Why does Ramsay Snow engineer a sham escape?
I have watched Season 3 of Game of Thrones twice now and I still don't understand why Ramsay Snow engineers a sham escape for Theon Greyjoy.
Just to recap for anyone that does not remember, Ramsay, who is the illegitimate son of Lord Bolton, pretends to be a menial servant after Theon is betrayed and handed over to the Boltons at Winterfell. Then Ramsay, still pretending to be a servant, helps Theon escape, even killing 3 of the Bolton men pursuing him. He then leads Theon back to the Bolton Castle while pretending to lead him to freedom and Theon is imprisoned again.
What is the purpose of this sham escape? Is it explained in the book? Maybe explanatory material was edited out of the film?
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I have watched Season 3 of Game of Thrones twice now and I still don't understand why Ramsay Snow engineers a sham escape for Theon Greyjoy.
Just to recap for anyone that does not remember, Ramsay, who is the illegitimate son of Lord Bolton, pretends to be a menial servant after Theon is betrayed and handed over to the Boltons at Winterfell. Then Ramsay, still pretending to be a servant, helps Theon escape, even killing 3 of the Bolton men pursuing him. He then leads Theon back to the Bolton Castle while pretending to lead him to freedom and Theon is imprisoned again.
What is the purpose of this sham escape? Is it explained in the book? Maybe explanatory material was edited out of the film?
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I have watched Season 3 of Game of Thrones twice now and I still don't understand why Ramsay Snow engineers a sham escape for Theon Greyjoy.
Just to recap for anyone that does not remember, Ramsay, who is the illegitimate son of Lord Bolton, pretends to be a menial servant after Theon is betrayed and handed over to the Boltons at Winterfell. Then Ramsay, still pretending to be a servant, helps Theon escape, even killing 3 of the Bolton men pursuing him. He then leads Theon back to the Bolton Castle while pretending to lead him to freedom and Theon is imprisoned again.
What is the purpose of this sham escape? Is it explained in the book? Maybe explanatory material was edited out of the film?
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I have watched Season 3 of Game of Thrones twice now and I still don't understand why Ramsay Snow engineers a sham escape for Theon Greyjoy.
Just to recap for anyone that does not remember, Ramsay, who is the illegitimate son of Lord Bolton, pretends to be a menial servant after Theon is betrayed and handed over to the Boltons at Winterfell. Then Ramsay, still pretending to be a servant, helps Theon escape, even killing 3 of the Bolton men pursuing him. He then leads Theon back to the Bolton Castle while pretending to lead him to freedom and Theon is imprisoned again.
What is the purpose of this sham escape? Is it explained in the book? Maybe explanatory material was edited out of the film?
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What could be more torturous than thinking you are so close to freedom and safety to only realize suddenly that you are completely trapped again?
Ramsey wants to break him mentally as much as he wants to harm him physically. He is going to show that he has total control over all of Reek's life.
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Not only that. That simulated escape prevented him to try to escape when his sister went to rescue him. He thought it was another trap from Ramsay.
– Chococroc
Nov 27 at 8:20
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Agreed. It's a mental torture, more powerful and effective than any physical torture. This also helps to draw Ramsay's character as a sadistic psychopath who has no limits.
– Shadow Wizard
Nov 27 at 14:02
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More specifically, this is an extreme case of gaslighting. He's breaking Theon of his ability to trust his own judgement of a situation.
– Shufflepants
Nov 27 at 16:40
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I agree with @ShadowWizard's point about his personality as well. Ramsey is a sick individual. There's really no doubt he would have thoroughly enjoyed the whole process. The torture is practical, but Ramsey also clearly gets a kick out of doing it.
– Broots Waymb
Nov 29 at 17:30
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In the books, the situation is fairly different by this point, but Ramsay is well known for enjoying the sight of his victims thinking they have escaped, only to find out it was a sham.
From A Dance With Dragons - Reek 1 (A Theon Chapter)
He had run before. Years ago, it seemed, when he still had some strength in him, when he had still been defiant. That time it had been Kyra with the keys. She told him she had stolen them, that she knew a postern gate that was never guarded. "Take me back to Winterfell, m'lord," she begged, pale-faced and trembling. "I don't know the way. I can't escape alone. Come with me, please." And so he had. The gaoler was dead drunk in a puddle of wine, with his breeches down around his ankles. The dungeon door was open and the postern gate had been unguarded, just as she had said. They waited for the moon to go behind a cloud, then slipped from the castle and splashed across the Weeping Water, stumbling over stones, half-frozen by the icy stream. On the far side, he had kissed her. "You've saved us," he said. Fool. Fool.
