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Suppose that $N$ is a normal and cyclic subgroup of $G$, and $H$ is a subgroup of $N$. Show that $H$ is normal in $G$.




What should I do when $N$ is finite?
I have tried to show that it is right for infinite $N$.










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    $N$ is normal $gN=Ng:forall:gin G$. Restrict $N$ to $H$.
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    what do you mean of restrict? please clarify more
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    Since $N$ is normal in $G$, $gHg^{-1}subset N$ and use the fact $N$ is cyclic.
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Suppose that $N$ is a normal and cyclic subgroup of $G$, and $H$ is a subgroup of $N$. Show that $H$ is normal in $G$.




What should I do when $N$ is finite?
I have tried to show that it is right for infinite $N$.










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    $N$ is normal $gN=Ng:forall:gin G$. Restrict $N$ to $H$.
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    what do you mean of restrict? please clarify more
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    Since $N$ is normal in $G$, $gHg^{-1}subset N$ and use the fact $N$ is cyclic.
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Suppose that $N$ is a normal and cyclic subgroup of $G$, and $H$ is a subgroup of $N$. Show that $H$ is normal in $G$.




What should I do when $N$ is finite?
I have tried to show that it is right for infinite $N$.










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Suppose that $N$ is a normal and cyclic subgroup of $G$, and $H$ is a subgroup of $N$. Show that $H$ is normal in $G$.




What should I do when $N$ is finite?
I have tried to show that it is right for infinite $N$.







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    $N$ is normal $gN=Ng:forall:gin G$. Restrict $N$ to $H$.
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    – Yadati Kiran
    Dec 12 '18 at 22:43












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    what do you mean of restrict? please clarify more
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    – Arman_jr
    Dec 12 '18 at 22:45












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    Since $N$ is normal in $G$, $gHg^{-1}subset N$ and use the fact $N$ is cyclic.
    $endgroup$
    – Yadati Kiran
    Dec 12 '18 at 22:53




















  • $begingroup$
    $N$ is normal $gN=Ng:forall:gin G$. Restrict $N$ to $H$.
    $endgroup$
    – Yadati Kiran
    Dec 12 '18 at 22:43












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    what do you mean of restrict? please clarify more
    $endgroup$
    – Arman_jr
    Dec 12 '18 at 22:45












  • $begingroup$
    Since $N$ is normal in $G$, $gHg^{-1}subset N$ and use the fact $N$ is cyclic.
    $endgroup$
    – Yadati Kiran
    Dec 12 '18 at 22:53


















$begingroup$
$N$ is normal $gN=Ng:forall:gin G$. Restrict $N$ to $H$.
$endgroup$
– Yadati Kiran
Dec 12 '18 at 22:43






$begingroup$
$N$ is normal $gN=Ng:forall:gin G$. Restrict $N$ to $H$.
$endgroup$
– Yadati Kiran
Dec 12 '18 at 22:43














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what do you mean of restrict? please clarify more
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:45






$begingroup$
what do you mean of restrict? please clarify more
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:45














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Since $N$ is normal in $G$, $gHg^{-1}subset N$ and use the fact $N$ is cyclic.
$endgroup$
– Yadati Kiran
Dec 12 '18 at 22:53






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Since $N$ is normal in $G$, $gHg^{-1}subset N$ and use the fact $N$ is cyclic.
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Let $N=langle nrangle$ and $H=langle n^arangle$. To show that $H$ is normal in $G$, it is enough to show that for all $gin G$ we have $gn^ag^{-1}in H$.



First since $nin N$ and $N$ is normal in $G$, then $gng^{-1}in N$. Write $gng^{-1}=n^b$ for some $b$. Now
$$gn^ag^{-1}=(gng^{-1})^a=(n^b)^a=(n^a)^bin H$$
since $n^ain H$ and we are done.






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    An abelian subgroup is not necessarily normal.



    Hence, the assumption that $N$ is cyclic matters.



