How does the Ring of Mind Shielding interact with effects that affect a certain alignment?





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The Ring of Mind Shielding, an uncommon magic item (DMG, p. 191), has the following property (emphasis mine):




While wearing this ring, you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to read your thoughts, determine whether you are lying, know your alignment, or know your creature type.




How does this interact with effects that affect creatures of a certain alignment? After all, by common sense, something can't affect you based on your alignment if it doesn't know it.



Most notably, the Outer Planes affect "dis-aligned" creatures, as specified in the DMG. There are also some magic items that correspond to certain alignments, such as a Candle of Invocation or a Talisman of Pure Good / Ultimate Evil.

Spells such as Glyph of Warding can also affect creatures of certain alignments.



The same question rises for the matter of creature types, but I suspect the answer will be the same.










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    The Ring of Mind Shielding, an uncommon magic item (DMG, p. 191), has the following property (emphasis mine):




    While wearing this ring, you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to read your thoughts, determine whether you are lying, know your alignment, or know your creature type.




    How does this interact with effects that affect creatures of a certain alignment? After all, by common sense, something can't affect you based on your alignment if it doesn't know it.



    Most notably, the Outer Planes affect "dis-aligned" creatures, as specified in the DMG. There are also some magic items that correspond to certain alignments, such as a Candle of Invocation or a Talisman of Pure Good / Ultimate Evil.

    Spells such as Glyph of Warding can also affect creatures of certain alignments.



    The same question rises for the matter of creature types, but I suspect the answer will be the same.










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      The Ring of Mind Shielding, an uncommon magic item (DMG, p. 191), has the following property (emphasis mine):




      While wearing this ring, you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to read your thoughts, determine whether you are lying, know your alignment, or know your creature type.




      How does this interact with effects that affect creatures of a certain alignment? After all, by common sense, something can't affect you based on your alignment if it doesn't know it.



      Most notably, the Outer Planes affect "dis-aligned" creatures, as specified in the DMG. There are also some magic items that correspond to certain alignments, such as a Candle of Invocation or a Talisman of Pure Good / Ultimate Evil.

      Spells such as Glyph of Warding can also affect creatures of certain alignments.



      The same question rises for the matter of creature types, but I suspect the answer will be the same.










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      The Ring of Mind Shielding, an uncommon magic item (DMG, p. 191), has the following property (emphasis mine):




      While wearing this ring, you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to read your thoughts, determine whether you are lying, know your alignment, or know your creature type.




      How does this interact with effects that affect creatures of a certain alignment? After all, by common sense, something can't affect you based on your alignment if it doesn't know it.



      Most notably, the Outer Planes affect "dis-aligned" creatures, as specified in the DMG. There are also some magic items that correspond to certain alignments, such as a Candle of Invocation or a Talisman of Pure Good / Ultimate Evil.

      Spells such as Glyph of Warding can also affect creatures of certain alignments.



      The same question rises for the matter of creature types, but I suspect the answer will be the same.







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          They affect you as normal




          you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to ... know your alignment




          None of the effects you mention do that, so the ring has no effect on them.






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            I'd suggest changing "..." to "[...]" because that demonstrates that you changed it and that the quote didn't include an ellipsis. Right now it could be classified as a misquote.
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            – David Archibald
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            @DavidArchibald that’s what an ellipsis (...) means
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            That's a good question for some other Exchange: How do you quote an ellipsis?
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            This answer already exist, and I'm sure others exist. I suggested using bracketed ellipsis in this case because I was a little confused when I first read it, and in general just to be consistent with other direct quotation modifications. It's definitely a style issue with different sugestions like: "[...]" or "..." or ". . ." or ". . . ." I simply prefer the first, and think it fits the situation.
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            If I cast a glyph of warding that makes the room light up in green if a chaotic-aligned creature walks in, then the magic is letting me know your alignment. Either the Ring has to make the magic fail, or it has to somehow make me misinterpret the results. (Yes, this ties into a much bigger problem with glyph of warding.)
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          $begingroup$

          They affect you as normal




          you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to ... know your alignment




          None of the effects you mention do that, so the ring has no effect on them.






