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The volume of a cone with height $h$ and radius $r$ is $frac{1}{3} pi r^2 h$, which is exactly one third the volume of the smallest cylinder that it fits inside.



This can be proved easily by considering a cone as a solid of revolution, but I would like to know if it can be proved or at least visual demonstrated without using calculus.












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    +1. I always believed that a rigorous proof required calculus, but I'd love to be shown otherwise.
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    The Egyptians new how to calculated pyramids. Turned out the shape didn't matter just the base area. Democritus put it together en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus#Mathematics
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    another twist on this: The other well-known calculus way to find the volume of the cone is to integrate over the disks that make up the cross sectional areas, as you go from the base at 0 to the top at h. The same argument (though it uses calculus) can show that, if you take an arbitrary region in the plane, and first form a "cylinder" of height h from it by extruding it a distance h, then form a "cone" from it by extruding and then tapering linearly, the volume of the resulting "cone" is 1/3 the volume of the resulting "cylinder" (loosely, making solids pointy nicely gives 1/3 the volume).
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    @Katie: Well it only takes calculus to formally prove it. Imagining a cylinder as an "infinite-a-gon pyramid" is really good for intuitively understanding thas
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    Integrating the disk area by Simpson's rule is exact because Simpson's rule is exact for polynomials up to cubic. And the disk area for a cone or pyramid is only a quadratic. In fact, Simpson's rule works for many shapes, including spheres, cylinders laying on their side, and others. Simpson's rule is H*(B + 4*M + T)/6, with H height, B area of bottom, M area of middle, T area of top. You can forget several formulas if you can remember this one.
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The volume of a cone with height $h$ and radius $r$ is $frac{1}{3} pi r^2 h$, which is exactly one third the volume of the smallest cylinder that it fits inside.



This can be proved easily by considering a cone as a solid of revolution, but I would like to know if it can be proved or at least visual demonstrated without using calculus.












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    +1. I always believed that a rigorous proof required calculus, but I'd love to be shown otherwise.
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    The Egyptians new how to calculated pyramids. Turned out the shape didn't matter just the base area. Democritus put it together en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus#Mathematics
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    another twist on this: The other well-known calculus way to find the volume of the cone is to integrate over the disks that make up the cross sectional areas, as you go from the base at 0 to the top at h. The same argument (though it uses calculus) can show that, if you take an arbitrary region in the plane, and first form a "cylinder" of height h from it by extruding it a distance h, then form a "cone" from it by extruding and then tapering linearly, the volume of the resulting "cone" is 1/3 the volume of the resulting "cylinder" (loosely, making solids pointy nicely gives 1/3 the volume).
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    @Katie: Well it only takes calculus to formally prove it. Imagining a cylinder as an "infinite-a-gon pyramid" is really good for intuitively understanding thas
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    Integrating the disk area by Simpson's rule is exact because Simpson's rule is exact for polynomials up to cubic. And the disk area for a cone or pyramid is only a quadratic. In fact, Simpson's rule works for many shapes, including spheres, cylinders laying on their side, and others. Simpson's rule is H*(B + 4*M + T)/6, with H height, B area of bottom, M area of middle, T area of top. You can forget several formulas if you can remember this one.
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The volume of a cone with height $h$ and radius $r$ is $frac{1}{3} pi r^2 h$, which is exactly one third the volume of the smallest cylinder that it fits inside.



This can be proved easily by considering a cone as a solid of revolution, but I would like to know if it can be proved or at least visual demonstrated without using calculus.












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The volume of a cone with height $h$ and radius $r$ is $frac{1}{3} pi r^2 h$, which is exactly one third the volume of the smallest cylinder that it fits inside.



This can be proved easily by considering a cone as a solid of revolution, but I would like to know if it can be proved or at least visual demonstrated without using calculus.









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    another twist on this: The other well-known calculus way to find the volume of the cone is to integrate over the disks that make up the cross sectional areas, as you go from the base at 0 to the top at h. The same argument (though it uses calculus) can show that, if you take an arbitrary region in the plane, and first form a "cylinder" of height h from it by extruding it a distance h, then form a "cone" from it by extruding and then tapering linearly, the volume of the resulting "cone" is 1/3 the volume of the resulting "cylinder" (loosely, making solids pointy nicely gives 1/3 the volume).
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    @Katie: Well it only takes calculus to formally prove it. Imagining a cylinder as an "infinite-a-gon pyramid" is really good for intuitively understanding thas
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    Integrating the disk area by Simpson's rule is exact because Simpson's rule is exact for polynomials up to cubic. And the disk area for a cone or pyramid is only a quadratic. In fact, Simpson's rule works for many shapes, including spheres, cylinders laying on their side, and others. Simpson's rule is H*(B + 4*M + T)/6, with H height, B area of bottom, M area of middle, T area of top. You can forget several formulas if you can remember this one.
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    +1. I always believed that a rigorous proof required calculus, but I'd love to be shown otherwise.
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    The Egyptians new how to calculated pyramids. Turned out the shape didn't matter just the base area. Democritus put it together en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democritus#Mathematics
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    another twist on this: The other well-known calculus way to find the volume of the cone is to integrate over the disks that make up the cross sectional areas, as you go from the base at 0 to the top at h. The same argument (though it uses calculus) can show that, if you take an arbitrary region in the plane, and first form a "cylinder" of height h from it by extruding it a distance h, then form a "cone" from it by extruding and then tapering linearly, the volume of the resulting "cone" is 1/3 the volume of the resulting "cylinder" (loosely, making solids pointy nicely gives 1/3 the volume).
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    @Katie: Well it only takes calculus to formally prove it. Imagining a cylinder as an "infinite-a-gon pyramid" is really good for intuitively understanding thas
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    Integrating the disk area by Simpson's rule is exact because Simpson's rule is exact for polynomials up to cubic. And the disk area for a cone or pyramid is only a quadratic. In fact, Simpson's rule works for many shapes, including spheres, cylinders laying on their side, and others. Simpson's rule is H*(B + 4*M + T)/6, with H height, B area of bottom, M area of middle, T area of top. You can forget several formulas if you can remember this one.
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another twist on this: The other well-known calculus way to find the volume of the cone is to integrate over the disks that make up the cross sectional areas, as you go from the base at 0 to the top at h. The same argument (though it uses calculus) can show that, if you take an arbitrary region in the plane, and first form a "cylinder" of height h from it by extruding it a distance h, then form a "cone" from it by extruding and then tapering linearly, the volume of the resulting "cone" is 1/3 the volume of the resulting "cylinder" (loosely, making solids pointy nicely gives 1/3 the volume).
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another twist on this: The other well-known calculus way to find the volume of the cone is to integrate over the disks that make up the cross sectional areas, as you go from the base at 0 to the top at h. The same argument (though it uses calculus) can show that, if you take an arbitrary region in the plane, and first form a "cylinder" of height h from it by extruding it a distance h, then form a "cone" from it by extruding and then tapering linearly, the volume of the resulting "cone" is 1/3 the volume of the resulting "cylinder" (loosely, making solids pointy nicely gives 1/3 the volume).
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Integrating the disk area by Simpson's rule is exact because Simpson's rule is exact for polynomials up to cubic. And the disk area for a cone or pyramid is only a quadratic. In fact, Simpson's rule works for many shapes, including spheres, cylinders laying on their side, and others. Simpson's rule is H*(B + 4*M + T)/6, with H height, B area of bottom, M area of middle, T area of top. You can forget several formulas if you can remember this one.
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Integrating the disk area by Simpson's rule is exact because Simpson's rule is exact for polynomials up to cubic. And the disk area for a cone or pyramid is only a quadratic. In fact, Simpson's rule works for many shapes, including spheres, cylinders laying on their side, and others. Simpson's rule is H*(B + 4*M + T)/6, with H height, B area of bottom, M area of middle, T area of top. You can forget several formulas if you can remember this one.
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A visual demonstration for the case of a pyramid with a square base. As Grigory states, Cavalieri's principle can be used to get the formula for the volume of a cone. We just need the base of the square pyramid to have side length $ rsqrtpi$. Such a pyramid has volume $frac13 cdot h cdot pi cdot r^2. $
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Then the area of the base is clearly the same. The cross-sectional area at distance a from the peak is a simple matter of similar triangles: The radius of the cone's cross section will be $a/h times r$. The side length of the square pyramid's cross section will be $frac ah cdot rsqrtpi.$

Once again, we see that the areas must be equal. So by Cavalieri's principle, the cone and square pyramid must have the same volume:$ frac13cdot h cdot pi cdot r^2$






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    Great animation. I wonder if anyone makes any good (toy) physical models of such...
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    But why are there two?
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    There are two so you can see the animation in 3D. Place a piece of paper between the two cubes so each of your eyes can only see one of the cubes. If you sort of cross your eyes you can bring the two cubes together and make a stereo image. It is actually pretty cool!
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One can cut a cube into 3 pyramids with square bases -- so for such pyramids the volume is indeed 1/3 hS. And then one uses Cavalieri's principle to prove that the volume of any cone is 1/3 hS.






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    I just did a demonstration with my class that took about 2 minutes. Granted it was just inductive reasoning but it satisfied the students for now. I had 2 pairs of students come up to the front of the class. One pair had a cone and a cylinder. One pair had a pyramid and a prism.
    Each pair had solids with a congruent base and height.
    The person with the cone had to see how many times they could fill the cone with water and fit it into the cylinder. Similarly the person with the pyramid had to see how many times they could fill the pyramid with water and fit it into the prism.
    Other than ensuring that the cone and the pyrmaid were not overfilled (taking into consideration that the water has a curved skin at the top) the experiment was simple and the demonstration made it easier for the students to remember the relationship.
    Hope this helps.






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      I remember someone else posting somewhere that their teacher did the same with their class, and that they had never forgotten the formula since. S/he even remembered which students were called up.
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      What do you mean the water has a curved skin at the top?
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      He's referring to the surface tension. When overfill a container with water, it doesn't spill immediately -- instead it clings to the top making a "curved skin" on top.
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    I managed to find the volume of a cone without calculus using an observation that I made.



    First, I put a cone on a Cartesian plane, with the tip at the origin. Thus, an equation to describe the radius(x) would be the radius over the height times x. Then, I substituted this equation into pi r squared to get cross sectional area as function of x.



    I then observed how the volume of the cone could be approximated by using disks, the width of each being the height of the cone divided by the number of disks. So, the volume as a function of x would be the area as a function of x times the height divided by n, or the number of disks. However, instead of using integration to sum the volumes of all the disks, I observed that if I moved along the height in increments equal to the width of each cylinder, that the volumes of the cylinders increased in a sequence of squares, the second disk being 4 times the volume of the first, the third being 9 times, the fourth being 16 times, and so on.



    To me, this showed that the second disk can be broken up into 4 cylinders equal to the volume of the first disk, the third into 9, the fourth into 16, and so on. So, the volume of a cone is equal to the volume of the first disk times the sum of all the cylinders, which we can get using the summation of squares formula. So, I got the volume of the first cylinder by putting the width of one cylinder into the volume as a function of x formula, which got pi r squared times the height over n cubed. I then multiplied this by the summation of square's formula to get:
    pi*r^2*h*(n(n+1)(2n+1))/(6n^3)
    Then, I let "N" go to infinity, which resulted in the volume of a cone being (pi*r^2*h)/3.






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      Here is a derivation of the volume of a cone which does not use calculus, Cavalieri's principle, the method of exhaustion, or any other infinitesimal arguments.