    Indeed, let $g in G$, $h in H$. Then $ghg^{-1} in N$ because $N$ is normal, and $(ghg^{-1})^{|H|} = gh^{|H|}g^{-1}=e$, thus (this is a standard fact for cyclic groups) $ghg^{-1} in H$.



    Edit: if I understood the comment correctly, I need to prove that if $N$ is a cyclic group and $H$ is a cyclic subgroup of $N$, then $H={h in N,,h^{|H|}=e}:=H_0$.
    First, $H subset H_0$ (Clearly $H_0$ is a subgroup of a $N$, containing a generator of $H$).
    Conversely, let $n$ be a generator of $N$. Let $|N| > k geq 1$ be such that $n^k$ is a generator of $|H|$. Then the set of all $n^{kl}$ for integers $l$ is exactly $H$ and has cardinality $|H|$. Besides, the value of $n^{kl}$ is uniquely deterlined by that of $kl$ mod $|N|$. So $|H|=|N|/gcd(|N|,k)$, and, for every integer $l$, $n^l in H_0$ iff $n^{|H|l}=e$ iff $|N| | |H|l$ iff $gcd(|N|,k)|l$, iff $l=a|N|+bk$ for some $a,b$, iff $n^l=(n^k)^b$ for some $b$ iff $n^l in H$.






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      How does it imply the last part?
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      i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
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      Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
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      you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
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      My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
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    Let's start you off,



    we know



    G > N > H
    N is normal


    wts



    H is normal in G. 
    that is, wts hG=Gh for all h in H


    We know,



    for all n in N, nG=Gn... 


    what next?






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      since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
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      N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
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      yes (it's making me type more)
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      can we brake the problem in two parts?
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    Let $N=langle nrangle$ and $H=langle n^arangle$. To show that $H$ is normal in $G$, it is enough to show that for all $gin G$ we have $gn^ag^{-1}in H$.



    First since $nin N$ and $N$ is normal in $G$, then $gng^{-1}in N$. Write $gng^{-1}=n^b$ for some $b$. Now
    $$gn^ag^{-1}=(gng^{-1})^a=(n^b)^a=(n^a)^bin H$$
    since $n^ain H$ and we are done.






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      Let $N=langle nrangle$ and $H=langle n^arangle$. To show that $H$ is normal in $G$, it is enough to show that for all $gin G$ we have $gn^ag^{-1}in H$.



      First since $nin N$ and $N$ is normal in $G$, then $gng^{-1}in N$. Write $gng^{-1}=n^b$ for some $b$. Now
      $$gn^ag^{-1}=(gng^{-1})^a=(n^b)^a=(n^a)^bin H$$
      since $n^ain H$ and we are done.






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        $begingroup$

        Let $N=langle nrangle$ and $H=langle n^arangle$. To show that $H$ is normal in $G$, it is enough to show that for all $gin G$ we have $gn^ag^{-1}in H$.



        First since $nin N$ and $N$ is normal in $G$, then $gng^{-1}in N$. Write $gng^{-1}=n^b$ for some $b$. Now
        $$gn^ag^{-1}=(gng^{-1})^a=(n^b)^a=(n^a)^bin H$$
        since $n^ain H$ and we are done.






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        Let $N=langle nrangle$ and $H=langle n^arangle$. To show that $H$ is normal in $G$, it is enough to show that for all $gin G$ we have $gn^ag^{-1}in H$.



        First since $nin N$ and $N$ is normal in $G$, then $gng^{-1}in N$. Write $gng^{-1}=n^b$ for some $b$. Now
        $$gn^ag^{-1}=(gng^{-1})^a=(n^b)^a=(n^a)^bin H$$
        since $n^ain H$ and we are done.







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            An abelian subgroup is not necessarily normal.



            Hence, the assumption that $N$ is cyclic matters.



            Indeed, let $g in G$, $h in H$. Then $ghg^{-1} in N$ because $N$ is normal, and $(ghg^{-1})^{|H|} = gh^{|H|}g^{-1}=e$, thus (this is a standard fact for cyclic groups) $ghg^{-1} in H$.



