Total rotation of a circle (or other closed curve) when 'rolled' along a curve in $mathbb{R}^2$












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As to compute how much a circle rotates when 'rolled' along a curve in $mathbb{R}^2$, the most intuitive way to me to find the number of rotations is:



$S/C+W/(2pi)$





  • $S$ is the arc-length of the curve


  • $C$ is the circumference of the circle


  • $W$ is the total curvature of the curve


However, this seems to agree with:



$T/C$





  • $T$ is the arc-length of path of the center of the circle


Can anyone intuitively explain why the latter works as well?



Also I'm wondering whether $T/C$ still works if the circle is replaced by some closed curve (whereby $C$ is the arc-length of the closed curve and $T$ is the arc-length of path of the mass-center of the closed curve). Edit: After writing down the integrals, I think a sensible generalization might (rather than the mass-center) have more to do with the center of the osculating circle of the close curve at its current intersection with the curve it's being rolled on.



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Edit: In other words:

Let $ c:[a,b]tomathbb{R}^2 $ be some smooth curve along which a circle with radius $text{abs}(r)$ is being rolled.

Let $ text{center}:[a,b]tomathbb{R}^2 $ be the center of the circle given by:
$$text{center}(t)=c(t)+rfrac{{c_2'(t),-c_1'(t)}}{||c'(t)||_2}$$
That is the sign of $r$ determines on which side of the curve the circle is being rolled.



Expressed with integrals, the formulas for the total rotation are



$S/C+W/(2pi)={largeint_a^b}dfrac{||c'(t)||_2}{2rpi}dt+
{hugeint_{large a}^{large b}}dfrac{det{left(
begin{array}{cc}
c_1'(t) & c_2'(t) \
c_1''(t) & c_2''(t) \
end{array}
right)}}{||c'(t)||_2^2cdot (2pi)}dt$



$T/C = {largeint_a^b}dfrac{||text{center}'(t)||_2}{2,text{abs}(r)pi}cdottext{sign}left(dfrac{1}{r}+dfrac{det{left(
begin{array}{cc}
c_1'(t) & c_2'(t) \
c_1''(t) & c_2''(t) \
end{array}
right)}}{||c'(t)||_2^3}right)dt$



both of which are influenced by the signs of $r$ and the curvature determinant.










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    As to compute how much a circle rotates when 'rolled' along a curve in $mathbb{R}^2$, the most intuitive way to me to find the number of rotations is:



    $S/C+W/(2pi)$





    • $S$ is the arc-length of the curve


    • $C$ is the circumference of the circle


    • $W$ is the total curvature of the curve


    However, this seems to agree with:



    $T/C$





    • $T$ is the arc-length of path of the center of the circle


    Can anyone intuitively explain why the latter works as well?



    Also I'm wondering whether $T/C$ still works if the circle is replaced by some closed curve (whereby $C$ is the arc-length of the closed curve and $T$ is the arc-length of path of the mass-center of the closed curve). Edit: After writing down the integrals, I think a sensible generalization might (rather than the mass-center) have more to do with the center of the osculating circle of the close curve at its current intersection with the curve it's being rolled on.



    $ $
    Edit: In other words:

    Let $ c:[a,b]tomathbb{R}^2 $ be some smooth curve along which a circle with radius $text{abs}(r)$ is being rolled.

    Let $ text{center}:[a,b]tomathbb{R}^2 $ be the center of the circle given by:
    $$text{center}(t)=c(t)+rfrac{{c_2'(t),-c_1'(t)}}{||c'(t)||_2}$$
    That is the sign of $r$ determines on which side of the curve the circle is being rolled.



    Expressed with integrals, the formulas for the total rotation are



    $S/C+W/(2pi)={largeint_a^b}dfrac{||c'(t)||_2}{2rpi}dt+
    {hugeint_{large a}^{large b}}dfrac{det{left(
    begin{array}{cc}
    c_1'(t) & c_2'(t) \
    c_1''(t) & c_2''(t) \
    end{array}
    right)}}{||c'(t)||_2^2cdot (2pi)}dt$



    $T/C = {largeint_a^b}dfrac{||text{center}'(t)||_2}{2,text{abs}(r)pi}cdottext{sign}left(dfrac{1}{r}+dfrac{det{left(
    begin{array}{cc}
    c_1'(t) & c_2'(t) \
    c_1''(t) & c_2''(t) \
    end{array}
    right)}}{||c'(t)||_2^3}right)dt$



    both of which are influenced by the signs of $r$ and the curvature determinant.










