Finding eigenvalues of the laplacian operator
In order to find the engenvalues of the laplacian, this is what I did:
$$nabla u = -lambda u, (x^2 + y^2 <1)\u = 0, (x^2 + y^2 =1)$$
In order to solve this problem, I worked with the polar coordinate change of variables:
$$u(r,theta) = R(r)Theta(theta)$$
then the problem becomes $$u_{rr}+frac{1}{r}u_r + frac{1}{r^2}u_{thetatheta} = -lambda(R(r)Theta(theta))$$
which becomes
$$frac{R''(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r}frac{R'(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r^2}frac{Theta''(theta)}{Theta(theta)} = -lambda$$
Now do
$$frac{Theta''}{Theta} = -gammaimplies Theta'' +gammaTheta = 0$$ $$R''+frac{1}{r}R'+(lambda-frac{gamma}{r^2})R=0$$
The characteristic equation for $Theta''+ gammaTheta = 0$ is $p^2 + gamma=0$ or $p=pmsqrt{-gamma}$. We have a feasible solution only when $gamma>0$ (WHY?) thus $$Theta(theta) = Acossqrt{gamma}theta + Bsinsqrt{gamma}theta$$
which implies that $sqrt{gamma} = nin mathbb{N}$ due to the $2pi$-periodicity Finally we arrive at $$Theta(theta) = begin{cases}frac{1}{2}A_0,& n=0\A_ncos ntheta + B_nsin ntheta,& nin mathbb{N}end{cases}$$ for appropriate constants $A_0, A_n, B_n$
Next we solve $frac{R''(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r}frac{R'(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r^2}frac{Theta''(theta)}{Theta(theta)} = -lambda$ for $0le r < 1$. We impose that at the origin, $R(0)$ is finite. Also, the Dirichlet Boundary conditions require $R(1)=0$. We know that the Dirichlet-Laplacian eigenvalues are positive, so $lambda >0$
Now let us use the change of variable: $rho = sqrt{lambda} r$ which results in $R_r = R_{rho}frac{drho}{dr} = sqrt{lambda}R_{rho}, R_{rr} = lambda R_{rhorho}$
Now the equation can be rewritten as $$R_{rhorho}+frac{1}{rho}R_{rho} + (1-frac{n^2}{rho^2})R=0$$
which is the Bessel Equation which has solution $R(rho) = J_n(rho)$ where
$$J_n(rho) = sum_{k=0}^{infty} frac{(-1)^k}{k!(n+k)!}left(frac{rho}{2}right)^{n+2k}$$
So for $n$ in general $$u(r,theta) =
R(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})Theta(theta) =
J_n(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})(A_ncos ntheta + B_nsin ntheta)$$
and for the case $n=0$:
$$u(r,theta) = R(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})Theta(theta) =
J_0(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})(frac{1}{2}A_0)$$
Is this solution right? It seems kinda different from this solution in the page 5 where it shows the eigenvalues and eigenvectors
real-analysis differential-equations proof-verification pde
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In order to find the engenvalues of the laplacian, this is what I did:
$$nabla u = -lambda u, (x^2 + y^2 <1)\u = 0, (x^2 + y^2 =1)$$
In order to solve this problem, I worked with the polar coordinate change of variables:
$$u(r,theta) = R(r)Theta(theta)$$
then the problem becomes $$u_{rr}+frac{1}{r}u_r + frac{1}{r^2}u_{thetatheta} = -lambda(R(r)Theta(theta))$$
which becomes
$$frac{R''(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r}frac{R'(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r^2}frac{Theta''(theta)}{Theta(theta)} = -lambda$$
Now do
$$frac{Theta''}{Theta} = -gammaimplies Theta'' +gammaTheta = 0$$ $$R''+frac{1}{r}R'+(lambda-frac{gamma}{r^2})R=0$$
The characteristic equation for $Theta''+ gammaTheta = 0$ is $p^2 + gamma=0$ or $p=pmsqrt{-gamma}$. We have a feasible solution only when $gamma>0$ (WHY?) thus $$Theta(theta) = Acossqrt{gamma}theta + Bsinsqrt{gamma}theta$$
which implies that $sqrt{gamma} = nin mathbb{N}$ due to the $2pi$-periodicity Finally we arrive at $$Theta(theta) = begin{cases}frac{1}{2}A_0,& n=0\A_ncos ntheta + B_nsin ntheta,& nin mathbb{N}end{cases}$$ for appropriate constants $A_0, A_n, B_n$
