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I'm starting on double and line integrals, and I'm stuck at this question.
It asks of me to calculate the following integral without using Green's theorem. Usually with Green's theorem I use polar coordinates easily, but I can't seem to make the same substitution here.



$int_{L}{(2x-y)dx+(x-y)dy}$



$L = {(x,y): x^{2}+y^{2}=2y, xgeq0}cup{(x,y):x^{2}+y^{2}=4, xleq0,ygeq0} $



The curve $L$ is oriented from the point $(0,0)$, that is counter-clockwise.



I am not sure which subsitution to use. I always used Greens theorem so far. How would I go about solving this without it? I thought of using some parameter $t$ but couldn't quite specify its range. Thank you.










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I'm starting on double and line integrals, and I'm stuck at this question.
It asks of me to calculate the following integral without using Green's theorem. Usually with Green's theorem I use polar coordinates easily, but I can't seem to make the same substitution here.



$int_{L}{(2x-y)dx+(x-y)dy}$



$L = {(x,y): x^{2}+y^{2}=2y, xgeq0}cup{(x,y):x^{2}+y^{2}=4, xleq0,ygeq0} $



The curve $L$ is oriented from the point $(0,0)$, that is counter-clockwise.



I am not sure which subsitution to use. I always used Greens theorem so far. How would I go about solving this without it? I thought of using some parameter $t$ but couldn't quite specify its range. Thank you.










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I'm starting on double and line integrals, and I'm stuck at this question.
It asks of me to calculate the following integral without using Green's theorem. Usually with Green's theorem I use polar coordinates easily, but I can't seem to make the same substitution here.



$int_{L}{(2x-y)dx+(x-y)dy}$



$L = {(x,y): x^{2}+y^{2}=2y, xgeq0}cup{(x,y):x^{2}+y^{2}=4, xleq0,ygeq0} $



The curve $L$ is oriented from the point $(0,0)$, that is counter-clockwise.



I am not sure which subsitution to use. I always used Greens theorem so far. How would I go about solving this without it? I thought of using some parameter $t$ but couldn't quite specify its range. Thank you.










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I'm starting on double and line integrals, and I'm stuck at this question.
It asks of me to calculate the following integral without using Green's theorem. Usually with Green's theorem I use polar coordinates easily, but I can't seem to make the same substitution here.



$int_{L}{(2x-y)dx+(x-y)dy}$



$L = {(x,y): x^{2}+y^{2}=2y, xgeq0}cup{(x,y):x^{2}+y^{2}=4, xleq0,ygeq0} $



The curve $L$ is oriented from the point $(0,0)$, that is counter-clockwise.



I am not sure which subsitution to use. I always used Greens theorem so far. How would I go about solving this without it? I thought of using some parameter $t$ but couldn't quite specify its range. Thank you.







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You have two curves.



first part.



$x = 2sin tcos t = sin 2t\
y = 2sin^2 t = 1-cos 2t$



$int_limits{0}^{frac {pi}{2}} (2sin 2t + 1 - cos 2t )(2cos 2t)+(sin 2t +1-cos 2t)(2sin 2t) dt$



and the second part



$x = 2cos t\
y = 2sin t$



$int_limits{frac {pi}{2}}^{pi} (4cos t - 2sin t)(-2sin t)+(2cos t - sin t)(2cos t) dt$



If you wanted to use greens.



Then the you would add the straight line from $(-2,0)$ to $(0,0)$ to close the contour.



Then



$int_{C_1} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy + int_{C_2} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy = iint frac {partial P}{partial y} - frac{partial Q}{partial x} dA\
int_{C_1} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy = iint frac {partial P}{partial y} - frac{partial Q}{partial x} dA- int_{C_2} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy$






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  • Thanks, I understand everything except how you got the first parts parametric equations. Since the first part of the curve is the right side of a circle of radius 1 and y offset of 1, shouldn't y be $y=1+sin(t)$. And $x=cos(t)$.
    – math101
    Nov 20 at 22:32










  • You could use that parameterization, it would be for a different range of t. That is fine. I said, $x = rcos t, y = rsin t$ plugging into $x^2 + y^2 = 2y$ gives $r = 2sin t$ And put that back in for $r$ in the equations of $x,y$
    – Doug M
    Nov 20 at 22:42










  • So that's it! I see now , thanks!
    – math101
    Nov 20 at 23:13











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You have two curves.



first part.



