



                Suppose $Hf_{ab}=Hf_{cd}$. Then $f_{ab} circ f_{cd}^{-1} =f_{left(frac{a}{c}right), left(b-frac{ad}{c}right)} in H$. This means $frac{a}{c} in Bbb{Q}$. For example, this means for a given $a neq 0$ and regardless of the values taken by $b$ and $c$, both the functions $f_{ab}$ and $f_{ac}$ will be in the same right coset ($because , frac{a}{a}=1 in Bbb{Q}$).



                Thus for $f_{ab} in G$, the corresponding right coset will look like
                $$Hf_{ab}={f_{cd} in G , | , c=ra text{ for some } r in Bbb{Q}-{0}}.$$



                Similarly we deal with the left cosets. To get
                $$f_{ab}H={f_{cd} in G , | , a=rc text{ for some } r in Bbb{Q}-{0}}.$$
                $color{blue}{text{NOTE:}}$ the only difference is this time the condition is $frac{c}{a} in Bbb{Q}$.



                However $frac{a}{c} in Bbb{Q}$ and $frac{c}{a} in Bbb{Q}$ are equivalent conditions (as long as $ac neq 0$). Thus the two cosets are same.






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                  Instead of $T$, I will use $f$ so that it is easier to distinguish between the function and the subgroup.



                  Ques: When are two right cosets the same?



                  Suppose $Hf_{ab}=Hf_{cd}$. Then $f_{ab} circ f_{cd}^{-1} =f_{left(frac{a}{c}right), left(b-frac{ad}{c}right)} in H$. This means $frac{a}{c} in Bbb{Q}$. For example, this means for a given $a neq 0$ and regardless of the values taken by $b$ and $c$, both the functions $f_{ab}$ and $f_{ac}$ will be in the same right coset ($because , frac{a}{a}=1 in Bbb{Q}$).



                  Thus for $f_{ab} in G$, the corresponding right coset will look like
                  $$Hf_{ab}={f_{cd} in G , | , c=ra text{ for some } r in Bbb{Q}-{0}}.$$



                  Similarly we deal with the left cosets. To get
                  $$f_{ab}H={f_{cd} in G , | , a=rc text{ for some } r in Bbb{Q}-{0}}.$$
                  $color{blue}{text{NOTE:}}$ the only difference is this time the condition is $frac{c}{a} in Bbb{Q}$.



                  However $frac{a}{c} in Bbb{Q}$ and $frac{c}{a} in Bbb{Q}$ are equivalent conditions (as long as $ac neq 0$). Thus the two cosets are same.






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                  Instead of $T$, I will use $f$ so that it is easier to distinguish between the function and the subgroup.



                  Ques: When are two right cosets the same?



                  Suppose $Hf_{ab}=Hf_{cd}$. Then $f_{ab} circ f_{cd}^{-1} =f_{left(frac{a}{c}right), left(b-frac{ad}{c}right)} in H$. This means $frac{a}{c} in Bbb{Q}$. For example, this means for a given $a neq 0$ and regardless of the values taken by $b$ and $c$, both the functions $f_{ab}$ and $f_{ac}$ will be in the same right coset ($because , frac{a}{a}=1 in Bbb{Q}$).



                  Thus for $f_{ab} in G$, the corresponding right coset will look like
                  $$Hf_{ab}={f_{cd} in G , | , c=ra text{ for some } r in Bbb{Q}-{0}}.$$



                  Similarly we deal with the left cosets. To get
                  $$f_{ab}H={f_{cd} in G , | , a=rc text{ for some } r in Bbb{Q}-{0}}.$$
                  $color{blue}{text{NOTE:}}$ the only difference is this time the condition is $frac{c}{a} in Bbb{Q}$.



                  However $frac{a}{c} in Bbb{Q}$ and $frac{c}{a} in Bbb{Q}$ are equivalent conditions (as long as $ac neq 0$). Thus the two cosets are same.







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                      The group of affine transformations, or functions $mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ of the form $ x mapsto ax + b $ are isomorphic to a group of $2 times 2$ real matrices of the form $ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 \ end{array} right]$ where $a ne 0$ .



                      For ease of notation, let's call the group of matrices $G$ for the purposes of this answer. It's isomorphic to the $G$ of the question.



                      The left and right cosets of a subgroup $H subseteq G$ are equal if and only if the subgroup $H$ is normal in $G$ .



                      $H$ is normal in $G$ if and only if $H$ is self-conjugate.



                      To show that $H$ is self-conjugate, let's consider an arbitrary member of $H$, as you have done.



                      $$ left[begin{array}{cc} r & d \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] tag{1} in H ;;;; text{ where $r in mathbb{Q}$ and $r ne 0$} $$



                      and let's conjugate it by arbitrary member of $G$, $ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] $, with only the restriction $a ne 0$ imposed.



                      $$ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 \ end{array}right] left[begin{array}{cc} r & d \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] left(left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 end{array}right]^{-1}right) tag{2a} $$



                      $$ left[begin{array}{cc} r & -rb + b + ad \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] tag{2b} $$



                      If (1) is in $H$, then (2b) is in $H$ because $r$ is rational and not equal to zero and $-rb + b + ad$ is real.



                      If (2b) is in $H$, then (1) is in $H$.



                      By assumption
                      $$-rb + b + ad in mathbb{R} tag{3a} $$
                      $a ne 0$, thus
                      $$frac{-rb}{a} + frac{b}{a} + d in mathbb{R} tag{3b}$$
                      $frac{rb}{a}$ is real and $frac{-b}{a}$ is real.
                      $$ d in mathbb{R} tag{3c} $$



                      therefore $H$ is self-conjugate, therefore $H$ is normal in $G$, therefore the collection of its left cosets is equal to the collection of its right cosets.






