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If $K$ is a field and $V=K^n$ a finite dimensional $K$-vector space with basis $A={e_1,dots,e_n}$, then, given a vector $vin V$ we can find a new basis $E$ of $V$ such that $vin E$; this is done as follows:



First we form the set ${v}cup A$ and observe that it has $n+1$ elements, therefore it spans all of $V$. Now we start the following process: We set $E_0={v}$. If $e_1notintext{span}(E_0)$, then we set $E_1={v}cup{e_1}$. Otherwise, $E_1=E_0$. Then, if $e_2notintext{span}(E_1)$, we set $E_2=E_1cup{e_2}$; otherwise, $E_2=E_1$. We go on until we eliminate every element of $A$; the set $E_n$ is our basis $E$; obviously it is linearly independent and note that it is impossible to "rule out" two elements of $A$, since if $e,e'$ were ruled out, that would mean that there are not-all-zero scalars $lambda_i,mu_i$ such that $e=v+sumlambda_ie_i$, $e'=v+summu_ie_i$, then $e=e'+sum(lambda_i-mu_i)e_i$, which is impossible, therefore $E$ has $n$ elements.



My question is, can we do the same for infinite dimensional vector spaces? That is, given a vector $v$ on an infinite dimensional $K$-vector space $V$, can we construct (feels like it is too much to ask)/ can we prove the existence of a basis $E$ such that $vin E$?



P.S: I live in a world where the axiom of choice is true, so $V$ does have a basis.






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    If $K$ is a field and $V=K^n$ a finite dimensional $K$-vector space with basis $A={e_1,dots,e_n}$, then, given a vector $vin V$ we can find a new basis $E$ of $V$ such that $vin E$; this is done as follows:



    First we form the set ${v}cup A$ and observe that it has $n+1$ elements, therefore it spans all of $V$. Now we start the following process: We set $E_0={v}$. If $e_1notintext{span}(E_0)$, then we set $E_1={v}cup{e_1}$. Otherwise, $E_1=E_0$. Then, if $e_2notintext{span}(E_1)$, we set $E_2=E_1cup{e_2}$; otherwise, $E_2=E_1$. We go on until we eliminate every element of $A$; the set $E_n$ is our basis $E$; obviously it is linearly independent and note that it is impossible to "rule out" two elements of $A$, since if $e,e'$ were ruled out, that would mean that there are not-all-zero scalars $lambda_i,mu_i$ such that $e=v+sumlambda_ie_i$, $e'=v+summu_ie_i$, then $e=e'+sum(lambda_i-mu_i)e_i$, which is impossible, therefore $E$ has $n$ elements.



    My question is, can we do the same for infinite dimensional vector spaces? That is, given a vector $v$ on an infinite dimensional $K$-vector space $V$, can we construct (feels like it is too much to ask)/ can we prove the existence of a basis $E$ such that $vin E$?



    P.S: I live in a world where the axiom of choice is true, so $V$ does have a basis.






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      If $K$ is a field and $V=K^n$ a finite dimensional $K$-vector space with basis $A={e_1,dots,e_n}$, then, given a vector $vin V$ we can find a new basis $E$ of $V$ such that $vin E$; this is done as follows:



      First we form the set ${v}cup A$ and observe that it has $n+1$ elements, therefore it spans all of $V$. Now we start the following process: We set $E_0={v}$. If $e_1notintext{span}(E_0)$, then we set $E_1={v}cup{e_1}$. Otherwise, $E_1=E_0$. Then, if $e_2notintext{span}(E_1)$, we set $E_2=E_1cup{e_2}$; otherwise, $E_2=E_1$. We go on until we eliminate every element of $A$; the set $E_n$ is our basis $E$; obviously it is linearly independent and note that it is impossible to "rule out" two elements of $A$, since if $e,e'$ were ruled out, that would mean that there are not-all-zero scalars $lambda_i,mu_i$ such that $e=v+sumlambda_ie_i$, $e'=v+summu_ie_i$, then $e=e'+sum(lambda_i-mu_i)e_i$, which is impossible, therefore $E$ has $n$ elements.



      My question is, can we do the same for infinite dimensional vector spaces? That is, given a vector $v$ on an infinite dimensional $K$-vector space $V$, can we construct (feels like it is too much to ask)/ can we prove the existence of a basis $E$ such that $vin E$?



      P.S: I live in a world where the axiom of choice is true, so $V$ does have a basis.






