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Put the $sqrt[2]{2}, sqrt[3]{3}, dots, sqrt[100]{100}$ numbers in to an increasing order.



I just have no idea. I can handle the numbers $sqrt[2^k]{2^k}$ numbers, but I can’t solve the problem.










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I had a test today and there was an extra problem I couldn’t solve.



Put the $sqrt[2]{2}, sqrt[3]{3}, dots, sqrt[100]{100}$ numbers in to an increasing order.



I just have no idea. I can handle the numbers $sqrt[2^k]{2^k}$ numbers, but I can’t solve the problem.










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I had a test today and there was an extra problem I couldn’t solve.



Put the $sqrt[2]{2}, sqrt[3]{3}, dots, sqrt[100]{100}$ numbers in to an increasing order.



I just have no idea. I can handle the numbers $sqrt[2^k]{2^k}$ numbers, but I can’t solve the problem.







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    Possible duplicate of Show that $n^{(1/n)}$ is eventually decreasing
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This is already solved here.
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Possible duplicate of Show that $n^{(1/n)}$ is eventually decreasing
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Consider the function $f(x)=x^{1/x}$ defined for $x>0$.



Then $f(x)=exp(frac{log x}{x})$ and so
$$
f'(x)=f(x)frac{1-log x}{x^2}
$$

which is positive over $(0,e)$ and negative over $(e,infty)$. So we know that
$$
sqrt[n]{n}>sqrt[n+1]{n+1}
$$

for $nge 3$.



Also $(sqrt{2})^6=8$, $(sqrt[3]{3})^6=9$, hence $sqrt{2}<sqrt[3]{3}$. Moreover $sqrt{2}=sqrt[4]{4}$.






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    I suppose you know how to study functions, you know power functions and also that you know how to de the derivative a combination of functions.



    Then, can you find a function that goes through all the points you are describing?






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      Hint 1 If you have differential calculus available: Differentiate $x mapsto x^{1 / x}$ (or, since $log$ is increasing, $x mapsto log(x^{1 / x}) = frac{log x}{x}$) to find a single maximum that lies between $2$ and $3$.



      Then, it remains only to find where in the list $sqrt{2}$ fits, but you've already written that you can handle the cases $sqrt[2^k]{2^k}$.



      Hint 2 Alternatively, we can compare the ratio $frac{sqrt[n + 1]{n + 1}}{sqrt[n]{n}}$ of successive values; raising that ratio to the $n(n + 1)$ power gives $$frac{(n + 1)^n}{n^{n + 1}} = frac{1}{n} left(1 + frac{1}{n}right)^n .$$ But $left(1 + frac{1}{n}right)^n$ increases monotonically to $e < 3$.






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        Note that $ln n^{1/n}=frac {ln n}{n}$



        Upon differentiating the function $$f(x)=frac {ln x}{x}$$
        we get $$f'(x)=frac {1-ln x}{x^2}<0$$ for $xge 3$



        Thus the sequence $n^{1/n}$ is decreasing for $nge 3$



        The ordering is $$ 1<2^{1/2}<3^{1/3}$$ and $3^{1/3}>4^{1/4}>5^{1/5}>.....$






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          Consider the function $f(x)=x^{1/x}$ defined for $x>0$.



          Then $f(x)=exp(frac{log x}{x})$ and so
          $$
          f'(x)=f(x)frac{1-log x}{x^2}
          $$

          which is positive over $(0,e)$ and negative over $(e,infty)$. So we know that
          $$
          sqrt[n]{n}>sqrt[n+1]{n+1}
          $$

          for $nge 3$.



          Also $(sqrt{2})^6=8$, $(sqrt[3]{3})^6=9$, hence $sqrt{2}<sqrt[3]{3}$. Moreover $sqrt{2}=sqrt[4]{4}$.






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            Consider the function $f(x)=x^{1/x}$ defined for $x>0$.