Next we solve $frac{R''(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r}frac{R'(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r^2}frac{Theta''(theta)}{Theta(theta)} = -lambda$ for $0le r < 1$. We impose that at the origin, $R(0)$ is finite. Also, the Dirichlet Boundary conditions require $R(1)=0$. We know that the Dirichlet-Laplacian eigenvalues are positive, so $lambda >0$
Now let us use the change of variable: $rho = sqrt{lambda} r$ which results in $R_r = R_{rho}frac{drho}{dr} = sqrt{lambda}R_{rho}, R_{rr} = lambda R_{rhorho}$
Now the equation can be rewritten as $$R_{rhorho}+frac{1}{rho}R_{rho} + (1-frac{n^2}{rho^2})R=0$$
which is the Bessel Equation which has solution $R(rho) = J_n(rho)$ where
$$J_n(rho) = sum_{k=0}^{infty} frac{(-1)^k}{k!(n+k)!}left(frac{rho}{2}right)^{n+2k}$$
So for $n$ in general $$u(r,theta) =
R(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})Theta(theta) =
J_n(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})(A_ncos ntheta + B_nsin ntheta)$$
and for the case $n=0$:
$$u(r,theta) = R(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})Theta(theta) =
J_0(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})(frac{1}{2}A_0)$$
Is this solution right? It seems kinda different from this solution in the page 5 where it shows the eigenvalues and eigenvectors
real-analysis differential-equations proof-verification pde
You still have to evaluate the condition $J_n(frac1{sqrtλ})=0$, which gives discrete values for $λ$ which are the eigenvalues.
– LutzL
Nov 28 '18 at 17:12
You’re change of variables is not to polar coordinates, that is assuming the form of the solution to be seperable AFTER converting to polar coordinates.
– DaveNine
Nov 29 '18 at 1:35
@LutzL why $1$ in $frac{1}{sqrt{lambda}}$? Could you be more specific or write an answer? Thank you so much
– Lucas Zanella
Nov 29 '18 at 14:41
You are right, I was misled by the error in your last formulas. You should have $R(r)=R(fracρ{sqrtλ})=J_n(ρ)=J_n(rsqrtλ)$, so that the boundary condition leads to $J_n(sqrtλ)=0$. One problem is that you use $R$ for two functions of differently scaled variables, and you mix the scales wrongly in the conclusion of your computation.
– LutzL
Nov 29 '18 at 14:49
@LutzL do you know the WHY that I updated in my question?
– Lucas Zanella
Nov 29 '18 at 17:38
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show 4 more comments
In order to find the engenvalues of the laplacian, this is what I did:
$$nabla u = -lambda u, (x^2 + y^2 <1)\u = 0, (x^2 + y^2 =1)$$
In order to solve this problem, I worked with the polar coordinate change of variables:
$$u(r,theta) = R(r)Theta(theta)$$
then the problem becomes $$u_{rr}+frac{1}{r}u_r + frac{1}{r^2}u_{thetatheta} = -lambda(R(r)Theta(theta))$$
which becomes
$$frac{R''(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r}frac{R'(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r^2}frac{Theta''(theta)}{Theta(theta)} = -lambda$$
Now do
$$frac{Theta''}{Theta} = -gammaimplies Theta'' +gammaTheta = 0$$ $$R''+frac{1}{r}R'+(lambda-frac{gamma}{r^2})R=0$$
The characteristic equation for $Theta''+ gammaTheta = 0$ is $p^2 + gamma=0$ or $p=pmsqrt{-gamma}$. We have a feasible solution only when $gamma>0$ (WHY?) thus $$Theta(theta) = Acossqrt{gamma}theta + Bsinsqrt{gamma}theta$$
which implies that $sqrt{gamma} = nin mathbb{N}$ due to the $2pi$-periodicity Finally we arrive at $$Theta(theta) = begin{cases}frac{1}{2}A_0,& n=0\A_ncos ntheta + B_nsin ntheta,& nin mathbb{N}end{cases}$$ for appropriate constants $A_0, A_n, B_n$
Next we solve $frac{R''(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r}frac{R'(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r^2}frac{Theta''(theta)}{Theta(theta)} = -lambda$ for $0le r < 1$. We impose that at the origin, $R(0)$ is finite. Also, the Dirichlet Boundary conditions require $R(1)=0$. We know that the Dirichlet-Laplacian eigenvalues are positive, so $lambda >0$
