Help calculating $lim_{x to infty} left( sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} right)$
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I need some help calculating this limit:
$$lim_{x to infty} left( sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} right)$$
I know it's equal to 1 but I have no idea how to get there. Can anyone give me a tip? I can't use l'Hopital. Thanks a lot.
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I need some help calculating this limit:
$$lim_{x to infty} left( sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} right)$$
I know it's equal to 1 but I have no idea how to get there. Can anyone give me a tip? I can't use l'Hopital. Thanks a lot.
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Generally, terms like this scream out difference of squares.
– copper.hat
Nov 15 at 21:13
Yep. Or derivative.
– I like Serena
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Possible duplicate of How to evaluate $lim_{x to infty}left(sqrt{x+sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x-sqrt{x}}right)$?
– Martin Sleziak
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I need some help calculating this limit:
$$lim_{x to infty} left( sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} right)$$
I know it's equal to 1 but I have no idea how to get there. Can anyone give me a tip? I can't use l'Hopital. Thanks a lot.
limits radicals limits-without-lhopital
I need some help calculating this limit:
$$lim_{x to infty} left( sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} right)$$
I know it's equal to 1 but I have no idea how to get there. Can anyone give me a tip? I can't use l'Hopital. Thanks a lot.
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Generally, terms like this scream out difference of squares.
– copper.hat
Nov 15 at 21:13
Yep. Or derivative.
– I like Serena
Nov 15 at 22:07
Possible duplicate of How to evaluate $lim_{x to infty}left(sqrt{x+sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x-sqrt{x}}right)$?
– Martin Sleziak
Nov 16 at 12:24
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Generally, terms like this scream out difference of squares.
– copper.hat
Nov 15 at 21:13
Yep. Or derivative.
– I like Serena
Nov 15 at 22:07
Possible duplicate of How to evaluate $lim_{x to infty}left(sqrt{x+sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x-sqrt{x}}right)$?
– Martin Sleziak
Nov 16 at 12:24
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Generally, terms like this scream out difference of squares.
– copper.hat
Nov 15 at 21:13
Generally, terms like this scream out difference of squares.
– copper.hat
Nov 15 at 21:13
Yep. Or derivative.
– I like Serena
Nov 15 at 22:07
Yep. Or derivative.
– I like Serena
Nov 15 at 22:07
Possible duplicate of How to evaluate $lim_{x to infty}left(sqrt{x+sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x-sqrt{x}}right)$?
– Martin Sleziak
Nov 16 at 12:24
Possible duplicate of How to evaluate $lim_{x to infty}left(sqrt{x+sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x-sqrt{x}}right)$?
– Martin Sleziak
Nov 16 at 12:24
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I guess you need a basic method that preceeds the l'Hospital's rule.
Set $x=a^2,; a>0.$ The limit rewrites
$$ begin{aligned}sqrt{a^2+a} - sqrt{a^2-a}=&;left(sqrt{a^2+a} - sqrt{a^2-a}right)frac{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}\
=&;frac{2a}{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}\=&;
frac{2}{sqrt{1+a^{-1}}+sqrt{1-a^{-1}}}to 1; {text {as}}; a to inftyend{aligned}$$
My first answer
$$ begin{aligned}sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}}=&;
sqrt{sqrt{x}(sqrt{x}+1)} - sqrt{sqrt{x}(sqrt{x}-1)}\=&;
sqrt[4]{x}left( sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}-sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}right)\
=&; sqrt[4]{x}left( sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}-sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}right)cdotfrac{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}\=&;
sqrt[4]{x}cdotfrac{2}{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}\=&;
frac{2}{sqrt{1+x^{-1/4}}+sqrt{1-x^{-1/4}}}end{aligned}$$ from where the limit is $1.$
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How is this different from Gimusi's post?
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It seems OP did not know to continue from Gimusi's hint.
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By Lagrange's theorem, $a>b>0$ ensures $sqrt{a}-sqrt{b} = (a-b)frac{1}{2sqrt{c}}$ with $cin(b,a)$.
If we let $a=x+sqrt{x}$ and $b=x-sqrt{x}$ we get
$$ sqrt{x+sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x-sqrt{x}} = frac{2sqrt{x}}{2sqrt{c}},quad cin(x-sqrt{x},x+sqrt{x})$$
and since $sqrt{xpmsqrt{x}}=sqrt{x}(1+o(1))$ the outcome is clear.
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Let $x=left(frac{t+1}{t-1}right)^2$ with $tto 1$.
Then, evaluate the limit
$$lim_{tto1}frac{sqrt 2 sqrt{t+1}}{1+sqrt{t}}$$
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HINT
Use that
$$ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} =left( sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} right)frac{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}}+ sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }=$$
$$=frac{ x + sqrt{x}- x + sqrt{x} }{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }$$
Hmm, sure, but then?
