Show that if ${x_n}$ converge and ${y_n}$ diverge then ${ax_n + by_n}$ diverge, for $b ne 0$












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Let ${x_n}$ be a convergent sequence and ${y_n}$ a divergent sequence. Prove that ${ax_n + by_n}$ diverges for $bne 0$.




Intuitively this is obvious to me, however i want a formal proof.



Using the definition of a limit we know that:



$$
lim_{nto infty}ax_n = A stackrel{text{def}}{iff} {forall varepsilon > 0 exists N in mathbb N : forall n ge N implies |ax_n - A| < varepsilon}
$$



On the other hand we know that $y_n$ diverges, thus:
$$
lim_{n to infty}by_n = exists! stackrel{text{def}}{iff} {exists varepsilon >0 N in mathbb N : exists n ge N implies |by_n - B| ge varepsilon}
$$



Choose some $varepsilon$:
$$
begin{cases}
|ax_n - A| < {varepsilon over 2} \
|by_n - B| ge {varepsilon over 2}
end{cases}
$$

or:
$$
begin{cases}
|ax_n - A| < {varepsilon over 2} \
-|by_n - B| le -{varepsilon over 2}
end{cases}
$$



This is where I got stuck. It feels like i have to use some sort of triangular inequality (either direct or reverse) and find a contradiction. How do I proceed from this point?










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    Let ${x_n}$ be a convergent sequence and ${y_n}$ a divergent sequence. Prove that ${ax_n + by_n}$ diverges for $bne 0$.




    Intuitively this is obvious to me, however i want a formal proof.



    Using the definition of a limit we know that:



    $$
    lim_{nto infty}ax_n = A stackrel{text{def}}{iff} {forall varepsilon > 0 exists N in mathbb N : forall n ge N implies |ax_n - A| < varepsilon}
    $$



    On the other hand we know that $y_n$ diverges, thus:
    $$
    lim_{n to infty}by_n = exists! stackrel{text{def}}{iff} {exists varepsilon >0 N in mathbb N : exists n ge N implies |by_n - B| ge varepsilon}
    $$



    Choose some $varepsilon$:
    $$
    begin{cases}
    |ax_n - A| < {varepsilon over 2} \
    |by_n - B| ge {varepsilon over 2}
    end{cases}
    $$

    or:
    $$
    begin{cases}
    |ax_n - A| < {varepsilon over 2} \
    -|by_n - B| le -{varepsilon over 2}
    end{cases}
    $$



    This is where I got stuck. It feels like i have to use some sort of triangular inequality (either direct or reverse) and find a contradiction. How do I proceed from this point?










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      Let ${x_n}$ be a convergent sequence and ${y_n}$ a divergent sequence. Prove that ${ax_n + by_n}$ diverges for $bne 0$.




      Intuitively this is obvious to me, however i want a formal proof.



      Using the definition of a limit we know that:



      $$
      lim_{nto infty}ax_n = A stackrel{text{def}}{iff} {forall varepsilon > 0 exists N in mathbb N : forall n ge N implies |ax_n - A| < varepsilon}
      $$



      On the other hand we know that $y_n$ diverges, thus:
      $$
      lim_{n to infty}by_n = exists! stackrel{text{def}}{iff} {exists varepsilon >0 N in mathbb N : exists n ge N implies |by_n - B| ge varepsilon}
      $$



      Choose some $varepsilon$:
      $$
      begin{cases}
      |ax_n - A| < {varepsilon over 2} \
      |by_n - B| ge {varepsilon over 2}
      end{cases}
      $$

      or:
      $$
      begin{cases}
      |ax_n - A| < {varepsilon over 2} \
      -|by_n - B| le -{varepsilon over 2}
      end{cases}
      $$



      This is where I got stuck. It feels like i have to use some sort of triangular inequality (either direct or reverse) and find a contradiction. How do I proceed from this point?










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      Let ${x_n}$ be a convergent sequence and ${y_n}$ a divergent sequence. Prove that ${ax_n + by_n}$ diverges for $bne 0$.




      Intuitively this is obvious to me, however i want a formal proof.



      Using the definition of a limit we know that:



      $$
      lim_{nto infty}ax_n = A stackrel{text{def}}{iff} {forall varepsilon > 0 exists N in mathbb N : forall n ge N implies |ax_n - A| < varepsilon}
      $$



      On the other hand we know that $y_n$ diverges, thus:
      $$
      lim_{n to infty}by_n = exists! stackrel{text{def}}{iff} {exists varepsilon >0 N in mathbb N : exists n ge N implies |by_n - B| ge varepsilon}
      $$



      Choose some $varepsilon$:
      $$
      begin{cases}
      |ax_n - A| < {varepsilon over 2} \
      |by_n - B| ge {varepsilon over 2}
      end{cases}
      $$

      or:
      $$
      begin{cases}
      |ax_n - A| < {varepsilon over 2} \
      -|by_n - B| le -{varepsilon over 2}
      end{cases}
      $$



      This is where I got stuck. It feels like i have to use some sort of triangular inequality (either direct or reverse) and find a contradiction. How do I proceed from this point?







