$C= lbrace M in M_{2n}(mathbb{R}): M^2 = -I_{2n}rbrace$. Why $C= GL_{2n} (mathbb{R}) cdot J$,...












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Let $C=left{M in M_{2n}(mathbb{R}): M^2 = -I_{2n}right}$. Why is $C = GL_{2n} (mathbb{R}) cdot J$ with $J=begin{bmatrix}0&-I_n\I_n&0end{bmatrix}$ and $GL_{2n} (mathbb{R} ) $ acting on $M_{2n} (mathbb{R})$ by left multiplication?



This is a question from an exercise sheet of mine and I don't know how to proceed at all. Firstly, I have put an $mathbb{C} $ - vector space structure on it by setting $(a+bi, v) = a+bMV$ and shown that the map $f(v) = Mv$ is linear with respect to this vector space. Moreover I know that a $mathbb{C}$- basis ${v_1, ldots, v_{2n}}$ corresponds to a real basis $lbrace Mv_1, ldots, Mv_{2n}, v_1, ldots , v_{2n} rbrace$. How do I proceed from this point on?










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  • Not all non-singular multiples of $J$ are in $C$. Do you mean conjugates of $J$?
    – ancientmathematician
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:20










  • I corrected it. I should be $2n$. It should be.
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    But $Jin GL_{2n} (mathbb{C})$, so $C = GL_{2n} (mathbb{C}) J=GL_{2n} (mathbb{C})$.
    – Servaes
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:44












  • Can you please explain what set you denote by $ GL_{2n} (mathbb{C}) J$?
    – ancientmathematician
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:44










  • If $mathbb{C}$ were $mathbb{R}$ then $C$ would be the set of $GL(mathbb{R})$ conjugates of $J$.
    – ancientmathematician
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:50


















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Let $C=left{M in M_{2n}(mathbb{R}): M^2 = -I_{2n}right}$. Why is $C = GL_{2n} (mathbb{R}) cdot J$ with $J=begin{bmatrix}0&-I_n\I_n&0end{bmatrix}$ and $GL_{2n} (mathbb{R} ) $ acting on $M_{2n} (mathbb{R})$ by left multiplication?



This is a question from an exercise sheet of mine and I don't know how to proceed at all. Firstly, I have put an $mathbb{C} $ - vector space structure on it by setting $(a+bi, v) = a+bMV$ and shown that the map $f(v) = Mv$ is linear with respect to this vector space. Moreover I know that a $mathbb{C}$- basis ${v_1, ldots, v_{2n}}$ corresponds to a real basis $lbrace Mv_1, ldots, Mv_{2n}, v_1, ldots , v_{2n} rbrace$. How do I proceed from this point on?










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  • Not all non-singular multiples of $J$ are in $C$. Do you mean conjugates of $J$?
    – ancientmathematician
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:20










  • I corrected it. I should be $2n$. It should be.
    – MPB94
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:41






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    But $Jin GL_{2n} (mathbb{C})$, so $C = GL_{2n} (mathbb{C}) J=GL_{2n} (mathbb{C})$.
    – Servaes
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:44












  • Can you please explain what set you denote by $ GL_{2n} (mathbb{C}) J$?
    – ancientmathematician
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:44










  • If $mathbb{C}$ were $mathbb{R}$ then $C$ would be the set of $GL(mathbb{R})$ conjugates of $J$.
    – ancientmathematician
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:50
















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Let $C=left{M in M_{2n}(mathbb{R}): M^2 = -I_{2n}right}$. Why is $C = GL_{2n} (mathbb{R}) cdot J$ with $J=begin{bmatrix}0&-I_n\I_n&0end{bmatrix}$ and $GL_{2n} (mathbb{R} ) $ acting on $M_{2n} (mathbb{R})$ by left multiplication?



This is a question from an exercise sheet of mine and I don't know how to proceed at all. Firstly, I have put an $mathbb{C} $ - vector space structure on it by setting $(a+bi, v) = a+bMV$ and shown that the map $f(v) = Mv$ is linear with respect to this vector space. Moreover I know that a $mathbb{C}$- basis ${v_1, ldots, v_{2n}}$ corresponds to a real basis $lbrace Mv_1, ldots, Mv_{2n}, v_1, ldots , v_{2n} rbrace$. How do I proceed from this point on?










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Let $C=left{M in M_{2n}(mathbb{R}): M^2 = -I_{2n}right}$. Why is $C = GL_{2n} (mathbb{R}) cdot J$ with $J=begin{bmatrix}0&-I_n\I_n&0end{bmatrix}$ and $GL_{2n} (mathbb{R} ) $ acting on $M_{2n} (mathbb{R})$ by left multiplication?