      [Edit There is a flaw in this argument, see below]



      [Edit 2 The flaw has been fixed, by considering the ratio of the volume of a cone to it's circumscribing cylinder under different scalings]



      We can split a cone horizontally into two pieces, so that the upper part forms another cone with a smaller base, and the lower part is no longer a cone but an object called a 'frustum'.



                   
                   
      cone split into frustum and upper cone



      For a cone with base radius $r$ and height $h$, we can use a parameter $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ to define the height of the frustum as $b h$.
      Because the whole cone and the upper cone form similar triangles in the vertical cross section, the upper cone with height $ (1-b) h $ will have a base radius of $ (1 - b) r $.



                                             
      cross-section of cone



      The volume of the frustum will be equal to the volume of the original cone, less the volume of the upper cone. We don't yet know what form the function representing the volume of a cone will take, so for now we will just write $V_{cone} = V_{cone}(r,h)$ to remind us that it will be some function of the height and base radius. So the volume of the frustum is $$V_{frustum} = V_{cone}(r,h) - V_{cone}((1 - b)r,(1 - b)h)$$



      At this point we make the observation that the ratio of the volume of a cone to the volume of it's circumscribing cylinder must be invariant under a scaling on the coordinates (the ratio is homogeneous of degree 0).



      $$frac{V_{cone}(r,h)}{pi r^2 h} = frac{V_{cone}(sr,sh)}{pi (sr)^2 sh}$$



      for all $s>0$. If we write $V_{cone} = hat{Q},F(r,h), r^2 h$ where $F(r,h)$ is some as yet unknown function and $hat{Q}$ is a constant, then



      $$F(r,h) = F(sr,sh)$$



      so $F(r,h)$ is also homogeneous of degree 0.



      Hence



      begin{array}{l@{}l}
      V_{frustum}
      &{}= V_{cone}(r,h) - V_{cone}((1 - b)r,(1 - b)h) \
      &{}= hat{Q} , F(r,h) ,r^2 h - hat{Q} , F((1-b)r, (1-b)h) , (1-b)^2r^2 (1-b)h \
      &{}= hat{Q} , F(r,h) , r^2 h ( 1 - (1-b)^3) \
      &{}= Q , r^2 h (3 b - 3 b ^2 +b^3)
      end{array}



      where $Q = hat{Q} , F(r,h)$



      Now consider the following figure



                                             
      cone with inscribed and circumscribed cylinders of height bh



      It is clear that the volume of the frustum of height $b h$ must be bigger than the inner cylinder of radius $ (1-b) r$ and height $b h$ and it must also be less than the volume of the outer cylinder with radius $ r $ and height $b h$.



      $$pi (1-b)^2r^2 b h lt V_{frustum} lt pi r^2 b h$$



      Substituting the expression for $V_{frustum}$ from above and dividing everything through by $ b pi r^2 h $



      $$ (1-b)^2 lt frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi} lt 1$$



      This must hold for all $0 lt b lt 1$.



      At this point, we could use the familiar argument about limits - in particular, as $b$ gets closer to zero, the lower bound approaches the upper bound of $1$, so $frac{Q 3}{pi} = 1$ or $Q = frac{pi}{3}$.



      However, it is possible to find the value of $Q$ in a different way, that does not involve some limit process.



      First, observe that the value of $Q$ has bounds placed on it by the geometry of the problem $0 lt Q lt pi$ since the cone must have some volume, and that volume must be less than the volume of a cylinder with radius $r$ and height $h$. What we are going to show is that for all values of $Q$ in this range, with just one exception, there is a choice of $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ that causes the above inequality not to hold. In the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, '..when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable [or in our case, expected], must be the truth'.



      We split the problem up into two parts. The upper bound of the inequality does not hold when



      $$frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi} = 1$$



      Solving for $b$



      $$b = frac{3}{2}-sqrt{frac{pi}{Q}-frac{3}{4}}$$



      Now introduce a parameter $alpha$ and write $Q= pi / (1+alpha+alpha^2) $. Then for $0 lt alpha lt 1$ we have $pi/3 lt Qltpi$ and the above equation reduces to $b=1-alpha$, so $0 lt b lt 1$.



      The lower bound of the inequality does not hold when



      $$(1-b)^2 = frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi}$$



      Solving for $b$



      $$b = 1 - frac{ (frac{1}{2} + sqrt{frac{pi}{Q}-frac{3}{4}})}{frac{pi}{Q}-1}$$



      Introduce a parameter $alpha$ as before, but this time write $Q=pi alpha^2 / (1+alpha+alpha^2) $. Then for $0 lt alpha lt 1$ we have $0 lt Q lt pi/3$ and the above equation again reduces to $b=1-alpha$, so $0 lt b lt 1$.



      Therefore we have $0 lt Q lt pi$ by the geometry of the problem, but whenever $0 lt Q lt frac{pi}{3}$ or $frac{pi}{3} lt Q lt pi$ there exists at least one value for $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ for which the inequality does not hold. The only remaining possibility on the interval $0 lt Q lt pi$ is $Q=frac{pi}{3}$ (for all $r,h > 0$), and so
      $$ V_{cone} = frac{pi}{3} r^2 h$$






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        Your fundamental inequality about volume of frustum of a cone assumes that $r, h$ are constant and the volume is a function of $b$. Thus your argument after that inequality does not hold.
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        I understand your first sentence, it is correct. I don't see how your second sentence follows from it?
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        @ParamanandSingh Sorry, I'm new here, didn't realise how the comments work. The $r$ and $h$ are the dimensions of the full cone, and $b$ is the proportion of the height at which the cone is cut. I don't see how your second sentence follows from that?
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        It should clear that the volume of the conical part also depends on $b$ and as $b$ varies from $0$ to $1$ it varies from $0$ to the volume of full cone. Let this function be called $C(b) $ and you have set $C(0)$ as volume of full cone. Then volume of frustum say $F(b) $ is given by $F(b) =C(0)-C(b)$. Now your inequality is $(1-b)^{2}b<F(b)/k<b$ where $k$ is a constant $pi r^{2}h$. From this how can you figure out anything about $C(b)$ or $C(0)$?
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        In fact you assume that the volume of a cone is a constant multiple of product of square of radius and height and on the basis of that assumption and the inequality you try to show that the constant must be $pi/3$. This reasoning is correct. But there is no proof that the volume of cone must be a constant multiple of $r^{2}h$. This fact does not follow from the inequality satisfied by volume of frustum of a cone.
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      You can use Pappus's centroid theorem as in my answer here, but it does not provide much insight.



      If instead of a cylinder and a cone, you consider a cube and a square-based pyramid where the "top" vertex of the pyramid (the one opposite the square base) is shifted to be directly above one vertex of the base, you can fit three such pyramids together to form the complete cube. (I've seen this as physical toy/puzzle with three pyramidal pieces and a cubic container.) This may give some insight into the 1/3 "pointy thing rule" (for pointy things with similar, linearly-related cross-sections) that Katie Banks discussed in her comment.






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        It is because a triangle in a box that has the same height and length is 1/2 if the square because it is in the second dimension so if you move in to the third dimension it will change to 1/3 and so forth.






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          This is not much of an argument. Could you provide some algebraic detail?
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        Let $r$ & $h$ be respectively the radius & the normal height of a cone. Now place it with its geometrical axis coincident with the x-axis then the cone can be generated by rotating a straight line:$color{blue}{y=frac{r}{h}x}$, passing through the origin, about the x-axis. Hence, the volume of the cone $$color{blue}{V_{cone}}=intpi y^2 dx=int_{0}^h pileft(frac{r}{h}xright)^2 dx$$ $$=frac{pi r^2}{h^2}int_{0}^h x^2 dx=frac{pi r^2}{h^2} left[frac{x^3}{3}right]_{0}^h=frac{pi r^2}{h^2} left[frac{h^3}{3}right]$$$$color{blue}{=frac{1}{3}pi r^2h}$$



        Similarly, the cylinder with a radius $r$ & normal height $h$ can be generated by rotating a straight line:$color{blue}{y=r}$, parallel to the x-axis, about the x-axis. Hence, the volume of the cylinder $$color{blue}{V_{cylinder}}=intpi y^2 dx=int_{0}^h pileft(rright)^2 dx$$ $$=pi r^2int_{0}^h dx=pi r^2 left[xright]_{0}^h=pi r^2 left[h-0right]color{blue}{=pi r^2h}$$ Thus. we find that $$color{blue}{text{Volume of cone}=frac{1}{3}(text{Volume of cylinder})}$$






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        Imagine a pyramid inside a cube;
        One of the point of the pyramid is touching the top face of the cube, the point can be anywhere as long as it is on the top face of the cube, and still not change the volume.



        Imagine that the point i just mentioned went to the corner of the cube
        Cut the top half of that pyramid, it would look exactly like the pyramid, except that the volume would be exactly $frac {1}{8}$ of the original.



        Now let's look at the lower half, you would probably notice that you can cut a part of it to get the exact same shape as the top half. Cutting it so you have $2$ of those small pyramids.
        The remaining object will have a volume $frac {1}{4}$ of the cube, the two small pyramids is $frac {1}{8}$ of the original.since you have 2 of them. The two parts combined will be $frac {1}{4}$ of the original pyramid, Which means the remaining bit is 3/4 of the original pyramid,which is 1/4 of the cube the 2 parts are a 1/3 of the remaining part so if we add them together $frac{1+1/3}{4}$=$frac 1{3}$



        This might be a little confusing
        But it works :P






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          You'd have to use calculus to derive this formula in the correct manner. I have created a playlist that you can watch if you'd like to know exactly how this formula can be derived from first principles. The playlist is almost an hour long:



          Finding The Formula For Volumes Of Cones



          In this playlist you will learn what slopes are, how to differentiate, how to find areas underneath curves, how to find volumes using co-ordinate axes and then how to find the volumes of cones formula using calculus.



          If you have any extra questions regarding these videos, I will reply to them below.






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          First You need to understand how to derive the formula to find the volume of apyramid. Once you have this down then it's simple to see why it is $frac13pi r^2 h$ because a cone is no more then a circular pyramid.






