Subspace $X in Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb{R}):tr(YX)=0$, where $Y =begin{bmatrix} 2 & 5 \ 3 & 4...












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I want to prove that set of $X in Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb{R}):tr(YX)=0$, where $Y =begin{bmatrix}
2 & 5 \
3 & 4
end{bmatrix}$

is subspace of space $Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb{R})$. But how can i find $textbf{1}:textbf{1} A = Atextbf{1} = A$, where A is an element of our subspace. And i also have problems with finding basis of this subspace. How can i do it?










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    Probably the most straightforward approach is to assume that the matrix $X$ consists of some real numbers $x_{ij}$, where $1 leq i, j leq 2$, calculate $YX$ explicitly and then check, under which conditions the trace of $YX$ equals $0$.
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    The vector space axioms don't require a multiplicative identity, just an additive identity. The zero matrix is indeed in your subspace.
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I want to prove that set of $X in Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb{R}):tr(YX)=0$, where $Y =begin{bmatrix}
2 & 5 \
3 & 4
end{bmatrix}$

is subspace of space $Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb{R})$. But how can i find $textbf{1}:textbf{1} A = Atextbf{1} = A$, where A is an element of our subspace. And i also have problems with finding basis of this subspace. How can i do it?










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    Probably the most straightforward approach is to assume that the matrix $X$ consists of some real numbers $x_{ij}$, where $1 leq i, j leq 2$, calculate $YX$ explicitly and then check, under which conditions the trace of $YX$ equals $0$.
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    The vector space axioms don't require a multiplicative identity, just an additive identity. The zero matrix is indeed in your subspace.
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I want to prove that set of $X in Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb{R}):tr(YX)=0$, where $Y =begin{bmatrix}
2 & 5 \
3 & 4
end{bmatrix}$

is subspace of space $Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb{R})$. But how can i find $textbf{1}:textbf{1} A = Atextbf{1} = A$, where A is an element of our subspace. And i also have problems with finding basis of this subspace. How can i do it?










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I want to prove that set of $X in Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb{R}):tr(YX)=0$, where $Y =begin{bmatrix}
2 & 5 \
3 & 4
end{bmatrix}$

is subspace of space $Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb{R})$. But how can i find $textbf{1}:textbf{1} A = Atextbf{1} = A$, where A is an element of our subspace. And i also have problems with finding basis of this subspace. How can i do it?







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    Probably the most straightforward approach is to assume that the matrix $X$ consists of some real numbers $x_{ij}$, where $1 leq i, j leq 2$, calculate $YX$ explicitly and then check, under which conditions the trace of $YX$ equals $0$.
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    $begingroup$
    The vector space axioms don't require a multiplicative identity, just an additive identity. The zero matrix is indeed in your subspace.
    $endgroup$
    – J. Pistachio
    Dec 25 '18 at 21:33














  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Probably the most straightforward approach is to assume that the matrix $X$ consists of some real numbers $x_{ij}$, where $1 leq i, j leq 2$, calculate $YX$ explicitly and then check, under which conditions the trace of $YX$ equals $0$.
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    $begingroup$
    The vector space axioms don't require a multiplicative identity, just an additive identity. The zero matrix is indeed in your subspace.
    $endgroup$
    – J. Pistachio
    Dec 25 '18 at 21:33








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$begingroup$
Probably the most straightforward approach is to assume that the matrix $X$ consists of some real numbers $x_{ij}$, where $1 leq i, j leq 2$, calculate $YX$ explicitly and then check, under which conditions the trace of $YX$ equals $0$.
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– hyperkahler
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$begingroup$
Probably the most straightforward approach is to assume that the matrix $X$ consists of some real numbers $x_{ij}$, where $1 leq i, j leq 2$, calculate $YX$ explicitly and then check, under which conditions the trace of $YX$ equals $0$.
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The vector space axioms don't require a multiplicative identity, just an additive identity. The zero matrix is indeed in your subspace.
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You want to remember the a subspace is closed under addition and scalar multiplication, and contains the zero matrix Z.



So suppose A,B $in$ W. That is tr(YA)=tr(YB)=0. Now consider C = A+B. We have
$$YC = Y(A+B) = YA + YB$$
So tr(YC) = tr(YA+YB) = tr(YA)+tr(YB) = 0. $checkmark$



Now consider $k$A for any scalar k. We have Y$k$A = k(YA).
So tr($k$YA) = $k$tr(YA) = 0.$checkmark$



Obviously, tr(YZ) = tr(Z) = 0.$checkmark$



Thus W is a subspace. I don't think we need to know exactly what Y is in order to show that W is a subspace.