            Edit: if I understood the comment correctly, I need to prove that if $N$ is a cyclic group and $H$ is a cyclic subgroup of $N$, then $H={h in N,,h^{|H|}=e}:=H_0$.
            First, $H subset H_0$ (Clearly $H_0$ is a subgroup of a $N$, containing a generator of $H$).
            Conversely, let $n$ be a generator of $N$. Let $|N| > k geq 1$ be such that $n^k$ is a generator of $|H|$. Then the set of all $n^{kl}$ for integers $l$ is exactly $H$ and has cardinality $|H|$. Besides, the value of $n^{kl}$ is uniquely deterlined by that of $kl$ mod $|N|$. So $|H|=|N|/gcd(|N|,k)$, and, for every integer $l$, $n^l in H_0$ iff $n^{|H|l}=e$ iff $|N| | |H|l$ iff $gcd(|N|,k)|l$, iff $l=a|N|+bk$ for some $a,b$, iff $n^l=(n^k)^b$ for some $b$ iff $n^l in H$.






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              How does it imply the last part?
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              i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
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              Dec 12 '18 at 23:34










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              Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
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              you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
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              Dec 13 '18 at 9:21










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              My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
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            An abelian subgroup is not necessarily normal.



            Hence, the assumption that $N$ is cyclic matters.



            Indeed, let $g in G$, $h in H$. Then $ghg^{-1} in N$ because $N$ is normal, and $(ghg^{-1})^{|H|} = gh^{|H|}g^{-1}=e$, thus (this is a standard fact for cyclic groups) $ghg^{-1} in H$.



            Edit: if I understood the comment correctly, I need to prove that if $N$ is a cyclic group and $H$ is a cyclic subgroup of $N$, then $H={h in N,,h^{|H|}=e}:=H_0$.
            First, $H subset H_0$ (Clearly $H_0$ is a subgroup of a $N$, containing a generator of $H$).
            Conversely, let $n$ be a generator of $N$. Let $|N| > k geq 1$ be such that $n^k$ is a generator of $|H|$. Then the set of all $n^{kl}$ for integers $l$ is exactly $H$ and has cardinality $|H|$. Besides, the value of $n^{kl}$ is uniquely deterlined by that of $kl$ mod $|N|$. So $|H|=|N|/gcd(|N|,k)$, and, for every integer $l$, $n^l in H_0$ iff $n^{|H|l}=e$ iff $|N| | |H|l$ iff $gcd(|N|,k)|l$, iff $l=a|N|+bk$ for some $a,b$, iff $n^l=(n^k)^b$ for some $b$ iff $n^l in H$.






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              How does it imply the last part?
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              Dec 12 '18 at 23:31










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              i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 12 '18 at 23:34










            • $begingroup$
              Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
              $endgroup$
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            • $begingroup$
              you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
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              – Arman_jr
              Dec 13 '18 at 9:21










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              My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
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            $begingroup$

            An abelian subgroup is not necessarily normal.



            Hence, the assumption that $N$ is cyclic matters.



            Indeed, let $g in G$, $h in H$. Then $ghg^{-1} in N$ because $N$ is normal, and $(ghg^{-1})^{|H|} = gh^{|H|}g^{-1}=e$, thus (this is a standard fact for cyclic groups) $ghg^{-1} in H$.



            Edit: if I understood the comment correctly, I need to prove that if $N$ is a cyclic group and $H$ is a cyclic subgroup of $N$, then $H={h in N,,h^{|H|}=e}:=H_0$.
            First, $H subset H_0$ (Clearly $H_0$ is a subgroup of a $N$, containing a generator of $H$).
            Conversely, let $n$ be a generator of $N$. Let $|N| > k geq 1$ be such that $n^k$ is a generator of $|H|$. Then the set of all $n^{kl}$ for integers $l$ is exactly $H$ and has cardinality $|H|$. Besides, the value of $n^{kl}$ is uniquely deterlined by that of $kl$ mod $|N|$. So $|H|=|N|/gcd(|N|,k)$, and, for every integer $l$, $n^l in H_0$ iff $n^{|H|l}=e$ iff $|N| | |H|l$ iff $gcd(|N|,k)|l$, iff $l=a|N|+bk$ for some $a,b$, iff $n^l=(n^k)^b$ for some $b$ iff $n^l in H$.