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          There's more than one way to skin a cat.



          The easiest way to prove your point is by knowing another fact, that is:




          If ${a_n}$ converges and ${b_n}$ converges and $alpha, betainmathbb R$, then ${alpha a_n + beta b_n}$ also converges.




          Using this, you can easily construct a proof by contradiction. That is, you can, assuming that ${x_n}$ converges and ${ax_n + by_n}$ converges, prove that ${y_n}$ must also converge, since $$y_n = frac{1}{b}left(ax_n + by_nright) + left(-frac{a}{b}right)x_n$$





          However, if you insist on going by definitions, then you shouldn't just "choose some $epsilon$." The fact that ${y_n}$ does not converge gives you a place where you can start to build your $epsilon$. In particular, choosing some $B$, you can take the $epsilon_y$ which satisfies the property that $forall Ninmathbb Nexists n>N: |y_n - B|>epsilon$.



          You can then use this to prove that $acdot A + bcdot B$ cannot be a limit, and since every number can be written as $aA+bB$ for some value $B$, this proves the sequence doesn't converge.






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          For the sake of completeness I'm putting here my further steps based on the hints.



          Let:
          $$
          lim_{nto infty}x_n = A\
          lim_{nto infty}y_n = B\
          $$



          We want to show that $lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n)$ exists. Suppose $x_n$ and $y_n$ converge. It is necessary and sufficient $(1)$ to show that:



          $$
          x_n = A + alpha_n\
          y_n = B + beta_n
          $$



          Where $alpha_n$ and $beta_n$ are infinitely small sequences. Then by definition of a limit we have:
          $$
          |x_n - A| < varepsilon iff |alpha_n| < varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}alpha_n = 0 \
          |y_n - B| < varepsilon iff |beta_n| < varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}beta_n = 0
          $$



          Take some $a$ and $b$ and consider the following limit:
          $$
          lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n) = lim_{ntoinfty}left((aA + bB) + (aalpha_n + bbeta_n)right) = aA + bB + lim_{ntoinfty}(aalpha_n + bbeta_n)
          $$



          But any linear combination of infinitely small sequences is an infinitely small sequence. So:



          $$
          lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n) = aA + bB
          $$



          Now consider the case when $y_n$ diverges, that means that:
          $$
          |y_n - B| ge varepsilon iff |beta_n| ge varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}beta_n = exists !
          $$



          So since $y_n$ may not be presented as a sum of some constant and and infinitely small sequence (which violates $(1)$) then $(ax_n + by_n)$ must also diverge.






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            There's more than one way to skin a cat.



            The easiest way to prove your point is by knowing another fact, that is:




            If ${a_n}$ converges and ${b_n}$ converges and $alpha, betainmathbb R$, then ${alpha a_n + beta b_n}$ also converges.




            Using this, you can easily construct a proof by contradiction. That is, you can, assuming that ${x_n}$ converges and ${ax_n + by_n}$ converges, prove that ${y_n}$ must also converge, since $$y_n = frac{1}{b}left(ax_n + by_nright) + left(-frac{a}{b}right)x_n$$





            However, if you insist on going by definitions, then you shouldn't just "choose some $epsilon$." The fact that ${y_n}$ does not converge gives you a place where you can start to build your $epsilon$. In particular, choosing some $B$, you can take the $epsilon_y$ which satisfies the property that $forall Ninmathbb Nexists n>N: |y_n - B|>epsilon$.



            You can then use this to prove that $acdot A + bcdot B$ cannot be a limit, and since every number can be written as $aA+bB$ for some value $B$, this proves the sequence doesn't converge.






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            There's more than one way to skin a cat.



            The easiest way to prove your point is by knowing another fact, that is:




            If ${a_n}$ converges and ${b_n}$ converges and $alpha, betainmathbb R$, then ${alpha a_n + beta b_n}$ also converges.




            Using this, you can easily construct a proof by contradiction. That is, you can, assuming that ${x_n}$ converges and ${ax_n + by_n}$ converges, prove that ${y_n}$ must also converge, since $$y_n = frac{1}{b}left(ax_n + by_nright) + left(-frac{a}{b}right)x_n$$





            However, if you insist on going by definitions, then you shouldn't just "choose some $epsilon$." The fact that ${y_n}$ does not converge gives you a place where you can start to build your $epsilon$. In particular, choosing some $B$, you can take the $epsilon_y$ which satisfies the property that $forall Ninmathbb Nexists n>N: |y_n - B|>epsilon$.