Now let us use the change of variable: $rho = sqrt{lambda} r$ which results in $R_r = R_{rho}frac{drho}{dr} = sqrt{lambda}R_{rho}, R_{rr} = lambda R_{rhorho}$
Now the equation can be rewritten as $$R_{rhorho}+frac{1}{rho}R_{rho} + (1-frac{n^2}{rho^2})R=0$$
which is the Bessel Equation which has solution $R(rho) = J_n(rho)$ where
$$J_n(rho) = sum_{k=0}^{infty} frac{(-1)^k}{k!(n+k)!}left(frac{rho}{2}right)^{n+2k}$$
So for $n$ in general $$u(r,theta) =
R(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})Theta(theta) =
J_n(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})(A_ncos ntheta + B_nsin ntheta)$$
and for the case $n=0$:
$$u(r,theta) = R(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})Theta(theta) =
J_0(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})(frac{1}{2}A_0)$$
Is this solution right? It seems kinda different from this solution in the page 5 where it shows the eigenvalues and eigenvectors
real-analysis differential-equations proof-verification pde
In order to find the engenvalues of the laplacian, this is what I did:
$$nabla u = -lambda u, (x^2 + y^2 <1)\u = 0, (x^2 + y^2 =1)$$
In order to solve this problem, I worked with the polar coordinate change of variables:
$$u(r,theta) = R(r)Theta(theta)$$
then the problem becomes $$u_{rr}+frac{1}{r}u_r + frac{1}{r^2}u_{thetatheta} = -lambda(R(r)Theta(theta))$$
which becomes
$$frac{R''(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r}frac{R'(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r^2}frac{Theta''(theta)}{Theta(theta)} = -lambda$$
Now do
$$frac{Theta''}{Theta} = -gammaimplies Theta'' +gammaTheta = 0$$ $$R''+frac{1}{r}R'+(lambda-frac{gamma}{r^2})R=0$$
The characteristic equation for $Theta''+ gammaTheta = 0$ is $p^2 + gamma=0$ or $p=pmsqrt{-gamma}$. We have a feasible solution only when $gamma>0$ (WHY?) thus $$Theta(theta) = Acossqrt{gamma}theta + Bsinsqrt{gamma}theta$$
which implies that $sqrt{gamma} = nin mathbb{N}$ due to the $2pi$-periodicity Finally we arrive at $$Theta(theta) = begin{cases}frac{1}{2}A_0,& n=0\A_ncos ntheta + B_nsin ntheta,& nin mathbb{N}end{cases}$$ for appropriate constants $A_0, A_n, B_n$
Next we solve $frac{R''(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r}frac{R'(r)}{R(r)}+frac{1}{r^2}frac{Theta''(theta)}{Theta(theta)} = -lambda$ for $0le r < 1$. We impose that at the origin, $R(0)$ is finite. Also, the Dirichlet Boundary conditions require $R(1)=0$. We know that the Dirichlet-Laplacian eigenvalues are positive, so $lambda >0$
Now let us use the change of variable: $rho = sqrt{lambda} r$ which results in $R_r = R_{rho}frac{drho}{dr} = sqrt{lambda}R_{rho}, R_{rr} = lambda R_{rhorho}$
Now the equation can be rewritten as $$R_{rhorho}+frac{1}{rho}R_{rho} + (1-frac{n^2}{rho^2})R=0$$
which is the Bessel Equation which has solution $R(rho) = J_n(rho)$ where
$$J_n(rho) = sum_{k=0}^{infty} frac{(-1)^k}{k!(n+k)!}left(frac{rho}{2}right)^{n+2k}$$
So for $n$ in general $$u(r,theta) =
R(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})Theta(theta) =
J_n(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})(A_ncos ntheta + B_nsin ntheta)$$
and for the case $n=0$:
$$u(r,theta) = R(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})Theta(theta) =
J_0(frac{rho}{sqrt{lambda}})(frac{1}{2}A_0)$$
Is this solution right? It seems kinda different from this solution in the page 5 where it shows the eigenvalues and eigenvectors
real-analysis differential-equations proof-verification pde
real-analysis differential-equations proof-verification pde
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asked Nov 28 '18 at 16:23
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You still have to evaluate the condition $J_n(frac1{sqrtλ})=0$, which gives discrete values for $λ$ which are the eigenvalues.
