Are there any software tools available to map the solar system hundreds of years from now?
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I am writing a scifi novel based roughly four hundred years from now, and it occurred to me that the planets and other objects might not be quite where I need them to be for certain travel details to make sense.
Primarily, Eris and Pluto have irregular orbits that take a very long time (558 and 248 year respectively), which sometimes puts Eris closer than Pluto. This is a problem if I write that Eris is the last stop before exiting the solar system if Eris is at ~38 AU (perihelion) and Pluto is at ~49 AU (aphelion).
Are there any software tools available to accurately map the solar system hundreds of years from now?
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I am writing a scifi novel based roughly four hundred years from now, and it occurred to me that the planets and other objects might not be quite where I need them to be for certain travel details to make sense.
Primarily, Eris and Pluto have irregular orbits that take a very long time (558 and 248 year respectively), which sometimes puts Eris closer than Pluto. This is a problem if I write that Eris is the last stop before exiting the solar system if Eris is at ~38 AU (perihelion) and Pluto is at ~49 AU (aphelion).
Are there any software tools available to accurately map the solar system hundreds of years from now?
orbital-mechanics time solar-system worldbuilding-resources
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I like to use celestron starry night for skywatching, and it is pretty accurate. Also, it can also go forward a time to, if I remeber correctly, to 3000 AD.
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– Aaron
Dec 12 '18 at 4:12
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Starry Night is pretty reliable.
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– user58275
Dec 12 '18 at 4:18
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You could ask at softwarerecs.stackexchange.com
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– Nicolas Raoul
Dec 12 '18 at 8:27
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Note that Pluto vs Eris being the last stop before you exit the solar system depends on where they are and where you are going. It's like going from Chicago to Paris - NYC might be the "last stop" in the USA, even though Los Angeles is further away, because you're not going in the direction of LA.
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– Skyler
Dec 12 '18 at 17:11
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Worth considering that in four hundred years, it's fairly likely that multiple other Kuiper Belt objects will have been found that are similar in size to Pluto and Eris, if not larger. It's okay to write fiction that includes science that is later proven wrong, you know...
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I am writing a scifi novel based roughly four hundred years from now, and it occurred to me that the planets and other objects might not be quite where I need them to be for certain travel details to make sense.
Primarily, Eris and Pluto have irregular orbits that take a very long time (558 and 248 year respectively), which sometimes puts Eris closer than Pluto. This is a problem if I write that Eris is the last stop before exiting the solar system if Eris is at ~38 AU (perihelion) and Pluto is at ~49 AU (aphelion).
Are there any software tools available to accurately map the solar system hundreds of years from now?
orbital-mechanics time solar-system worldbuilding-resources
edited Dec 12 '18 at 18:33
bilbo_pingouin
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asked Dec 12 '18 at 4:04
TitaniumTurtleTitaniumTurtle
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I am writing a scifi novel based roughly four hundred years from now, and it occurred to me that the planets and other objects might not be quite where I need them to be for certain travel details to make sense.
Primarily, Eris and Pluto have irregular orbits that take a very long time (558 and 248 year respectively), which sometimes puts Eris closer than Pluto. This is a problem if I write that Eris is the last stop before exiting the solar system if Eris is at ~38 AU (perihelion) and Pluto is at ~49 AU (aphelion).
Are there any software tools available to accurately map the solar system hundreds of years from now?
orbital-mechanics time solar-system worldbuilding-resources
orbital-mechanics time solar-system worldbuilding-resources
edited Dec 12 '18 at 18:33
bilbo_pingouin
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asked Dec 12 '18 at 4:04
TitaniumTurtleTitaniumTurtle
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edited Dec 12 '18 at 18:33
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TitaniumTurtleTitaniumTurtle
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bilbo_pingouin
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bilbo_pingouin
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I like to use celestron starry night for skywatching, and it is pretty accurate. Also, it can also go forward a time to, if I remeber correctly, to 3000 AD.
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– Aaron
Dec 12 '18 at 4:12
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Starry Night is pretty reliable.
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– user58275
Dec 12 '18 at 4:18
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You could ask at softwarerecs.stackexchange.com
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– Nicolas Raoul
Dec 12 '18 at 8:27
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Note that Pluto vs Eris being the last stop before you exit the solar system depends on where they are and where you are going. It's like going from Chicago to Paris - NYC might be the "last stop" in the USA, even though Los Angeles is further away, because you're not going in the direction of LA.
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– Skyler
Dec 12 '18 at 17:11
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Worth considering that in four hundred years, it's fairly likely that multiple other Kuiper Belt objects will have been found that are similar in size to Pluto and Eris, if not larger. It's okay to write fiction that includes science that is later proven wrong, you know...