To find a basis, consider A = $left[begin{array}&a &b\c&dend{array}right]$. Then YA = $left[begin{array}&2a+5c &2b+5d\3a+4c&3b+4dend{array}right]$.



Suppose A $in$ W. Then $$tr(YA) = 2a+5c+3b+4d = 0$$ So once we pick 3 of the entires for A, the 4th will be determined. So the dimension is 3, and a possible basis would be $left[begin{array}&1 &0\0&frac{-1}{2}end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &1\0&frac{-3}{4}end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &0\1&frac{-5}{4}end{array}right]$.



Or if you scale $left[begin{array}&2 &0\0&-1end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &4\0&-3end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &0\4&-5end{array}right]$.






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    thank you, but what about the basis of this subspace, how can i find it?
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The application $varphi : X mapsto tr(YX)$ is linear as it is the composition of $varphi_1 : X mapsto YX$ and the trace applications that are both linear maps.



The set $mathcal S$ you’re looking for is the kernel of $varphi$ and is therefore a subspace of $Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb R)$






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    The map $Xmapstooperatorname{Tr}(YX)$ is linear because it is a composition of linear maps: $Xmapsto YX$ and the trace. Your set is the kernel, so it is a subspace.



    In order to find a basis of the kernel, you need to compute; if
    $$
    X=begin{bmatrix} x_{11} & x_{12} \ x_{21} & x_{22} end{bmatrix}
    $$

    then
    $$
    YX=begin{bmatrix}
    2x_{11}+5x_{21} & 2x_{12}+5x_{22} \
    3x_{11}+4x_{21} & 3x_{12}+4x_{22}
    end{bmatrix}
    $$

    so the trace is zero when
    $$
    2x_{11}+3x_{12}+5x_{21}+4x_{22}=0
    $$

    and finding a basis should be easy.






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      You want to remember the a subspace is closed under addition and scalar multiplication, and contains the zero matrix Z.



      So suppose A,B $in$ W. That is tr(YA)=tr(YB)=0. Now consider C = A+B. We have
      $$YC = Y(A+B) = YA + YB$$
      So tr(YC) = tr(YA+YB) = tr(YA)+tr(YB) = 0. $checkmark$



      Now consider $k$A for any scalar k. We have Y$k$A = k(YA).
      So tr($k$YA) = $k$tr(YA) = 0.$checkmark$



      Obviously, tr(YZ) = tr(Z) = 0.$checkmark$



      Thus W is a subspace. I don't think we need to know exactly what Y is in order to show that W is a subspace.



      To find a basis, consider A = $left[begin{array}&a &b\c&dend{array}right]$. Then YA = $left[begin{array}&2a+5c &2b+5d\3a+4c&3b+4dend{array}right]$.



      Suppose A $in$ W. Then $$tr(YA) = 2a+5c+3b+4d = 0$$ So once we pick 3 of the entires for A, the 4th will be determined. So the dimension is 3, and a possible basis would be $left[begin{array}&1 &0\0&frac{-1}{2}end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &1\0&frac{-3}{4}end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &0\1&frac{-5}{4}end{array}right]$.



      Or if you scale $left[begin{array}&2 &0\0&-1end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &4\0&-3end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &0\4&-5end{array}right]$.






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        thank you, but what about the basis of this subspace, how can i find it?
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      You want to remember the a subspace is closed under addition and scalar multiplication, and contains the zero matrix Z.



      So suppose A,B $in$ W. That is tr(YA)=tr(YB)=0. Now consider C = A+B. We have
      $$YC = Y(A+B) = YA + YB$$
      So tr(YC) = tr(YA+YB) = tr(YA)+tr(YB) = 0. $checkmark$



      Now consider $k$A for any scalar k. We have Y$k$A = k(YA).
      So tr($k$YA) = $k$tr(YA) = 0.$checkmark$



      Obviously, tr(YZ) = tr(Z) = 0.$checkmark$



      Thus W is a subspace. I don't think we need to know exactly what Y is in order to show that W is a subspace.



