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For weapons like the spear that have the Thrown property, can a Rogue use sneak attack with them?

Thrown is considered a ranged attack and Sneak Attack specifies that "The attack must use a finesse or ranged weapon."

Does this mean a rogue could potentially apply Sneak Attack to an attack using a spear as it is technically a ranged weapon? If so, would this also work if you were using the spear in melee?










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For weapons like the spear that have the Thrown property, can a Rogue use sneak attack with them?

Thrown is considered a ranged attack and Sneak Attack specifies that "The attack must use a finesse or ranged weapon."

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For weapons like the spear that have the Thrown property, can a Rogue use sneak attack with them?

Thrown is considered a ranged attack and Sneak Attack specifies that "The attack must use a finesse or ranged weapon."

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Does this mean a rogue could potentially apply Sneak Attack to an attack using a spear as it is technically a ranged weapon? If so, would this also work if you were using the spear in melee?







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Sneak Attack does not work with melee weapons that have the thrown property, but lack the finesse property



The Rogue's Sneak Attack feature states:




The attack must use a finesse or a ranged weapon.




A melee weapon cannot simultaneously be a ranged weapon, because as the Weapons section (PHB, p146) states:




Every weapon is classified as either melee or ranged.




In fact, a weapon must be listed in either the Simple or Martial Ranged Weapons tables to be considered a ranged weapon.



Moreover, the thrown property (PHB, p146) does not turn a melee weapon into a ranged weapon. It states:




If a weapon has the thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack. If the weapon is a melee weapon, you use the same ability modifier for that attack roll and damage roll that you would use for a melee attack with the weapon. For example, if you throw a handaxe, you use your Strength, but if you throw a dagger, you can use either your Strength or your Dexterity, since the dagger has the finesse property.




Making a ranged attack does not imply using a ranged weapon.



The thrown property allows you to make a ranged attack by throwing the melee weapon despite it being a melee weapon.



Whether or not you throw a melee weapon does not matter. If it lacks the finesse property, then it won't work with Sneak Attack.






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    +1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
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No. A thrown weapon is not a ranged weapon for Sneak Attack.



TL;DR: A melee weapon does not become a ranged weapon even if you throw it, nor does it count as a ranged weapon.



This is also discussed in Miniman's answer to the question: "Are weapons with the “Thrown” property considered a “Ranged Weapon” for the purpose of sharpshooter?".



Like Sneak Attack, another class feature that requires a ranged weapon is the Archery fighting style. For that feature, there is a canonical answer regarding whether thrown weapons count as ranged weapons. Per the Sage Advice Compendium, they do not:




Does the Archery fighting style work with a melee weapon that you throw? No, the Archery feature benefits ranged weapons. A melee weapon, such as a dagger or handaxe, is still a melee weapon when you make a ranged attack with it.




So the spear in your example is not a ranged weapon, whether or not you throw it.






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    Sneak Attack does not work with melee weapons that have the thrown property, but lack the finesse property



    The Rogue's Sneak Attack feature states:




    The attack must use a finesse or a ranged weapon.




    A melee weapon cannot simultaneously be a ranged weapon, because as the Weapons section (PHB, p146) states:




    Every weapon is classified as either melee or ranged.




    In fact, a weapon must be listed in either the Simple or Martial Ranged Weapons tables to be considered a ranged weapon.



    Moreover, the thrown property (PHB, p146) does not turn a melee weapon into a ranged weapon. It states:




    If a weapon has the thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack. If the weapon is a melee weapon, you use the same ability modifier for that attack roll and damage roll that you would use for a melee attack with the weapon. For example, if you throw a handaxe, you use your Strength, but if you throw a dagger, you can use either your Strength or your Dexterity, since the dagger has the finesse property.




    Making a ranged attack does not imply using a ranged weapon.



    The thrown property allows you to make a ranged attack by throwing the melee weapon despite it being a melee weapon.



    Whether or not you throw a melee weapon does not matter. If it lacks the finesse property, then it won't work with Sneak Attack.






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      +1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
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      "Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
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    Sneak Attack does not work with melee weapons that have the thrown property, but lack the finesse property



    The Rogue's Sneak Attack feature states:




    The attack must use a finesse or a ranged weapon.




    A melee weapon cannot simultaneously be a ranged weapon, because as the Weapons section (PHB, p146) states:




    Every weapon is classified as either melee or ranged.




    In fact, a weapon must be listed in either the Simple or Martial Ranged Weapons tables to be considered a ranged weapon.



    Moreover, the thrown property (PHB, p146) does not turn a melee weapon into a ranged weapon. It states:




    If a weapon has the thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack. If the weapon is a melee weapon, you use the same ability modifier for that attack roll and damage roll that you would use for a melee attack with the weapon. For example, if you throw a handaxe, you use your Strength, but if you throw a dagger, you can use either your Strength or your Dexterity, since the dagger has the finesse property.




    Making a ranged attack does not imply using a ranged weapon.



    The thrown property allows you to make a ranged attack by throwing the melee weapon despite it being a melee weapon.



    Whether or not you throw a melee weapon does not matter. If it lacks the finesse property, then it won't work with Sneak Attack.






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      +1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
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      "Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
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    Sneak Attack does not work with melee weapons that have the thrown property, but lack the finesse property



    The Rogue's Sneak Attack feature states:




    The attack must use a finesse or a ranged weapon.




    A melee weapon cannot simultaneously be a ranged weapon, because as the Weapons section (PHB, p146) states:




    Every weapon is classified as either melee or ranged.




    In fact, a weapon must be listed in either the Simple or Martial Ranged Weapons tables to be considered a ranged weapon.