– Lowie
Nov 15 at 21:26
@Lowie Recall that $(A-B)(A+B)=A^2-B^2$
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I am fond of explicit inequalities that can be confirmed by hand... For real $u geq 2,$ we find
$$ left( u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} right)^2 < u^2 - u < left( u - frac{1}{2} right)^2 $$
$$ left( u + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8u} right)^2 < u^2 + u < left( u + frac{1}{2} right)^2 $$
We need $u geq 2$ because
$$ left( u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} right)^2 = u^2 - u -frac{7}{4} + frac{1}{u} +frac{1}{u^2} $$
so $u=1$ does not give the inequality we want.
$$ $$
$$ u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} < sqrt{u^2 - u} < u - frac{1}{2} $$
$$ u + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8u} < sqrt{u^2 + u} < u + frac{1}{2} $$
Take
$$ u = sqrt x $$
so $x geq 4$
$$ sqrt x - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{ sqrt x} < sqrt{x - sqrt x} < sqrt x - frac{1}{2} $$
$$ sqrt x + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8 sqrt x} < sqrt{x + sqrt x} < sqrt x + frac{1}{2} $$
Subtract
$$ 1 - frac{1}{8 sqrt x} < sqrt{x + sqrt x} - sqrt{x - sqrt x}< 1 + frac{1}{ sqrt x} $$
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4 0.9375 1.035276180410083 1.5
5 0.9440983005625052 1.027486296746016 1.447213595499958
6 0.9489689636920171 1.022520831033128 1.408248290463863
7 0.9527544408738466 1.019077329344677 1.377964473009227
8 0.9558058261758408 1.016548303281371 1.353553390593274
9 0.9583333333333334 1.014611872354577 1.333333333333333
10 0.9604715292478953 1.01308145723319 1.316227766016838
11 0.9623110819277796 1.011841408817098 1.301511344577764
12 0.9639156081756484 1.010816211706107 1.288675134594813
13 0.9653312377359232 1.009954457590246 1.277350098112615
14 0.9665923447609469 1.009219933184 1.267261241912424
15 0.9677251387816048 1.008586390757442 1.258198889747161
16 0.96875 1.008034339861825 1.25
17 0.9696830468704584 1.00754900380017 1.242535625036333
18 0.9705372174505605 1.007118975557603 1.235702260395516
19 0.9713230332661797 1.006735308900081 1.229415733870562
20 0.9720491502812526 1.006390888653184 1.223606797749979
21 0.9727227637205009 1.006079984972172 1.218217890235992
22 0.9733499104555488 1.005797931788809 1.21320071635561
23 0.9739356982428656 1.005540890860252 1.208514414057075
24 0.9744844818460086 1.005305675959844 1.204124145231932
25 0.975 1.005089620052082 1.2
26 0.975485483107727 1.004890473669719 1.196116135138184
27 0.9759437387837656 1.004706326263013 1.192450089729875
28 0.9763772204369233 1.004535544682177 1.188982236504614
29 0.9767880827278685 1.004376724590913 1.185695338177052
30 0.9771782267706181 1.00422865174695 1.182574185835055
31 0.9775493372466532 1.004090270888218 1.179605302026775
32 0.9779029130879204 1.003960660536812 1.176776695296637
33 0.9782402930055377 1.003839012447871 1.174077655955698
34 0.9785626768571863 1.003724614734089 1.171498585142509
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After you've multiplied by the sum of squares to get $2 sqrt{x}$ in the numerator, in the denominator you have $sqrt{x +sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - {sqrt{x}}}$, so 'pull out' $sqrt{x}$ to get $sqrt{x} (sqrt{1 + frac{1}{sqrt{x}}} + sqrt{1 - frac{1}{sqrt{x}}}$. After the cancellation and limit you get 1.
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First get rid of $sqrt{x}$ and of $infty$ with the substitution $t=1/sqrt{x}$, that transforms the limit into
$$
lim_{tto0^+}left(
sqrt{frac{1}{t^2}+frac{1}{t}}-sqrt{frac{1}{t^2}-frac{1}{t}}
right)=
lim_{tto0^+}frac{sqrt{1+t}-sqrt{1-t}}{t}
$$
This is the derivative at $0$ of $f(t)=sqrt{1+t}-sqrt{1-t}$; since
$$
f'(t)=frac{1}{2sqrt{1+t}}+frac{1}{2sqrt{1-t}}
$$
we have $f'(0)=1$.
Alternatively, multiply by the conjugate:
$$
lim_{tto0^+}frac{(1+t)-(1-t)}{t(sqrt{1+t}+sqrt{1-t})}
$$
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EDIT
I guess you need a basic method that preceeds the l'Hospital's rule.