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            An abelian subgroup is not necessarily normal.



            Hence, the assumption that $N$ is cyclic matters.



            Indeed, let $g in G$, $h in H$. Then $ghg^{-1} in N$ because $N$ is normal, and $(ghg^{-1})^{|H|} = gh^{|H|}g^{-1}=e$, thus (this is a standard fact for cyclic groups) $ghg^{-1} in H$.



            Edit: if I understood the comment correctly, I need to prove that if $N$ is a cyclic group and $H$ is a cyclic subgroup of $N$, then $H={h in N,,h^{|H|}=e}:=H_0$.
            First, $H subset H_0$ (Clearly $H_0$ is a subgroup of a $N$, containing a generator of $H$).
            Conversely, let $n$ be a generator of $N$. Let $|N| > k geq 1$ be such that $n^k$ is a generator of $|H|$. Then the set of all $n^{kl}$ for integers $l$ is exactly $H$ and has cardinality $|H|$. Besides, the value of $n^{kl}$ is uniquely deterlined by that of $kl$ mod $|N|$. So $|H|=|N|/gcd(|N|,k)$, and, for every integer $l$, $n^l in H_0$ iff $n^{|H|l}=e$ iff $|N| | |H|l$ iff $gcd(|N|,k)|l$, iff $l=a|N|+bk$ for some $a,b$, iff $n^l=(n^k)^b$ for some $b$ iff $n^l in H$.







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              How does it imply the last part?
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              Dec 12 '18 at 23:31










            • $begingroup$
              i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 12 '18 at 23:34










            • $begingroup$
              Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
              $endgroup$
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              Dec 13 '18 at 0:44












            • $begingroup$
              you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 13 '18 at 9:21










            • $begingroup$
              My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
              $endgroup$
              – Mindlack
              Dec 13 '18 at 9:23




















            • $begingroup$
              How does it imply the last part?
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 12 '18 at 23:31










            • $begingroup$
              i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 12 '18 at 23:34










            • $begingroup$
              Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
              $endgroup$
              – user9077
              Dec 13 '18 at 0:44












            • $begingroup$
              you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 13 '18 at 9:21










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              My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
              $endgroup$
              – Mindlack
              Dec 13 '18 at 9:23


















            $begingroup$
            How does it imply the last part?
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            – Arman_jr
            Dec 12 '18 at 23:31




            $begingroup$
            How does it imply the last part?
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            – Arman_jr
            Dec 12 '18 at 23:31












            $begingroup$
            i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
            $endgroup$
            – Arman_jr
            Dec 12 '18 at 23:34




            $begingroup$
            i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
            $endgroup$
            – Arman_jr
            Dec 12 '18 at 23:34












            $begingroup$
            Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
            $endgroup$
            – user9077
            Dec 13 '18 at 0:44






            $begingroup$
            Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
            $endgroup$
            – user9077
            Dec 13 '18 at 0:44














            $begingroup$
            you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
            $endgroup$
            – Arman_jr
            Dec 13 '18 at 9:21




            $begingroup$
            you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
            $endgroup$
            – Arman_jr
            Dec 13 '18 at 9:21












            $begingroup$
            My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
            $endgroup$
            – Mindlack
            Dec 13 '18 at 9:23






            $begingroup$
            My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
            $endgroup$
            – Mindlack
            Dec 13 '18 at 9:23













            -2












            $begingroup$

            Let's start you off,



            we know



            G > N > H
            N is normal


            wts



            H is normal in G. 
            that is, wts hG=Gh for all h in H


            We know,



            for all n in N, nG=Gn... 


            what next?






            share|cite|improve this answer









            $endgroup$













            • $begingroup$
              since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 12 '18 at 22:55










            • $begingroup$
              N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
              $endgroup$
              – ness
              Dec 12 '18 at 22:59