      To find a basis, consider A = $left[begin{array}&a &b\c&dend{array}right]$. Then YA = $left[begin{array}&2a+5c &2b+5d\3a+4c&3b+4dend{array}right]$.



      Suppose A $in$ W. Then $$tr(YA) = 2a+5c+3b+4d = 0$$ So once we pick 3 of the entires for A, the 4th will be determined. So the dimension is 3, and a possible basis would be $left[begin{array}&1 &0\0&frac{-1}{2}end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &1\0&frac{-3}{4}end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &0\1&frac{-5}{4}end{array}right]$.



      Or if you scale $left[begin{array}&2 &0\0&-1end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &4\0&-3end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &0\4&-5end{array}right]$.






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        thank you, but what about the basis of this subspace, how can i find it?
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        – envy grunt
        Dec 25 '18 at 21:40






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        i'll edit my answer shortly.
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      You want to remember the a subspace is closed under addition and scalar multiplication, and contains the zero matrix Z.



      So suppose A,B $in$ W. That is tr(YA)=tr(YB)=0. Now consider C = A+B. We have
      $$YC = Y(A+B) = YA + YB$$
      So tr(YC) = tr(YA+YB) = tr(YA)+tr(YB) = 0. $checkmark$



      Now consider $k$A for any scalar k. We have Y$k$A = k(YA).
      So tr($k$YA) = $k$tr(YA) = 0.$checkmark$



      Obviously, tr(YZ) = tr(Z) = 0.$checkmark$



      Thus W is a subspace. I don't think we need to know exactly what Y is in order to show that W is a subspace.



      To find a basis, consider A = $left[begin{array}&a &b\c&dend{array}right]$. Then YA = $left[begin{array}&2a+5c &2b+5d\3a+4c&3b+4dend{array}right]$.



      Suppose A $in$ W. Then $$tr(YA) = 2a+5c+3b+4d = 0$$ So once we pick 3 of the entires for A, the 4th will be determined. So the dimension is 3, and a possible basis would be $left[begin{array}&1 &0\0&frac{-1}{2}end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &1\0&frac{-3}{4}end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &0\1&frac{-5}{4}end{array}right]$.



      Or if you scale $left[begin{array}&2 &0\0&-1end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &4\0&-3end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &0\4&-5end{array}right]$.






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      You want to remember the a subspace is closed under addition and scalar multiplication, and contains the zero matrix Z.



      So suppose A,B $in$ W. That is tr(YA)=tr(YB)=0. Now consider C = A+B. We have
      $$YC = Y(A+B) = YA + YB$$
      So tr(YC) = tr(YA+YB) = tr(YA)+tr(YB) = 0. $checkmark$



      Now consider $k$A for any scalar k. We have Y$k$A = k(YA).
      So tr($k$YA) = $k$tr(YA) = 0.$checkmark$



      Obviously, tr(YZ) = tr(Z) = 0.$checkmark$



      Thus W is a subspace. I don't think we need to know exactly what Y is in order to show that W is a subspace.



      To find a basis, consider A = $left[begin{array}&a &b\c&dend{array}right]$. Then YA = $left[begin{array}&2a+5c &2b+5d\3a+4c&3b+4dend{array}right]$.



      Suppose A $in$ W. Then $$tr(YA) = 2a+5c+3b+4d = 0$$ So once we pick 3 of the entires for A, the 4th will be determined. So the dimension is 3, and a possible basis would be $left[begin{array}&1 &0\0&frac{-1}{2}end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &1\0&frac{-3}{4}end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &0\1&frac{-5}{4}end{array}right]$.



      Or if you scale $left[begin{array}&2 &0\0&-1end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &4\0&-3end{array}right]$,$left[begin{array}&0 &0\4&-5end{array}right]$.







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        thank you, but what about the basis of this subspace, how can i find it?
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        Dec 25 '18 at 21:40






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        thank you, but what about the basis of this subspace, how can i find it?
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        – envy grunt
        Dec 25 '18 at 21:40






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      thank you, but what about the basis of this subspace, how can i find it?
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      Dec 25 '18 at 21:40




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      thank you, but what about the basis of this subspace, how can i find it?
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      Dec 25 '18 at 21:40




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      i'll edit my answer shortly.
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      Dec 26 '18 at 1:11











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      The application $varphi : X mapsto tr(YX)$ is linear as it is the composition of $varphi_1 : X mapsto YX$ and the trace applications that are both linear maps.