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          A visual demonstration for the case of a pyramid with a square base. As Grigory states, Cavalieri's principle can be used to get the formula for the volume of a cone. We just need the base of the square pyramid to have side length $ rsqrtpi$. Such a pyramid has volume $frac13 cdot h cdot pi cdot r^2. $
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          Then the area of the base is clearly the same. The cross-sectional area at distance a from the peak is a simple matter of similar triangles: The radius of the cone's cross section will be $a/h times r$. The side length of the square pyramid's cross section will be $frac ah cdot rsqrtpi.$

          Once again, we see that the areas must be equal. So by Cavalieri's principle, the cone and square pyramid must have the same volume:$ frac13cdot h cdot pi cdot r^2$






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          A visual demonstration for the case of a pyramid with a square base. As Grigory states, Cavalieri's principle can be used to get the formula for the volume of a cone. We just need the base of the square pyramid to have side length $ rsqrtpi$. Such a pyramid has volume $frac13 cdot h cdot pi cdot r^2. $
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          Then the area of the base is clearly the same. The cross-sectional area at distance a from the peak is a simple matter of similar triangles: The radius of the cone's cross section will be $a/h times r$. The side length of the square pyramid's cross section will be $frac ah cdot rsqrtpi.$

          Once again, we see that the areas must be equal. So by Cavalieri's principle, the cone and square pyramid must have the same volume:$ frac13cdot h cdot pi cdot r^2$






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          A visual demonstration for the case of a pyramid with a square base. As Grigory states, Cavalieri's principle can be used to get the formula for the volume of a cone. We just need the base of the square pyramid to have side length $ rsqrtpi$. Such a pyramid has volume $frac13 cdot h cdot pi cdot r^2. $
          alt text

          Then the area of the base is clearly the same. The cross-sectional area at distance a from the peak is a simple matter of similar triangles: The radius of the cone's cross section will be $a/h times r$. The side length of the square pyramid's cross section will be $frac ah cdot rsqrtpi.$

          Once again, we see that the areas must be equal. So by Cavalieri's principle, the cone and square pyramid must have the same volume:$ frac13cdot h cdot pi cdot r^2$






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          A visual demonstration for the case of a pyramid with a square base. As Grigory states, Cavalieri's principle can be used to get the formula for the volume of a cone. We just need the base of the square pyramid to have side length $ rsqrtpi$. Such a pyramid has volume $frac13 cdot h cdot pi cdot r^2. $
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          Then the area of the base is clearly the same. The cross-sectional area at distance a from the peak is a simple matter of similar triangles: The radius of the cone's cross section will be $a/h times r$. The side length of the square pyramid's cross section will be $frac ah cdot rsqrtpi.$

          Once again, we see that the areas must be equal. So by Cavalieri's principle, the cone and square pyramid must have the same volume:$ frac13cdot h cdot pi cdot r^2$







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          There are two so you can see the animation in 3D. Place a piece of paper between the two cubes so each of your eyes can only see one of the cubes. If you sort of cross your eyes you can bring the two cubes together and make a stereo image. It is actually pretty cool!
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          One can cut a cube into 3 pyramids with square bases -- so for such pyramids the volume is indeed 1/3 hS. And then one uses Cavalieri's principle to prove that the volume of any cone is 1/3 hS.






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              One can cut a cube into 3 pyramids with square bases -- so for such pyramids the volume is indeed 1/3 hS. And then one uses Cavalieri's principle to prove that the volume of any cone is 1/3 hS.







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                  I just did a demonstration with my class that took about 2 minutes. Granted it was just inductive reasoning but it satisfied the students for now. I had 2 pairs of students come up to the front of the class. One pair had a cone and a cylinder. One pair had a pyramid and a prism.
                  Each pair had solids with a congruent base and height.
                  The person with the cone had to see how many times they could fill the cone with water and fit it into the cylinder. Similarly the person with the pyramid had to see how many times they could fill the pyramid with water and fit it into the prism.
                  Other than ensuring that the cone and the pyrmaid were not overfilled (taking into consideration that the water has a curved skin at the top) the experiment was simple and the demonstration made it easier for the students to remember the relationship.
                  Hope this helps.






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                    I remember someone else posting somewhere that their teacher did the same with their class, and that they had never forgotten the formula since. S/he even remembered which students were called up.
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                    What do you mean the water has a curved skin at the top?
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                    He's referring to the surface tension. When overfill a container with water, it doesn't spill immediately -- instead it clings to the top making a "curved skin" on top.
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                  I just did a demonstration with my class that took about 2 minutes. Granted it was just inductive reasoning but it satisfied the students for now. I had 2 pairs of students come up to the front of the class. One pair had a cone and a cylinder. One pair had a pyramid and a prism.
                  Each pair had solids with a congruent base and height.
                  The person with the cone had to see how many times they could fill the cone with water and fit it into the cylinder. Similarly the person with the pyramid had to see how many times they could fill the pyramid with water and fit it into the prism.
                  Other than ensuring that the cone and the pyrmaid were not overfilled (taking into consideration that the water has a curved skin at the top) the experiment was simple and the demonstration made it easier for the students to remember the relationship.
                  Hope this helps.






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                    I remember someone else posting somewhere that their teacher did the same with their class, and that they had never forgotten the formula since. S/he even remembered which students were called up.
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                    What do you mean the water has a curved skin at the top?
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                    He's referring to the surface tension. When overfill a container with water, it doesn't spill immediately -- instead it clings to the top making a "curved skin" on top.
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                  I just did a demonstration with my class that took about 2 minutes. Granted it was just inductive reasoning but it satisfied the students for now. I had 2 pairs of students come up to the front of the class. One pair had a cone and a cylinder. One pair had a pyramid and a prism.
                  Each pair had solids with a congruent base and height.
                  The person with the cone had to see how many times they could fill the cone with water and fit it into the cylinder. Similarly the person with the pyramid had to see how many times they could fill the pyramid with water and fit it into the prism.
                  Other than ensuring that the cone and the pyrmaid were not overfilled (taking into consideration that the water has a curved skin at the top) the experiment was simple and the demonstration made it easier for the students to remember the relationship.
                  Hope this helps.






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                  I just did a demonstration with my class that took about 2 minutes. Granted it was just inductive reasoning but it satisfied the students for now. I had 2 pairs of students come up to the front of the class. One pair had a cone and a cylinder. One pair had a pyramid and a prism.
                  Each pair had solids with a congruent base and height.
                  The person with the cone had to see how many times they could fill the cone with water and fit it into the cylinder. Similarly the person with the pyramid had to see how many times they could fill the pyramid with water and fit it into the prism.
                  Other than ensuring that the cone and the pyrmaid were not overfilled (taking into consideration that the water has a curved skin at the top) the experiment was simple and the demonstration made it easier for the students to remember the relationship.
                  Hope this helps.







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                    I remember someone else posting somewhere that their teacher did the same with their class, and that they had never forgotten the formula since. S/he even remembered which students were called up.
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                    – Akiva Weinberger
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                    What do you mean the water has a curved skin at the top?
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                    – Kyle Delaney
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                    He's referring to the surface tension. When overfill a container with water, it doesn't spill immediately -- instead it clings to the top making a "curved skin" on top.
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                    – Cyllindra
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                    Of course this is a neat demonstration, but it isn't a mathematical answer at all.
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                    – Brian Chandler
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                    @BrianChandler Good thing StackExchange allows multiple answers
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                    I remember someone else posting somewhere that their teacher did the same with their class, and that they had never forgotten the formula since. S/he even remembered which students were called up.
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                    – Akiva Weinberger
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                    What do you mean the water has a curved skin at the top?
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                    – Kyle Delaney
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                    $begingroup$
                    He's referring to the surface tension. When overfill a container with water, it doesn't spill immediately -- instead it clings to the top making a "curved skin" on top.
                    $endgroup$
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                    Feb 16 '16 at 18:38










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                    Of course this is a neat demonstration, but it isn't a mathematical answer at all.
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                    – Brian Chandler
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                  I remember someone else posting somewhere that their teacher did the same with their class, and that they had never forgotten the formula since. S/he even remembered which students were called up.
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                  Apr 5 '15 at 19:22






                  $begingroup$
                  I remember someone else posting somewhere that their teacher did the same with their class, and that they had never forgotten the formula since. S/he even remembered which students were called up.
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                  What do you mean the water has a curved skin at the top?
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                  – Kyle Delaney
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                  He's referring to the surface tension. When overfill a container with water, it doesn't spill immediately -- instead it clings to the top making a "curved skin" on top.
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                  Feb 16 '16 at 18:38




                  $begingroup$
                  He's referring to the surface tension. When overfill a container with water, it doesn't spill immediately -- instead it clings to the top making a "curved skin" on top.
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                  – Cyllindra
                  Feb 16 '16 at 18:38












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                  Of course this is a neat demonstration, but it isn't a mathematical answer at all.
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                  Aug 11 '17 at 9:26




                  $begingroup$
                  Of course this is a neat demonstration, but it isn't a mathematical answer at all.
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                  – Brian Chandler
                  Aug 11 '17 at 9:26












                  $begingroup$
                  @BrianChandler Good thing StackExchange allows multiple answers
                  $endgroup$
                  – Miles Rout
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                  I managed to find the volume of a cone without calculus using an observation that I made.



                  First, I put a cone on a Cartesian plane, with the tip at the origin. Thus, an equation to describe the radius(x) would be the radius over the height times x. Then, I substituted this equation into pi r squared to get cross sectional area as function of x.



                  I then observed how the volume of the cone could be approximated by using disks, the width of each being the height of the cone divided by the number of disks. So, the volume as a function of x would be the area as a function of x times the height divided by n, or the number of disks. However, instead of using integration to sum the volumes of all the disks, I observed that if I moved along the height in increments equal to the width of each cylinder, that the volumes of the cylinders increased in a sequence of squares, the second disk being 4 times the volume of the first, the third being 9 times, the fourth being 16 times, and so on.



                  To me, this showed that the second disk can be broken up into 4 cylinders equal to the volume of the first disk, the third into 9, the fourth into 16, and so on. So, the volume of a cone is equal to the volume of the first disk times the sum of all the cylinders, which we can get using the summation of squares formula. So, I got the volume of the first cylinder by putting the width of one cylinder into the volume as a function of x formula, which got pi r squared times the height over n cubed. I then multiplied this by the summation of square's formula to get:
                  pi*r^2*h*(n(n+1)(2n+1))/(6n^3)
                  Then, I let "N" go to infinity, which resulted in the volume of a cone being (pi*r^2*h)/3.






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                    I managed to find the volume of a cone without calculus using an observation that I made.



                    First, I put a cone on a Cartesian plane, with the tip at the origin. Thus, an equation to describe the radius(x) would be the radius over the height times x. Then, I substituted this equation into pi r squared to get cross sectional area as function of x.



                    I then observed how the volume of the cone could be approximated by using disks, the width of each being the height of the cone divided by the number of disks. So, the volume as a function of x would be the area as a function of x times the height divided by n, or the number of disks. However, instead of using integration to sum the volumes of all the disks, I observed that if I moved along the height in increments equal to the width of each cylinder, that the volumes of the cylinders increased in a sequence of squares, the second disk being 4 times the volume of the first, the third being 9 times, the fourth being 16 times, and so on.



                    To me, this showed that the second disk can be broken up into 4 cylinders equal to the volume of the first disk, the third into 9, the fourth into 16, and so on. So, the volume of a cone is equal to the volume of the first disk times the sum of all the cylinders, which we can get using the summation of squares formula. So, I got the volume of the first cylinder by putting the width of one cylinder into the volume as a function of x formula, which got pi r squared times the height over n cubed. I then multiplied this by the summation of square's formula to get:
                    pi*r^2*h*(n(n+1)(2n+1))/(6n^3)
                    Then, I let "N" go to infinity, which resulted in the volume of a cone being (pi*r^2*h)/3.






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                      I managed to find the volume of a cone without calculus using an observation that I made.



                      First, I put a cone on a Cartesian plane, with the tip at the origin. Thus, an equation to describe the radius(x) would be the radius over the height times x. Then, I substituted this equation into pi r squared to get cross sectional area as function of x.



                      I then observed how the volume of the cone could be approximated by using disks, the width of each being the height of the cone divided by the number of disks. So, the volume as a function of x would be the area as a function of x times the height divided by n, or the number of disks. However, instead of using integration to sum the volumes of all the disks, I observed that if I moved along the height in increments equal to the width of each cylinder, that the volumes of the cylinders increased in a sequence of squares, the second disk being 4 times the volume of the first, the third being 9 times, the fourth being 16 times, and so on.



                      To me, this showed that the second disk can be broken up into 4 cylinders equal to the volume of the first disk, the third into 9, the fourth into 16, and so on. So, the volume of a cone is equal to the volume of the first disk times the sum of all the cylinders, which we can get using the summation of squares formula. So, I got the volume of the first cylinder by putting the width of one cylinder into the volume as a function of x formula, which got pi r squared times the height over n cubed. I then multiplied this by the summation of square's formula to get:
                      pi*r^2*h*(n(n+1)(2n+1))/(6n^3)
                      Then, I let "N" go to infinity, which resulted in the volume of a cone being (pi*r^2*h)/3.