– LutzL
Nov 28 '18 at 17:12
You’re change of variables is not to polar coordinates, that is assuming the form of the solution to be seperable AFTER converting to polar coordinates.
– DaveNine
Nov 29 '18 at 1:35
@LutzL why $1$ in $frac{1}{sqrt{lambda}}$? Could you be more specific or write an answer? Thank you so much
– Lucas Zanella
Nov 29 '18 at 14:41
You are right, I was misled by the error in your last formulas. You should have $R(r)=R(fracρ{sqrtλ})=J_n(ρ)=J_n(rsqrtλ)$, so that the boundary condition leads to $J_n(sqrtλ)=0$. One problem is that you use $R$ for two functions of differently scaled variables, and you mix the scales wrongly in the conclusion of your computation.
– LutzL
Nov 29 '18 at 14:49
@LutzL do you know the WHY that I updated in my question?
– Lucas Zanella
Nov 29 '18 at 17:38
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You still have to evaluate the condition $J_n(frac1{sqrtλ})=0$, which gives discrete values for $λ$ which are the eigenvalues.
– LutzL
Nov 28 '18 at 17:12
You’re change of variables is not to polar coordinates, that is assuming the form of the solution to be seperable AFTER converting to polar coordinates.
– DaveNine
Nov 29 '18 at 1:35
@LutzL why $1$ in $frac{1}{sqrt{lambda}}$? Could you be more specific or write an answer? Thank you so much
– Lucas Zanella
Nov 29 '18 at 14:41
You are right, I was misled by the error in your last formulas. You should have $R(r)=R(fracρ{sqrtλ})=J_n(ρ)=J_n(rsqrtλ)$, so that the boundary condition leads to $J_n(sqrtλ)=0$. One problem is that you use $R$ for two functions of differently scaled variables, and you mix the scales wrongly in the conclusion of your computation.
– LutzL
Nov 29 '18 at 14:49
@LutzL do you know the WHY that I updated in my question?
– Lucas Zanella
Nov 29 '18 at 17:38
You still have to evaluate the condition $J_n(frac1{sqrtλ})=0$, which gives discrete values for $λ$ which are the eigenvalues.
– LutzL
Nov 28 '18 at 17:12
You still have to evaluate the condition $J_n(frac1{sqrtλ})=0$, which gives discrete values for $λ$ which are the eigenvalues.
– LutzL
Nov 28 '18 at 17:12
You’re change of variables is not to polar coordinates, that is assuming the form of the solution to be seperable AFTER converting to polar coordinates.
– DaveNine
Nov 29 '18 at 1:35
You’re change of variables is not to polar coordinates, that is assuming the form of the solution to be seperable AFTER converting to polar coordinates.
– DaveNine
Nov 29 '18 at 1:35
@LutzL why $1$ in $frac{1}{sqrt{lambda}}$? Could you be more specific or write an answer? Thank you so much
– Lucas Zanella
Nov 29 '18 at 14:41
@LutzL why $1$ in $frac{1}{sqrt{lambda}}$? Could you be more specific or write an answer? Thank you so much
– Lucas Zanella
Nov 29 '18 at 14:41
You are right, I was misled by the error in your last formulas. You should have $R(r)=R(fracρ{sqrtλ})=J_n(ρ)=J_n(rsqrtλ)$, so that the boundary condition leads to $J_n(sqrtλ)=0$. One problem is that you use $R$ for two functions of differently scaled variables, and you mix the scales wrongly in the conclusion of your computation.