            Then $f(x)=exp(frac{log x}{x})$ and so
            $$
            f'(x)=f(x)frac{1-log x}{x^2}
            $$

            which is positive over $(0,e)$ and negative over $(e,infty)$. So we know that
            $$
            sqrt[n]{n}>sqrt[n+1]{n+1}
            $$

            for $nge 3$.



            Also $(sqrt{2})^6=8$, $(sqrt[3]{3})^6=9$, hence $sqrt{2}<sqrt[3]{3}$. Moreover $sqrt{2}=sqrt[4]{4}$.






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              Consider the function $f(x)=x^{1/x}$ defined for $x>0$.



              Then $f(x)=exp(frac{log x}{x})$ and so
              $$
              f'(x)=f(x)frac{1-log x}{x^2}
              $$

              which is positive over $(0,e)$ and negative over $(e,infty)$. So we know that
              $$
              sqrt[n]{n}>sqrt[n+1]{n+1}
              $$

              for $nge 3$.



              Also $(sqrt{2})^6=8$, $(sqrt[3]{3})^6=9$, hence $sqrt{2}<sqrt[3]{3}$. Moreover $sqrt{2}=sqrt[4]{4}$.






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              Consider the function $f(x)=x^{1/x}$ defined for $x>0$.



              Then $f(x)=exp(frac{log x}{x})$ and so
              $$
              f'(x)=f(x)frac{1-log x}{x^2}
              $$

              which is positive over $(0,e)$ and negative over $(e,infty)$. So we know that
              $$
              sqrt[n]{n}>sqrt[n+1]{n+1}
              $$

              for $nge 3$.



              Also $(sqrt{2})^6=8$, $(sqrt[3]{3})^6=9$, hence $sqrt{2}<sqrt[3]{3}$. Moreover $sqrt{2}=sqrt[4]{4}$.







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                  Hint only.



                  I suppose you know how to study functions, you know power functions and also that you know how to de the derivative a combination of functions.



                  Then, can you find a function that goes through all the points you are describing?






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                    I suppose you know how to study functions, you know power functions and also that you know how to de the derivative a combination of functions.



                    Then, can you find a function that goes through all the points you are describing?






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                      I suppose you know how to study functions, you know power functions and also that you know how to de the derivative a combination of functions.



                      Then, can you find a function that goes through all the points you are describing?






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                      Hint only.



                      I suppose you know how to study functions, you know power functions and also that you know how to de the derivative a combination of functions.



                      Then, can you find a function that goes through all the points you are describing?







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                          Hint 1 If you have differential calculus available: Differentiate $x mapsto x^{1 / x}$ (or, since $log$ is increasing, $x mapsto log(x^{1 / x}) = frac{log x}{x}$) to find a single maximum that lies between $2$ and $3$.



                          Then, it remains only to find where in the list $sqrt{2}$ fits, but you've already written that you can handle the cases $sqrt[2^k]{2^k}$.



                          Hint 2 Alternatively, we can compare the ratio $frac{sqrt[n + 1]{n + 1}}{sqrt[n]{n}}$ of successive values; raising that ratio to the $n(n + 1)$ power gives $$frac{(n + 1)^n}{n^{n + 1}} = frac{1}{n} left(1 + frac{1}{n}right)^n .$$ But $left(1 + frac{1}{n}right)^n$ increases monotonically to $e < 3$.






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                            Hint 1 If you have differential calculus available: Differentiate $x mapsto x^{1 / x}$ (or, since $log$ is increasing, $x mapsto log(x^{1 / x}) = frac{log x}{x}$) to find a single maximum that lies between $2$ and $3$.



                            Then, it remains only to find where in the list $sqrt{2}$ fits, but you've already written that you can handle the cases $sqrt[2^k]{2^k}$.