$x = 2sin tcos t = sin 2t\
y = 2sin^2 t = 1-cos 2t$



$int_limits{0}^{frac {pi}{2}} (2sin 2t + 1 - cos 2t )(2cos 2t)+(sin 2t +1-cos 2t)(2sin 2t) dt$



and the second part



$x = 2cos t\
y = 2sin t$



$int_limits{frac {pi}{2}}^{pi} (4cos t - 2sin t)(-2sin t)+(2cos t - sin t)(2cos t) dt$



If you wanted to use greens.



Then the you would add the straight line from $(-2,0)$ to $(0,0)$ to close the contour.



Then



$int_{C_1} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy + int_{C_2} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy = iint frac {partial P}{partial y} - frac{partial Q}{partial x} dA\
int_{C_1} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy = iint frac {partial P}{partial y} - frac{partial Q}{partial x} dA- int_{C_2} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy$






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  • Thanks, I understand everything except how you got the first parts parametric equations. Since the first part of the curve is the right side of a circle of radius 1 and y offset of 1, shouldn't y be $y=1+sin(t)$. And $x=cos(t)$.
    – math101
    Nov 20 at 22:32










  • You could use that parameterization, it would be for a different range of t. That is fine. I said, $x = rcos t, y = rsin t$ plugging into $x^2 + y^2 = 2y$ gives $r = 2sin t$ And put that back in for $r$ in the equations of $x,y$
    – Doug M
    Nov 20 at 22:42










  • So that's it! I see now , thanks!
    – math101
    Nov 20 at 23:13















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You have two curves.



first part.



$x = 2sin tcos t = sin 2t\
y = 2sin^2 t = 1-cos 2t$



$int_limits{0}^{frac {pi}{2}} (2sin 2t + 1 - cos 2t )(2cos 2t)+(sin 2t +1-cos 2t)(2sin 2t) dt$



and the second part



$x = 2cos t\
y = 2sin t$



$int_limits{frac {pi}{2}}^{pi} (4cos t - 2sin t)(-2sin t)+(2cos t - sin t)(2cos t) dt$



If you wanted to use greens.



Then the you would add the straight line from $(-2,0)$ to $(0,0)$ to close the contour.



Then



$int_{C_1} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy + int_{C_2} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy = iint frac {partial P}{partial y} - frac{partial Q}{partial x} dA\
int_{C_1} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy = iint frac {partial P}{partial y} - frac{partial Q}{partial x} dA- int_{C_2} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy$






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  • Thanks, I understand everything except how you got the first parts parametric equations. Since the first part of the curve is the right side of a circle of radius 1 and y offset of 1, shouldn't y be $y=1+sin(t)$. And $x=cos(t)$.
    – math101
    Nov 20 at 22:32










  • You could use that parameterization, it would be for a different range of t. That is fine. I said, $x = rcos t, y = rsin t$ plugging into $x^2 + y^2 = 2y$ gives $r = 2sin t$ And put that back in for $r$ in the equations of $x,y$
    – Doug M
    Nov 20 at 22:42










  • So that's it! I see now , thanks!
    – math101
    Nov 20 at 23:13













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You have two curves.



first part.



$x = 2sin tcos t = sin 2t\
y = 2sin^2 t = 1-cos 2t$



$int_limits{0}^{frac {pi}{2}} (2sin 2t + 1 - cos 2t )(2cos 2t)+(sin 2t +1-cos 2t)(2sin 2t) dt$



and the second part



$x = 2cos t\
y = 2sin t$



$int_limits{frac {pi}{2}}^{pi} (4cos t - 2sin t)(-2sin t)+(2cos t - sin t)(2cos t) dt$



If you wanted to use greens.