It had all been a trap, a game, a jape. Lord Ramsay loved the chase and preferred to hunt two-legged prey. All night they ran through the darkling wood, but as the sun came up the sound of a distant horn came faintly through the trees, and they heard the baying of a pack of hounds. "We should split up," he told Kyra as the dogs drew closer. "They cannot track us both." The girl was crazed with fear, though, and refused to leave his side, even when he swore that he would raise a host of ironborn and come back for her if she should be the one they followed.
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+1 and there's also a line in the books showing how well this conditioning worked, leaving Theon too afraid of traps to take opportunities: "Theon drew the dagger. All I need do is turn and stab [Ramsay]. The knife is in my hand. He knew the game by then. Another trap he told himself [...] He wants me to try kill him. And when I fail, he'll...". More on this under the related Q about Season 5, Was Theon always loyal to Sansa?
– user568458
Nov 29 at 11:51
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I would also mention how he so successfully conditions Theon that later in the show he even thinks his sister is a trap causing a failed rescue attempt
– Andrey
Nov 29 at 21:52
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In addition to the answers that already explain how Ramsay used it as psychological torture to ensure that Theon wouldn't try to escape again in case it was another of Ramsay's traps, in the context of the show he also uses it as a way to interrogate Theon.
As Theon begins to trust the person who helped him escape, he confides in Ramsay at that moment that he never actually killed Bran and Rickon, but instead burned the bodies of 2 farm boys and posed them as the Stark children.
Ramsay later uses this information and shares it with Roose so that they can attempt to track down and kill the remaining Starks, as they could cause problems for them later on by potentially rallying other Northmen who support the Starks against the Boltons.
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I believe one more aspect was not covered by previous answers: Ramsay killing some Bolton men during the escape. IIRC, the older Lord Bolton was wary of his bastard, especially as he was (validly) the prime suspect to have killed the legitimate son and so rise to inheritance. So Ramsay was watched and guarded, to not do any more stupidities. And he was eager to lose the tail, perhaps even putting the blame on Theon if need be.
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This seems like a nice prospect for what he could have done, albeit a very minor one.
– TheLethalCarrot
Nov 27 at 16:18
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This is difficult to say for sure, as the same event doesn't occur in the books, but judging the TV episodes entirely on their own the motive seemed to be twofold.
First, Ramsay is doing it for kicks: the prospect of Theon thinking he was free only to find himself imprisoned again was something that Ramsay thought would be amusing.
Second, Ramsay at this point did not have a huge amount of power. He did not have a great deal of authority, and was not yet gained his father's approval (much less legitimisation). By helping to "recapture" Theon, Ramsay could show his usefulness within his House.
Bonus potential motive: Ramsay may have had a grudge against the other Bolton men he killed. Certainly he needed to kill them in order that the ruse was realistic to Theon, and also because his second motive would require he eliminate the competition. However, it is possible that there was animosity between the most prominant of the Bolton men (the one who was going to rape Theon) and Ramsay. Certainly his last words of "you little bastard" would indicate a lack of respect on his part. Notably it was the thing that Ramsay hated being called, most of all.
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In the TV show Ramsey engineers the escape so that he can claim the credit for recapturing Theon. During the escape he murders the Bolton men, then takes Theon back to the keep and announces that he has recaptured him.
One of the murdered Bolton men was Theon's interrogator, clearing the way for Ramsey to take over that role.
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To teach the prisoner that trying to escape is so risky there basically is no real chance for escape. Next time an opportunity appears he will likely remember the first time and how it went and then he won't try.
This protects Ramsay in case there would in fact be a real chance of him escaping, because the prisoner likely won't dare to try it. So the prisoners actually end up wanting to stay.
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And this is proven later on when there is an attempt to break him out and he refuses to leave fearing it's another trick.
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What could be more torturous than thinking you are so close to freedom and safety to only realize suddenly that you are completely trapped again?
Ramsey wants to break him mentally as much as he wants to harm him physically. He is going to show that he has total control over all of Reek's life.
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Not only that. That simulated escape prevented him to try to escape when his sister went to rescue him. He thought it was another trap from Ramsay.