– LutzL
Nov 29 '18 at 14:49
You are right, I was misled by the error in your last formulas. You should have $R(r)=R(fracρ{sqrtλ})=J_n(ρ)=J_n(rsqrtλ)$, so that the boundary condition leads to $J_n(sqrtλ)=0$. One problem is that you use $R$ for two functions of differently scaled variables, and you mix the scales wrongly in the conclusion of your computation.
– LutzL
Nov 29 '18 at 14:49
@LutzL do you know the WHY that I updated in my question?
– Lucas Zanella
Nov 29 '18 at 17:38
@LutzL do you know the WHY that I updated in my question?
– Lucas Zanella
Nov 29 '18 at 17:38
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Your solution is correct up to the line where you introduce the Bessel functions. There you should have written
$$
R(fracρ{sqrtλ})=J_n(ρ)iff R(r)=J_n(sqrtλr).
$$
For greater clarity start earlier, when substituting $r$ with $ρ$ do not reuse the same function name for two different functions, write $R(r)=tilde R(ρ)$ where $ρ=sqrtλr$, $R_r=sqrtλtilde R_ρ$ etc., so that the Bessel equation is in $tilde R$ and its derivatives. Then its solution is $tilde R(ρ)=J_n(ρ).$ With that you get a clean back substitution
$$R(r)=tilde R(ρ)=tilde R(sqrtλr)=J_n(sqrtλr).$$
And as $R(1)=0$ we need that $sqrtλ$ is one of the roots of $J_n$.
Is $lambda>0$ in $nabla u = -lambda u, (x^2 + y^2 <1)$? If so, why it can't be negative?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 2 '18 at 19:55
Multiply with $u$, integrate, apply Green's theorem to get $$|∇u|_{L^2}^2=λ|u|_{L^2},$$ which implies that $λ>0$. You should correct the symbols, the Laplace operator isDelta
, $Delta$, whilenabla
, $nabla$, is used for the gradient.
– LutzL
Dec 2 '18 at 20:06
Why $theta$ must be $2pi$ periodic?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 5 '18 at 0:47
Because $Θ$ is a function on a circle. To be continuous on the full circle, you need $Θ(pi)=Θ(-pi)$ and thus, in extension from $[-pi,pi]$ to $Bbb R$, $Θ(θ+2pi)=Θ(θ)$.
– LutzL
Dec 5 '18 at 9:06
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Your solution is correct up to the line where you introduce the Bessel functions. There you should have written
$$
R(fracρ{sqrtλ})=J_n(ρ)iff R(r)=J_n(sqrtλr).
$$
For greater clarity start earlier, when substituting $r$ with $ρ$ do not reuse the same function name for two different functions, write $R(r)=tilde R(ρ)$ where $ρ=sqrtλr$, $R_r=sqrtλtilde R_ρ$ etc., so that the Bessel equation is in $tilde R$ and its derivatives. Then its solution is $tilde R(ρ)=J_n(ρ).$ With that you get a clean back substitution
$$R(r)=tilde R(ρ)=tilde R(sqrtλr)=J_n(sqrtλr).$$
And as $R(1)=0$ we need that $sqrtλ$ is one of the roots of $J_n$.
Is $lambda>0$ in $nabla u = -lambda u, (x^2 + y^2 <1)$? If so, why it can't be negative?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 2 '18 at 19:55
Multiply with $u$, integrate, apply Green's theorem to get $$|∇u|_{L^2}^2=λ|u|_{L^2},$$ which implies that $λ>0$. You should correct the symbols, the Laplace operator isDelta
, $Delta$, whilenabla
, $nabla$, is used for the gradient.
– LutzL
Dec 2 '18 at 20:06
Why $theta$ must be $2pi$ periodic?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 5 '18 at 0:47
Because $Θ$ is a function on a circle. To be continuous on the full circle, you need $Θ(pi)=Θ(-pi)$ and thus, in extension from $[-pi,pi]$ to $Bbb R$, $Θ(θ+2pi)=Θ(θ)$.