Then the you would add the straight line from $(-2,0)$ to $(0,0)$ to close the contour.



Then



$int_{C_1} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy + int_{C_2} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy = iint frac {partial P}{partial y} - frac{partial Q}{partial x} dA\
int_{C_1} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy = iint frac {partial P}{partial y} - frac{partial Q}{partial x} dA- int_{C_2} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy$






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You have two curves.



first part.



$x = 2sin tcos t = sin 2t\
y = 2sin^2 t = 1-cos 2t$



$int_limits{0}^{frac {pi}{2}} (2sin 2t + 1 - cos 2t )(2cos 2t)+(sin 2t +1-cos 2t)(2sin 2t) dt$



and the second part



$x = 2cos t\
y = 2sin t$



$int_limits{frac {pi}{2}}^{pi} (4cos t - 2sin t)(-2sin t)+(2cos t - sin t)(2cos t) dt$



If you wanted to use greens.



Then the you would add the straight line from $(-2,0)$ to $(0,0)$ to close the contour.



Then



$int_{C_1} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy + int_{C_2} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy = iint frac {partial P}{partial y} - frac{partial Q}{partial x} dA\
int_{C_1} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy = iint frac {partial P}{partial y} - frac{partial Q}{partial x} dA- int_{C_2} P(x,y) dx + Q(x,y) dy$







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  • Thanks, I understand everything except how you got the first parts parametric equations. Since the first part of the curve is the right side of a circle of radius 1 and y offset of 1, shouldn't y be $y=1+sin(t)$. And $x=cos(t)$.
    – math101
    Nov 20 at 22:32










  • You could use that parameterization, it would be for a different range of t. That is fine. I said, $x = rcos t, y = rsin t$ plugging into $x^2 + y^2 = 2y$ gives $r = 2sin t$ And put that back in for $r$ in the equations of $x,y$
    – Doug M
    Nov 20 at 22:42










  • So that's it! I see now , thanks!
    – math101
    Nov 20 at 23:13


















  • Thanks, I understand everything except how you got the first parts parametric equations. Since the first part of the curve is the right side of a circle of radius 1 and y offset of 1, shouldn't y be $y=1+sin(t)$. And $x=cos(t)$.
    – math101
    Nov 20 at 22:32










  • You could use that parameterization, it would be for a different range of t. That is fine. I said, $x = rcos t, y = rsin t$ plugging into $x^2 + y^2 = 2y$ gives $r = 2sin t$ And put that back in for $r$ in the equations of $x,y$
    – Doug M
    Nov 20 at 22:42










  • So that's it! I see now , thanks!
    – math101
    Nov 20 at 23:13
















Thanks, I understand everything except how you got the first parts parametric equations. Since the first part of the curve is the right side of a circle of radius 1 and y offset of 1, shouldn't y be $y=1+sin(t)$. And $x=cos(t)$.
– math101
Nov 20 at 22:32




Thanks, I understand everything except how you got the first parts parametric equations. Since the first part of the curve is the right side of a circle of radius 1 and y offset of 1, shouldn't y be $y=1+sin(t)$. And $x=cos(t)$.
– math101
Nov 20 at 22:32












You could use that parameterization, it would be for a different range of t. That is fine. I said, $x = rcos t, y = rsin t$ plugging into $x^2 + y^2 = 2y$ gives $r = 2sin t$ And put that back in for $r$ in the equations of $x,y$
– Doug M
Nov 20 at 22:42




You could use that parameterization, it would be for a different range of t. That is fine. I said, $x = rcos t, y = rsin t$ plugging into $x^2 + y^2 = 2y$ gives $r = 2sin t$ And put that back in for $r$ in the equations of $x,y$
– Doug M
Nov 20 at 22:42












So that's it! I see now , thanks!
– math101
Nov 20 at 23:13




So that's it! I see now , thanks!
– math101
Nov 20 at 23:13


















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