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      As to compute how much a circle rotates when 'rolled' along a curve in $mathbb{R}^2$, the most intuitive way to me to find the number of rotations is:



      $S/C+W/(2pi)$





      • $S$ is the arc-length of the curve


      • $C$ is the circumference of the circle


      • $W$ is the total curvature of the curve


      However, this seems to agree with:



      $T/C$





      • $T$ is the arc-length of path of the center of the circle


      Can anyone intuitively explain why the latter works as well?



      Also I'm wondering whether $T/C$ still works if the circle is replaced by some closed curve (whereby $C$ is the arc-length of the closed curve and $T$ is the arc-length of path of the mass-center of the closed curve). Edit: After writing down the integrals, I think a sensible generalization might (rather than the mass-center) have more to do with the center of the osculating circle of the close curve at its current intersection with the curve it's being rolled on.



      $ $
      Edit: In other words:

      Let $ c:[a,b]tomathbb{R}^2 $ be some smooth curve along which a circle with radius $text{abs}(r)$ is being rolled.

      Let $ text{center}:[a,b]tomathbb{R}^2 $ be the center of the circle given by:
      $$text{center}(t)=c(t)+rfrac{{c_2'(t),-c_1'(t)}}{||c'(t)||_2}$$
      That is the sign of $r$ determines on which side of the curve the circle is being rolled.



      Expressed with integrals, the formulas for the total rotation are



      $S/C+W/(2pi)={largeint_a^b}dfrac{||c'(t)||_2}{2rpi}dt+
      {hugeint_{large a}^{large b}}dfrac{det{left(
      begin{array}{cc}
      c_1'(t) & c_2'(t) \
      c_1''(t) & c_2''(t) \
      end{array}
      right)}}{||c'(t)||_2^2cdot (2pi)}dt$



      $T/C = {largeint_a^b}dfrac{||text{center}'(t)||_2}{2,text{abs}(r)pi}cdottext{sign}left(dfrac{1}{r}+dfrac{det{left(
      begin{array}{cc}
      c_1'(t) & c_2'(t) \
      c_1''(t) & c_2''(t) \
      end{array}
      right)}}{||c'(t)||_2^3}right)dt$



      both of which are influenced by the signs of $r$ and the curvature determinant.










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      As to compute how much a circle rotates when 'rolled' along a curve in $mathbb{R}^2$, the most intuitive way to me to find the number of rotations is:



      $S/C+W/(2pi)$





      • $S$ is the arc-length of the curve


      • $C$ is the circumference of the circle


      • $W$ is the total curvature of the curve


      However, this seems to agree with:



      $T/C$





      • $T$ is the arc-length of path of the center of the circle


      Can anyone intuitively explain why the latter works as well?



      Also I'm wondering whether $T/C$ still works if the circle is replaced by some closed curve (whereby $C$ is the arc-length of the closed curve and $T$ is the arc-length of path of the mass-center of the closed curve). Edit: After writing down the integrals, I think a sensible generalization might (rather than the mass-center) have more to do with the center of the osculating circle of the close curve at its current intersection with the curve it's being rolled on.



      $ $
      Edit: In other words:

      Let $ c:[a,b]tomathbb{R}^2 $ be some smooth curve along which a circle with radius $text{abs}(r)$ is being rolled.

      Let $ text{center}:[a,b]tomathbb{R}^2 $ be the center of the circle given by:
      $$text{center}(t)=c(t)+rfrac{{c_2'(t),-c_1'(t)}}{||c'(t)||_2}$$
      That is the sign of $r$ determines on which side of the curve the circle is being rolled.