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                      I managed to find the volume of a cone without calculus using an observation that I made.



                      First, I put a cone on a Cartesian plane, with the tip at the origin. Thus, an equation to describe the radius(x) would be the radius over the height times x. Then, I substituted this equation into pi r squared to get cross sectional area as function of x.



                      I then observed how the volume of the cone could be approximated by using disks, the width of each being the height of the cone divided by the number of disks. So, the volume as a function of x would be the area as a function of x times the height divided by n, or the number of disks. However, instead of using integration to sum the volumes of all the disks, I observed that if I moved along the height in increments equal to the width of each cylinder, that the volumes of the cylinders increased in a sequence of squares, the second disk being 4 times the volume of the first, the third being 9 times, the fourth being 16 times, and so on.



                      To me, this showed that the second disk can be broken up into 4 cylinders equal to the volume of the first disk, the third into 9, the fourth into 16, and so on. So, the volume of a cone is equal to the volume of the first disk times the sum of all the cylinders, which we can get using the summation of squares formula. So, I got the volume of the first cylinder by putting the width of one cylinder into the volume as a function of x formula, which got pi r squared times the height over n cubed. I then multiplied this by the summation of square's formula to get:
                      pi*r^2*h*(n(n+1)(2n+1))/(6n^3)
                      Then, I let "N" go to infinity, which resulted in the volume of a cone being (pi*r^2*h)/3.







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                          Here is a derivation of the volume of a cone which does not use calculus, Cavalieri's principle, the method of exhaustion, or any other infinitesimal arguments.



                          [Edit There is a flaw in this argument, see below]



                          [Edit 2 The flaw has been fixed, by considering the ratio of the volume of a cone to it's circumscribing cylinder under different scalings]



                          We can split a cone horizontally into two pieces, so that the upper part forms another cone with a smaller base, and the lower part is no longer a cone but an object called a 'frustum'.



                                       
                                       
                          cone split into frustum and upper cone



                          For a cone with base radius $r$ and height $h$, we can use a parameter $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ to define the height of the frustum as $b h$.
                          Because the whole cone and the upper cone form similar triangles in the vertical cross section, the upper cone with height $ (1-b) h $ will have a base radius of $ (1 - b) r $.



                                                                 
                          cross-section of cone



                          The volume of the frustum will be equal to the volume of the original cone, less the volume of the upper cone. We don't yet know what form the function representing the volume of a cone will take, so for now we will just write $V_{cone} = V_{cone}(r,h)$ to remind us that it will be some function of the height and base radius. So the volume of the frustum is $$V_{frustum} = V_{cone}(r,h) - V_{cone}((1 - b)r,(1 - b)h)$$



                          At this point we make the observation that the ratio of the volume of a cone to the volume of it's circumscribing cylinder must be invariant under a scaling on the coordinates (the ratio is homogeneous of degree 0).



                          $$frac{V_{cone}(r,h)}{pi r^2 h} = frac{V_{cone}(sr,sh)}{pi (sr)^2 sh}$$



                          for all $s>0$. If we write $V_{cone} = hat{Q},F(r,h), r^2 h$ where $F(r,h)$ is some as yet unknown function and $hat{Q}$ is a constant, then



                          $$F(r,h) = F(sr,sh)$$



                          so $F(r,h)$ is also homogeneous of degree 0.



                          Hence



                          begin{array}{l@{}l}
                          V_{frustum}
                          &{}= V_{cone}(r,h) - V_{cone}((1 - b)r,(1 - b)h) \
                          &{}= hat{Q} , F(r,h) ,r^2 h - hat{Q} , F((1-b)r, (1-b)h) , (1-b)^2r^2 (1-b)h \
                          &{}= hat{Q} , F(r,h) , r^2 h ( 1 - (1-b)^3) \
                          &{}= Q , r^2 h (3 b - 3 b ^2 +b^3)
                          end{array}



                          where $Q = hat{Q} , F(r,h)$



                          Now consider the following figure



                                                                 
                          cone with inscribed and circumscribed cylinders of height bh



                          It is clear that the volume of the frustum of height $b h$ must be bigger than the inner cylinder of radius $ (1-b) r$ and height $b h$ and it must also be less than the volume of the outer cylinder with radius $ r $ and height $b h$.



                          $$pi (1-b)^2r^2 b h lt V_{frustum} lt pi r^2 b h$$



                          Substituting the expression for $V_{frustum}$ from above and dividing everything through by $ b pi r^2 h $



                          $$ (1-b)^2 lt frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi} lt 1$$



                          This must hold for all $0 lt b lt 1$.



                          At this point, we could use the familiar argument about limits - in particular, as $b$ gets closer to zero, the lower bound approaches the upper bound of $1$, so $frac{Q 3}{pi} = 1$ or $Q = frac{pi}{3}$.



                          However, it is possible to find the value of $Q$ in a different way, that does not involve some limit process.



                          First, observe that the value of $Q$ has bounds placed on it by the geometry of the problem $0 lt Q lt pi$ since the cone must have some volume, and that volume must be less than the volume of a cylinder with radius $r$ and height $h$. What we are going to show is that for all values of $Q$ in this range, with just one exception, there is a choice of $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ that causes the above inequality not to hold. In the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, '..when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable [or in our case, expected], must be the truth'.



                          We split the problem up into two parts. The upper bound of the inequality does not hold when



                          $$frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi} = 1$$



                          Solving for $b$



                          $$b = frac{3}{2}-sqrt{frac{pi}{Q}-frac{3}{4}}$$



                          Now introduce a parameter $alpha$ and write $Q= pi / (1+alpha+alpha^2) $. Then for $0 lt alpha lt 1$ we have $pi/3 lt Qltpi$ and the above equation reduces to $b=1-alpha$, so $0 lt b lt 1$.



                          The lower bound of the inequality does not hold when



                          $$(1-b)^2 = frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi}$$



                          Solving for $b$



                          $$b = 1 - frac{ (frac{1}{2} + sqrt{frac{pi}{Q}-frac{3}{4}})}{frac{pi}{Q}-1}$$



                          Introduce a parameter $alpha$ as before, but this time write $Q=pi alpha^2 / (1+alpha+alpha^2) $. Then for $0 lt alpha lt 1$ we have $0 lt Q lt pi/3$ and the above equation again reduces to $b=1-alpha$, so $0 lt b lt 1$.



                          Therefore we have $0 lt Q lt pi$ by the geometry of the problem, but whenever $0 lt Q lt frac{pi}{3}$ or $frac{pi}{3} lt Q lt pi$ there exists at least one value for $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ for which the inequality does not hold. The only remaining possibility on the interval $0 lt Q lt pi$ is $Q=frac{pi}{3}$ (for all $r,h > 0$), and so
                          $$ V_{cone} = frac{pi}{3} r^2 h$$






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                            Your fundamental inequality about volume of frustum of a cone assumes that $r, h$ are constant and the volume is a function of $b$. Thus your argument after that inequality does not hold.
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                            I understand your first sentence, it is correct. I don't see how your second sentence follows from it?
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                            @ParamanandSingh Sorry, I'm new here, didn't realise how the comments work. The $r$ and $h$ are the dimensions of the full cone, and $b$ is the proportion of the height at which the cone is cut. I don't see how your second sentence follows from that?
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                            It should clear that the volume of the conical part also depends on $b$ and as $b$ varies from $0$ to $1$ it varies from $0$ to the volume of full cone. Let this function be called $C(b) $ and you have set $C(0)$ as volume of full cone. Then volume of frustum say $F(b) $ is given by $F(b) =C(0)-C(b)$. Now your inequality is $(1-b)^{2}b<F(b)/k<b$ where $k$ is a constant $pi r^{2}h$. From this how can you figure out anything about $C(b)$ or $C(0)$?
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                            In fact you assume that the volume of a cone is a constant multiple of product of square of radius and height and on the basis of that assumption and the inequality you try to show that the constant must be $pi/3$. This reasoning is correct. But there is no proof that the volume of cone must be a constant multiple of $r^{2}h$. This fact does not follow from the inequality satisfied by volume of frustum of a cone.
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                          Here is a derivation of the volume of a cone which does not use calculus, Cavalieri's principle, the method of exhaustion, or any other infinitesimal arguments.



                          [Edit There is a flaw in this argument, see below]



                          [Edit 2 The flaw has been fixed, by considering the ratio of the volume of a cone to it's circumscribing cylinder under different scalings]



                          We can split a cone horizontally into two pieces, so that the upper part forms another cone with a smaller base, and the lower part is no longer a cone but an object called a 'frustum'.



                                       
                                       
                          cone split into frustum and upper cone



                          For a cone with base radius $r$ and height $h$, we can use a parameter $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ to define the height of the frustum as $b h$.
                          Because the whole cone and the upper cone form similar triangles in the vertical cross section, the upper cone with height $ (1-b) h $ will have a base radius of $ (1 - b) r $.



                                                                 
                          cross-section of cone



                          The volume of the frustum will be equal to the volume of the original cone, less the volume of the upper cone. We don't yet know what form the function representing the volume of a cone will take, so for now we will just write $V_{cone} = V_{cone}(r,h)$ to remind us that it will be some function of the height and base radius. So the volume of the frustum is $$V_{frustum} = V_{cone}(r,h) - V_{cone}((1 - b)r,(1 - b)h)$$



                          At this point we make the observation that the ratio of the volume of a cone to the volume of it's circumscribing cylinder must be invariant under a scaling on the coordinates (the ratio is homogeneous of degree 0).



                          $$frac{V_{cone}(r,h)}{pi r^2 h} = frac{V_{cone}(sr,sh)}{pi (sr)^2 sh}$$



                          for all $s>0$. If we write $V_{cone} = hat{Q},F(r,h), r^2 h$ where $F(r,h)$ is some as yet unknown function and $hat{Q}$ is a constant, then



                          $$F(r,h) = F(sr,sh)$$



                          so $F(r,h)$ is also homogeneous of degree 0.



                          Hence



                          begin{array}{l@{}l}
                          V_{frustum}
                          &{}= V_{cone}(r,h) - V_{cone}((1 - b)r,(1 - b)h) \
                          &{}= hat{Q} , F(r,h) ,r^2 h - hat{Q} , F((1-b)r, (1-b)h) , (1-b)^2r^2 (1-b)h \
                          &{}= hat{Q} , F(r,h) , r^2 h ( 1 - (1-b)^3) \
                          &{}= Q , r^2 h (3 b - 3 b ^2 +b^3)
                          end{array}



                          where $Q = hat{Q} , F(r,h)$



                          Now consider the following figure



                                                                 
                          cone with inscribed and circumscribed cylinders of height bh



                          It is clear that the volume of the frustum of height $b h$ must be bigger than the inner cylinder of radius $ (1-b) r$ and height $b h$ and it must also be less than the volume of the outer cylinder with radius $ r $ and height $b h$.



                          $$pi (1-b)^2r^2 b h lt V_{frustum} lt pi r^2 b h$$



                          Substituting the expression for $V_{frustum}$ from above and dividing everything through by $ b pi r^2 h $



                          $$ (1-b)^2 lt frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi} lt 1$$



                          This must hold for all $0 lt b lt 1$.



                          At this point, we could use the familiar argument about limits - in particular, as $b$ gets closer to zero, the lower bound approaches the upper bound of $1$, so $frac{Q 3}{pi} = 1$ or $Q = frac{pi}{3}$.



                          However, it is possible to find the value of $Q$ in a different way, that does not involve some limit process.