Set $x=a^2,; a>0.$ The limit rewrites
$$ begin{aligned}sqrt{a^2+a} - sqrt{a^2-a}=&;left(sqrt{a^2+a} - sqrt{a^2-a}right)frac{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}\
=&;frac{2a}{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}\=&;
frac{2}{sqrt{1+a^{-1}}+sqrt{1-a^{-1}}}to 1; {text {as}}; a to inftyend{aligned}$$
My first answer
$$ begin{aligned}sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}}=&;
sqrt{sqrt{x}(sqrt{x}+1)} - sqrt{sqrt{x}(sqrt{x}-1)}\=&;
sqrt[4]{x}left( sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}-sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}right)\
=&; sqrt[4]{x}left( sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}-sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}right)cdotfrac{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}\=&;
sqrt[4]{x}cdotfrac{2}{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}\=&;
frac{2}{sqrt{1+x^{-1/4}}+sqrt{1-x^{-1/4}}}end{aligned}$$ from where the limit is $1.$
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How is this different from Gimusi's post?
– Mark Viola
Nov 15 at 21:45
It seems OP did not know to continue from Gimusi's hint.
– user376343
Nov 15 at 21:49
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EDIT
I guess you need a basic method that preceeds the l'Hospital's rule.
Set $x=a^2,; a>0.$ The limit rewrites
$$ begin{aligned}sqrt{a^2+a} - sqrt{a^2-a}=&;left(sqrt{a^2+a} - sqrt{a^2-a}right)frac{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}\
=&;frac{2a}{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}\=&;
frac{2}{sqrt{1+a^{-1}}+sqrt{1-a^{-1}}}to 1; {text {as}}; a to inftyend{aligned}$$
My first answer
$$ begin{aligned}sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}}=&;
sqrt{sqrt{x}(sqrt{x}+1)} - sqrt{sqrt{x}(sqrt{x}-1)}\=&;
sqrt[4]{x}left( sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}-sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}right)\
=&; sqrt[4]{x}left( sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}-sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}right)cdotfrac{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}\=&;
sqrt[4]{x}cdotfrac{2}{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}\=&;
frac{2}{sqrt{1+x^{-1/4}}+sqrt{1-x^{-1/4}}}end{aligned}$$ from where the limit is $1.$
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How is this different from Gimusi's post?
– Mark Viola
Nov 15 at 21:45
It seems OP did not know to continue from Gimusi's hint.
– user376343
Nov 15 at 21:49
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EDIT
I guess you need a basic method that preceeds the l'Hospital's rule.
Set $x=a^2,; a>0.$ The limit rewrites
$$ begin{aligned}sqrt{a^2+a} - sqrt{a^2-a}=&;left(sqrt{a^2+a} - sqrt{a^2-a}right)frac{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}\
=&;frac{2a}{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}\=&;
frac{2}{sqrt{1+a^{-1}}+sqrt{1-a^{-1}}}to 1; {text {as}}; a to inftyend{aligned}$$
My first answer
$$ begin{aligned}sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}}=&;
sqrt{sqrt{x}(sqrt{x}+1)} - sqrt{sqrt{x}(sqrt{x}-1)}\=&;
sqrt[4]{x}left( sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}-sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}right)\
=&; sqrt[4]{x}left( sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}-sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}right)cdotfrac{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}\=&;
sqrt[4]{x}cdotfrac{2}{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}\=&;
frac{2}{sqrt{1+x^{-1/4}}+sqrt{1-x^{-1/4}}}end{aligned}$$ from where the limit is $1.$
EDIT
I guess you need a basic method that preceeds the l'Hospital's rule.
Set $x=a^2,; a>0.$ The limit rewrites
$$ begin{aligned}sqrt{a^2+a} - sqrt{a^2-a}=&;left(sqrt{a^2+a} - sqrt{a^2-a}right)frac{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}\
=&;frac{2a}{sqrt{a^2+a}+sqrt{a^2-a}}\=&;
frac{2}{sqrt{1+a^{-1}}+sqrt{1-a^{-1}}}to 1; {text {as}}; a to inftyend{aligned}$$
My first answer
$$ begin{aligned}sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}}=&;
sqrt{sqrt{x}(sqrt{x}+1)} - sqrt{sqrt{x}(sqrt{x}-1)}\=&;
sqrt[4]{x}left( sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}-sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}right)\
=&; sqrt[4]{x}left( sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}-sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}right)cdotfrac{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}\=&;
sqrt[4]{x}cdotfrac{2}{sqrt{sqrt{x}+1}+sqrt{sqrt{x}-1}}\=&;
frac{2}{sqrt{1+x^{-1/4}}+sqrt{1-x^{-1/4}}}end{aligned}$$ from where the limit is $1.$
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How is this different from Gimusi's post?
– Mark Viola
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It seems OP did not know to continue from Gimusi's hint.
