Hensel Lifting with a non-simple root












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I was doing a problem and it involves lifting a root x= 55, from mod $2^{10}$ to a solution mod $2^{19}$ but the root is non simple, i.e. $$f'(x) equiv 0 (mod 2)$$



Here,
$f(x) = x^{3} - 9x + 8 equiv 0 $ $(mod 2^{10})$



Where x = 55 is a solution of f(x).



I am wondering how I go about trying to lift to this power modulus.






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    Maybe substitute to find $(55+2^{10}x)^3-9(55+2^{10}x)+8equiv0pmod{2^{19}}$?
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    – awllower
    Feb 14 '18 at 15:43






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    You could use the fact that $f(x)=(x-1)(x^2+x-8)$. You can do any kind of Hensel on the quadratic factor, and your desired number is the nonunit root. Alternatively, you can write $g(x)=f(x+1)=x(x^2 + 3x - 6)$ and work with the quadratic factor here. In addition, there are several ways of using Strong Hensel, which I guess you’re not aware of.
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    – Lubin
    Feb 14 '18 at 22:28








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    @awllower Thank you! I got there, I found that the lift was $x = 55+83 cdot 2^{10}$ if you wanted the answer.
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    – Bunneh
    Feb 15 '18 at 0:36


















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I was doing a problem and it involves lifting a root x= 55, from mod $2^{10}$ to a solution mod $2^{19}$ but the root is non simple, i.e. $$f'(x) equiv 0 (mod 2)$$



Here,
$f(x) = x^{3} - 9x + 8 equiv 0 $ $(mod 2^{10})$



Where x = 55 is a solution of f(x).



I am wondering how I go about trying to lift to this power modulus.






number-theory elementary-number-theory hensels-lemma







share|cite|improve this question











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  • $begingroup$
    Maybe substitute to find $(55+2^{10}x)^3-9(55+2^{10}x)+8equiv0pmod{2^{19}}$?
    $endgroup$
    – awllower
    Feb 14 '18 at 15:43






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    You could use the fact that $f(x)=(x-1)(x^2+x-8)$. You can do any kind of Hensel on the quadratic factor, and your desired number is the nonunit root. Alternatively, you can write $g(x)=f(x+1)=x(x^2 + 3x - 6)$ and work with the quadratic factor here. In addition, there are several ways of using Strong Hensel, which I guess you’re not aware of.
    $endgroup$
    – Lubin
    Feb 14 '18 at 22:28








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @awllower Thank you! I got there, I found that the lift was $x = 55+83 cdot 2^{10}$ if you wanted the answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Bunneh
    Feb 15 '18 at 0:36
















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$begingroup$


I was doing a problem and it involves lifting a root x= 55, from mod $2^{10}$ to a solution mod $2^{19}$ but the root is non simple, i.e. $$f'(x) equiv 0 (mod 2)$$



Here,
$f(x) = x^{3} - 9x + 8 equiv 0 $ $(mod 2^{10})$



Where x = 55 is a solution of f(x).



I am wondering how I go about trying to lift to this power modulus.






number-theory elementary-number-theory hensels-lemma







share|cite|improve this question











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I was doing a problem and it involves lifting a root x= 55, from mod $2^{10}$ to a solution mod $2^{19}$ but the root is non simple, i.e. $$f'(x) equiv 0 (mod 2)$$



Here,
$f(x) = x^{3} - 9x + 8 equiv 0 $ $(mod 2^{10})$



Where x = 55 is a solution of f(x).



I am wondering how I go about trying to lift to this power modulus.






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  • $begingroup$
    Maybe substitute to find $(55+2^{10}x)^3-9(55+2^{10}x)+8equiv0pmod{2^{19}}$?
    $endgroup$
    – awllower
    Feb 14 '18 at 15:43






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    You could use the fact that $f(x)=(x-1)(x^2+x-8)$. You can do any kind of Hensel on the quadratic factor, and your desired number is the nonunit root. Alternatively, you can write $g(x)=f(x+1)=x(x^2 + 3x - 6)$ and work with the quadratic factor here. In addition, there are several ways of using Strong Hensel, which I guess you’re not aware of.
    $endgroup$
    – Lubin
    Feb 14 '18 at 22:28








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @awllower Thank you! I got there, I found that the lift was $x = 55+83 cdot 2^{10}$ if you wanted the answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Bunneh
    Feb 15 '18 at 0:36




















  • $begingroup$
    Maybe substitute to find $(55+2^{10}x)^3-9(55+2^{10}x)+8equiv0pmod{2^{19}}$?
    $endgroup$
    – awllower
    Feb 14 '18 at 15:43






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    You could use the fact that $f(x)=(x-1)(x^2+x-8)$. You can do any kind of Hensel on the quadratic factor, and your desired number is the nonunit root. Alternatively, you can write $g(x)=f(x+1)=x(x^2 + 3x - 6)$ and work with the quadratic factor here. In addition, there are several ways of using Strong Hensel, which I guess you’re not aware of.
    $endgroup$
    – Lubin
    Feb 14 '18 at 22:28