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      If $K$ is a field and $V=K^n$ a finite dimensional $K$-vector space with basis $A={e_1,dots,e_n}$, then, given a vector $vin V$ we can find a new basis $E$ of $V$ such that $vin E$; this is done as follows:



      First we form the set ${v}cup A$ and observe that it has $n+1$ elements, therefore it spans all of $V$. Now we start the following process: We set $E_0={v}$. If $e_1notintext{span}(E_0)$, then we set $E_1={v}cup{e_1}$. Otherwise, $E_1=E_0$. Then, if $e_2notintext{span}(E_1)$, we set $E_2=E_1cup{e_2}$; otherwise, $E_2=E_1$. We go on until we eliminate every element of $A$; the set $E_n$ is our basis $E$; obviously it is linearly independent and note that it is impossible to "rule out" two elements of $A$, since if $e,e'$ were ruled out, that would mean that there are not-all-zero scalars $lambda_i,mu_i$ such that $e=v+sumlambda_ie_i$, $e'=v+summu_ie_i$, then $e=e'+sum(lambda_i-mu_i)e_i$, which is impossible, therefore $E$ has $n$ elements.



      My question is, can we do the same for infinite dimensional vector spaces? That is, given a vector $v$ on an infinite dimensional $K$-vector space $V$, can we construct (feels like it is too much to ask)/ can we prove the existence of a basis $E$ such that $vin E$?



      P.S: I live in a world where the axiom of choice is true, so $V$ does have a basis.






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          Yes (as long as $v neq 0$). You prove that a basis exists via Zorn's Lemma, proving that a maximal element (which must exist by Zorn's Lemma) in the collection of linearly independent subsets of $V$ (partially ordered by inclusion) is a basis. This proof shows that any linearly independent set can be extended to a basis -- just take a maximal element that extends the linearly independent set. But the proof necessarily uses the Axiom of Choice so it won't be constructive.






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            Let $A$ be a basis of $V$ (using AC) and $v in V$. Then $v$ is a finite linear combination of elements of $A$. wlog assume that combination is
            $$
            v = a + k_2a_2 + cdots + k_na_n .
            $$



            Then $B = A/{a} cup {v}$ is a basis: it spans, and any finite subset is linearly independent.






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              Yes (as long as $v neq 0$). You prove that a basis exists via Zorn's Lemma, proving that a maximal element (which must exist by Zorn's Lemma) in the collection of linearly independent subsets of $V$ (partially ordered by inclusion) is a basis. This proof shows that any linearly independent set can be extended to a basis -- just take a maximal element that extends the linearly independent set. But the proof necessarily uses the Axiom of Choice so it won't be constructive.






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                Yes (as long as $v neq 0$). You prove that a basis exists via Zorn's Lemma, proving that a maximal element (which must exist by Zorn's Lemma) in the collection of linearly independent subsets of $V$ (partially ordered by inclusion) is a basis. This proof shows that any linearly independent set can be extended to a basis -- just take a maximal element that extends the linearly independent set. But the proof necessarily uses the Axiom of Choice so it won't be constructive.






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                  Yes (as long as $v neq 0$). You prove that a basis exists via Zorn's Lemma, proving that a maximal element (which must exist by Zorn's Lemma) in the collection of linearly independent subsets of $V$ (partially ordered by inclusion) is a basis. This proof shows that any linearly independent set can be extended to a basis -- just take a maximal element that extends the linearly independent set. But the proof necessarily uses the Axiom of Choice so it won't be constructive.






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                  Yes (as long as $v neq 0$). You prove that a basis exists via Zorn's Lemma, proving that a maximal element (which must exist by Zorn's Lemma) in the collection of linearly independent subsets of $V$ (partially ordered by inclusion) is a basis. This proof shows that any linearly independent set can be extended to a basis -- just take a maximal element that extends the linearly independent set. But the proof necessarily uses the Axiom of Choice so it won't be constructive.







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                      Let $A$ be a basis of $V$ (using AC) and $v in V$. Then $v$ is a finite linear combination of elements of $A$. wlog assume that combination is
                      $$
                      v = a + k_2a_2 + cdots + k_na_n .
                      $$



                      Then $B = A/{a} cup {v}$ is a basis: it spans, and any finite subset is linearly independent.






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                        Let $A$ be a basis of $V$ (using AC) and $v in V$. Then $v$ is a finite linear combination of elements of $A$. wlog assume that combination is
                        $$
                        v = a + k_2a_2 + cdots + k_na_n .
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                        Then $B = A/{a} cup {v}$ is a basis: it spans, and any finite subset is linearly independent.






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                          Let $A$ be a basis of $V$ (using AC) and $v in V$. Then $v$ is a finite linear combination of elements of $A$. wlog assume that combination is
                          $$
                          v = a + k_2a_2 + cdots + k_na_n .
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                          Then $B = A/{a} cup {v}$ is a basis: it spans, and any finite subset is linearly independent.






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                          Let $A$ be a basis of $V$ (using AC) and $v in V$. Then $v$ is a finite linear combination of elements of $A$. wlog assume that combination is
                          $$
                          v = a + k_2a_2 + cdots + k_na_n .
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                          Then $B = A/{a} cup {v}$ is a basis: it spans, and any finite subset is linearly independent.







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