                          First, observe that the value of $Q$ has bounds placed on it by the geometry of the problem $0 lt Q lt pi$ since the cone must have some volume, and that volume must be less than the volume of a cylinder with radius $r$ and height $h$. What we are going to show is that for all values of $Q$ in this range, with just one exception, there is a choice of $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ that causes the above inequality not to hold. In the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, '..when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable [or in our case, expected], must be the truth'.



                          We split the problem up into two parts. The upper bound of the inequality does not hold when



                          $$frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi} = 1$$



                          Solving for $b$



                          $$b = frac{3}{2}-sqrt{frac{pi}{Q}-frac{3}{4}}$$



                          Now introduce a parameter $alpha$ and write $Q= pi / (1+alpha+alpha^2) $. Then for $0 lt alpha lt 1$ we have $pi/3 lt Qltpi$ and the above equation reduces to $b=1-alpha$, so $0 lt b lt 1$.



                          The lower bound of the inequality does not hold when



                          $$(1-b)^2 = frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi}$$



                          Solving for $b$



                          $$b = 1 - frac{ (frac{1}{2} + sqrt{frac{pi}{Q}-frac{3}{4}})}{frac{pi}{Q}-1}$$



                          Introduce a parameter $alpha$ as before, but this time write $Q=pi alpha^2 / (1+alpha+alpha^2) $. Then for $0 lt alpha lt 1$ we have $0 lt Q lt pi/3$ and the above equation again reduces to $b=1-alpha$, so $0 lt b lt 1$.



                          Therefore we have $0 lt Q lt pi$ by the geometry of the problem, but whenever $0 lt Q lt frac{pi}{3}$ or $frac{pi}{3} lt Q lt pi$ there exists at least one value for $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ for which the inequality does not hold. The only remaining possibility on the interval $0 lt Q lt pi$ is $Q=frac{pi}{3}$ (for all $r,h > 0$), and so
                          $$ V_{cone} = frac{pi}{3} r^2 h$$






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                            Your fundamental inequality about volume of frustum of a cone assumes that $r, h$ are constant and the volume is a function of $b$. Thus your argument after that inequality does not hold.
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                            – Paramanand Singh
                            Aug 11 '17 at 8:33










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                            I understand your first sentence, it is correct. I don't see how your second sentence follows from it?
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                            – Will
                            Aug 11 '17 at 9:31










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                            @ParamanandSingh Sorry, I'm new here, didn't realise how the comments work. The $r$ and $h$ are the dimensions of the full cone, and $b$ is the proportion of the height at which the cone is cut. I don't see how your second sentence follows from that?
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                            – Will
                            Aug 11 '17 at 9:39










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                            It should clear that the volume of the conical part also depends on $b$ and as $b$ varies from $0$ to $1$ it varies from $0$ to the volume of full cone. Let this function be called $C(b) $ and you have set $C(0)$ as volume of full cone. Then volume of frustum say $F(b) $ is given by $F(b) =C(0)-C(b)$. Now your inequality is $(1-b)^{2}b<F(b)/k<b$ where $k$ is a constant $pi r^{2}h$. From this how can you figure out anything about $C(b)$ or $C(0)$?
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                            – Paramanand Singh
                            Aug 11 '17 at 17:53












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                            In fact you assume that the volume of a cone is a constant multiple of product of square of radius and height and on the basis of that assumption and the inequality you try to show that the constant must be $pi/3$. This reasoning is correct. But there is no proof that the volume of cone must be a constant multiple of $r^{2}h$. This fact does not follow from the inequality satisfied by volume of frustum of a cone.
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                            – Paramanand Singh
                            Aug 11 '17 at 17:53
















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                          Here is a derivation of the volume of a cone which does not use calculus, Cavalieri's principle, the method of exhaustion, or any other infinitesimal arguments.



                          [Edit There is a flaw in this argument, see below]



                          [Edit 2 The flaw has been fixed, by considering the ratio of the volume of a cone to it's circumscribing cylinder under different scalings]



                          We can split a cone horizontally into two pieces, so that the upper part forms another cone with a smaller base, and the lower part is no longer a cone but an object called a 'frustum'.



                                       
                                       
                          cone split into frustum and upper cone



                          For a cone with base radius $r$ and height $h$, we can use a parameter $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ to define the height of the frustum as $b h$.
                          Because the whole cone and the upper cone form similar triangles in the vertical cross section, the upper cone with height $ (1-b) h $ will have a base radius of $ (1 - b) r $.



                                                                 
                          cross-section of cone



                          The volume of the frustum will be equal to the volume of the original cone, less the volume of the upper cone. We don't yet know what form the function representing the volume of a cone will take, so for now we will just write $V_{cone} = V_{cone}(r,h)$ to remind us that it will be some function of the height and base radius. So the volume of the frustum is $$V_{frustum} = V_{cone}(r,h) - V_{cone}((1 - b)r,(1 - b)h)$$



                          At this point we make the observation that the ratio of the volume of a cone to the volume of it's circumscribing cylinder must be invariant under a scaling on the coordinates (the ratio is homogeneous of degree 0).



                          $$frac{V_{cone}(r,h)}{pi r^2 h} = frac{V_{cone}(sr,sh)}{pi (sr)^2 sh}$$



                          for all $s>0$. If we write $V_{cone} = hat{Q},F(r,h), r^2 h$ where $F(r,h)$ is some as yet unknown function and $hat{Q}$ is a constant, then



                          $$F(r,h) = F(sr,sh)$$



                          so $F(r,h)$ is also homogeneous of degree 0.



                          Hence



                          begin{array}{l@{}l}
                          V_{frustum}
                          &{}= V_{cone}(r,h) - V_{cone}((1 - b)r,(1 - b)h) \
                          &{}= hat{Q} , F(r,h) ,r^2 h - hat{Q} , F((1-b)r, (1-b)h) , (1-b)^2r^2 (1-b)h \
                          &{}= hat{Q} , F(r,h) , r^2 h ( 1 - (1-b)^3) \
                          &{}= Q , r^2 h (3 b - 3 b ^2 +b^3)
                          end{array}



                          where $Q = hat{Q} , F(r,h)$



                          Now consider the following figure



                                                                 
                          cone with inscribed and circumscribed cylinders of height bh



                          It is clear that the volume of the frustum of height $b h$ must be bigger than the inner cylinder of radius $ (1-b) r$ and height $b h$ and it must also be less than the volume of the outer cylinder with radius $ r $ and height $b h$.



                          $$pi (1-b)^2r^2 b h lt V_{frustum} lt pi r^2 b h$$



                          Substituting the expression for $V_{frustum}$ from above and dividing everything through by $ b pi r^2 h $



                          $$ (1-b)^2 lt frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi} lt 1$$



                          This must hold for all $0 lt b lt 1$.



                          At this point, we could use the familiar argument about limits - in particular, as $b$ gets closer to zero, the lower bound approaches the upper bound of $1$, so $frac{Q 3}{pi} = 1$ or $Q = frac{pi}{3}$.



                          However, it is possible to find the value of $Q$ in a different way, that does not involve some limit process.



                          First, observe that the value of $Q$ has bounds placed on it by the geometry of the problem $0 lt Q lt pi$ since the cone must have some volume, and that volume must be less than the volume of a cylinder with radius $r$ and height $h$. What we are going to show is that for all values of $Q$ in this range, with just one exception, there is a choice of $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ that causes the above inequality not to hold. In the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, '..when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable [or in our case, expected], must be the truth'.



                          We split the problem up into two parts. The upper bound of the inequality does not hold when



                          $$frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi} = 1$$



                          Solving for $b$



                          $$b = frac{3}{2}-sqrt{frac{pi}{Q}-frac{3}{4}}$$



                          Now introduce a parameter $alpha$ and write $Q= pi / (1+alpha+alpha^2) $. Then for $0 lt alpha lt 1$ we have $pi/3 lt Qltpi$ and the above equation reduces to $b=1-alpha$, so $0 lt b lt 1$.



                          The lower bound of the inequality does not hold when



                          $$(1-b)^2 = frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi}$$



                          Solving for $b$



                          $$b = 1 - frac{ (frac{1}{2} + sqrt{frac{pi}{Q}-frac{3}{4}})}{frac{pi}{Q}-1}$$



                          Introduce a parameter $alpha$ as before, but this time write $Q=pi alpha^2 / (1+alpha+alpha^2) $. Then for $0 lt alpha lt 1$ we have $0 lt Q lt pi/3$ and the above equation again reduces to $b=1-alpha$, so $0 lt b lt 1$.



                          Therefore we have $0 lt Q lt pi$ by the geometry of the problem, but whenever $0 lt Q lt frac{pi}{3}$ or $frac{pi}{3} lt Q lt pi$ there exists at least one value for $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ for which the inequality does not hold. The only remaining possibility on the interval $0 lt Q lt pi$ is $Q=frac{pi}{3}$ (for all $r,h > 0$), and so
                          $$ V_{cone} = frac{pi}{3} r^2 h$$






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                          Here is a derivation of the volume of a cone which does not use calculus, Cavalieri's principle, the method of exhaustion, or any other infinitesimal arguments.



                          [Edit There is a flaw in this argument, see below]



                          [Edit 2 The flaw has been fixed, by considering the ratio of the volume of a cone to it's circumscribing cylinder under different scalings]



                          We can split a cone horizontally into two pieces, so that the upper part forms another cone with a smaller base, and the lower part is no longer a cone but an object called a 'frustum'.



                                       
                                       
                          cone split into frustum and upper cone



                          For a cone with base radius $r$ and height $h$, we can use a parameter $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ to define the height of the frustum as $b h$.
                          Because the whole cone and the upper cone form similar triangles in the vertical cross section, the upper cone with height $ (1-b) h $ will have a base radius of $ (1 - b) r $.



                                                                 
                          cross-section of cone



                          The volume of the frustum will be equal to the volume of the original cone, less the volume of the upper cone. We don't yet know what form the function representing the volume of a cone will take, so for now we will just write $V_{cone} = V_{cone}(r,h)$ to remind us that it will be some function of the height and base radius. So the volume of the frustum is $$V_{frustum} = V_{cone}(r,h) - V_{cone}((1 - b)r,(1 - b)h)$$



                          At this point we make the observation that the ratio of the volume of a cone to the volume of it's circumscribing cylinder must be invariant under a scaling on the coordinates (the ratio is homogeneous of degree 0).



                          $$frac{V_{cone}(r,h)}{pi r^2 h} = frac{V_{cone}(sr,sh)}{pi (sr)^2 sh}$$



                          for all $s>0$. If we write $V_{cone} = hat{Q},F(r,h), r^2 h$ where $F(r,h)$ is some as yet unknown function and $hat{Q}$ is a constant, then



                          $$F(r,h) = F(sr,sh)$$



                          so $F(r,h)$ is also homogeneous of degree 0.



                          Hence



                          begin{array}{l@{}l}
                          V_{frustum}
                          &{}= V_{cone}(r,h) - V_{cone}((1 - b)r,(1 - b)h) \
                          &{}= hat{Q} , F(r,h) ,r^2 h - hat{Q} , F((1-b)r, (1-b)h) , (1-b)^2r^2 (1-b)h \
                          &{}= hat{Q} , F(r,h) , r^2 h ( 1 - (1-b)^3) \
                          &{}= Q , r^2 h (3 b - 3 b ^2 +b^3)
                          end{array}



                          where $Q = hat{Q} , F(r,h)$



                          Now consider the following figure



                                                                 
                          cone with inscribed and circumscribed cylinders of height bh



                          It is clear that the volume of the frustum of height $b h$ must be bigger than the inner cylinder of radius $ (1-b) r$ and height $b h$ and it must also be less than the volume of the outer cylinder with radius $ r $ and height $b h$.