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– Zeiss Ikon
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I like to use celestron starry night for skywatching, and it is pretty accurate. Also, it can also go forward a time to, if I remeber correctly, to 3000 AD.
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– Aaron
Dec 12 '18 at 4:12
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Starry Night is pretty reliable.
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– user58275
Dec 12 '18 at 4:18
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You could ask at softwarerecs.stackexchange.com
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– Nicolas Raoul
Dec 12 '18 at 8:27
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Note that Pluto vs Eris being the last stop before you exit the solar system depends on where they are and where you are going. It's like going from Chicago to Paris - NYC might be the "last stop" in the USA, even though Los Angeles is further away, because you're not going in the direction of LA.
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– Skyler
Dec 12 '18 at 17:11
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Worth considering that in four hundred years, it's fairly likely that multiple other Kuiper Belt objects will have been found that are similar in size to Pluto and Eris, if not larger. It's okay to write fiction that includes science that is later proven wrong, you know...
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– Zeiss Ikon
Dec 12 '18 at 18:44
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I like to use celestron starry night for skywatching, and it is pretty accurate. Also, it can also go forward a time to, if I remeber correctly, to 3000 AD.
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– Aaron
Dec 12 '18 at 4:12
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I like to use celestron starry night for skywatching, and it is pretty accurate. Also, it can also go forward a time to, if I remeber correctly, to 3000 AD.
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– Aaron
Dec 12 '18 at 4:12
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Starry Night is pretty reliable.
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– user58275
Dec 12 '18 at 4:18
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Starry Night is pretty reliable.
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– user58275
Dec 12 '18 at 4:18
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You could ask at softwarerecs.stackexchange.com
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– Nicolas Raoul
Dec 12 '18 at 8:27
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You could ask at softwarerecs.stackexchange.com
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– Nicolas Raoul
Dec 12 '18 at 8:27
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Note that Pluto vs Eris being the last stop before you exit the solar system depends on where they are and where you are going. It's like going from Chicago to Paris - NYC might be the "last stop" in the USA, even though Los Angeles is further away, because you're not going in the direction of LA.
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– Skyler
Dec 12 '18 at 17:11
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Note that Pluto vs Eris being the last stop before you exit the solar system depends on where they are and where you are going. It's like going from Chicago to Paris - NYC might be the "last stop" in the USA, even though Los Angeles is further away, because you're not going in the direction of LA.
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– Skyler
Dec 12 '18 at 17:11
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Worth considering that in four hundred years, it's fairly likely that multiple other Kuiper Belt objects will have been found that are similar in size to Pluto and Eris, if not larger. It's okay to write fiction that includes science that is later proven wrong, you know...
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– Zeiss Ikon
Dec 12 '18 at 18:44
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Worth considering that in four hundred years, it's fairly likely that multiple other Kuiper Belt objects will have been found that are similar in size to Pluto and Eris, if not larger. It's okay to write fiction that includes science that is later proven wrong, you know...
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– Zeiss Ikon
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JPL's HORIZONS system will give you ephemerides, charts of a planet's location in the sky (via right ascension and declination) and position in space via quantities like the true anomaly. You can find ephemerides for all eight planets, as well as about 800,000 asteroids, comets and moons (yes, including Pluto and Eris).
HORIZONS is quite accurate, and allows you to make calculations in a variety of timesteps (and shows you intermediate positions along the way!), ranging from days to years. The shorter the timestep, the better the accuracy, but the longer it takes. Usually, it can calculate ephemerides for up to 500 years in the future.
There are a number of interfaces, with the simplest being the web one. Pick the option that suits you best.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 4:26
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Maybe I missed it, but when I tried HORIZONS it doesn't seem to have Eris as an option. Please let me know if I am wrong and just need to take another look.
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– TitaniumTurtle
Dec 12 '18 at 20:38
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@TitaniumTurtle I've been able to get it as an option, via the "change" button in the "Target Body" field. I just searched for its name. If for some reason you still can't, you could try querying it for "136199 Eris" or "2003 UB313", other names for the body.
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– HDE 226868♦
Dec 12 '18 at 20:44
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Okay, so I was actually able to find it as "136199 Eris" and for the year I am looking at it should be roughly 86 AU out, which fits perfectly. Unfortunately, it won't let me map Pluto passed the year 2100, so I may have to do some math for that one anyway.
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The Universe Sandbox has the ability to simulate planetary physics. I doubt that it is 100% accurate, but as a tool for projecting a future it may fill your need.
Alternately, the math for working out roughly where a planet is in its orbit is not overly complicated. Find when their next perihelion/aphelion will occur, and simply add the time required to complete 1 orbit. Another nice thing about perihelion/aphelion is that the planet takes about half the orbit time to go from one to the other.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 4:19
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https://celestia.space/ is what you need. Wikipedia suggests that NASA and the ESA use it for education. It's open source, and it is available for AmigaOS 4, Linux, macOS, and Microsoft Windows. Plus there's a heap of add-on's if you know where to look.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 16:58
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Alternatively, Stellarium shows a pretty good view!