– LutzL
Dec 5 '18 at 9:06
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Your solution is correct up to the line where you introduce the Bessel functions. There you should have written
$$
R(fracρ{sqrtλ})=J_n(ρ)iff R(r)=J_n(sqrtλr).
$$
For greater clarity start earlier, when substituting $r$ with $ρ$ do not reuse the same function name for two different functions, write $R(r)=tilde R(ρ)$ where $ρ=sqrtλr$, $R_r=sqrtλtilde R_ρ$ etc., so that the Bessel equation is in $tilde R$ and its derivatives. Then its solution is $tilde R(ρ)=J_n(ρ).$ With that you get a clean back substitution
$$R(r)=tilde R(ρ)=tilde R(sqrtλr)=J_n(sqrtλr).$$
And as $R(1)=0$ we need that $sqrtλ$ is one of the roots of $J_n$.
Is $lambda>0$ in $nabla u = -lambda u, (x^2 + y^2 <1)$? If so, why it can't be negative?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 2 '18 at 19:55
Multiply with $u$, integrate, apply Green's theorem to get $$|∇u|_{L^2}^2=λ|u|_{L^2},$$ which implies that $λ>0$. You should correct the symbols, the Laplace operator isDelta
, $Delta$, whilenabla
, $nabla$, is used for the gradient.
– LutzL
Dec 2 '18 at 20:06
Why $theta$ must be $2pi$ periodic?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 5 '18 at 0:47
Because $Θ$ is a function on a circle. To be continuous on the full circle, you need $Θ(pi)=Θ(-pi)$ and thus, in extension from $[-pi,pi]$ to $Bbb R$, $Θ(θ+2pi)=Θ(θ)$.
– LutzL
Dec 5 '18 at 9:06
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Your solution is correct up to the line where you introduce the Bessel functions. There you should have written
$$
R(fracρ{sqrtλ})=J_n(ρ)iff R(r)=J_n(sqrtλr).
$$
For greater clarity start earlier, when substituting $r$ with $ρ$ do not reuse the same function name for two different functions, write $R(r)=tilde R(ρ)$ where $ρ=sqrtλr$, $R_r=sqrtλtilde R_ρ$ etc., so that the Bessel equation is in $tilde R$ and its derivatives. Then its solution is $tilde R(ρ)=J_n(ρ).$ With that you get a clean back substitution
$$R(r)=tilde R(ρ)=tilde R(sqrtλr)=J_n(sqrtλr).$$
And as $R(1)=0$ we need that $sqrtλ$ is one of the roots of $J_n$.
Your solution is correct up to the line where you introduce the Bessel functions. There you should have written
$$
R(fracρ{sqrtλ})=J_n(ρ)iff R(r)=J_n(sqrtλr).
$$
For greater clarity start earlier, when substituting $r$ with $ρ$ do not reuse the same function name for two different functions, write $R(r)=tilde R(ρ)$ where $ρ=sqrtλr$, $R_r=sqrtλtilde R_ρ$ etc., so that the Bessel equation is in $tilde R$ and its derivatives. Then its solution is $tilde R(ρ)=J_n(ρ).$ With that you get a clean back substitution
$$R(r)=tilde R(ρ)=tilde R(sqrtλr)=J_n(sqrtλr).$$
And as $R(1)=0$ we need that $sqrtλ$ is one of the roots of $J_n$.
answered Nov 29 '18 at 20:32
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Is $lambda>0$ in $nabla u = -lambda u, (x^2 + y^2 <1)$? If so, why it can't be negative?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 2 '18 at 19:55
Multiply with $u$, integrate, apply Green's theorem to get $$|∇u|_{L^2}^2=λ|u|_{L^2},$$ which implies that $λ>0$. You should correct the symbols, the Laplace operator isDelta
, $Delta$, whilenabla
, $nabla$, is used for the gradient.