                          $$pi (1-b)^2r^2 b h lt V_{frustum} lt pi r^2 b h$$



                          Substituting the expression for $V_{frustum}$ from above and dividing everything through by $ b pi r^2 h $



                          $$ (1-b)^2 lt frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi} lt 1$$



                          This must hold for all $0 lt b lt 1$.



                          At this point, we could use the familiar argument about limits - in particular, as $b$ gets closer to zero, the lower bound approaches the upper bound of $1$, so $frac{Q 3}{pi} = 1$ or $Q = frac{pi}{3}$.



                          However, it is possible to find the value of $Q$ in a different way, that does not involve some limit process.



                          First, observe that the value of $Q$ has bounds placed on it by the geometry of the problem $0 lt Q lt pi$ since the cone must have some volume, and that volume must be less than the volume of a cylinder with radius $r$ and height $h$. What we are going to show is that for all values of $Q$ in this range, with just one exception, there is a choice of $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ that causes the above inequality not to hold. In the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, '..when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable [or in our case, expected], must be the truth'.



                          We split the problem up into two parts. The upper bound of the inequality does not hold when



                          $$frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi} = 1$$



                          Solving for $b$



                          $$b = frac{3}{2}-sqrt{frac{pi}{Q}-frac{3}{4}}$$



                          Now introduce a parameter $alpha$ and write $Q= pi / (1+alpha+alpha^2) $. Then for $0 lt alpha lt 1$ we have $pi/3 lt Qltpi$ and the above equation reduces to $b=1-alpha$, so $0 lt b lt 1$.



                          The lower bound of the inequality does not hold when



                          $$(1-b)^2 = frac{Q (3 - 3b + b^2)}{pi}$$



                          Solving for $b$



                          $$b = 1 - frac{ (frac{1}{2} + sqrt{frac{pi}{Q}-frac{3}{4}})}{frac{pi}{Q}-1}$$



                          Introduce a parameter $alpha$ as before, but this time write $Q=pi alpha^2 / (1+alpha+alpha^2) $. Then for $0 lt alpha lt 1$ we have $0 lt Q lt pi/3$ and the above equation again reduces to $b=1-alpha$, so $0 lt b lt 1$.



                          Therefore we have $0 lt Q lt pi$ by the geometry of the problem, but whenever $0 lt Q lt frac{pi}{3}$ or $frac{pi}{3} lt Q lt pi$ there exists at least one value for $b$ with $0 lt b lt 1$ for which the inequality does not hold. The only remaining possibility on the interval $0 lt Q lt pi$ is $Q=frac{pi}{3}$ (for all $r,h > 0$), and so
                          $$ V_{cone} = frac{pi}{3} r^2 h$$







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                            Your fundamental inequality about volume of frustum of a cone assumes that $r, h$ are constant and the volume is a function of $b$. Thus your argument after that inequality does not hold.
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                            – Paramanand Singh
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                            I understand your first sentence, it is correct. I don't see how your second sentence follows from it?
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                            @ParamanandSingh Sorry, I'm new here, didn't realise how the comments work. The $r$ and $h$ are the dimensions of the full cone, and $b$ is the proportion of the height at which the cone is cut. I don't see how your second sentence follows from that?
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                            It should clear that the volume of the conical part also depends on $b$ and as $b$ varies from $0$ to $1$ it varies from $0$ to the volume of full cone. Let this function be called $C(b) $ and you have set $C(0)$ as volume of full cone. Then volume of frustum say $F(b) $ is given by $F(b) =C(0)-C(b)$. Now your inequality is $(1-b)^{2}b<F(b)/k<b$ where $k$ is a constant $pi r^{2}h$. From this how can you figure out anything about $C(b)$ or $C(0)$?
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                            In fact you assume that the volume of a cone is a constant multiple of product of square of radius and height and on the basis of that assumption and the inequality you try to show that the constant must be $pi/3$. This reasoning is correct. But there is no proof that the volume of cone must be a constant multiple of $r^{2}h$. This fact does not follow from the inequality satisfied by volume of frustum of a cone.
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                            – Paramanand Singh
                            Aug 11 '17 at 17:53




















                          • $begingroup$
                            Your fundamental inequality about volume of frustum of a cone assumes that $r, h$ are constant and the volume is a function of $b$. Thus your argument after that inequality does not hold.
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                            – Paramanand Singh
                            Aug 11 '17 at 8:33










                          • $begingroup$
                            I understand your first sentence, it is correct. I don't see how your second sentence follows from it?
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                            – Will
                            Aug 11 '17 at 9:31










                          • $begingroup$
                            @ParamanandSingh Sorry, I'm new here, didn't realise how the comments work. The $r$ and $h$ are the dimensions of the full cone, and $b$ is the proportion of the height at which the cone is cut. I don't see how your second sentence follows from that?
                            $endgroup$
                            – Will
                            Aug 11 '17 at 9:39










                          • $begingroup$
                            It should clear that the volume of the conical part also depends on $b$ and as $b$ varies from $0$ to $1$ it varies from $0$ to the volume of full cone. Let this function be called $C(b) $ and you have set $C(0)$ as volume of full cone. Then volume of frustum say $F(b) $ is given by $F(b) =C(0)-C(b)$. Now your inequality is $(1-b)^{2}b<F(b)/k<b$ where $k$ is a constant $pi r^{2}h$. From this how can you figure out anything about $C(b)$ or $C(0)$?
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                            – Paramanand Singh
                            Aug 11 '17 at 17:53












                          • $begingroup$
                            In fact you assume that the volume of a cone is a constant multiple of product of square of radius and height and on the basis of that assumption and the inequality you try to show that the constant must be $pi/3$. This reasoning is correct. But there is no proof that the volume of cone must be a constant multiple of $r^{2}h$. This fact does not follow from the inequality satisfied by volume of frustum of a cone.
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                            – Paramanand Singh
                            Aug 11 '17 at 17:53


















                          $begingroup$
                          Your fundamental inequality about volume of frustum of a cone assumes that $r, h$ are constant and the volume is a function of $b$. Thus your argument after that inequality does not hold.
                          $endgroup$
                          – Paramanand Singh
                          Aug 11 '17 at 8:33




                          $begingroup$
                          Your fundamental inequality about volume of frustum of a cone assumes that $r, h$ are constant and the volume is a function of $b$. Thus your argument after that inequality does not hold.
                          $endgroup$
                          – Paramanand Singh
                          Aug 11 '17 at 8:33












                          $begingroup$
                          I understand your first sentence, it is correct. I don't see how your second sentence follows from it?
                          $endgroup$
                          – Will
                          Aug 11 '17 at 9:31




                          $begingroup$
                          I understand your first sentence, it is correct. I don't see how your second sentence follows from it?
                          $endgroup$
                          – Will
                          Aug 11 '17 at 9:31












                          $begingroup$
                          @ParamanandSingh Sorry, I'm new here, didn't realise how the comments work. The $r$ and $h$ are the dimensions of the full cone, and $b$ is the proportion of the height at which the cone is cut. I don't see how your second sentence follows from that?
                          $endgroup$
                          – Will
                          Aug 11 '17 at 9:39




                          $begingroup$
                          @ParamanandSingh Sorry, I'm new here, didn't realise how the comments work. The $r$ and $h$ are the dimensions of the full cone, and $b$ is the proportion of the height at which the cone is cut. I don't see how your second sentence follows from that?
                          $endgroup$
                          – Will
                          Aug 11 '17 at 9:39












                          $begingroup$
                          It should clear that the volume of the conical part also depends on $b$ and as $b$ varies from $0$ to $1$ it varies from $0$ to the volume of full cone. Let this function be called $C(b) $ and you have set $C(0)$ as volume of full cone. Then volume of frustum say $F(b) $ is given by $F(b) =C(0)-C(b)$. Now your inequality is $(1-b)^{2}b<F(b)/k<b$ where $k$ is a constant $pi r^{2}h$. From this how can you figure out anything about $C(b)$ or $C(0)$?
                          $endgroup$
                          – Paramanand Singh
                          Aug 11 '17 at 17:53






                          $begingroup$
                          It should clear that the volume of the conical part also depends on $b$ and as $b$ varies from $0$ to $1$ it varies from $0$ to the volume of full cone. Let this function be called $C(b) $ and you have set $C(0)$ as volume of full cone. Then volume of frustum say $F(b) $ is given by $F(b) =C(0)-C(b)$. Now your inequality is $(1-b)^{2}b<F(b)/k<b$ where $k$ is a constant $pi r^{2}h$. From this how can you figure out anything about $C(b)$ or $C(0)$?
                          $endgroup$
                          – Paramanand Singh
                          Aug 11 '17 at 17:53














                          $begingroup$
                          In fact you assume that the volume of a cone is a constant multiple of product of square of radius and height and on the basis of that assumption and the inequality you try to show that the constant must be $pi/3$. This reasoning is correct. But there is no proof that the volume of cone must be a constant multiple of $r^{2}h$. This fact does not follow from the inequality satisfied by volume of frustum of a cone.
                          $endgroup$
                          – Paramanand Singh
                          Aug 11 '17 at 17:53






                          $begingroup$
                          In fact you assume that the volume of a cone is a constant multiple of product of square of radius and height and on the basis of that assumption and the inequality you try to show that the constant must be $pi/3$. This reasoning is correct. But there is no proof that the volume of cone must be a constant multiple of $r^{2}h$. This fact does not follow from the inequality satisfied by volume of frustum of a cone.
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                          – Paramanand Singh
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                          You can use Pappus's centroid theorem as in my answer here, but it does not provide much insight.



                          If instead of a cylinder and a cone, you consider a cube and a square-based pyramid where the "top" vertex of the pyramid (the one opposite the square base) is shifted to be directly above one vertex of the base, you can fit three such pyramids together to form the complete cube. (I've seen this as physical toy/puzzle with three pyramidal pieces and a cubic container.) This may give some insight into the 1/3 "pointy thing rule" (for pointy things with similar, linearly-related cross-sections) that Katie Banks discussed in her comment.






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                            You can use Pappus's centroid theorem as in my answer here, but it does not provide much insight.



                            If instead of a cylinder and a cone, you consider a cube and a square-based pyramid where the "top" vertex of the pyramid (the one opposite the square base) is shifted to be directly above one vertex of the base, you can fit three such pyramids together to form the complete cube. (I've seen this as physical toy/puzzle with three pyramidal pieces and a cubic container.) This may give some insight into the 1/3 "pointy thing rule" (for pointy things with similar, linearly-related cross-sections) that Katie Banks discussed in her comment.






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                              You can use Pappus's centroid theorem as in my answer here, but it does not provide much insight.



                              If instead of a cylinder and a cone, you consider a cube and a square-based pyramid where the "top" vertex of the pyramid (the one opposite the square base) is shifted to be directly above one vertex of the base, you can fit three such pyramids together to form the complete cube. (I've seen this as physical toy/puzzle with three pyramidal pieces and a cubic container.) This may give some insight into the 1/3 "pointy thing rule" (for pointy things with similar, linearly-related cross-sections) that Katie Banks discussed in her comment.






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                              You can use Pappus's centroid theorem as in my answer here, but it does not provide much insight.



                              If instead of a cylinder and a cone, you consider a cube and a square-based pyramid where the "top" vertex of the pyramid (the one opposite the square base) is shifted to be directly above one vertex of the base, you can fit three such pyramids together to form the complete cube. (I've seen this as physical toy/puzzle with three pyramidal pieces and a cubic container.) This may give some insight into the 1/3 "pointy thing rule" (for pointy things with similar, linearly-related cross-sections) that Katie Banks discussed in her comment.