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          • $begingroup$
            I'd suggest changing "..." to "[...]" because that demonstrates that you changed it and that the quote didn't include an ellipsis. Right now it could be classified as a misquote.
            $endgroup$
            – David Archibald
            Dec 25 '18 at 3:25






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            $begingroup$
            @DavidArchibald that’s what an ellipsis (...) means
            $endgroup$
            – Dale M
            Dec 25 '18 at 3:48










          • $begingroup$
            That's a good question for some other Exchange: How do you quote an ellipsis?
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            – Shawn V. Wilson
            Dec 25 '18 at 4:02










          • $begingroup$
            This answer already exist, and I'm sure others exist. I suggested using bracketed ellipsis in this case because I was a little confused when I first read it, and in general just to be consistent with other direct quotation modifications. It's definitely a style issue with different sugestions like: "[...]" or "..." or ". . ." or ". . . ." I simply prefer the first, and think it fits the situation.
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            – David Archibald
            Dec 25 '18 at 4:44








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            If I cast a glyph of warding that makes the room light up in green if a chaotic-aligned creature walks in, then the magic is letting me know your alignment. Either the Ring has to make the magic fail, or it has to somehow make me misinterpret the results. (Yes, this ties into a much bigger problem with glyph of warding.)
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            – Mark Wells
            Dec 25 '18 at 17:30
















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          $begingroup$

          They affect you as normal




          you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to ... know your alignment




          None of the effects you mention do that, so the ring has no effect on them.






          share|improve this answer











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          • $begingroup$
            I'd suggest changing "..." to "[...]" because that demonstrates that you changed it and that the quote didn't include an ellipsis. Right now it could be classified as a misquote.
            $endgroup$
            – David Archibald
            Dec 25 '18 at 3:25






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @DavidArchibald that’s what an ellipsis (...) means
            $endgroup$
            – Dale M
            Dec 25 '18 at 3:48










          • $begingroup$
            That's a good question for some other Exchange: How do you quote an ellipsis?
            $endgroup$
            – Shawn V. Wilson
            Dec 25 '18 at 4:02










          • $begingroup$
            This answer already exist, and I'm sure others exist. I suggested using bracketed ellipsis in this case because I was a little confused when I first read it, and in general just to be consistent with other direct quotation modifications. It's definitely a style issue with different sugestions like: "[...]" or "..." or ". . ." or ". . . ." I simply prefer the first, and think it fits the situation.
            $endgroup$
            – David Archibald
            Dec 25 '18 at 4:44








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            $begingroup$
            If I cast a glyph of warding that makes the room light up in green if a chaotic-aligned creature walks in, then the magic is letting me know your alignment. Either the Ring has to make the magic fail, or it has to somehow make me misinterpret the results. (Yes, this ties into a much bigger problem with glyph of warding.)
            $endgroup$
            – Mark Wells
            Dec 25 '18 at 17:30














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          $begingroup$

          They affect you as normal




          you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to ... know your alignment




          None of the effects you mention do that, so the ring has no effect on them.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          They affect you as normal




          you are immune to magic that allows other creatures to ... know your alignment




          None of the effects you mention do that, so the ring has no effect on them.







          share|improve this answer














          share|improve this answer



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          • $begingroup$
            I'd suggest changing "..." to "[...]" because that demonstrates that you changed it and that the quote didn't include an ellipsis. Right now it could be classified as a misquote.
            $endgroup$
            – David Archibald
            Dec 25 '18 at 3:25






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @DavidArchibald that’s what an ellipsis (...) means
            $endgroup$
            – Dale M
            Dec 25 '18 at 3:48










          • $begingroup$
            That's a good question for some other Exchange: How do you quote an ellipsis?
            $endgroup$
            – Shawn V. Wilson
            Dec 25 '18 at 4:02










          • $begingroup$
            This answer already exist, and I'm sure others exist. I suggested using bracketed ellipsis in this case because I was a little confused when I first read it, and in general just to be consistent with other direct quotation modifications. It's definitely a style issue with different sugestions like: "[...]" or "..." or ". . ." or ". . . ." I simply prefer the first, and think it fits the situation.
            $endgroup$
            – David Archibald
            Dec 25 '18 at 4:44








          • 1




            $begingroup$
            If I cast a glyph of warding that makes the room light up in green if a chaotic-aligned creature walks in, then the magic is letting me know your alignment. Either the Ring has to make the magic fail, or it has to somehow make me misinterpret the results. (Yes, this ties into a much bigger problem with glyph of warding.)
            $endgroup$
            – Mark Wells
            Dec 25 '18 at 17:30


