– Chococroc
Nov 27 at 8:20
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Agreed. It's a mental torture, more powerful and effective than any physical torture. This also helps to draw Ramsay's character as a sadistic psychopath who has no limits.
– Shadow Wizard
Nov 27 at 14:02
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More specifically, this is an extreme case of gaslighting. He's breaking Theon of his ability to trust his own judgement of a situation.
– Shufflepants
Nov 27 at 16:40
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I agree with @ShadowWizard's point about his personality as well. Ramsey is a sick individual. There's really no doubt he would have thoroughly enjoyed the whole process. The torture is practical, but Ramsey also clearly gets a kick out of doing it.
– Broots Waymb
Nov 29 at 17:30
add a comment |
What could be more torturous than thinking you are so close to freedom and safety to only realize suddenly that you are completely trapped again?
Ramsey wants to break him mentally as much as he wants to harm him physically. He is going to show that he has total control over all of Reek's life.
85
Not only that. That simulated escape prevented him to try to escape when his sister went to rescue him. He thought it was another trap from Ramsay.
– Chococroc
Nov 27 at 8:20
16
Agreed. It's a mental torture, more powerful and effective than any physical torture. This also helps to draw Ramsay's character as a sadistic psychopath who has no limits.
– Shadow Wizard
Nov 27 at 14:02
11
More specifically, this is an extreme case of gaslighting. He's breaking Theon of his ability to trust his own judgement of a situation.
– Shufflepants
Nov 27 at 16:40
2
I agree with @ShadowWizard's point about his personality as well. Ramsey is a sick individual. There's really no doubt he would have thoroughly enjoyed the whole process. The torture is practical, but Ramsey also clearly gets a kick out of doing it.
– Broots Waymb
Nov 29 at 17:30
add a comment |
What could be more torturous than thinking you are so close to freedom and safety to only realize suddenly that you are completely trapped again?
Ramsey wants to break him mentally as much as he wants to harm him physically. He is going to show that he has total control over all of Reek's life.
What could be more torturous than thinking you are so close to freedom and safety to only realize suddenly that you are completely trapped again?
Ramsey wants to break him mentally as much as he wants to harm him physically. He is going to show that he has total control over all of Reek's life.
answered Nov 26 at 23:03
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Not only that. That simulated escape prevented him to try to escape when his sister went to rescue him. He thought it was another trap from Ramsay.
– Chococroc
Nov 27 at 8:20
16
Agreed. It's a mental torture, more powerful and effective than any physical torture. This also helps to draw Ramsay's character as a sadistic psychopath who has no limits.
– Shadow Wizard
Nov 27 at 14:02
11
More specifically, this is an extreme case of gaslighting. He's breaking Theon of his ability to trust his own judgement of a situation.
– Shufflepants
Nov 27 at 16:40
2
I agree with @ShadowWizard's point about his personality as well. Ramsey is a sick individual. There's really no doubt he would have thoroughly enjoyed the whole process. The torture is practical, but Ramsey also clearly gets a kick out of doing it.
– Broots Waymb
Nov 29 at 17:30
add a comment |
85
Not only that. That simulated escape prevented him to try to escape when his sister went to rescue him. He thought it was another trap from Ramsay.
– Chococroc
Nov 27 at 8:20
16
Agreed. It's a mental torture, more powerful and effective than any physical torture. This also helps to draw Ramsay's character as a sadistic psychopath who has no limits.
– Shadow Wizard
Nov 27 at 14:02
11
More specifically, this is an extreme case of gaslighting. He's breaking Theon of his ability to trust his own judgement of a situation.
– Shufflepants
Nov 27 at 16:40
2
I agree with @ShadowWizard's point about his personality as well. Ramsey is a sick individual. There's really no doubt he would have thoroughly enjoyed the whole process. The torture is practical, but Ramsey also clearly gets a kick out of doing it.
– Broots Waymb
Nov 29 at 17:30
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Not only that. That simulated escape prevented him to try to escape when his sister went to rescue him. He thought it was another trap from Ramsay.
– Chococroc
Nov 27 at 8:20
Not only that. That simulated escape prevented him to try to escape when his sister went to rescue him. He thought it was another trap from Ramsay.
– Chococroc
Nov 27 at 8:20
16
16
Agreed. It's a mental torture, more powerful and effective than any physical torture. This also helps to draw Ramsay's character as a sadistic psychopath who has no limits.