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How is this different from Gimusi's post?
– Mark Viola
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It seems OP did not know to continue from Gimusi's hint.
– user376343
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How is this different from Gimusi's post?
– Mark Viola
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How is this different from Gimusi's post?
– Mark Viola
Nov 15 at 21:45
It seems OP did not know to continue from Gimusi's hint.
– user376343
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It seems OP did not know to continue from Gimusi's hint.
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By Lagrange's theorem, $a>b>0$ ensures $sqrt{a}-sqrt{b} = (a-b)frac{1}{2sqrt{c}}$ with $cin(b,a)$.
If we let $a=x+sqrt{x}$ and $b=x-sqrt{x}$ we get
$$ sqrt{x+sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x-sqrt{x}} = frac{2sqrt{x}}{2sqrt{c}},quad cin(x-sqrt{x},x+sqrt{x})$$
and since $sqrt{xpmsqrt{x}}=sqrt{x}(1+o(1))$ the outcome is clear.
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By Lagrange's theorem, $a>b>0$ ensures $sqrt{a}-sqrt{b} = (a-b)frac{1}{2sqrt{c}}$ with $cin(b,a)$.
If we let $a=x+sqrt{x}$ and $b=x-sqrt{x}$ we get
$$ sqrt{x+sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x-sqrt{x}} = frac{2sqrt{x}}{2sqrt{c}},quad cin(x-sqrt{x},x+sqrt{x})$$
and since $sqrt{xpmsqrt{x}}=sqrt{x}(1+o(1))$ the outcome is clear.
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By Lagrange's theorem, $a>b>0$ ensures $sqrt{a}-sqrt{b} = (a-b)frac{1}{2sqrt{c}}$ with $cin(b,a)$.
If we let $a=x+sqrt{x}$ and $b=x-sqrt{x}$ we get
$$ sqrt{x+sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x-sqrt{x}} = frac{2sqrt{x}}{2sqrt{c}},quad cin(x-sqrt{x},x+sqrt{x})$$
and since $sqrt{xpmsqrt{x}}=sqrt{x}(1+o(1))$ the outcome is clear.
By Lagrange's theorem, $a>b>0$ ensures $sqrt{a}-sqrt{b} = (a-b)frac{1}{2sqrt{c}}$ with $cin(b,a)$.
If we let $a=x+sqrt{x}$ and $b=x-sqrt{x}$ we get
$$ sqrt{x+sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x-sqrt{x}} = frac{2sqrt{x}}{2sqrt{c}},quad cin(x-sqrt{x},x+sqrt{x})$$
and since $sqrt{xpmsqrt{x}}=sqrt{x}(1+o(1))$ the outcome is clear.
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Let $x=left(frac{t+1}{t-1}right)^2$ with $tto 1$.
Then, evaluate the limit
$$lim_{tto1}frac{sqrt 2 sqrt{t+1}}{1+sqrt{t}}$$
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Let $x=left(frac{t+1}{t-1}right)^2$ with $tto 1$.
Then, evaluate the limit
$$lim_{tto1}frac{sqrt 2 sqrt{t+1}}{1+sqrt{t}}$$
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Let $x=left(frac{t+1}{t-1}right)^2$ with $tto 1$.
Then, evaluate the limit
$$lim_{tto1}frac{sqrt 2 sqrt{t+1}}{1+sqrt{t}}$$
Let $x=left(frac{t+1}{t-1}right)^2$ with $tto 1$.
Then, evaluate the limit
$$lim_{tto1}frac{sqrt 2 sqrt{t+1}}{1+sqrt{t}}$$
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HINT
Use that
$$ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} =left( sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} right)frac{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}}+ sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }=$$
$$=frac{ x + sqrt{x}- x + sqrt{x} }{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }$$
Hmm, sure, but then?
– Lowie
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@Lowie Recall that $(A-B)(A+B)=A^2-B^2$
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HINT
Use that
$$ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} =left( sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} right)frac{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}}+ sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }=$$
$$=frac{ x + sqrt{x}- x + sqrt{x} }{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }$$
Hmm, sure, but then?
– Lowie
Nov 15 at 21:26
@Lowie Recall that $(A-B)(A+B)=A^2-B^2$
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HINT
Use that
$$ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} =left( sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} right)frac{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}}+ sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }=$$
$$=frac{ x + sqrt{x}- x + sqrt{x} }{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }$$
HINT
Use that
$$ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} =left( sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} - sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} right)frac{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}}+ sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }=$$
$$=frac{ x + sqrt{x}- x + sqrt{x} }{ sqrt{x + sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - sqrt{x}} }$$
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Hmm, sure, but then?
– Lowie
Nov 15 at 21:26
@Lowie Recall that $(A-B)(A+B)=A^2-B^2$
– gimusi
Nov 15 at 21:29
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Hmm, sure, but then?