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @awllower Thank you! I got there, I found that the lift was $x = 55+83 cdot 2^{10}$ if you wanted the answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Bunneh
    Feb 15 '18 at 0:36


















$begingroup$
Maybe substitute to find $(55+2^{10}x)^3-9(55+2^{10}x)+8equiv0pmod{2^{19}}$?
$endgroup$
– awllower
Feb 14 '18 at 15:43




$begingroup$
Maybe substitute to find $(55+2^{10}x)^3-9(55+2^{10}x)+8equiv0pmod{2^{19}}$?
$endgroup$
– awllower
Feb 14 '18 at 15:43




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$begingroup$
You could use the fact that $f(x)=(x-1)(x^2+x-8)$. You can do any kind of Hensel on the quadratic factor, and your desired number is the nonunit root. Alternatively, you can write $g(x)=f(x+1)=x(x^2 + 3x - 6)$ and work with the quadratic factor here. In addition, there are several ways of using Strong Hensel, which I guess you’re not aware of.
$endgroup$
– Lubin
Feb 14 '18 at 22:28






$begingroup$
You could use the fact that $f(x)=(x-1)(x^2+x-8)$. You can do any kind of Hensel on the quadratic factor, and your desired number is the nonunit root. Alternatively, you can write $g(x)=f(x+1)=x(x^2 + 3x - 6)$ and work with the quadratic factor here. In addition, there are several ways of using Strong Hensel, which I guess you’re not aware of.
$endgroup$
– Lubin
Feb 14 '18 at 22:28






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$begingroup$
@awllower Thank you! I got there, I found that the lift was $x = 55+83 cdot 2^{10}$ if you wanted the answer.
$endgroup$
– Bunneh
Feb 15 '18 at 0:36






$begingroup$
@awllower Thank you! I got there, I found that the lift was $x = 55+83 cdot 2^{10}$ if you wanted the answer.
$endgroup$
– Bunneh
Feb 15 '18 at 0:36












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A general method is: If $x$ is a singular root $mod p^j$, then either it lifts to p roots $mod p^{j+1}$, or it lifts to no root, depending on if $f(x)$ is congruent to $0 mod p^{j+1}$.






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    A remark. f(55) = 81*2^11, f'(55) = 4533*2^1. Since 11 >= 2*1 + 1, the solution 55 can be lifted to mod p^j with arbitrarily large j.
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A general method is: If $x$ is a singular root $mod p^j$, then either it lifts to p roots $mod p^{j+1}$, or it lifts to no root, depending on if $f(x)$ is congruent to $0 mod p^{j+1}$.






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  • $begingroup$
    A remark. f(55) = 81*2^11, f'(55) = 4533*2^1. Since 11 >= 2*1 + 1, the solution 55 can be lifted to mod p^j with arbitrarily large j.
    $endgroup$
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$begingroup$

A general method is: If $x$ is a singular root $mod p^j$, then either it lifts to p roots $mod p^{j+1}$, or it lifts to no root, depending on if $f(x)$ is congruent to $0 mod p^{j+1}$.






share|cite|improve this answer











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  • $begingroup$
    A remark. f(55) = 81*2^11, f'(55) = 4533*2^1. Since 11 >= 2*1 + 1, the solution 55 can be lifted to mod p^j with arbitrarily large j.
    $endgroup$
    – james0910
    Dec 6 '18 at 9:04














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A general method is: If $x$ is a singular root $mod p^j$, then either it lifts to p roots $mod p^{j+1}$, or it lifts to no root, depending on if $f(x)$ is congruent to $0 mod p^{j+1}$.






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A general method is: If $x$ is a singular root $mod p^j$, then either it lifts to p roots $mod p^{j+1}$, or it lifts to no root, depending on if $f(x)$ is congruent to $0 mod p^{j+1}$.







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  • $begingroup$
    A remark. f(55) = 81*2^11, f'(55) = 4533*2^1. Since 11 >= 2*1 + 1, the solution 55 can be lifted to mod p^j with arbitrarily large j.
    $endgroup$
    – james0910
    Dec 6 '18 at 9:04


















  • $begingroup$
    A remark. f(55) = 81*2^11, f'(55) = 4533*2^1. Since 11 >= 2*1 + 1, the solution 55 can be lifted to mod p^j with arbitrarily large j.
    $endgroup$
    – james0910
    Dec 6 '18 at 9:04
















$begingroup$
A remark. f(55) = 81*2^11, f'(55) = 4533*2^1. Since 11 >= 2*1 + 1, the solution 55 can be lifted to mod p^j with arbitrarily large j.
$endgroup$
– james0910
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$begingroup$
A remark. f(55) = 81*2^11, f'(55) = 4533*2^1. Since 11 >= 2*1 + 1, the solution 55 can be lifted to mod p^j with arbitrarily large j.
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