                            Hint 2 Alternatively, we can compare the ratio $frac{sqrt[n + 1]{n + 1}}{sqrt[n]{n}}$ of successive values; raising that ratio to the $n(n + 1)$ power gives $$frac{(n + 1)^n}{n^{n + 1}} = frac{1}{n} left(1 + frac{1}{n}right)^n .$$ But $left(1 + frac{1}{n}right)^n$ increases monotonically to $e < 3$.






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                              Hint 1 If you have differential calculus available: Differentiate $x mapsto x^{1 / x}$ (or, since $log$ is increasing, $x mapsto log(x^{1 / x}) = frac{log x}{x}$) to find a single maximum that lies between $2$ and $3$.



                              Then, it remains only to find where in the list $sqrt{2}$ fits, but you've already written that you can handle the cases $sqrt[2^k]{2^k}$.



                              Hint 2 Alternatively, we can compare the ratio $frac{sqrt[n + 1]{n + 1}}{sqrt[n]{n}}$ of successive values; raising that ratio to the $n(n + 1)$ power gives $$frac{(n + 1)^n}{n^{n + 1}} = frac{1}{n} left(1 + frac{1}{n}right)^n .$$ But $left(1 + frac{1}{n}right)^n$ increases monotonically to $e < 3$.






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                              Hint 1 If you have differential calculus available: Differentiate $x mapsto x^{1 / x}$ (or, since $log$ is increasing, $x mapsto log(x^{1 / x}) = frac{log x}{x}$) to find a single maximum that lies between $2$ and $3$.



                              Then, it remains only to find where in the list $sqrt{2}$ fits, but you've already written that you can handle the cases $sqrt[2^k]{2^k}$.



                              Hint 2 Alternatively, we can compare the ratio $frac{sqrt[n + 1]{n + 1}}{sqrt[n]{n}}$ of successive values; raising that ratio to the $n(n + 1)$ power gives $$frac{(n + 1)^n}{n^{n + 1}} = frac{1}{n} left(1 + frac{1}{n}right)^n .$$ But $left(1 + frac{1}{n}right)^n$ increases monotonically to $e < 3$.







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                                  Note that $ln n^{1/n}=frac {ln n}{n}$



                                  Upon differentiating the function $$f(x)=frac {ln x}{x}$$
                                  we get $$f'(x)=frac {1-ln x}{x^2}<0$$ for $xge 3$



                                  Thus the sequence $n^{1/n}$ is decreasing for $nge 3$



                                  The ordering is $$ 1<2^{1/2}<3^{1/3}$$ and $3^{1/3}>4^{1/4}>5^{1/5}>.....$






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                                    Note that $ln n^{1/n}=frac {ln n}{n}$



                                    Upon differentiating the function $$f(x)=frac {ln x}{x}$$
                                    we get $$f'(x)=frac {1-ln x}{x^2}<0$$ for $xge 3$



                                    Thus the sequence $n^{1/n}$ is decreasing for $nge 3$



                                    The ordering is $$ 1<2^{1/2}<3^{1/3}$$ and $3^{1/3}>4^{1/4}>5^{1/5}>.....$






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                                      Note that $ln n^{1/n}=frac {ln n}{n}$



                                      Upon differentiating the function $$f(x)=frac {ln x}{x}$$
                                      we get $$f'(x)=frac {1-ln x}{x^2}<0$$ for $xge 3$



                                      Thus the sequence $n^{1/n}$ is decreasing for $nge 3$



                                      The ordering is $$ 1<2^{1/2}<3^{1/3}$$ and $3^{1/3}>4^{1/4}>5^{1/5}>.....$






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                                      Note that $ln n^{1/n}=frac {ln n}{n}$



                                      Upon differentiating the function $$f(x)=frac {ln x}{x}$$
                                      we get $$f'(x)=frac {1-ln x}{x^2}<0$$ for $xge 3$



                                      Thus the sequence $n^{1/n}$ is decreasing for $nge 3$



                                      The ordering is $$ 1<2^{1/2}<3^{1/3}$$ and $3^{1/3}>4^{1/4}>5^{1/5}>.....$







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