– Lowie
Nov 15 at 21:26
@Lowie Recall that $(A-B)(A+B)=A^2-B^2$
– gimusi
Nov 15 at 21:29
Hmm, sure, but then?
– Lowie
Nov 15 at 21:26
Hmm, sure, but then?
– Lowie
Nov 15 at 21:26
@Lowie Recall that $(A-B)(A+B)=A^2-B^2$
– gimusi
Nov 15 at 21:29
@Lowie Recall that $(A-B)(A+B)=A^2-B^2$
– gimusi
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I am fond of explicit inequalities that can be confirmed by hand... For real $u geq 2,$ we find
$$ left( u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} right)^2 < u^2 - u < left( u - frac{1}{2} right)^2 $$
$$ left( u + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8u} right)^2 < u^2 + u < left( u + frac{1}{2} right)^2 $$
We need $u geq 2$ because
$$ left( u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} right)^2 = u^2 - u -frac{7}{4} + frac{1}{u} +frac{1}{u^2} $$
so $u=1$ does not give the inequality we want.
$$ $$
$$ u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} < sqrt{u^2 - u} < u - frac{1}{2} $$
$$ u + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8u} < sqrt{u^2 + u} < u + frac{1}{2} $$
Take
$$ u = sqrt x $$
so $x geq 4$
$$ sqrt x - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{ sqrt x} < sqrt{x - sqrt x} < sqrt x - frac{1}{2} $$
$$ sqrt x + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8 sqrt x} < sqrt{x + sqrt x} < sqrt x + frac{1}{2} $$
Subtract
$$ 1 - frac{1}{8 sqrt x} < sqrt{x + sqrt x} - sqrt{x - sqrt x}< 1 + frac{1}{ sqrt x} $$
x lower bound actual upper bound
4 0.9375 1.035276180410083 1.5
5 0.9440983005625052 1.027486296746016 1.447213595499958
6 0.9489689636920171 1.022520831033128 1.408248290463863
7 0.9527544408738466 1.019077329344677 1.377964473009227
8 0.9558058261758408 1.016548303281371 1.353553390593274
9 0.9583333333333334 1.014611872354577 1.333333333333333
10 0.9604715292478953 1.01308145723319 1.316227766016838
11 0.9623110819277796 1.011841408817098 1.301511344577764
12 0.9639156081756484 1.010816211706107 1.288675134594813
13 0.9653312377359232 1.009954457590246 1.277350098112615
14 0.9665923447609469 1.009219933184 1.267261241912424
15 0.9677251387816048 1.008586390757442 1.258198889747161
16 0.96875 1.008034339861825 1.25
17 0.9696830468704584 1.00754900380017 1.242535625036333
18 0.9705372174505605 1.007118975557603 1.235702260395516
19 0.9713230332661797 1.006735308900081 1.229415733870562
20 0.9720491502812526 1.006390888653184 1.223606797749979
21 0.9727227637205009 1.006079984972172 1.218217890235992
22 0.9733499104555488 1.005797931788809 1.21320071635561
23 0.9739356982428656 1.005540890860252 1.208514414057075
24 0.9744844818460086 1.005305675959844 1.204124145231932
25 0.975 1.005089620052082 1.2
26 0.975485483107727 1.004890473669719 1.196116135138184
27 0.9759437387837656 1.004706326263013 1.192450089729875
28 0.9763772204369233 1.004535544682177 1.188982236504614
29 0.9767880827278685 1.004376724590913 1.185695338177052
30 0.9771782267706181 1.00422865174695 1.182574185835055
31 0.9775493372466532 1.004090270888218 1.179605302026775
32 0.9779029130879204 1.003960660536812 1.176776695296637
33 0.9782402930055377 1.003839012447871 1.174077655955698
34 0.9785626768571863 1.003724614734089 1.171498585142509
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I am fond of explicit inequalities that can be confirmed by hand... For real $u geq 2,$ we find
$$ left( u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} right)^2 < u^2 - u < left( u - frac{1}{2} right)^2 $$
$$ left( u + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8u} right)^2 < u^2 + u < left( u + frac{1}{2} right)^2 $$
We need $u geq 2$ because
$$ left( u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} right)^2 = u^2 - u -frac{7}{4} + frac{1}{u} +frac{1}{u^2} $$
so $u=1$ does not give the inequality we want.