– Shadow Wizard
Nov 27 at 14:02
Agreed. It's a mental torture, more powerful and effective than any physical torture. This also helps to draw Ramsay's character as a sadistic psychopath who has no limits.
– Shadow Wizard
Nov 27 at 14:02
11
11
More specifically, this is an extreme case of gaslighting. He's breaking Theon of his ability to trust his own judgement of a situation.
– Shufflepants
Nov 27 at 16:40
More specifically, this is an extreme case of gaslighting. He's breaking Theon of his ability to trust his own judgement of a situation.
– Shufflepants
Nov 27 at 16:40
2
2
I agree with @ShadowWizard's point about his personality as well. Ramsey is a sick individual. There's really no doubt he would have thoroughly enjoyed the whole process. The torture is practical, but Ramsey also clearly gets a kick out of doing it.
– Broots Waymb
Nov 29 at 17:30
I agree with @ShadowWizard's point about his personality as well. Ramsey is a sick individual. There's really no doubt he would have thoroughly enjoyed the whole process. The torture is practical, but Ramsey also clearly gets a kick out of doing it.
– Broots Waymb
Nov 29 at 17:30
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In the books, the situation is fairly different by this point, but Ramsay is well known for enjoying the sight of his victims thinking they have escaped, only to find out it was a sham.
From A Dance With Dragons - Reek 1 (A Theon Chapter)
He had run before. Years ago, it seemed, when he still had some strength in him, when he had still been defiant. That time it had been Kyra with the keys. She told him she had stolen them, that she knew a postern gate that was never guarded. "Take me back to Winterfell, m'lord," she begged, pale-faced and trembling. "I don't know the way. I can't escape alone. Come with me, please." And so he had. The gaoler was dead drunk in a puddle of wine, with his breeches down around his ankles. The dungeon door was open and the postern gate had been unguarded, just as she had said. They waited for the moon to go behind a cloud, then slipped from the castle and splashed across the Weeping Water, stumbling over stones, half-frozen by the icy stream. On the far side, he had kissed her. "You've saved us," he said. Fool. Fool.
It had all been a trap, a game, a jape. Lord Ramsay loved the chase and preferred to hunt two-legged prey. All night they ran through the darkling wood, but as the sun came up the sound of a distant horn came faintly through the trees, and they heard the baying of a pack of hounds. "We should split up," he told Kyra as the dogs drew closer. "They cannot track us both." The girl was crazed with fear, though, and refused to leave his side, even when he swore that he would raise a host of ironborn and come back for her if she should be the one they followed.
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+1 and there's also a line in the books showing how well this conditioning worked, leaving Theon too afraid of traps to take opportunities: "Theon drew the dagger. All I need do is turn and stab [Ramsay]. The knife is in my hand. He knew the game by then. Another trap he told himself [...] He wants me to try kill him. And when I fail, he'll...". More on this under the related Q about Season 5, Was Theon always loyal to Sansa?
– user568458
Nov 29 at 11:51
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I would also mention how he so successfully conditions Theon that later in the show he even thinks his sister is a trap causing a failed rescue attempt
– Andrey
Nov 29 at 21:52
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In the books, the situation is fairly different by this point, but Ramsay is well known for enjoying the sight of his victims thinking they have escaped, only to find out it was a sham.
From A Dance With Dragons - Reek 1 (A Theon Chapter)
He had run before. Years ago, it seemed, when he still had some strength in him, when he had still been defiant. That time it had been Kyra with the keys. She told him she had stolen them, that she knew a postern gate that was never guarded. "Take me back to Winterfell, m'lord," she begged, pale-faced and trembling. "I don't know the way. I can't escape alone. Come with me, please." And so he had. The gaoler was dead drunk in a puddle of wine, with his breeches down around his ankles. The dungeon door was open and the postern gate had been unguarded, just as she had said. They waited for the moon to go behind a cloud, then slipped from the castle and splashed across the Weeping Water, stumbling over stones, half-frozen by the icy stream. On the far side, he had kissed her. "You've saved us," he said. Fool. Fool.
It had all been a trap, a game, a jape. Lord Ramsay loved the chase and preferred to hunt two-legged prey. All night they ran through the darkling wood, but as the sun came up the sound of a distant horn came faintly through the trees, and they heard the baying of a pack of hounds. "We should split up," he told Kyra as the dogs drew closer. "They cannot track us both." The girl was crazed with fear, though, and refused to leave his side, even when he swore that he would raise a host of ironborn and come back for her if she should be the one they followed.