            You can then use this to prove that $acdot A + bcdot B$ cannot be a limit, and since every number can be written as $aA+bB$ for some value $B$, this proves the sequence doesn't converge.






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              @ZacharySelk Presumably because it got out of the bag, and proceeded to get my tounge in a cat-and-mouse game with some other fat cat, and now it's looking at me like the cat that ate the canary.
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            $begingroup$

            There's more than one way to skin a cat.



            The easiest way to prove your point is by knowing another fact, that is:




            If ${a_n}$ converges and ${b_n}$ converges and $alpha, betainmathbb R$, then ${alpha a_n + beta b_n}$ also converges.




            Using this, you can easily construct a proof by contradiction. That is, you can, assuming that ${x_n}$ converges and ${ax_n + by_n}$ converges, prove that ${y_n}$ must also converge, since $$y_n = frac{1}{b}left(ax_n + by_nright) + left(-frac{a}{b}right)x_n$$





            However, if you insist on going by definitions, then you shouldn't just "choose some $epsilon$." The fact that ${y_n}$ does not converge gives you a place where you can start to build your $epsilon$. In particular, choosing some $B$, you can take the $epsilon_y$ which satisfies the property that $forall Ninmathbb Nexists n>N: |y_n - B|>epsilon$.



            You can then use this to prove that $acdot A + bcdot B$ cannot be a limit, and since every number can be written as $aA+bB$ for some value $B$, this proves the sequence doesn't converge.






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            There's more than one way to skin a cat.



            The easiest way to prove your point is by knowing another fact, that is:




            If ${a_n}$ converges and ${b_n}$ converges and $alpha, betainmathbb R$, then ${alpha a_n + beta b_n}$ also converges.




            Using this, you can easily construct a proof by contradiction. That is, you can, assuming that ${x_n}$ converges and ${ax_n + by_n}$ converges, prove that ${y_n}$ must also converge, since $$y_n = frac{1}{b}left(ax_n + by_nright) + left(-frac{a}{b}right)x_n$$





            However, if you insist on going by definitions, then you shouldn't just "choose some $epsilon$." The fact that ${y_n}$ does not converge gives you a place where you can start to build your $epsilon$. In particular, choosing some $B$, you can take the $epsilon_y$ which satisfies the property that $forall Ninmathbb Nexists n>N: |y_n - B|>epsilon$.



            You can then use this to prove that $acdot A + bcdot B$ cannot be a limit, and since every number can be written as $aA+bB$ for some value $B$, this proves the sequence doesn't converge.







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              Thank you very much for your answer, that was very helpful.
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              Why would you want to skin a cat?
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              – Zachary Selk
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            • 1




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              @ZacharySelk Presumably because it got out of the bag, and proceeded to get my tounge in a cat-and-mouse game with some other fat cat, and now it's looking at me like the cat that ate the canary.
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              Thank you very much for your answer, that was very helpful.
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            Why would you want to skin a cat?
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            $begingroup$
            Why would you want to skin a cat?
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            – Zachary Selk
            Dec 3 '18 at 13:53






            1




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            $begingroup$
            @ZacharySelk Presumably because it got out of the bag, and proceeded to get my tounge in a cat-and-mouse game with some other fat cat, and now it's looking at me like the cat that ate the canary.
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            – 5xum
            Dec 3 '18 at 14:02




            $begingroup$
            @ZacharySelk Presumably because it got out of the bag, and proceeded to get my tounge in a cat-and-mouse game with some other fat cat, and now it's looking at me like the cat that ate the canary.
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            Thank you very much for your answer, that was very helpful.
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            – roman
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            $begingroup$
            Thank you very much for your answer, that was very helpful.
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            Dec 3 '18 at 14:55











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            For the sake of completeness I'm putting here my further steps based on the hints.



            Let:
            $$
            lim_{nto infty}x_n = A\
            lim_{nto infty}y_n = B\
            $$



            We want to show that $lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n)$ exists. Suppose $x_n$ and $y_n$ converge. It is necessary and sufficient $(1)$ to show that:



            $$
            x_n = A + alpha_n\
            y_n = B + beta_n
            $$



            Where $alpha_n$ and $beta_n$ are infinitely small sequences. Then by definition of a limit we have:
            $$
            |x_n - A| < varepsilon iff |alpha_n| < varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}alpha_n = 0 \
            |y_n - B| < varepsilon iff |beta_n| < varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}beta_n = 0
            $$



            Take some $a$ and $b$ and consider the following limit:
            $$
            lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n) = lim_{ntoinfty}left((aA + bB) + (aalpha_n + bbeta_n)right) = aA + bB + lim_{ntoinfty}(aalpha_n + bbeta_n)
            $$



            But any linear combination of infinitely small sequences is an infinitely small sequence. So:



            $$
            lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n) = aA + bB
            $$



            Now consider the case when $y_n$ diverges, that means that:
            $$
            |y_n - B| ge varepsilon iff |beta_n| ge varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}beta_n = exists !
            $$



            So since $y_n$ may not be presented as a sum of some constant and and infinitely small sequence (which violates $(1)$) then $(ax_n + by_n)$ must also diverge.