$$ $$
$$ u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} < sqrt{u^2 - u} < u - frac{1}{2} $$
$$ u + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8u} < sqrt{u^2 + u} < u + frac{1}{2} $$
Take
$$ u = sqrt x $$
so $x geq 4$
$$ sqrt x - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{ sqrt x} < sqrt{x - sqrt x} < sqrt x - frac{1}{2} $$
$$ sqrt x + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8 sqrt x} < sqrt{x + sqrt x} < sqrt x + frac{1}{2} $$
Subtract
$$ 1 - frac{1}{8 sqrt x} < sqrt{x + sqrt x} - sqrt{x - sqrt x}< 1 + frac{1}{ sqrt x} $$
x lower bound actual upper bound
4 0.9375 1.035276180410083 1.5
5 0.9440983005625052 1.027486296746016 1.447213595499958
6 0.9489689636920171 1.022520831033128 1.408248290463863
7 0.9527544408738466 1.019077329344677 1.377964473009227
8 0.9558058261758408 1.016548303281371 1.353553390593274
9 0.9583333333333334 1.014611872354577 1.333333333333333
10 0.9604715292478953 1.01308145723319 1.316227766016838
11 0.9623110819277796 1.011841408817098 1.301511344577764
12 0.9639156081756484 1.010816211706107 1.288675134594813
13 0.9653312377359232 1.009954457590246 1.277350098112615
14 0.9665923447609469 1.009219933184 1.267261241912424
15 0.9677251387816048 1.008586390757442 1.258198889747161
16 0.96875 1.008034339861825 1.25
17 0.9696830468704584 1.00754900380017 1.242535625036333
18 0.9705372174505605 1.007118975557603 1.235702260395516
19 0.9713230332661797 1.006735308900081 1.229415733870562
20 0.9720491502812526 1.006390888653184 1.223606797749979
21 0.9727227637205009 1.006079984972172 1.218217890235992
22 0.9733499104555488 1.005797931788809 1.21320071635561
23 0.9739356982428656 1.005540890860252 1.208514414057075
24 0.9744844818460086 1.005305675959844 1.204124145231932
25 0.975 1.005089620052082 1.2
26 0.975485483107727 1.004890473669719 1.196116135138184
27 0.9759437387837656 1.004706326263013 1.192450089729875
28 0.9763772204369233 1.004535544682177 1.188982236504614
29 0.9767880827278685 1.004376724590913 1.185695338177052
30 0.9771782267706181 1.00422865174695 1.182574185835055
31 0.9775493372466532 1.004090270888218 1.179605302026775
32 0.9779029130879204 1.003960660536812 1.176776695296637
33 0.9782402930055377 1.003839012447871 1.174077655955698
34 0.9785626768571863 1.003724614734089 1.171498585142509
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I am fond of explicit inequalities that can be confirmed by hand... For real $u geq 2,$ we find
$$ left( u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} right)^2 < u^2 - u < left( u - frac{1}{2} right)^2 $$
$$ left( u + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8u} right)^2 < u^2 + u < left( u + frac{1}{2} right)^2 $$
We need $u geq 2$ because
$$ left( u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} right)^2 = u^2 - u -frac{7}{4} + frac{1}{u} +frac{1}{u^2} $$
so $u=1$ does not give the inequality we want.
$$ $$
$$ u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} < sqrt{u^2 - u} < u - frac{1}{2} $$
$$ u + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8u} < sqrt{u^2 + u} < u + frac{1}{2} $$
Take
$$ u = sqrt x $$
so $x geq 4$
$$ sqrt x - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{ sqrt x} < sqrt{x - sqrt x} < sqrt x - frac{1}{2} $$
$$ sqrt x + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8 sqrt x} < sqrt{x + sqrt x} < sqrt x + frac{1}{2} $$
Subtract
$$ 1 - frac{1}{8 sqrt x} < sqrt{x + sqrt x} - sqrt{x - sqrt x}< 1 + frac{1}{ sqrt x} $$
x lower bound actual upper bound
4 0.9375 1.035276180410083 1.5
5 0.9440983005625052 1.027486296746016 1.447213595499958
6 0.9489689636920171 1.022520831033128 1.408248290463863
7 0.9527544408738466 1.019077329344677 1.377964473009227
8 0.9558058261758408 1.016548303281371 1.353553390593274
9 0.9583333333333334 1.014611872354577 1.333333333333333
10 0.9604715292478953 1.01308145723319 1.316227766016838
11 0.9623110819277796 1.011841408817098 1.301511344577764
12 0.9639156081756484 1.010816211706107 1.288675134594813
13 0.9653312377359232 1.009954457590246 1.277350098112615
14 0.9665923447609469 1.009219933184 1.267261241912424
15 0.9677251387816048 1.008586390757442 1.258198889747161
16 0.96875 1.008034339861825 1.25
17 0.9696830468704584 1.00754900380017 1.242535625036333
18 0.9705372174505605 1.007118975557603 1.235702260395516
19 0.9713230332661797 1.006735308900081 1.229415733870562
20 0.9720491502812526 1.006390888653184 1.223606797749979
21 0.9727227637205009 1.006079984972172 1.218217890235992
22 0.9733499104555488 1.005797931788809 1.21320071635561
23 0.9739356982428656 1.005540890860252 1.208514414057075
24 0.9744844818460086 1.005305675959844 1.204124145231932
25 0.975 1.005089620052082 1.2
26 0.975485483107727 1.004890473669719 1.196116135138184
27 0.9759437387837656 1.004706326263013 1.192450089729875
28 0.9763772204369233 1.004535544682177 1.188982236504614
29 0.9767880827278685 1.004376724590913 1.185695338177052
30 0.9771782267706181 1.00422865174695 1.182574185835055
31 0.9775493372466532 1.004090270888218 1.179605302026775
32 0.9779029130879204 1.003960660536812 1.176776695296637
33 0.9782402930055377 1.003839012447871 1.174077655955698
34 0.9785626768571863 1.003724614734089 1.171498585142509
I am fond of explicit inequalities that can be confirmed by hand... For real $u geq 2,$ we find
$$ left( u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} right)^2 < u^2 - u < left( u - frac{1}{2} right)^2 $$
$$ left( u + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8u} right)^2 < u^2 + u < left( u + frac{1}{2} right)^2 $$
We need $u geq 2$ because
$$ left( u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} right)^2 = u^2 - u -frac{7}{4} + frac{1}{u} +frac{1}{u^2} $$
so $u=1$ does not give the inequality we want.