      Expressed with integrals, the formulas for the total rotation are



      $S/C+W/(2pi)={largeint_a^b}dfrac{||c'(t)||_2}{2rpi}dt+
      {hugeint_{large a}^{large b}}dfrac{det{left(
      begin{array}{cc}
      c_1'(t) & c_2'(t) \
      c_1''(t) & c_2''(t) \
      end{array}
      right)}}{||c'(t)||_2^2cdot (2pi)}dt$



      $T/C = {largeint_a^b}dfrac{||text{center}'(t)||_2}{2,text{abs}(r)pi}cdottext{sign}left(dfrac{1}{r}+dfrac{det{left(
      begin{array}{cc}
      c_1'(t) & c_2'(t) \
      c_1''(t) & c_2''(t) \
      end{array}
      right)}}{||c'(t)||_2^3}right)dt$



      both of which are influenced by the signs of $r$ and the curvature determinant.







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          Can anyone intuitively explain why the latter works as well?




          It's easier to understand if the curve is parametrized by arc length. Also, I find it easier to understand the relation $T=S+rW$ relating absolute lengths than the relation $T/C=S/C+W/(2pi)$ relating counts of rotations.



          So let $s$ parametrize the curve by arc length. I'll also assume that the rotating circle is along the "outside" of the curve the entire time, and that $kappa$ is nonzero. At the point of tangency, there is the osculating circle with radius $1/kappa(s)$. The rotating circle has radius $r$. So the center of the rotating circle is (for an infinitesimal moment) tracing a circular path with radius $r+1/kappa(s)$.



          Over a short length $ds$ within the curve, the length of the circular arc that the center travels through can be calculated using proportional reasoning:



          $$dt=frac{r+1/kappa(s)}{1/kappa(s)}ds=(1+rkappa(s))ds$$



          enter image description here



          Now integrate over $s$ and you get the arc length through which the center passes. That is, $$T=int_0^S(1+rkappa(s)),ds$$



          But break it up into two integrals:
          $$begin{align}
          T&=int_0^Sds+rint_0^Skappa(s),ds\
          T&=S+rW
          end{align}$$



          Now divide by $C$ to get the form you have observed.





          If the rotating circle is along the "inside", then the same reasoning changes the integral for $T$ to $$T=int_0^S(1-rkappa(s)),ds$$ If the curve has zero curvature throughout, then $$T=int_0^Sds=S$$ And lastly for more complicated curves, if they can be broken up piecewise into curves of these three types, you are set.






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            Can anyone intuitively explain why the latter works as well?




            It's easier to understand if the curve is parametrized by arc length. Also, I find it easier to understand the relation $T=S+rW$ relating absolute lengths than the relation $T/C=S/C+W/(2pi)$ relating counts of rotations.



            So let $s$ parametrize the curve by arc length. I'll also assume that the rotating circle is along the "outside" of the curve the entire time, and that $kappa$ is nonzero. At the point of tangency, there is the osculating circle with radius $1/kappa(s)$. The rotating circle has radius $r$. So the center of the rotating circle is (for an infinitesimal moment) tracing a circular path with radius $r+1/kappa(s)$.



            Over a short length $ds$ within the curve, the length of the circular arc that the center travels through can be calculated using proportional reasoning:



            $$dt=frac{r+1/kappa(s)}{1/kappa(s)}ds=(1+rkappa(s))ds$$



            enter image description here



            Now integrate over $s$ and you get the arc length through which the center passes. That is, $$T=int_0^S(1+rkappa(s)),ds$$



            But break it up into two integrals:
            $$begin{align}
            T&=int_0^Sds+rint_0^Skappa(s),ds\
            T&=S+rW
            end{align}$$



            Now divide by $C$ to get the form you have observed.





            If the rotating circle is along the "inside", then the same reasoning changes the integral for $T$ to $$T=int_0^S(1-rkappa(s)),ds$$ If the curve has zero curvature throughout, then $$T=int_0^Sds=S$$ And lastly for more complicated curves, if they can be broken up piecewise into curves of these three types, you are set.






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              Can anyone intuitively explain why the latter works as well?




              It's easier to understand if the curve is parametrized by arc length. Also, I find it easier to understand the relation $T=S+rW$ relating absolute lengths than the relation $T/C=S/C+W/(2pi)$ relating counts of rotations.



              So let $s$ parametrize the curve by arc length. I'll also assume that the rotating circle is along the "outside" of the curve the entire time, and that $kappa$ is nonzero. At the point of tangency, there is the osculating circle with radius $1/kappa(s)$. The rotating circle has radius $r$. So the center of the rotating circle is (for an infinitesimal moment) tracing a circular path with radius $r+1/kappa(s)$.