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+1 and there's also a line in the books showing how well this conditioning worked, leaving Theon too afraid of traps to take opportunities: "Theon drew the dagger. All I need do is turn and stab [Ramsay]. The knife is in my hand. He knew the game by then. Another trap he told himself [...] He wants me to try kill him. And when I fail, he'll...". More on this under the related Q about Season 5, Was Theon always loyal to Sansa?
– user568458
Nov 29 at 11:51
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I would also mention how he so successfully conditions Theon that later in the show he even thinks his sister is a trap causing a failed rescue attempt
– Andrey
Nov 29 at 21:52
add a comment |
In the books, the situation is fairly different by this point, but Ramsay is well known for enjoying the sight of his victims thinking they have escaped, only to find out it was a sham.
From A Dance With Dragons - Reek 1 (A Theon Chapter)
He had run before. Years ago, it seemed, when he still had some strength in him, when he had still been defiant. That time it had been Kyra with the keys. She told him she had stolen them, that she knew a postern gate that was never guarded. "Take me back to Winterfell, m'lord," she begged, pale-faced and trembling. "I don't know the way. I can't escape alone. Come with me, please." And so he had. The gaoler was dead drunk in a puddle of wine, with his breeches down around his ankles. The dungeon door was open and the postern gate had been unguarded, just as she had said. They waited for the moon to go behind a cloud, then slipped from the castle and splashed across the Weeping Water, stumbling over stones, half-frozen by the icy stream. On the far side, he had kissed her. "You've saved us," he said. Fool. Fool.
It had all been a trap, a game, a jape. Lord Ramsay loved the chase and preferred to hunt two-legged prey. All night they ran through the darkling wood, but as the sun came up the sound of a distant horn came faintly through the trees, and they heard the baying of a pack of hounds. "We should split up," he told Kyra as the dogs drew closer. "They cannot track us both." The girl was crazed with fear, though, and refused to leave his side, even when he swore that he would raise a host of ironborn and come back for her if she should be the one they followed.
In the books, the situation is fairly different by this point, but Ramsay is well known for enjoying the sight of his victims thinking they have escaped, only to find out it was a sham.
From A Dance With Dragons - Reek 1 (A Theon Chapter)
He had run before. Years ago, it seemed, when he still had some strength in him, when he had still been defiant. That time it had been Kyra with the keys. She told him she had stolen them, that she knew a postern gate that was never guarded. "Take me back to Winterfell, m'lord," she begged, pale-faced and trembling. "I don't know the way. I can't escape alone. Come with me, please." And so he had. The gaoler was dead drunk in a puddle of wine, with his breeches down around his ankles. The dungeon door was open and the postern gate had been unguarded, just as she had said. They waited for the moon to go behind a cloud, then slipped from the castle and splashed across the Weeping Water, stumbling over stones, half-frozen by the icy stream. On the far side, he had kissed her. "You've saved us," he said. Fool. Fool.
It had all been a trap, a game, a jape. Lord Ramsay loved the chase and preferred to hunt two-legged prey. All night they ran through the darkling wood, but as the sun came up the sound of a distant horn came faintly through the trees, and they heard the baying of a pack of hounds. "We should split up," he told Kyra as the dogs drew closer. "They cannot track us both." The girl was crazed with fear, though, and refused to leave his side, even when he swore that he would raise a host of ironborn and come back for her if she should be the one they followed.
answered Nov 27 at 11:58
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+1 and there's also a line in the books showing how well this conditioning worked, leaving Theon too afraid of traps to take opportunities: "Theon drew the dagger. All I need do is turn and stab [Ramsay]. The knife is in my hand. He knew the game by then. Another trap he told himself [...] He wants me to try kill him. And when I fail, he'll...". More on this under the related Q about Season 5, Was Theon always loyal to Sansa?
– user568458
Nov 29 at 11:51
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I would also mention how he so successfully conditions Theon that later in the show he even thinks his sister is a trap causing a failed rescue attempt
– Andrey
Nov 29 at 21:52
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+1 and there's also a line in the books showing how well this conditioning worked, leaving Theon too afraid of traps to take opportunities: "Theon drew the dagger. All I need do is turn and stab [Ramsay]. The knife is in my hand. He knew the game by then. Another trap he told himself [...] He wants me to try kill him. And when I fail, he'll...". More on this under the related Q about Season 5, Was Theon always loyal to Sansa?