$$ $$
$$ u - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{u} < sqrt{u^2 - u} < u - frac{1}{2} $$
$$ u + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8u} < sqrt{u^2 + u} < u + frac{1}{2} $$
Take
$$ u = sqrt x $$
so $x geq 4$
$$ sqrt x - frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{ sqrt x} < sqrt{x - sqrt x} < sqrt x - frac{1}{2} $$
$$ sqrt x + frac{1}{2} - frac{1}{8 sqrt x} < sqrt{x + sqrt x} < sqrt x + frac{1}{2} $$
Subtract
$$ 1 - frac{1}{8 sqrt x} < sqrt{x + sqrt x} - sqrt{x - sqrt x}< 1 + frac{1}{ sqrt x} $$
x lower bound actual upper bound
4 0.9375 1.035276180410083 1.5
5 0.9440983005625052 1.027486296746016 1.447213595499958
6 0.9489689636920171 1.022520831033128 1.408248290463863
7 0.9527544408738466 1.019077329344677 1.377964473009227
8 0.9558058261758408 1.016548303281371 1.353553390593274
9 0.9583333333333334 1.014611872354577 1.333333333333333
10 0.9604715292478953 1.01308145723319 1.316227766016838
11 0.9623110819277796 1.011841408817098 1.301511344577764
12 0.9639156081756484 1.010816211706107 1.288675134594813
13 0.9653312377359232 1.009954457590246 1.277350098112615
14 0.9665923447609469 1.009219933184 1.267261241912424
15 0.9677251387816048 1.008586390757442 1.258198889747161
16 0.96875 1.008034339861825 1.25
17 0.9696830468704584 1.00754900380017 1.242535625036333
18 0.9705372174505605 1.007118975557603 1.235702260395516
19 0.9713230332661797 1.006735308900081 1.229415733870562
20 0.9720491502812526 1.006390888653184 1.223606797749979
21 0.9727227637205009 1.006079984972172 1.218217890235992
22 0.9733499104555488 1.005797931788809 1.21320071635561
23 0.9739356982428656 1.005540890860252 1.208514414057075
24 0.9744844818460086 1.005305675959844 1.204124145231932
25 0.975 1.005089620052082 1.2
26 0.975485483107727 1.004890473669719 1.196116135138184
27 0.9759437387837656 1.004706326263013 1.192450089729875
28 0.9763772204369233 1.004535544682177 1.188982236504614
29 0.9767880827278685 1.004376724590913 1.185695338177052
30 0.9771782267706181 1.00422865174695 1.182574185835055
31 0.9775493372466532 1.004090270888218 1.179605302026775
32 0.9779029130879204 1.003960660536812 1.176776695296637
33 0.9782402930055377 1.003839012447871 1.174077655955698
34 0.9785626768571863 1.003724614734089 1.171498585142509
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After you've multiplied by the sum of squares to get $2 sqrt{x}$ in the numerator, in the denominator you have $sqrt{x +sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - {sqrt{x}}}$, so 'pull out' $sqrt{x}$ to get $sqrt{x} (sqrt{1 + frac{1}{sqrt{x}}} + sqrt{1 - frac{1}{sqrt{x}}}$. After the cancellation and limit you get 1.