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              $begingroup$

              For the sake of completeness I'm putting here my further steps based on the hints.



              Let:
              $$
              lim_{nto infty}x_n = A\
              lim_{nto infty}y_n = B\
              $$



              We want to show that $lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n)$ exists. Suppose $x_n$ and $y_n$ converge. It is necessary and sufficient $(1)$ to show that:



              $$
              x_n = A + alpha_n\
              y_n = B + beta_n
              $$



              Where $alpha_n$ and $beta_n$ are infinitely small sequences. Then by definition of a limit we have:
              $$
              |x_n - A| < varepsilon iff |alpha_n| < varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}alpha_n = 0 \
              |y_n - B| < varepsilon iff |beta_n| < varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}beta_n = 0
              $$



              Take some $a$ and $b$ and consider the following limit:
              $$
              lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n) = lim_{ntoinfty}left((aA + bB) + (aalpha_n + bbeta_n)right) = aA + bB + lim_{ntoinfty}(aalpha_n + bbeta_n)
              $$



              But any linear combination of infinitely small sequences is an infinitely small sequence. So:



              $$
              lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n) = aA + bB
              $$



              Now consider the case when $y_n$ diverges, that means that:
              $$
              |y_n - B| ge varepsilon iff |beta_n| ge varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}beta_n = exists !
              $$



              So since $y_n$ may not be presented as a sum of some constant and and infinitely small sequence (which violates $(1)$) then $(ax_n + by_n)$ must also diverge.






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                $begingroup$

                For the sake of completeness I'm putting here my further steps based on the hints.



                Let:
                $$
                lim_{nto infty}x_n = A\
                lim_{nto infty}y_n = B\
                $$



                We want to show that $lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n)$ exists. Suppose $x_n$ and $y_n$ converge. It is necessary and sufficient $(1)$ to show that:



                $$
                x_n = A + alpha_n\
                y_n = B + beta_n
                $$



                Where $alpha_n$ and $beta_n$ are infinitely small sequences. Then by definition of a limit we have:
                $$
                |x_n - A| < varepsilon iff |alpha_n| < varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}alpha_n = 0 \
                |y_n - B| < varepsilon iff |beta_n| < varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}beta_n = 0
                $$



                Take some $a$ and $b$ and consider the following limit:
                $$
                lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n) = lim_{ntoinfty}left((aA + bB) + (aalpha_n + bbeta_n)right) = aA + bB + lim_{ntoinfty}(aalpha_n + bbeta_n)
                $$



                But any linear combination of infinitely small sequences is an infinitely small sequence. So:



                $$
                lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n) = aA + bB
                $$



                Now consider the case when $y_n$ diverges, that means that:
                $$
                |y_n - B| ge varepsilon iff |beta_n| ge varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}beta_n = exists !
                $$



                So since $y_n$ may not be presented as a sum of some constant and and infinitely small sequence (which violates $(1)$) then $(ax_n + by_n)$ must also diverge.






                share|cite|improve this answer









                $endgroup$



                For the sake of completeness I'm putting here my further steps based on the hints.



                Let:
                $$
                lim_{nto infty}x_n = A\
                lim_{nto infty}y_n = B\
                $$



                We want to show that $lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n)$ exists. Suppose $x_n$ and $y_n$ converge. It is necessary and sufficient $(1)$ to show that:



                $$
                x_n = A + alpha_n\
                y_n = B + beta_n
                $$



                Where $alpha_n$ and $beta_n$ are infinitely small sequences. Then by definition of a limit we have:
                $$
                |x_n - A| < varepsilon iff |alpha_n| < varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}alpha_n = 0 \
                |y_n - B| < varepsilon iff |beta_n| < varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}beta_n = 0
                $$



                Take some $a$ and $b$ and consider the following limit:
                $$
                lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n) = lim_{ntoinfty}left((aA + bB) + (aalpha_n + bbeta_n)right) = aA + bB + lim_{ntoinfty}(aalpha_n + bbeta_n)
                $$



                But any linear combination of infinitely small sequences is an infinitely small sequence. So:



                $$
                lim_{ntoinfty}(ax_n + by_n) = aA + bB
                $$



                Now consider the case when $y_n$ diverges, that means that:
                $$
                |y_n - B| ge varepsilon iff |beta_n| ge varepsilon iff lim_{ntoinfty}beta_n = exists !
                $$



                So since $y_n$ may not be presented as a sum of some constant and and infinitely small sequence (which violates $(1)$) then $(ax_n + by_n)$ must also diverge.







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