    Moreover, the thrown property (PHB, p146) does not turn a melee weapon into a ranged weapon. It states:




    If a weapon has the thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack. If the weapon is a melee weapon, you use the same ability modifier for that attack roll and damage roll that you would use for a melee attack with the weapon. For example, if you throw a handaxe, you use your Strength, but if you throw a dagger, you can use either your Strength or your Dexterity, since the dagger has the finesse property.




    Making a ranged attack does not imply using a ranged weapon.



    The thrown property allows you to make a ranged attack by throwing the melee weapon despite it being a melee weapon.



    Whether or not you throw a melee weapon does not matter. If it lacks the finesse property, then it won't work with Sneak Attack.






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    Sneak Attack does not work with melee weapons that have the thrown property, but lack the finesse property



    The Rogue's Sneak Attack feature states:




    The attack must use a finesse or a ranged weapon.




    A melee weapon cannot simultaneously be a ranged weapon, because as the Weapons section (PHB, p146) states:




    Every weapon is classified as either melee or ranged.




    In fact, a weapon must be listed in either the Simple or Martial Ranged Weapons tables to be considered a ranged weapon.



    Moreover, the thrown property (PHB, p146) does not turn a melee weapon into a ranged weapon. It states:




    If a weapon has the thrown property, you can throw the weapon to make a ranged attack. If the weapon is a melee weapon, you use the same ability modifier for that attack roll and damage roll that you would use for a melee attack with the weapon. For example, if you throw a handaxe, you use your Strength, but if you throw a dagger, you can use either your Strength or your Dexterity, since the dagger has the finesse property.




    Making a ranged attack does not imply using a ranged weapon.



    The thrown property allows you to make a ranged attack by throwing the melee weapon despite it being a melee weapon.



    Whether or not you throw a melee weapon does not matter. If it lacks the finesse property, then it won't work with Sneak Attack.







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      +1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
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      "Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
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      +1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
      $endgroup$
      – linksassin
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      "Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
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    +1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
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    +1 For thrown weapons are not ranged weapons. That is clearly the OP's misunderstanding and is absolutely the most important point.
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    "Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
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    "Making a ranged attack does imply using a ranged weapon." - I assume you mean "does not". I've edited it accordingly.
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    No. A thrown weapon is not a ranged weapon for Sneak Attack.



    TL;DR: A melee weapon does not become a ranged weapon even if you throw it, nor does it count as a ranged weapon.



    This is also discussed in Miniman's answer to the question: "Are weapons with the “Thrown” property considered a “Ranged Weapon” for the purpose of sharpshooter?".



    Like Sneak Attack, another class feature that requires a ranged weapon is the Archery fighting style. For that feature, there is a canonical answer regarding whether thrown weapons count as ranged weapons. Per the Sage Advice Compendium, they do not:




    Does the Archery fighting style work with a melee weapon that you throw? No, the Archery feature benefits ranged weapons. A melee weapon, such as a dagger or handaxe, is still a melee weapon when you make a ranged attack with it.




    So the spear in your example is not a ranged weapon, whether or not you throw it.






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      No. A thrown weapon is not a ranged weapon for Sneak Attack.



      TL;DR: A melee weapon does not become a ranged weapon even if you throw it, nor does it count as a ranged weapon.



      This is also discussed in Miniman's answer to the question: "Are weapons with the “Thrown” property considered a “Ranged Weapon” for the purpose of sharpshooter?".



      Like Sneak Attack, another class feature that requires a ranged weapon is the Archery fighting style. For that feature, there is a canonical answer regarding whether thrown weapons count as ranged weapons. Per the Sage Advice Compendium, they do not:




      Does the Archery fighting style work with a melee weapon that you throw? No, the Archery feature benefits ranged weapons. A melee weapon, such as a dagger or handaxe, is still a melee weapon when you make a ranged attack with it.




      So the spear in your example is not a ranged weapon, whether or not you throw it.






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        No. A thrown weapon is not a ranged weapon for Sneak Attack.



        TL;DR: A melee weapon does not become a ranged weapon even if you throw it, nor does it count as a ranged weapon.



        This is also discussed in Miniman's answer to the question: "Are weapons with the “Thrown” property considered a “Ranged Weapon” for the purpose of sharpshooter?".



        Like Sneak Attack, another class feature that requires a ranged weapon is the Archery fighting style. For that feature, there is a canonical answer regarding whether thrown weapons count as ranged weapons. Per the Sage Advice Compendium, they do not:




        Does the Archery fighting style work with a melee weapon that you throw? No, the Archery feature benefits ranged weapons. A melee weapon, such as a dagger or handaxe, is still a melee weapon when you make a ranged attack with it.




        So the spear in your example is not a ranged weapon, whether or not you throw it.






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        No. A thrown weapon is not a ranged weapon for Sneak Attack.



        TL;DR: A melee weapon does not become a ranged weapon even if you throw it, nor does it count as a ranged weapon.



        This is also discussed in Miniman's answer to the question: "Are weapons with the “Thrown” property considered a “Ranged Weapon” for the purpose of sharpshooter?".



        Like Sneak Attack, another class feature that requires a ranged weapon is the Archery fighting style. For that feature, there is a canonical answer regarding whether thrown weapons count as ranged weapons. Per the Sage Advice Compendium, they do not:




        Does the Archery fighting style work with a melee weapon that you throw? No, the Archery feature benefits ranged weapons. A melee weapon, such as a dagger or handaxe, is still a melee weapon when you make a ranged attack with it.




        So the spear in your example is not a ranged weapon, whether or not you throw it.







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