      The set $mathcal S$ you’re looking for is the kernel of $varphi$ and is therefore a subspace of $Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb R)$






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        The application $varphi : X mapsto tr(YX)$ is linear as it is the composition of $varphi_1 : X mapsto YX$ and the trace applications that are both linear maps.



        The set $mathcal S$ you’re looking for is the kernel of $varphi$ and is therefore a subspace of $Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb R)$






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          The application $varphi : X mapsto tr(YX)$ is linear as it is the composition of $varphi_1 : X mapsto YX$ and the trace applications that are both linear maps.



          The set $mathcal S$ you’re looking for is the kernel of $varphi$ and is therefore a subspace of $Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb R)$






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          The application $varphi : X mapsto tr(YX)$ is linear as it is the composition of $varphi_1 : X mapsto YX$ and the trace applications that are both linear maps.



          The set $mathcal S$ you’re looking for is the kernel of $varphi$ and is therefore a subspace of $Mat_{2 times 2}(mathbb R)$







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              The map $Xmapstooperatorname{Tr}(YX)$ is linear because it is a composition of linear maps: $Xmapsto YX$ and the trace. Your set is the kernel, so it is a subspace.



              In order to find a basis of the kernel, you need to compute; if
              $$
              X=begin{bmatrix} x_{11} & x_{12} \ x_{21} & x_{22} end{bmatrix}
              $$

              then
              $$
              YX=begin{bmatrix}
              2x_{11}+5x_{21} & 2x_{12}+5x_{22} \
              3x_{11}+4x_{21} & 3x_{12}+4x_{22}
              end{bmatrix}
              $$

              so the trace is zero when
              $$
              2x_{11}+3x_{12}+5x_{21}+4x_{22}=0
              $$

              and finding a basis should be easy.






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                $begingroup$

                The map $Xmapstooperatorname{Tr}(YX)$ is linear because it is a composition of linear maps: $Xmapsto YX$ and the trace. Your set is the kernel, so it is a subspace.



                In order to find a basis of the kernel, you need to compute; if
                $$
                X=begin{bmatrix} x_{11} & x_{12} \ x_{21} & x_{22} end{bmatrix}
                $$

                then
                $$
                YX=begin{bmatrix}
                2x_{11}+5x_{21} & 2x_{12}+5x_{22} \
                3x_{11}+4x_{21} & 3x_{12}+4x_{22}
                end{bmatrix}
                $$

                so the trace is zero when
                $$
                2x_{11}+3x_{12}+5x_{21}+4x_{22}=0
                $$

                and finding a basis should be easy.






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                  $begingroup$

                  The map $Xmapstooperatorname{Tr}(YX)$ is linear because it is a composition of linear maps: $Xmapsto YX$ and the trace. Your set is the kernel, so it is a subspace.



                  In order to find a basis of the kernel, you need to compute; if
                  $$
                  X=begin{bmatrix} x_{11} & x_{12} \ x_{21} & x_{22} end{bmatrix}
                  $$

                  then
                  $$
                  YX=begin{bmatrix}
                  2x_{11}+5x_{21} & 2x_{12}+5x_{22} \
                  3x_{11}+4x_{21} & 3x_{12}+4x_{22}
                  end{bmatrix}
                  $$

                  so the trace is zero when
                  $$
                  2x_{11}+3x_{12}+5x_{21}+4x_{22}=0
                  $$

                  and finding a basis should be easy.






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                  The map $Xmapstooperatorname{Tr}(YX)$ is linear because it is a composition of linear maps: $Xmapsto YX$ and the trace. Your set is the kernel, so it is a subspace.



                  In order to find a basis of the kernel, you need to compute; if
                  $$
                  X=begin{bmatrix} x_{11} & x_{12} \ x_{21} & x_{22} end{bmatrix}
                  $$

                  then
                  $$
                  YX=begin{bmatrix}
                  2x_{11}+5x_{21} & 2x_{12}+5x_{22} \
                  3x_{11}+4x_{21} & 3x_{12}+4x_{22}
                  end{bmatrix}
                  $$

                  so the trace is zero when
                  $$
                  2x_{11}+3x_{12}+5x_{21}+4x_{22}=0
                  $$

                  and finding a basis should be easy.







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