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                                  It is because a triangle in a box that has the same height and length is 1/2 if the square because it is in the second dimension so if you move in to the third dimension it will change to 1/3 and so forth.






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                                    This is not much of an argument. Could you provide some algebraic detail?
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                                    Yes, it's not clear what the "so forth" means -- what is the fourth dimensional counterpart?
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                                    Its not much of an argument, but it is true. An n dimensional pyramid is made from an n-1 dimensional figure where every point is joined to a single point. A 2D pyramid is a triangle. The proof is not really practical in a comment, but is a simple generalisation of the 3D case for the cone or pyramid, and ultimately the factor of 1/n derives from d(x^n)/dx = nx^(n-1) where x^n is the volume of the enclosing hypercube, just as the factor of 1/3 derives from this in the 3D case.
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                                  It is because a triangle in a box that has the same height and length is 1/2 if the square because it is in the second dimension so if you move in to the third dimension it will change to 1/3 and so forth.






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                                    This is not much of an argument. Could you provide some algebraic detail?
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                                    – Simon Hayward
                                    Nov 28 '12 at 21:53






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                                    $begingroup$
                                    Yes, it's not clear what the "so forth" means -- what is the fourth dimensional counterpart?
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                                    – bryn
                                    Dec 1 '12 at 9:30






                                  • 2




                                    $begingroup$
                                    Its not much of an argument, but it is true. An n dimensional pyramid is made from an n-1 dimensional figure where every point is joined to a single point. A 2D pyramid is a triangle. The proof is not really practical in a comment, but is a simple generalisation of the 3D case for the cone or pyramid, and ultimately the factor of 1/n derives from d(x^n)/dx = nx^(n-1) where x^n is the volume of the enclosing hypercube, just as the factor of 1/3 derives from this in the 3D case.
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                                  It is because a triangle in a box that has the same height and length is 1/2 if the square because it is in the second dimension so if you move in to the third dimension it will change to 1/3 and so forth.






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                                  It is because a triangle in a box that has the same height and length is 1/2 if the square because it is in the second dimension so if you move in to the third dimension it will change to 1/3 and so forth.







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                                    This is not much of an argument. Could you provide some algebraic detail?
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                                  • 1




                                    $begingroup$
                                    Yes, it's not clear what the "so forth" means -- what is the fourth dimensional counterpart?
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – bryn
                                    Dec 1 '12 at 9:30






                                  • 2




                                    $begingroup$
                                    Its not much of an argument, but it is true. An n dimensional pyramid is made from an n-1 dimensional figure where every point is joined to a single point. A 2D pyramid is a triangle. The proof is not really practical in a comment, but is a simple generalisation of the 3D case for the cone or pyramid, and ultimately the factor of 1/n derives from d(x^n)/dx = nx^(n-1) where x^n is the volume of the enclosing hypercube, just as the factor of 1/3 derives from this in the 3D case.
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                                    – Peter Webb
                                    Oct 22 '14 at 11:36














                                  • 2




                                    $begingroup$
                                    This is not much of an argument. Could you provide some algebraic detail?
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – Simon Hayward
                                    Nov 28 '12 at 21:53






                                  • 1




                                    $begingroup$
                                    Yes, it's not clear what the "so forth" means -- what is the fourth dimensional counterpart?
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – bryn
                                    Dec 1 '12 at 9:30






                                  • 2




                                    $begingroup$
                                    Its not much of an argument, but it is true. An n dimensional pyramid is made from an n-1 dimensional figure where every point is joined to a single point. A 2D pyramid is a triangle. The proof is not really practical in a comment, but is a simple generalisation of the 3D case for the cone or pyramid, and ultimately the factor of 1/n derives from d(x^n)/dx = nx^(n-1) where x^n is the volume of the enclosing hypercube, just as the factor of 1/3 derives from this in the 3D case.
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                                    – Peter Webb
                                    Oct 22 '14 at 11:36








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                                  $begingroup$
                                  This is not much of an argument. Could you provide some algebraic detail?
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Simon Hayward
                                  Nov 28 '12 at 21:53




                                  $begingroup$
                                  This is not much of an argument. Could you provide some algebraic detail?
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Simon Hayward
                                  Nov 28 '12 at 21:53




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                                  $begingroup$
                                  Yes, it's not clear what the "so forth" means -- what is the fourth dimensional counterpart?
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – bryn
                                  Dec 1 '12 at 9:30




                                  $begingroup$
                                  Yes, it's not clear what the "so forth" means -- what is the fourth dimensional counterpart?
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – bryn
                                  Dec 1 '12 at 9:30




                                  2




                                  2




                                  $begingroup$
                                  Its not much of an argument, but it is true. An n dimensional pyramid is made from an n-1 dimensional figure where every point is joined to a single point. A 2D pyramid is a triangle. The proof is not really practical in a comment, but is a simple generalisation of the 3D case for the cone or pyramid, and ultimately the factor of 1/n derives from d(x^n)/dx = nx^(n-1) where x^n is the volume of the enclosing hypercube, just as the factor of 1/3 derives from this in the 3D case.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Peter Webb
                                  Oct 22 '14 at 11:36




                                  $begingroup$
                                  Its not much of an argument, but it is true. An n dimensional pyramid is made from an n-1 dimensional figure where every point is joined to a single point. A 2D pyramid is a triangle. The proof is not really practical in a comment, but is a simple generalisation of the 3D case for the cone or pyramid, and ultimately the factor of 1/n derives from d(x^n)/dx = nx^(n-1) where x^n is the volume of the enclosing hypercube, just as the factor of 1/3 derives from this in the 3D case.
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                                  – Peter Webb
                                  Oct 22 '14 at 11:36











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                                  Let $r$ & $h$ be respectively the radius & the normal height of a cone. Now place it with its geometrical axis coincident with the x-axis then the cone can be generated by rotating a straight line:$color{blue}{y=frac{r}{h}x}$, passing through the origin, about the x-axis. Hence, the volume of the cone $$color{blue}{V_{cone}}=intpi y^2 dx=int_{0}^h pileft(frac{r}{h}xright)^2 dx$$ $$=frac{pi r^2}{h^2}int_{0}^h x^2 dx=frac{pi r^2}{h^2} left[frac{x^3}{3}right]_{0}^h=frac{pi r^2}{h^2} left[frac{h^3}{3}right]$$$$color{blue}{=frac{1}{3}pi r^2h}$$



                                  Similarly, the cylinder with a radius $r$ & normal height $h$ can be generated by rotating a straight line:$color{blue}{y=r}$, parallel to the x-axis, about the x-axis. Hence, the volume of the cylinder $$color{blue}{V_{cylinder}}=intpi y^2 dx=int_{0}^h pileft(rright)^2 dx$$ $$=pi r^2int_{0}^h dx=pi r^2 left[xright]_{0}^h=pi r^2 left[h-0right]color{blue}{=pi r^2h}$$ Thus. we find that $$color{blue}{text{Volume of cone}=frac{1}{3}(text{Volume of cylinder})}$$






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                                    The OP was interested in a proof that didn't involve taking the integral of a volume of a surface of revolution.
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                                    yes, you are right
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                                  Let $r$ & $h$ be respectively the radius & the normal height of a cone. Now place it with its geometrical axis coincident with the x-axis then the cone can be generated by rotating a straight line:$color{blue}{y=frac{r}{h}x}$, passing through the origin, about the x-axis. Hence, the volume of the cone $$color{blue}{V_{cone}}=intpi y^2 dx=int_{0}^h pileft(frac{r}{h}xright)^2 dx$$ $$=frac{pi r^2}{h^2}int_{0}^h x^2 dx=frac{pi r^2}{h^2} left[frac{x^3}{3}right]_{0}^h=frac{pi r^2}{h^2} left[frac{h^3}{3}right]$$$$color{blue}{=frac{1}{3}pi r^2h}$$



                                  Similarly, the cylinder with a radius $r$ & normal height $h$ can be generated by rotating a straight line:$color{blue}{y=r}$, parallel to the x-axis, about the x-axis. Hence, the volume of the cylinder $$color{blue}{V_{cylinder}}=intpi y^2 dx=int_{0}^h pileft(rright)^2 dx$$ $$=pi r^2int_{0}^h dx=pi r^2 left[xright]_{0}^h=pi r^2 left[h-0right]color{blue}{=pi r^2h}$$ Thus. we find that $$color{blue}{text{Volume of cone}=frac{1}{3}(text{Volume of cylinder})}$$






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                                    The OP was interested in a proof that didn't involve taking the integral of a volume of a surface of revolution.
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                                    Jun 16 '15 at 11:54






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                                    yes, you are right
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                                  $begingroup$

                                  Let $r$ & $h$ be respectively the radius & the normal height of a cone. Now place it with its geometrical axis coincident with the x-axis then the cone can be generated by rotating a straight line:$color{blue}{y=frac{r}{h}x}$, passing through the origin, about the x-axis. Hence, the volume of the cone $$color{blue}{V_{cone}}=intpi y^2 dx=int_{0}^h pileft(frac{r}{h}xright)^2 dx$$ $$=frac{pi r^2}{h^2}int_{0}^h x^2 dx=frac{pi r^2}{h^2} left[frac{x^3}{3}right]_{0}^h=frac{pi r^2}{h^2} left[frac{h^3}{3}right]$$$$color{blue}{=frac{1}{3}pi r^2h}$$



                                  Similarly, the cylinder with a radius $r$ & normal height $h$ can be generated by rotating a straight line:$color{blue}{y=r}$, parallel to the x-axis, about the x-axis. Hence, the volume of the cylinder $$color{blue}{V_{cylinder}}=intpi y^2 dx=int_{0}^h pileft(rright)^2 dx$$ $$=pi r^2int_{0}^h dx=pi r^2 left[xright]_{0}^h=pi r^2 left[h-0right]color{blue}{=pi r^2h}$$ Thus. we find that $$color{blue}{text{Volume of cone}=frac{1}{3}(text{Volume of cylinder})}$$






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                                  Let $r$ & $h$ be respectively the radius & the normal height of a cone. Now place it with its geometrical axis coincident with the x-axis then the cone can be generated by rotating a straight line:$color{blue}{y=frac{r}{h}x}$, passing through the origin, about the x-axis. Hence, the volume of the cone $$color{blue}{V_{cone}}=intpi y^2 dx=int_{0}^h pileft(frac{r}{h}xright)^2 dx$$ $$=frac{pi r^2}{h^2}int_{0}^h x^2 dx=frac{pi r^2}{h^2} left[frac{x^3}{3}right]_{0}^h=frac{pi r^2}{h^2} left[frac{h^3}{3}right]$$$$color{blue}{=frac{1}{3}pi r^2h}$$



                                  Similarly, the cylinder with a radius $r$ & normal height $h$ can be generated by rotating a straight line:$color{blue}{y=r}$, parallel to the x-axis, about the x-axis. Hence, the volume of the cylinder $$color{blue}{V_{cylinder}}=intpi y^2 dx=int_{0}^h pileft(rright)^2 dx$$ $$=pi r^2int_{0}^h dx=pi r^2 left[xright]_{0}^h=pi r^2 left[h-0right]color{blue}{=pi r^2h}$$ Thus. we find that $$color{blue}{text{Volume of cone}=frac{1}{3}(text{Volume of cylinder})}$$







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                                  answered Jun 16 '15 at 11:45









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                                  • 7




                                    $begingroup$
                                    The OP was interested in a proof that didn't involve taking the integral of a volume of a surface of revolution.
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – man on laptop
                                    Jun 16 '15 at 11:54






                                  • 1




                                    $begingroup$
                                    yes, you are right
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – Harish Chandra Rajpoot
                                    Jun 16 '15 at 12:25














                                  • 7




                                    $begingroup$
                                    The OP was interested in a proof that didn't involve taking the integral of a volume of a surface of revolution.
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – man on laptop
                                    Jun 16 '15 at 11:54






                                  • 1




                                    $begingroup$
                                    yes, you are right
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – Harish Chandra Rajpoot
                                    Jun 16 '15 at 12:25








                                  7




                                  7




                                  $begingroup$
                                  The OP was interested in a proof that didn't involve taking the integral of a volume of a surface of revolution.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – man on laptop
                                  Jun 16 '15 at 11:54




                                  $begingroup$
                                  The OP was interested in a proof that didn't involve taking the integral of a volume of a surface of revolution.
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – man on laptop
                                  Jun 16 '15 at 11:54




                                  1




                                  1




                                  $begingroup$
                                  yes, you are right
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Harish Chandra Rajpoot
                                  Jun 16 '15 at 12:25




                                  $begingroup$
                                  yes, you are right
                                  $endgroup$
                                  – Harish Chandra Rajpoot
                                  Jun 16 '15 at 12:25











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                                  Imagine a pyramid inside a cube;
                                  One of the point of the pyramid is touching the top face of the cube, the point can be anywhere as long as it is on the top face of the cube, and still not change the volume.