This is a question from an exercise sheet of mine and I don't know how to proceed at all. Firstly, I have put an $mathbb{C} $ - vector space structure on it by setting $(a+bi, v) = a+bMV$ and shown that the map $f(v) = Mv$ is linear with respect to this vector space. Moreover I know that a $mathbb{C}$- basis ${v_1, ldots, v_{2n}}$ corresponds to a real basis $lbrace Mv_1, ldots, Mv_{2n}, v_1, ldots , v_{2n} rbrace$. How do I proceed from this point on?







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  • Not all non-singular multiples of $J$ are in $C$. Do you mean conjugates of $J$?
    – ancientmathematician
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:20










  • I corrected it. I should be $2n$. It should be.
    – MPB94
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:41






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    But $Jin GL_{2n} (mathbb{C})$, so $C = GL_{2n} (mathbb{C}) J=GL_{2n} (mathbb{C})$.
    – Servaes
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:44












  • Can you please explain what set you denote by $ GL_{2n} (mathbb{C}) J$?
    – ancientmathematician
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:44










  • If $mathbb{C}$ were $mathbb{R}$ then $C$ would be the set of $GL(mathbb{R})$ conjugates of $J$.
    – ancientmathematician
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:50




















  • Not all non-singular multiples of $J$ are in $C$. Do you mean conjugates of $J$?
    – ancientmathematician
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:20










  • I corrected it. I should be $2n$. It should be.
    – MPB94
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:41






  • 1




    But $Jin GL_{2n} (mathbb{C})$, so $C = GL_{2n} (mathbb{C}) J=GL_{2n} (mathbb{C})$.
    – Servaes
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:44












  • Can you please explain what set you denote by $ GL_{2n} (mathbb{C}) J$?
    – ancientmathematician
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:44










  • If $mathbb{C}$ were $mathbb{R}$ then $C$ would be the set of $GL(mathbb{R})$ conjugates of $J$.
    – ancientmathematician
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:50


















Not all non-singular multiples of $J$ are in $C$. Do you mean conjugates of $J$?
– ancientmathematician
Nov 29 '18 at 10:20




Not all non-singular multiples of $J$ are in $C$. Do you mean conjugates of $J$?
– ancientmathematician
Nov 29 '18 at 10:20












I corrected it. I should be $2n$. It should be.
– MPB94
Nov 29 '18 at 10:41




I corrected it. I should be $2n$. It should be.
– MPB94
Nov 29 '18 at 10:41




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But $Jin GL_{2n} (mathbb{C})$, so $C = GL_{2n} (mathbb{C}) J=GL_{2n} (mathbb{C})$.
– Servaes
Nov 29 '18 at 10:44






But $Jin GL_{2n} (mathbb{C})$, so $C = GL_{2n} (mathbb{C}) J=GL_{2n} (mathbb{C})$.
– Servaes
Nov 29 '18 at 10:44














Can you please explain what set you denote by $ GL_{2n} (mathbb{C}) J$?
– ancientmathematician
Nov 29 '18 at 10:44




Can you please explain what set you denote by $ GL_{2n} (mathbb{C}) J$?
– ancientmathematician
Nov 29 '18 at 10:44












If $mathbb{C}$ were $mathbb{R}$ then $C$ would be the set of $GL(mathbb{R})$ conjugates of $J$.
– ancientmathematician
Nov 29 '18 at 10:50






If $mathbb{C}$ were $mathbb{R}$ then $C$ would be the set of $GL(mathbb{R})$ conjugates of $J$.
– ancientmathematician
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I don't think the question as set makes sense. As @Servaes points out you are asking for a proof that $C$ is the whole of $GL_{2n}(mathbb{C})$ which it is not: as I commented above $2Jnotin C$.



Here is what I think is true.



Suppose $Min M_{2n}(mathbb{R})$ and $M^2=-I$. Then there is a matrix $Pin GL_{2n}(mathbb{R})$ such that $P^{-1}M P=begin{pmatrix} O & -I_n\I_n&Oend{pmatrix}$.



This is easily got from the Rational Canonical Form. The minimal polynomial of $M$ is $X^2+1$, which is irreducible. So the RCF of $M$ is a sum of $2times 2$ blocks of the form $begin{pmatrix} 0 & -1\1 &0end{pmatrix}$. Re-arranging the basis gives what I have asserted.



[In other words the matrices must be over $mathbb{R}$ and the action of $GL$ on $J$ is conjugation not multiplication. If you insist on allowing $mathbb{C}$ I think you'll find that the matrix $begin{pmatrix} i & 0\0 &iend{pmatrix}$ is a counterexample to any adjustment you try to make to the question.]