          • $begingroup$
            I'd suggest changing "..." to "[...]" because that demonstrates that you changed it and that the quote didn't include an ellipsis. Right now it could be classified as a misquote.
            $endgroup$
            – David Archibald
            Dec 25 '18 at 3:25






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @DavidArchibald that’s what an ellipsis (...) means
            $endgroup$
            – Dale M
            Dec 25 '18 at 3:48










          • $begingroup$
            That's a good question for some other Exchange: How do you quote an ellipsis?
            $endgroup$
            – Shawn V. Wilson
            Dec 25 '18 at 4:02










          • $begingroup$
            This answer already exist, and I'm sure others exist. I suggested using bracketed ellipsis in this case because I was a little confused when I first read it, and in general just to be consistent with other direct quotation modifications. It's definitely a style issue with different sugestions like: "[...]" or "..." or ". . ." or ". . . ." I simply prefer the first, and think it fits the situation.
            $endgroup$
            – David Archibald
            Dec 25 '18 at 4:44








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            If I cast a glyph of warding that makes the room light up in green if a chaotic-aligned creature walks in, then the magic is letting me know your alignment. Either the Ring has to make the magic fail, or it has to somehow make me misinterpret the results. (Yes, this ties into a much bigger problem with glyph of warding.)
            $endgroup$
            – Mark Wells
            Dec 25 '18 at 17:30
















          $begingroup$
          I'd suggest changing "..." to "[...]" because that demonstrates that you changed it and that the quote didn't include an ellipsis. Right now it could be classified as a misquote.
          $endgroup$
          – David Archibald
          Dec 25 '18 at 3:25




          $begingroup$
          I'd suggest changing "..." to "[...]" because that demonstrates that you changed it and that the quote didn't include an ellipsis. Right now it could be classified as a misquote.
          $endgroup$
          – David Archibald
          Dec 25 '18 at 3:25




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          1




          $begingroup$
          @DavidArchibald that’s what an ellipsis (...) means
          $endgroup$
          – Dale M
          Dec 25 '18 at 3:48




          $begingroup$
          @DavidArchibald that’s what an ellipsis (...) means
          $endgroup$
          – Dale M
          Dec 25 '18 at 3:48












          $begingroup$
          That's a good question for some other Exchange: How do you quote an ellipsis?
          $endgroup$
          – Shawn V. Wilson
          Dec 25 '18 at 4:02




          $begingroup$
          That's a good question for some other Exchange: How do you quote an ellipsis?
          $endgroup$
          – Shawn V. Wilson
          Dec 25 '18 at 4:02












          $begingroup$
          This answer already exist, and I'm sure others exist. I suggested using bracketed ellipsis in this case because I was a little confused when I first read it, and in general just to be consistent with other direct quotation modifications. It's definitely a style issue with different sugestions like: "[...]" or "..." or ". . ." or ". . . ." I simply prefer the first, and think it fits the situation.
          $endgroup$
          – David Archibald
          Dec 25 '18 at 4:44






          $begingroup$
          This answer already exist, and I'm sure others exist. I suggested using bracketed ellipsis in this case because I was a little confused when I first read it, and in general just to be consistent with other direct quotation modifications. It's definitely a style issue with different sugestions like: "[...]" or "..." or ". . ." or ". . . ." I simply prefer the first, and think it fits the situation.
          $endgroup$
          – David Archibald
          Dec 25 '18 at 4:44






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          $begingroup$
          If I cast a glyph of warding that makes the room light up in green if a chaotic-aligned creature walks in, then the magic is letting me know your alignment. Either the Ring has to make the magic fail, or it has to somehow make me misinterpret the results. (Yes, this ties into a much bigger problem with glyph of warding.)
          $endgroup$
          – Mark Wells
          Dec 25 '18 at 17:30




          $begingroup$
          If I cast a glyph of warding that makes the room light up in green if a chaotic-aligned creature walks in, then the magic is letting me know your alignment. Either the Ring has to make the magic fail, or it has to somehow make me misinterpret the results. (Yes, this ties into a much bigger problem with glyph of warding.)
          $endgroup$
          – Mark Wells
          Dec 25 '18 at 17:30


















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