– user568458
Nov 29 at 11:51
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I would also mention how he so successfully conditions Theon that later in the show he even thinks his sister is a trap causing a failed rescue attempt
– Andrey
Nov 29 at 21:52
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+1 and there's also a line in the books showing how well this conditioning worked, leaving Theon too afraid of traps to take opportunities: "Theon drew the dagger. All I need do is turn and stab [Ramsay]. The knife is in my hand. He knew the game by then. Another trap he told himself [...] He wants me to try kill him. And when I fail, he'll...". More on this under the related Q about Season 5, Was Theon always loyal to Sansa?
– user568458
Nov 29 at 11:51
+1 and there's also a line in the books showing how well this conditioning worked, leaving Theon too afraid of traps to take opportunities: "Theon drew the dagger. All I need do is turn and stab [Ramsay]. The knife is in my hand. He knew the game by then. Another trap he told himself [...] He wants me to try kill him. And when I fail, he'll...". More on this under the related Q about Season 5, Was Theon always loyal to Sansa?
– user568458
Nov 29 at 11:51
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I would also mention how he so successfully conditions Theon that later in the show he even thinks his sister is a trap causing a failed rescue attempt
– Andrey
Nov 29 at 21:52
I would also mention how he so successfully conditions Theon that later in the show he even thinks his sister is a trap causing a failed rescue attempt
– Andrey
Nov 29 at 21:52
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In addition to the answers that already explain how Ramsay used it as psychological torture to ensure that Theon wouldn't try to escape again in case it was another of Ramsay's traps, in the context of the show he also uses it as a way to interrogate Theon.
As Theon begins to trust the person who helped him escape, he confides in Ramsay at that moment that he never actually killed Bran and Rickon, but instead burned the bodies of 2 farm boys and posed them as the Stark children.
Ramsay later uses this information and shares it with Roose so that they can attempt to track down and kill the remaining Starks, as they could cause problems for them later on by potentially rallying other Northmen who support the Starks against the Boltons.
add a comment |
In addition to the answers that already explain how Ramsay used it as psychological torture to ensure that Theon wouldn't try to escape again in case it was another of Ramsay's traps, in the context of the show he also uses it as a way to interrogate Theon.
As Theon begins to trust the person who helped him escape, he confides in Ramsay at that moment that he never actually killed Bran and Rickon, but instead burned the bodies of 2 farm boys and posed them as the Stark children.
Ramsay later uses this information and shares it with Roose so that they can attempt to track down and kill the remaining Starks, as they could cause problems for them later on by potentially rallying other Northmen who support the Starks against the Boltons.
add a comment |
In addition to the answers that already explain how Ramsay used it as psychological torture to ensure that Theon wouldn't try to escape again in case it was another of Ramsay's traps, in the context of the show he also uses it as a way to interrogate Theon.
As Theon begins to trust the person who helped him escape, he confides in Ramsay at that moment that he never actually killed Bran and Rickon, but instead burned the bodies of 2 farm boys and posed them as the Stark children.
Ramsay later uses this information and shares it with Roose so that they can attempt to track down and kill the remaining Starks, as they could cause problems for them later on by potentially rallying other Northmen who support the Starks against the Boltons.
In addition to the answers that already explain how Ramsay used it as psychological torture to ensure that Theon wouldn't try to escape again in case it was another of Ramsay's traps, in the context of the show he also uses it as a way to interrogate Theon.
As Theon begins to trust the person who helped him escape, he confides in Ramsay at that moment that he never actually killed Bran and Rickon, but instead burned the bodies of 2 farm boys and posed them as the Stark children.
Ramsay later uses this information and shares it with Roose so that they can attempt to track down and kill the remaining Starks, as they could cause problems for them later on by potentially rallying other Northmen who support the Starks against the Boltons.
answered Nov 27 at 14:33
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I believe one more aspect was not covered by previous answers: Ramsay killing some Bolton men during the escape. IIRC, the older Lord Bolton was wary of his bastard, especially as he was (validly) the prime suspect to have killed the legitimate son and so rise to inheritance. So Ramsay was watched and guarded, to not do any more stupidities. And he was eager to lose the tail, perhaps even putting the blame on Theon if need be.
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This seems like a nice prospect for what he could have done, albeit a very minor one.