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After you've multiplied by the sum of squares to get $2 sqrt{x}$ in the numerator, in the denominator you have $sqrt{x +sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - {sqrt{x}}}$, so 'pull out' $sqrt{x}$ to get $sqrt{x} (sqrt{1 + frac{1}{sqrt{x}}} + sqrt{1 - frac{1}{sqrt{x}}}$. After the cancellation and limit you get 1.
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After you've multiplied by the sum of squares to get $2 sqrt{x}$ in the numerator, in the denominator you have $sqrt{x +sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - {sqrt{x}}}$, so 'pull out' $sqrt{x}$ to get $sqrt{x} (sqrt{1 + frac{1}{sqrt{x}}} + sqrt{1 - frac{1}{sqrt{x}}}$. After the cancellation and limit you get 1.
After you've multiplied by the sum of squares to get $2 sqrt{x}$ in the numerator, in the denominator you have $sqrt{x +sqrt{x}} + sqrt{x - {sqrt{x}}}$, so 'pull out' $sqrt{x}$ to get $sqrt{x} (sqrt{1 + frac{1}{sqrt{x}}} + sqrt{1 - frac{1}{sqrt{x}}}$. After the cancellation and limit you get 1.
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First get rid of $sqrt{x}$ and of $infty$ with the substitution $t=1/sqrt{x}$, that transforms the limit into
$$
lim_{tto0^+}left(
sqrt{frac{1}{t^2}+frac{1}{t}}-sqrt{frac{1}{t^2}-frac{1}{t}}
right)=
lim_{tto0^+}frac{sqrt{1+t}-sqrt{1-t}}{t}
$$
This is the derivative at $0$ of $f(t)=sqrt{1+t}-sqrt{1-t}$; since
$$
f'(t)=frac{1}{2sqrt{1+t}}+frac{1}{2sqrt{1-t}}
$$
we have $f'(0)=1$.
Alternatively, multiply by the conjugate:
$$
lim_{tto0^+}frac{(1+t)-(1-t)}{t(sqrt{1+t}+sqrt{1-t})}
$$
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First get rid of $sqrt{x}$ and of $infty$ with the substitution $t=1/sqrt{x}$, that transforms the limit into
$$
lim_{tto0^+}left(
sqrt{frac{1}{t^2}+frac{1}{t}}-sqrt{frac{1}{t^2}-frac{1}{t}}
right)=
lim_{tto0^+}frac{sqrt{1+t}-sqrt{1-t}}{t}
$$
This is the derivative at $0$ of $f(t)=sqrt{1+t}-sqrt{1-t}$; since
$$
f'(t)=frac{1}{2sqrt{1+t}}+frac{1}{2sqrt{1-t}}
$$
we have $f'(0)=1$.
Alternatively, multiply by the conjugate:
$$
lim_{tto0^+}frac{(1+t)-(1-t)}{t(sqrt{1+t}+sqrt{1-t})}
$$
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First get rid of $sqrt{x}$ and of $infty$ with the substitution $t=1/sqrt{x}$, that transforms the limit into
$$
lim_{tto0^+}left(
sqrt{frac{1}{t^2}+frac{1}{t}}-sqrt{frac{1}{t^2}-frac{1}{t}}
right)=
lim_{tto0^+}frac{sqrt{1+t}-sqrt{1-t}}{t}
$$
This is the derivative at $0$ of $f(t)=sqrt{1+t}-sqrt{1-t}$; since
$$
f'(t)=frac{1}{2sqrt{1+t}}+frac{1}{2sqrt{1-t}}
$$
we have $f'(0)=1$.
Alternatively, multiply by the conjugate:
$$
lim_{tto0^+}frac{(1+t)-(1-t)}{t(sqrt{1+t}+sqrt{1-t})}
$$
First get rid of $sqrt{x}$ and of $infty$ with the substitution $t=1/sqrt{x}$, that transforms the limit into
$$
lim_{tto0^+}left(
sqrt{frac{1}{t^2}+frac{1}{t}}-sqrt{frac{1}{t^2}-frac{1}{t}}
right)=
lim_{tto0^+}frac{sqrt{1+t}-sqrt{1-t}}{t}
$$
This is the derivative at $0$ of $f(t)=sqrt{1+t}-sqrt{1-t}$; since
$$
f'(t)=frac{1}{2sqrt{1+t}}+frac{1}{2sqrt{1-t}}
$$
we have $f'(0)=1$.
Alternatively, multiply by the conjugate:
$$
lim_{tto0^+}frac{(1+t)-(1-t)}{t(sqrt{1+t}+sqrt{1-t})}
$$
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Generally, terms like this scream out difference of squares.
– copper.hat
Nov 15 at 21:13
Yep. Or derivative.
– I like Serena
Nov 15 at 22:07
Possible duplicate of How to evaluate $lim_{x to infty}left(sqrt{x+sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x-sqrt{x}}right)$?
– Martin Sleziak
Nov 16 at 12:24