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                        The group of affine transformations, or functions $mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ of the form $ x mapsto ax + b $ are isomorphic to a group of $2 times 2$ real matrices of the form $ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 \ end{array} right]$ where $a ne 0$ .



                        For ease of notation, let's call the group of matrices $G$ for the purposes of this answer. It's isomorphic to the $G$ of the question.



                        The left and right cosets of a subgroup $H subseteq G$ are equal if and only if the subgroup $H$ is normal in $G$ .



                        $H$ is normal in $G$ if and only if $H$ is self-conjugate.



                        To show that $H$ is self-conjugate, let's consider an arbitrary member of $H$, as you have done.



                        $$ left[begin{array}{cc} r & d \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] tag{1} in H ;;;; text{ where $r in mathbb{Q}$ and $r ne 0$} $$



                        and let's conjugate it by arbitrary member of $G$, $ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] $, with only the restriction $a ne 0$ imposed.



                        $$ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 \ end{array}right] left[begin{array}{cc} r & d \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] left(left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 end{array}right]^{-1}right) tag{2a} $$



                        $$ left[begin{array}{cc} r & -rb + b + ad \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] tag{2b} $$



                        If (1) is in $H$, then (2b) is in $H$ because $r$ is rational and not equal to zero and $-rb + b + ad$ is real.



                        If (2b) is in $H$, then (1) is in $H$.



                        By assumption
                        $$-rb + b + ad in mathbb{R} tag{3a} $$
                        $a ne 0$, thus
                        $$frac{-rb}{a} + frac{b}{a} + d in mathbb{R} tag{3b}$$
                        $frac{rb}{a}$ is real and $frac{-b}{a}$ is real.
                        $$ d in mathbb{R} tag{3c} $$



                        therefore $H$ is self-conjugate, therefore $H$ is normal in $G$, therefore the collection of its left cosets is equal to the collection of its right cosets.






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                          The group of affine transformations, or functions $mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ of the form $ x mapsto ax + b $ are isomorphic to a group of $2 times 2$ real matrices of the form $ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 \ end{array} right]$ where $a ne 0$ .



                          For ease of notation, let's call the group of matrices $G$ for the purposes of this answer. It's isomorphic to the $G$ of the question.



                          The left and right cosets of a subgroup $H subseteq G$ are equal if and only if the subgroup $H$ is normal in $G$ .



                          $H$ is normal in $G$ if and only if $H$ is self-conjugate.



                          To show that $H$ is self-conjugate, let's consider an arbitrary member of $H$, as you have done.



                          $$ left[begin{array}{cc} r & d \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] tag{1} in H ;;;; text{ where $r in mathbb{Q}$ and $r ne 0$} $$



                          and let's conjugate it by arbitrary member of $G$, $ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] $, with only the restriction $a ne 0$ imposed.



                          $$ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 \ end{array}right] left[begin{array}{cc} r & d \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] left(left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 end{array}right]^{-1}right) tag{2a} $$



                          $$ left[begin{array}{cc} r & -rb + b + ad \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] tag{2b} $$



                          If (1) is in $H$, then (2b) is in $H$ because $r$ is rational and not equal to zero and $-rb + b + ad$ is real.



                          If (2b) is in $H$, then (1) is in $H$.



                          By assumption
                          $$-rb + b + ad in mathbb{R} tag{3a} $$
                          $a ne 0$, thus
                          $$frac{-rb}{a} + frac{b}{a} + d in mathbb{R} tag{3b}$$
                          $frac{rb}{a}$ is real and $frac{-b}{a}$ is real.
                          $$ d in mathbb{R} tag{3c} $$



                          therefore $H$ is self-conjugate, therefore $H$ is normal in $G$, therefore the collection of its left cosets is equal to the collection of its right cosets.






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                          The group of affine transformations, or functions $mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ of the form $ x mapsto ax + b $ are isomorphic to a group of $2 times 2$ real matrices of the form $ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 \ end{array} right]$ where $a ne 0$ .



                          For ease of notation, let's call the group of matrices $G$ for the purposes of this answer. It's isomorphic to the $G$ of the question.



                          The left and right cosets of a subgroup $H subseteq G$ are equal if and only if the subgroup $H$ is normal in $G$ .



                          $H$ is normal in $G$ if and only if $H$ is self-conjugate.



                          To show that $H$ is self-conjugate, let's consider an arbitrary member of $H$, as you have done.



                          $$ left[begin{array}{cc} r & d \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] tag{1} in H ;;;; text{ where $r in mathbb{Q}$ and $r ne 0$} $$



                          and let's conjugate it by arbitrary member of $G$, $ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] $, with only the restriction $a ne 0$ imposed.



                          $$ left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 \ end{array}right] left[begin{array}{cc} r & d \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] left(left[begin{array}{cc} a & b \ 0 & 1 end{array}right]^{-1}right) tag{2a} $$



                          $$ left[begin{array}{cc} r & -rb + b + ad \ 0 & 1 end{array}right] tag{2b} $$



                          If (1) is in $H$, then (2b) is in $H$ because $r$ is rational and not equal to zero and $-rb + b + ad$ is real.



                          If (2b) is in $H$, then (1) is in $H$.



                          By assumption
                          $$-rb + b + ad in mathbb{R} tag{3a} $$
                          $a ne 0$, thus
                          $$frac{-rb}{a} + frac{b}{a} + d in mathbb{R} tag{3b}$$
                          $frac{rb}{a}$ is real and $frac{-b}{a}$ is real.
                          $$ d in mathbb{R} tag{3c} $$



                          therefore $H$ is self-conjugate, therefore $H$ is normal in $G$, therefore the collection of its left cosets is equal to the collection of its right cosets.







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