– TheLethalCarrot
Nov 27 at 16:18
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I believe one more aspect was not covered by previous answers: Ramsay killing some Bolton men during the escape. IIRC, the older Lord Bolton was wary of his bastard, especially as he was (validly) the prime suspect to have killed the legitimate son and so rise to inheritance. So Ramsay was watched and guarded, to not do any more stupidities. And he was eager to lose the tail, perhaps even putting the blame on Theon if need be.
1
This seems like a nice prospect for what he could have done, albeit a very minor one.
– TheLethalCarrot
Nov 27 at 16:18
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I believe one more aspect was not covered by previous answers: Ramsay killing some Bolton men during the escape. IIRC, the older Lord Bolton was wary of his bastard, especially as he was (validly) the prime suspect to have killed the legitimate son and so rise to inheritance. So Ramsay was watched and guarded, to not do any more stupidities. And he was eager to lose the tail, perhaps even putting the blame on Theon if need be.
I believe one more aspect was not covered by previous answers: Ramsay killing some Bolton men during the escape. IIRC, the older Lord Bolton was wary of his bastard, especially as he was (validly) the prime suspect to have killed the legitimate son and so rise to inheritance. So Ramsay was watched and guarded, to not do any more stupidities. And he was eager to lose the tail, perhaps even putting the blame on Theon if need be.
answered Nov 27 at 16:14
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This seems like a nice prospect for what he could have done, albeit a very minor one.
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Nov 27 at 16:18
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This seems like a nice prospect for what he could have done, albeit a very minor one.
– TheLethalCarrot
Nov 27 at 16:18
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This seems like a nice prospect for what he could have done, albeit a very minor one.
– TheLethalCarrot
Nov 27 at 16:18
This seems like a nice prospect for what he could have done, albeit a very minor one.
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Nov 27 at 16:18
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This is difficult to say for sure, as the same event doesn't occur in the books, but judging the TV episodes entirely on their own the motive seemed to be twofold.
First, Ramsay is doing it for kicks: the prospect of Theon thinking he was free only to find himself imprisoned again was something that Ramsay thought would be amusing.
Second, Ramsay at this point did not have a huge amount of power. He did not have a great deal of authority, and was not yet gained his father's approval (much less legitimisation). By helping to "recapture" Theon, Ramsay could show his usefulness within his House.
Bonus potential motive: Ramsay may have had a grudge against the other Bolton men he killed. Certainly he needed to kill them in order that the ruse was realistic to Theon, and also because his second motive would require he eliminate the competition. However, it is possible that there was animosity between the most prominant of the Bolton men (the one who was going to rape Theon) and Ramsay. Certainly his last words of "you little bastard" would indicate a lack of respect on his part. Notably it was the thing that Ramsay hated being called, most of all.
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This is difficult to say for sure, as the same event doesn't occur in the books, but judging the TV episodes entirely on their own the motive seemed to be twofold.
First, Ramsay is doing it for kicks: the prospect of Theon thinking he was free only to find himself imprisoned again was something that Ramsay thought would be amusing.
Second, Ramsay at this point did not have a huge amount of power. He did not have a great deal of authority, and was not yet gained his father's approval (much less legitimisation). By helping to "recapture" Theon, Ramsay could show his usefulness within his House.
Bonus potential motive: Ramsay may have had a grudge against the other Bolton men he killed. Certainly he needed to kill them in order that the ruse was realistic to Theon, and also because his second motive would require he eliminate the competition. However, it is possible that there was animosity between the most prominant of the Bolton men (the one who was going to rape Theon) and Ramsay. Certainly his last words of "you little bastard" would indicate a lack of respect on his part. Notably it was the thing that Ramsay hated being called, most of all.
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This is difficult to say for sure, as the same event doesn't occur in the books, but judging the TV episodes entirely on their own the motive seemed to be twofold.
First, Ramsay is doing it for kicks: the prospect of Theon thinking he was free only to find himself imprisoned again was something that Ramsay thought would be amusing.
Second, Ramsay at this point did not have a huge amount of power. He did not have a great deal of authority, and was not yet gained his father's approval (much less legitimisation). By helping to "recapture" Theon, Ramsay could show his usefulness within his House.
Bonus potential motive: Ramsay may have had a grudge against the other Bolton men he killed. Certainly he needed to kill them in order that the ruse was realistic to Theon, and also because his second motive would require he eliminate the competition. However, it is possible that there was animosity between the most prominant of the Bolton men (the one who was going to rape Theon) and Ramsay. Certainly his last words of "you little bastard" would indicate a lack of respect on his part. Notably it was the thing that Ramsay hated being called, most of all.