              Over a short length $ds$ within the curve, the length of the circular arc that the center travels through can be calculated using proportional reasoning:



              $$dt=frac{r+1/kappa(s)}{1/kappa(s)}ds=(1+rkappa(s))ds$$



              enter image description here



              Now integrate over $s$ and you get the arc length through which the center passes. That is, $$T=int_0^S(1+rkappa(s)),ds$$



              But break it up into two integrals:
              $$begin{align}
              T&=int_0^Sds+rint_0^Skappa(s),ds\
              T&=S+rW
              end{align}$$



              Now divide by $C$ to get the form you have observed.





              If the rotating circle is along the "inside", then the same reasoning changes the integral for $T$ to $$T=int_0^S(1-rkappa(s)),ds$$ If the curve has zero curvature throughout, then $$T=int_0^Sds=S$$ And lastly for more complicated curves, if they can be broken up piecewise into curves of these three types, you are set.






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                Can anyone intuitively explain why the latter works as well?




                It's easier to understand if the curve is parametrized by arc length. Also, I find it easier to understand the relation $T=S+rW$ relating absolute lengths than the relation $T/C=S/C+W/(2pi)$ relating counts of rotations.



                So let $s$ parametrize the curve by arc length. I'll also assume that the rotating circle is along the "outside" of the curve the entire time, and that $kappa$ is nonzero. At the point of tangency, there is the osculating circle with radius $1/kappa(s)$. The rotating circle has radius $r$. So the center of the rotating circle is (for an infinitesimal moment) tracing a circular path with radius $r+1/kappa(s)$.



                Over a short length $ds$ within the curve, the length of the circular arc that the center travels through can be calculated using proportional reasoning:



                $$dt=frac{r+1/kappa(s)}{1/kappa(s)}ds=(1+rkappa(s))ds$$



                enter image description here



                Now integrate over $s$ and you get the arc length through which the center passes. That is, $$T=int_0^S(1+rkappa(s)),ds$$



                But break it up into two integrals:
                $$begin{align}
                T&=int_0^Sds+rint_0^Skappa(s),ds\
                T&=S+rW
                end{align}$$



                Now divide by $C$ to get the form you have observed.





                If the rotating circle is along the "inside", then the same reasoning changes the integral for $T$ to $$T=int_0^S(1-rkappa(s)),ds$$ If the curve has zero curvature throughout, then $$T=int_0^Sds=S$$ And lastly for more complicated curves, if they can be broken up piecewise into curves of these three types, you are set.






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                Can anyone intuitively explain why the latter works as well?




                It's easier to understand if the curve is parametrized by arc length. Also, I find it easier to understand the relation $T=S+rW$ relating absolute lengths than the relation $T/C=S/C+W/(2pi)$ relating counts of rotations.



                So let $s$ parametrize the curve by arc length. I'll also assume that the rotating circle is along the "outside" of the curve the entire time, and that $kappa$ is nonzero. At the point of tangency, there is the osculating circle with radius $1/kappa(s)$. The rotating circle has radius $r$. So the center of the rotating circle is (for an infinitesimal moment) tracing a circular path with radius $r+1/kappa(s)$.



                Over a short length $ds$ within the curve, the length of the circular arc that the center travels through can be calculated using proportional reasoning:



                $$dt=frac{r+1/kappa(s)}{1/kappa(s)}ds=(1+rkappa(s))ds$$



                enter image description here



                Now integrate over $s$ and you get the arc length through which the center passes. That is, $$T=int_0^S(1+rkappa(s)),ds$$



                But break it up into two integrals:
                $$begin{align}
                T&=int_0^Sds+rint_0^Skappa(s),ds\
                T&=S+rW
                end{align}$$



                Now divide by $C$ to get the form you have observed.





                If the rotating circle is along the "inside", then the same reasoning changes the integral for $T$ to $$T=int_0^S(1-rkappa(s)),ds$$ If the curve has zero curvature throughout, then $$T=int_0^Sds=S$$ And lastly for more complicated curves, if they can be broken up piecewise into curves of these three types, you are set.







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