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    I don't think the question as set makes sense. As @Servaes points out you are asking for a proof that $C$ is the whole of $GL_{2n}(mathbb{C})$ which it is not: as I commented above $2Jnotin C$.



    Here is what I think is true.



    Suppose $Min M_{2n}(mathbb{R})$ and $M^2=-I$. Then there is a matrix $Pin GL_{2n}(mathbb{R})$ such that $P^{-1}M P=begin{pmatrix} O & -I_n\I_n&Oend{pmatrix}$.



    This is easily got from the Rational Canonical Form. The minimal polynomial of $M$ is $X^2+1$, which is irreducible. So the RCF of $M$ is a sum of $2times 2$ blocks of the form $begin{pmatrix} 0 & -1\1 &0end{pmatrix}$. Re-arranging the basis gives what I have asserted.



    [In other words the matrices must be over $mathbb{R}$ and the action of $GL$ on $J$ is conjugation not multiplication. If you insist on allowing $mathbb{C}$ I think you'll find that the matrix $begin{pmatrix} i & 0\0 &iend{pmatrix}$ is a counterexample to any adjustment you try to make to the question.]






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      I don't think the question as set makes sense. As @Servaes points out you are asking for a proof that $C$ is the whole of $GL_{2n}(mathbb{C})$ which it is not: as I commented above $2Jnotin C$.



      Here is what I think is true.



      Suppose $Min M_{2n}(mathbb{R})$ and $M^2=-I$. Then there is a matrix $Pin GL_{2n}(mathbb{R})$ such that $P^{-1}M P=begin{pmatrix} O & -I_n\I_n&Oend{pmatrix}$.



      This is easily got from the Rational Canonical Form. The minimal polynomial of $M$ is $X^2+1$, which is irreducible. So the RCF of $M$ is a sum of $2times 2$ blocks of the form $begin{pmatrix} 0 & -1\1 &0end{pmatrix}$. Re-arranging the basis gives what I have asserted.



      [In other words the matrices must be over $mathbb{R}$ and the action of $GL$ on $J$ is conjugation not multiplication. If you insist on allowing $mathbb{C}$ I think you'll find that the matrix $begin{pmatrix} i & 0\0 &iend{pmatrix}$ is a counterexample to any adjustment you try to make to the question.]






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        I don't think the question as set makes sense. As @Servaes points out you are asking for a proof that $C$ is the whole of $GL_{2n}(mathbb{C})$ which it is not: as I commented above $2Jnotin C$.



        Here is what I think is true.



        Suppose $Min M_{2n}(mathbb{R})$ and $M^2=-I$. Then there is a matrix $Pin GL_{2n}(mathbb{R})$ such that $P^{-1}M P=begin{pmatrix} O & -I_n\I_n&Oend{pmatrix}$.



        This is easily got from the Rational Canonical Form. The minimal polynomial of $M$ is $X^2+1$, which is irreducible. So the RCF of $M$ is a sum of $2times 2$ blocks of the form $begin{pmatrix} 0 & -1\1 &0end{pmatrix}$. Re-arranging the basis gives what I have asserted.



        [In other words the matrices must be over $mathbb{R}$ and the action of $GL$ on $J$ is conjugation not multiplication. If you insist on allowing $mathbb{C}$ I think you'll find that the matrix $begin{pmatrix} i & 0\0 &iend{pmatrix}$ is a counterexample to any adjustment you try to make to the question.]






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        I don't think the question as set makes sense. As @Servaes points out you are asking for a proof that $C$ is the whole of $GL_{2n}(mathbb{C})$ which it is not: as I commented above $2Jnotin C$.



        Here is what I think is true.



        Suppose $Min M_{2n}(mathbb{R})$ and $M^2=-I$. Then there is a matrix $Pin GL_{2n}(mathbb{R})$ such that $P^{-1}M P=begin{pmatrix} O & -I_n\I_n&Oend{pmatrix}$.



        This is easily got from the Rational Canonical Form. The minimal polynomial of $M$ is $X^2+1$, which is irreducible. So the RCF of $M$ is a sum of $2times 2$ blocks of the form $begin{pmatrix} 0 & -1\1 &0end{pmatrix}$. Re-arranging the basis gives what I have asserted.



        [In other words the matrices must be over $mathbb{R}$ and the action of $GL$ on $J$ is conjugation not multiplication. If you insist on allowing $mathbb{C}$ I think you'll find that the matrix $begin{pmatrix} i & 0\0 &iend{pmatrix}$ is a counterexample to any adjustment you try to make to the question.]







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