            • $begingroup$
              yes (it's making me type more)
              $endgroup$
              – ness
              Dec 12 '18 at 23:00










            • $begingroup$
              can we brake the problem in two parts?
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 12 '18 at 23:03






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              -1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
              $endgroup$
              – Servaes
              Dec 13 '18 at 0:08
















            -2












            $begingroup$

            Let's start you off,



            we know



            G > N > H
            N is normal


            wts



            H is normal in G. 
            that is, wts hG=Gh for all h in H


            We know,



            for all n in N, nG=Gn... 


            what next?






            share|cite|improve this answer









            $endgroup$













            • $begingroup$
              since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 12 '18 at 22:55










            • $begingroup$
              N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
              $endgroup$
              – ness
              Dec 12 '18 at 22:59










            • $begingroup$
              yes (it's making me type more)
              $endgroup$
              – ness
              Dec 12 '18 at 23:00










            • $begingroup$
              can we brake the problem in two parts?
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 12 '18 at 23:03






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              -1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
              $endgroup$
              – Servaes
              Dec 13 '18 at 0:08














            -2












            -2








            -2





            $begingroup$

            Let's start you off,



            we know



            G > N > H
            N is normal


            wts



            H is normal in G. 
            that is, wts hG=Gh for all h in H


            We know,



            for all n in N, nG=Gn... 


            what next?






            share|cite|improve this answer









            $endgroup$



            Let's start you off,



            we know



            G > N > H
            N is normal


            wts



            H is normal in G. 
            that is, wts hG=Gh for all h in H


            We know,



            for all n in N, nG=Gn... 


            what next?







            share|cite|improve this answer












            share|cite|improve this answer



            share|cite|improve this answer










            answered Dec 12 '18 at 22:50









            nessness

            425




            425












            • $begingroup$
              since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 12 '18 at 22:55










            • $begingroup$
              N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
              $endgroup$
              – ness
              Dec 12 '18 at 22:59










            • $begingroup$
              yes (it's making me type more)
              $endgroup$
              – ness
              Dec 12 '18 at 23:00










            • $begingroup$
              can we brake the problem in two parts?
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 12 '18 at 23:03






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              -1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
              $endgroup$
              – Servaes
              Dec 13 '18 at 0:08


















            • $begingroup$
              since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 12 '18 at 22:55










            • $begingroup$
              N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
              $endgroup$
              – ness
              Dec 12 '18 at 22:59










            • $begingroup$
              yes (it's making me type more)
              $endgroup$
              – ness
              Dec 12 '18 at 23:00










            • $begingroup$
              can we brake the problem in two parts?
              $endgroup$
              – Arman_jr
              Dec 12 '18 at 23:03






            • 1




              $begingroup$
              -1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
              $endgroup$
              – Servaes
              Dec 13 '18 at 0:08
















            $begingroup$
            since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
            $endgroup$
            – Arman_jr
            Dec 12 '18 at 22:55




            $begingroup$
            since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
            $endgroup$
            – Arman_jr
            Dec 12 '18 at 22:55












            $begingroup$
            N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
            $endgroup$
            – ness
            Dec 12 '18 at 22:59




            $begingroup$
            N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
            $endgroup$
            – ness
            Dec 12 '18 at 22:59












            $begingroup$
            yes (it's making me type more)
            $endgroup$
            – ness
            Dec 12 '18 at 23:00




            $begingroup$
            yes (it's making me type more)
            $endgroup$
            – ness
            Dec 12 '18 at 23:00












            $begingroup$
            can we brake the problem in two parts?
            $endgroup$
            – Arman_jr
            Dec 12 '18 at 23:03




            $begingroup$
            can we brake the problem in two parts?
            $endgroup$
            – Arman_jr
            Dec 12 '18 at 23:03




            1




            1




            $begingroup$
            -1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
            $endgroup$
            – Servaes
            Dec 13 '18 at 0:08




            $begingroup$
            -1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
            $endgroup$
            – Servaes
            Dec 13 '18 at 0:08



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