This is difficult to say for sure, as the same event doesn't occur in the books, but judging the TV episodes entirely on their own the motive seemed to be twofold.
First, Ramsay is doing it for kicks: the prospect of Theon thinking he was free only to find himself imprisoned again was something that Ramsay thought would be amusing.
Second, Ramsay at this point did not have a huge amount of power. He did not have a great deal of authority, and was not yet gained his father's approval (much less legitimisation). By helping to "recapture" Theon, Ramsay could show his usefulness within his House.
Bonus potential motive: Ramsay may have had a grudge against the other Bolton men he killed. Certainly he needed to kill them in order that the ruse was realistic to Theon, and also because his second motive would require he eliminate the competition. However, it is possible that there was animosity between the most prominant of the Bolton men (the one who was going to rape Theon) and Ramsay. Certainly his last words of "you little bastard" would indicate a lack of respect on his part. Notably it was the thing that Ramsay hated being called, most of all.
answered Nov 29 at 12:49
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In the TV show Ramsey engineers the escape so that he can claim the credit for recapturing Theon. During the escape he murders the Bolton men, then takes Theon back to the keep and announces that he has recaptured him.
One of the murdered Bolton men was Theon's interrogator, clearing the way for Ramsey to take over that role.
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In the TV show Ramsey engineers the escape so that he can claim the credit for recapturing Theon. During the escape he murders the Bolton men, then takes Theon back to the keep and announces that he has recaptured him.
One of the murdered Bolton men was Theon's interrogator, clearing the way for Ramsey to take over that role.
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In the TV show Ramsey engineers the escape so that he can claim the credit for recapturing Theon. During the escape he murders the Bolton men, then takes Theon back to the keep and announces that he has recaptured him.
One of the murdered Bolton men was Theon's interrogator, clearing the way for Ramsey to take over that role.
In the TV show Ramsey engineers the escape so that he can claim the credit for recapturing Theon. During the escape he murders the Bolton men, then takes Theon back to the keep and announces that he has recaptured him.
One of the murdered Bolton men was Theon's interrogator, clearing the way for Ramsey to take over that role.
answered Nov 30 at 10:56
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To teach the prisoner that trying to escape is so risky there basically is no real chance for escape. Next time an opportunity appears he will likely remember the first time and how it went and then he won't try.
This protects Ramsay in case there would in fact be a real chance of him escaping, because the prisoner likely won't dare to try it. So the prisoners actually end up wanting to stay.
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And this is proven later on when there is an attempt to break him out and he refuses to leave fearing it's another trick.
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To teach the prisoner that trying to escape is so risky there basically is no real chance for escape. Next time an opportunity appears he will likely remember the first time and how it went and then he won't try.
This protects Ramsay in case there would in fact be a real chance of him escaping, because the prisoner likely won't dare to try it. So the prisoners actually end up wanting to stay.
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And this is proven later on when there is an attempt to break him out and he refuses to leave fearing it's another trick.
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Nov 30 at 17:18
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To teach the prisoner that trying to escape is so risky there basically is no real chance for escape. Next time an opportunity appears he will likely remember the first time and how it went and then he won't try.
This protects Ramsay in case there would in fact be a real chance of him escaping, because the prisoner likely won't dare to try it. So the prisoners actually end up wanting to stay.
To teach the prisoner that trying to escape is so risky there basically is no real chance for escape. Next time an opportunity appears he will likely remember the first time and how it went and then he won't try.
This protects Ramsay in case there would in fact be a real chance of him escaping, because the prisoner likely won't dare to try it. So the prisoners actually end up wanting to stay.
answered Nov 30 at 14:23
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And this is proven later on when there is an attempt to break him out and he refuses to leave fearing it's another trick.
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Nov 30 at 17:18
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And this is proven later on when there is an attempt to break him out and he refuses to leave fearing it's another trick.
– Virusbomb
Nov 30 at 17:18
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And this is proven later on when there is an attempt to break him out and he refuses to leave fearing it's another trick.
– Virusbomb
Nov 30 at 17:18
And this is proven later on when there is an attempt to break him out and he refuses to leave fearing it's another trick.
– Virusbomb
Nov 30 at 17:18
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