– LutzL
Dec 2 '18 at 20:06
Why $theta$ must be $2pi$ periodic?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 5 '18 at 0:47
Because $Θ$ is a function on a circle. To be continuous on the full circle, you need $Θ(pi)=Θ(-pi)$ and thus, in extension from $[-pi,pi]$ to $Bbb R$, $Θ(θ+2pi)=Θ(θ)$.
– LutzL
Dec 5 '18 at 9:06
add a comment |
Is $lambda>0$ in $nabla u = -lambda u, (x^2 + y^2 <1)$? If so, why it can't be negative?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 2 '18 at 19:55
Multiply with $u$, integrate, apply Green's theorem to get $$|∇u|_{L^2}^2=λ|u|_{L^2},$$ which implies that $λ>0$. You should correct the symbols, the Laplace operator isDelta
, $Delta$, whilenabla
, $nabla$, is used for the gradient.
– LutzL
Dec 2 '18 at 20:06
Why $theta$ must be $2pi$ periodic?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 5 '18 at 0:47
Because $Θ$ is a function on a circle. To be continuous on the full circle, you need $Θ(pi)=Θ(-pi)$ and thus, in extension from $[-pi,pi]$ to $Bbb R$, $Θ(θ+2pi)=Θ(θ)$.
– LutzL
Dec 5 '18 at 9:06
Is $lambda>0$ in $nabla u = -lambda u, (x^2 + y^2 <1)$? If so, why it can't be negative?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 2 '18 at 19:55
Is $lambda>0$ in $nabla u = -lambda u, (x^2 + y^2 <1)$? If so, why it can't be negative?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 2 '18 at 19:55
Multiply with $u$, integrate, apply Green's theorem to get $$|∇u|_{L^2}^2=λ|u|_{L^2},$$ which implies that $λ>0$. You should correct the symbols, the Laplace operator is
Delta
, $Delta$, while nabla
, $nabla$, is used for the gradient.– LutzL
Dec 2 '18 at 20:06
Multiply with $u$, integrate, apply Green's theorem to get $$|∇u|_{L^2}^2=λ|u|_{L^2},$$ which implies that $λ>0$. You should correct the symbols, the Laplace operator is
Delta
, $Delta$, while nabla
, $nabla$, is used for the gradient.– LutzL
Dec 2 '18 at 20:06
Why $theta$ must be $2pi$ periodic?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 5 '18 at 0:47
Why $theta$ must be $2pi$ periodic?
– Lucas Zanella
Dec 5 '18 at 0:47
Because $Θ$ is a function on a circle. To be continuous on the full circle, you need $Θ(pi)=Θ(-pi)$ and thus, in extension from $[-pi,pi]$ to $Bbb R$, $Θ(θ+2pi)=Θ(θ)$.
– LutzL
Dec 5 '18 at 9:06
Because $Θ$ is a function on a circle. To be continuous on the full circle, you need $Θ(pi)=Θ(-pi)$ and thus, in extension from $[-pi,pi]$ to $Bbb R$, $Θ(θ+2pi)=Θ(θ)$.
– LutzL
Dec 5 '18 at 9:06
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You still have to evaluate the condition $J_n(frac1{sqrtλ})=0$, which gives discrete values for $λ$ which are the eigenvalues.
– LutzL
Nov 28 '18 at 17:12
You’re change of variables is not to polar coordinates, that is assuming the form of the solution to be seperable AFTER converting to polar coordinates.
– DaveNine
Nov 29 '18 at 1:35
@LutzL why $1$ in $frac{1}{sqrt{lambda}}$? Could you be more specific or write an answer? Thank you so much
– Lucas Zanella
Nov 29 '18 at 14:41
You are right, I was misled by the error in your last formulas. You should have $R(r)=R(fracρ{sqrtλ})=J_n(ρ)=J_n(rsqrtλ)$, so that the boundary condition leads to $J_n(sqrtλ)=0$. One problem is that you use $R$ for two functions of differently scaled variables, and you mix the scales wrongly in the conclusion of your computation.
– LutzL
Nov 29 '18 at 14:49
@LutzL do you know the WHY that I updated in my question?
– Lucas Zanella
Nov 29 '18 at 17:38