Does this polynomial have a rational value which is the square of a rational number?












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I have the following polynomial:



$$P(x,y,z):=9y^2z^2-30x^2z+90xyz+54yz-270x+81inmathbb Q[x].$$



It came up in a larger proof, and I would need in order to complete the proof to prove the following result:




Does there exist $(x,y,z,r)inmathbb Q^4$ such that $xne 0$ and



$$P(x,y,z)=r^2.$$




We can reformulate the problem in the following way:



Does the algebraic variety defined by



$$9Y^2Z^2-30X^2Z+90XYZ+54YZ-270X+81-T^2$$



have a rational point with $Xne 0$?



I have no idea how to tackle this problem, I have looked up several articles, but nothing seems to apply to this particular question.



Any hints or references would be greatly appreciated.










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  • @TonyK Yes, indeed, I have edited (I forgot I am not allowed to take $x=0$), sorry for the inconvenience.
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I have the following polynomial:



$$P(x,y,z):=9y^2z^2-30x^2z+90xyz+54yz-270x+81inmathbb Q[x].$$



It came up in a larger proof, and I would need in order to complete the proof to prove the following result:




Does there exist $(x,y,z,r)inmathbb Q^4$ such that $xne 0$ and



$$P(x,y,z)=r^2.$$




We can reformulate the problem in the following way:



Does the algebraic variety defined by



$$9Y^2Z^2-30X^2Z+90XYZ+54YZ-270X+81-T^2$$



have a rational point with $Xne 0$?



I have no idea how to tackle this problem, I have looked up several articles, but nothing seems to apply to this particular question.



Any hints or references would be greatly appreciated.










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  • @TonyK Yes, indeed, I have edited (I forgot I am not allowed to take $x=0$), sorry for the inconvenience.
    – E. Joseph
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:54














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I have the following polynomial:



$$P(x,y,z):=9y^2z^2-30x^2z+90xyz+54yz-270x+81inmathbb Q[x].$$



It came up in a larger proof, and I would need in order to complete the proof to prove the following result:




Does there exist $(x,y,z,r)inmathbb Q^4$ such that $xne 0$ and



$$P(x,y,z)=r^2.$$




We can reformulate the problem in the following way:



Does the algebraic variety defined by



$$9Y^2Z^2-30X^2Z+90XYZ+54YZ-270X+81-T^2$$



have a rational point with $Xne 0$?



I have no idea how to tackle this problem, I have looked up several articles, but nothing seems to apply to this particular question.



Any hints or references would be greatly appreciated.










share|cite|improve this question















I have the following polynomial:



$$P(x,y,z):=9y^2z^2-30x^2z+90xyz+54yz-270x+81inmathbb Q[x].$$



It came up in a larger proof, and I would need in order to complete the proof to prove the following result:




Does there exist $(x,y,z,r)inmathbb Q^4$ such that $xne 0$ and



$$P(x,y,z)=r^2.$$




We can reformulate the problem in the following way:



Does the algebraic variety defined by



$$9Y^2Z^2-30X^2Z+90XYZ+54YZ-270X+81-T^2$$



have a rational point with $Xne 0$?



I have no idea how to tackle this problem, I have looked up several articles, but nothing seems to apply to this particular question.



Any hints or references would be greatly appreciated.







number-theory algebraic-geometry polynomials diophantine-equations rational-numbers






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  • @TonyK Yes, indeed, I have edited (I forgot I am not allowed to take $x=0$), sorry for the inconvenience.
    – E. Joseph
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:54


















  • @TonyK Yes, indeed, I have edited (I forgot I am not allowed to take $x=0$), sorry for the inconvenience.
    – E. Joseph
    Nov 29 '18 at 10:54
















@TonyK Yes, indeed, I have edited (I forgot I am not allowed to take $x=0$), sorry for the inconvenience.
– E. Joseph
Nov 29 '18 at 10:54




@TonyK Yes, indeed, I have edited (I forgot I am not allowed to take $x=0$), sorry for the inconvenience.
– E. Joseph
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Two obvious solutions are $P(0,0,0)=(pm9)^2$.



To find more solutions, plugging in $z=0$ yields
$$P(x,y,0)=-270x+81,$$
which is a square for $x=frac{81-t^2}{270}$ for any choice of $tinBbb{Q}$, and any choice of $yinBbb{Q}$.






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    Two obvious solutions are $P(0,0,0)=(pm9)^2$.



    To find more solutions, plugging in $z=0$ yields
    $$P(x,y,0)=-270x+81,$$
    which is a square for $x=frac{81-t^2}{270}$ for any choice of $tinBbb{Q}$, and any choice of $yinBbb{Q}$.






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      Two obvious solutions are $P(0,0,0)=(pm9)^2$.



      To find more solutions, plugging in $z=0$ yields
      $$P(x,y,0)=-270x+81,$$
      which is a square for $x=frac{81-t^2}{270}$ for any choice of $tinBbb{Q}$, and any choice of $yinBbb{Q}$.






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        Two obvious solutions are $P(0,0,0)=(pm9)^2$.



        To find more solutions, plugging in $z=0$ yields
        $$P(x,y,0)=-270x+81,$$
        which is a square for $x=frac{81-t^2}{270}$ for any choice of $tinBbb{Q}$, and any choice of $yinBbb{Q}$.






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        Two obvious solutions are $P(0,0,0)=(pm9)^2$.



        To find more solutions, plugging in $z=0$ yields
        $$P(x,y,0)=-270x+81,$$
        which is a square for $x=frac{81-t^2}{270}$ for any choice of $tinBbb{Q}$, and any choice of $yinBbb{Q}$.







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