                                  Imagine that the point i just mentioned went to the corner of the cube
                                  Cut the top half of that pyramid, it would look exactly like the pyramid, except that the volume would be exactly $frac {1}{8}$ of the original.



                                  Now let's look at the lower half, you would probably notice that you can cut a part of it to get the exact same shape as the top half. Cutting it so you have $2$ of those small pyramids.
                                  The remaining object will have a volume $frac {1}{4}$ of the cube, the two small pyramids is $frac {1}{8}$ of the original.since you have 2 of them. The two parts combined will be $frac {1}{4}$ of the original pyramid, Which means the remaining bit is 3/4 of the original pyramid,which is 1/4 of the cube the 2 parts are a 1/3 of the remaining part so if we add them together $frac{1+1/3}{4}$=$frac 1{3}$



                                  This might be a little confusing
                                  But it works :P






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                                    $begingroup$

                                    Imagine a pyramid inside a cube;
                                    One of the point of the pyramid is touching the top face of the cube, the point can be anywhere as long as it is on the top face of the cube, and still not change the volume.



                                    Imagine that the point i just mentioned went to the corner of the cube
                                    Cut the top half of that pyramid, it would look exactly like the pyramid, except that the volume would be exactly $frac {1}{8}$ of the original.



                                    Now let's look at the lower half, you would probably notice that you can cut a part of it to get the exact same shape as the top half. Cutting it so you have $2$ of those small pyramids.
                                    The remaining object will have a volume $frac {1}{4}$ of the cube, the two small pyramids is $frac {1}{8}$ of the original.since you have 2 of them. The two parts combined will be $frac {1}{4}$ of the original pyramid, Which means the remaining bit is 3/4 of the original pyramid,which is 1/4 of the cube the 2 parts are a 1/3 of the remaining part so if we add them together $frac{1+1/3}{4}$=$frac 1{3}$



                                    This might be a little confusing
                                    But it works :P






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                                      $begingroup$

                                      Imagine a pyramid inside a cube;
                                      One of the point of the pyramid is touching the top face of the cube, the point can be anywhere as long as it is on the top face of the cube, and still not change the volume.



                                      Imagine that the point i just mentioned went to the corner of the cube
                                      Cut the top half of that pyramid, it would look exactly like the pyramid, except that the volume would be exactly $frac {1}{8}$ of the original.



                                      Now let's look at the lower half, you would probably notice that you can cut a part of it to get the exact same shape as the top half. Cutting it so you have $2$ of those small pyramids.
                                      The remaining object will have a volume $frac {1}{4}$ of the cube, the two small pyramids is $frac {1}{8}$ of the original.since you have 2 of them. The two parts combined will be $frac {1}{4}$ of the original pyramid, Which means the remaining bit is 3/4 of the original pyramid,which is 1/4 of the cube the 2 parts are a 1/3 of the remaining part so if we add them together $frac{1+1/3}{4}$=$frac 1{3}$



                                      This might be a little confusing
                                      But it works :P






                                      share|cite|improve this answer











                                      $endgroup$



                                      Imagine a pyramid inside a cube;
                                      One of the point of the pyramid is touching the top face of the cube, the point can be anywhere as long as it is on the top face of the cube, and still not change the volume.



                                      Imagine that the point i just mentioned went to the corner of the cube
                                      Cut the top half of that pyramid, it would look exactly like the pyramid, except that the volume would be exactly $frac {1}{8}$ of the original.



                                      Now let's look at the lower half, you would probably notice that you can cut a part of it to get the exact same shape as the top half. Cutting it so you have $2$ of those small pyramids.
                                      The remaining object will have a volume $frac {1}{4}$ of the cube, the two small pyramids is $frac {1}{8}$ of the original.since you have 2 of them. The two parts combined will be $frac {1}{4}$ of the original pyramid, Which means the remaining bit is 3/4 of the original pyramid,which is 1/4 of the cube the 2 parts are a 1/3 of the remaining part so if we add them together $frac{1+1/3}{4}$=$frac 1{3}$



                                      This might be a little confusing
                                      But it works :P







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                                          You'd have to use calculus to derive this formula in the correct manner. I have created a playlist that you can watch if you'd like to know exactly how this formula can be derived from first principles. The playlist is almost an hour long:



                                          Finding The Formula For Volumes Of Cones



                                          In this playlist you will learn what slopes are, how to differentiate, how to find areas underneath curves, how to find volumes using co-ordinate axes and then how to find the volumes of cones formula using calculus.



                                          If you have any extra questions regarding these videos, I will reply to them below.






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                                            The question is about intuitive ways to see the volume of a cone without calculus.
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                                            – Brian Chandler
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                                          $begingroup$

                                          You'd have to use calculus to derive this formula in the correct manner. I have created a playlist that you can watch if you'd like to know exactly how this formula can be derived from first principles. The playlist is almost an hour long:



                                          Finding The Formula For Volumes Of Cones



                                          In this playlist you will learn what slopes are, how to differentiate, how to find areas underneath curves, how to find volumes using co-ordinate axes and then how to find the volumes of cones formula using calculus.



                                          If you have any extra questions regarding these videos, I will reply to them below.






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                                          • $begingroup$
                                            The question is about intuitive ways to see the volume of a cone without calculus.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – Brian Chandler
                                            Aug 11 '17 at 9:22














                                          0












                                          0








                                          0





                                          $begingroup$

                                          You'd have to use calculus to derive this formula in the correct manner. I have created a playlist that you can watch if you'd like to know exactly how this formula can be derived from first principles. The playlist is almost an hour long:



                                          Finding The Formula For Volumes Of Cones



                                          In this playlist you will learn what slopes are, how to differentiate, how to find areas underneath curves, how to find volumes using co-ordinate axes and then how to find the volumes of cones formula using calculus.



                                          If you have any extra questions regarding these videos, I will reply to them below.






                                          share|cite|improve this answer









                                          $endgroup$



                                          You'd have to use calculus to derive this formula in the correct manner. I have created a playlist that you can watch if you'd like to know exactly how this formula can be derived from first principles. The playlist is almost an hour long:



                                          Finding The Formula For Volumes Of Cones



                                          In this playlist you will learn what slopes are, how to differentiate, how to find areas underneath curves, how to find volumes using co-ordinate axes and then how to find the volumes of cones formula using calculus.



                                          If you have any extra questions regarding these videos, I will reply to them below.







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                                          answered Jul 7 '14 at 16:07









                                          ThiagoThiago

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                                          • $begingroup$
                                            The question is about intuitive ways to see the volume of a cone without calculus.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – Brian Chandler
                                            Aug 11 '17 at 9:22


















                                          • $begingroup$
                                            The question is about intuitive ways to see the volume of a cone without calculus.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – Brian Chandler
                                            Aug 11 '17 at 9:22
















                                          $begingroup$
                                          The question is about intuitive ways to see the volume of a cone without calculus.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – Brian Chandler
                                          Aug 11 '17 at 9:22




                                          $begingroup$
                                          The question is about intuitive ways to see the volume of a cone without calculus.
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                                          – Brian Chandler
                                          Aug 11 '17 at 9:22











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                                          First You need to understand how to derive the formula to find the volume of apyramid. Once you have this down then it's simple to see why it is $frac13pi r^2 h$ because a cone is no more then a circular pyramid.






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                                            How do you find the volume of a pyramid? You haven't really provided an answer, I think.
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                                          • $begingroup$
                                            I downvoted this answer because even if it's fixed up, it still doesn't add anything to Larry Wang's already existing answer.
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                                          $begingroup$

                                          First You need to understand how to derive the formula to find the volume of apyramid. Once you have this down then it's simple to see why it is $frac13pi r^2 h$ because a cone is no more then a circular pyramid.






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                                          • $begingroup$
                                            How do you find the volume of a pyramid? You haven't really provided an answer, I think.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – Brian Chandler
                                            Aug 11 '17 at 9:21










                                          • $begingroup$
                                            I downvoted this answer because even if it's fixed up, it still doesn't add anything to Larry Wang's already existing answer.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – Timothy
                                            Feb 4 at 3:41














                                          -4












                                          -4








                                          -4





                                          $begingroup$

                                          First You need to understand how to derive the formula to find the volume of apyramid. Once you have this down then it's simple to see why it is $frac13pi r^2 h$ because a cone is no more then a circular pyramid.






                                          share|cite|improve this answer











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                                          First You need to understand how to derive the formula to find the volume of apyramid. Once you have this down then it's simple to see why it is $frac13pi r^2 h$ because a cone is no more then a circular pyramid.







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                                          answered Jan 16 '13 at 6:00









                                          gurmeet grewalgurmeet grewal

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                                          • $begingroup$
                                            How do you find the volume of a pyramid? You haven't really provided an answer, I think.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – Brian Chandler
                                            Aug 11 '17 at 9:21










                                          • $begingroup$
                                            I downvoted this answer because even if it's fixed up, it still doesn't add anything to Larry Wang's already existing answer.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – Timothy
                                            Feb 4 at 3:41


















                                          • $begingroup$
                                            How do you find the volume of a pyramid? You haven't really provided an answer, I think.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – Brian Chandler
                                            Aug 11 '17 at 9:21










                                          • $begingroup$
                                            I downvoted this answer because even if it's fixed up, it still doesn't add anything to Larry Wang's already existing answer.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – Timothy
                                            Feb 4 at 3:41
















                                          $begingroup$
                                          How do you find the volume of a pyramid? You haven't really provided an answer, I think.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – Brian Chandler
                                          Aug 11 '17 at 9:21




                                          $begingroup$
                                          How do you find the volume of a pyramid? You haven't really provided an answer, I think.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – Brian Chandler
                                          Aug 11 '17 at 9:21












                                          $begingroup$
                                          I downvoted this answer because even if it's fixed up, it still doesn't add anything to Larry Wang's already existing answer.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – Timothy
                                          Feb 4 at 3:41




                                          $begingroup$
                                          I downvoted this answer because even if it's fixed up, it still doesn't add anything to Larry Wang's already existing answer.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – Timothy
                                          Feb 4 at 3:41


















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