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The combination of Real Solar System and Principia mods for the commercial game Kerbal Space Program provide planetary motion for the Solar system, giving correct eclipse dates and times for a least a few centuries into the future. The game is inexpensive (under $50), and the mods are free downloads. The lesser bodies (minor moons of Jupiter and Saturn, lesser asteroids) aren't covered, but unless you need to know where Gaspra will be, that isn't likely to matter. Ganymede and Titan will have correct "eclipse nights" well into the future.
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I might recommend Space Engine. Some description first, then my own thoughts.
Wiki description:
SpaceEngine (stylized as "Space Engine") is a proprietary 3D astronomy program[2] and game engine developed by Russian astronomer and programmer Vladimir Romanyuk.[3] It creates a three-dimensional planetarium representing the entire universe from a combination of real astronomical data and scientifically-accurate procedural generation algorithms. Users can travel through space in any direction or speed, and forwards or backwards in time.[4] SpaceEngine is in beta status and is currently freeware for Microsoft Windows.
Here's a brief blurb from the site:
An almost infinite procedural Universe is seamlessly blended with real objects known to modern astronomy. You can find our own planet Earth and the Solar system, famous stars with recently discovered exoplanets, hundreds of galaxies with real shapes. The power of the procedural engine fills known galaxies with procedural stars, creates procedural planets near real stars and generates procedural landscapes for all exoplanets and uncharted objects of our Solar system.
The key points are 1) it's windows software 2) that's free 3) which gives an accurate simulation of known celestial objects and 4) fills in unknown data with procedurally generated objects.
It's not a pure 100% physics simulation. For instance, the sun won't go red giant and consume the earth after a few billion years. Wikipedia also points out "stellar proper motion is not simulated, and galaxies are at fixed locations and do not rotate." (I think I tried to simulate the Andromeda collision, but that won't happen) But the positions of planets should be accurate, especially in the time frame you mention.
Things I like: you can travel around the universe at various speeds. Anything from 1m/s to AU per second. You can travel to a moon and watch the planet-rise. You can control the FOV and camera projection. You can change the timestep (very slow or very fast, anything in between), or jump to a specific date time. And the physics don't get wonky at increased speeds, like they do in Universe Sandbox. There are user addons and some official expansion packs, like high detailed maps of the planets in our solar system.
Things I don't like: The UI is rather deep, it has a steep learning curve. Like a lot. You're going to be in the manual trying to figure out how to do simple tasks. Grab a piece of paper and make a cheat sheet. Also, it's still in beta, there are a few glitches you will encounter sometimes. Off the top of my head, I remember an issue when switching between camera projections a lot, and the space ship movement has some weird collision issues.
Other thoughts: The last version was released a couple years ago. There's a new updated planned "soon" which will be $20 on steam. I only mention the price to say the author has stated the old versions will continue to be free, and these already have quite a lot of capabilities. You can see a lot of user discovered screenshots at https://www.reddit.com/r/spaceengine/
edit: Sorry for the delay, here's a screenshot of Eris in the year 2347 (just fast forwarded a bit to no date in particular).
Here I've turned on markers for comets and asteroids
answered Dec 12 '18 at 14:34
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JPL's HORIZONS system will give you ephemerides, charts of a planet's location in the sky (via right ascension and declination) and position in space via quantities like the true anomaly. You can find ephemerides for all eight planets, as well as about 800,000 asteroids, comets and moons (yes, including Pluto and Eris).
HORIZONS is quite accurate, and allows you to make calculations in a variety of timesteps (and shows you intermediate positions along the way!), ranging from days to years. The shorter the timestep, the better the accuracy, but the longer it takes. Usually, it can calculate ephemerides for up to 500 years in the future.
There are a number of interfaces, with the simplest being the web one. Pick the option that suits you best.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 4:26
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Maybe I missed it, but when I tried HORIZONS it doesn't seem to have Eris as an option. Please let me know if I am wrong and just need to take another look.
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– TitaniumTurtle
Dec 12 '18 at 20:38
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@TitaniumTurtle I've been able to get it as an option, via the "change" button in the "Target Body" field. I just searched for its name. If for some reason you still can't, you could try querying it for "136199 Eris" or "2003 UB313", other names for the body.
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– HDE 226868♦
Dec 12 '18 at 20:44
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Okay, so I was actually able to find it as "136199 Eris" and for the year I am looking at it should be roughly 86 AU out, which fits perfectly. Unfortunately, it won't let me map Pluto passed the year 2100, so I may have to do some math for that one anyway.
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– TitaniumTurtle
Dec 13 '18 at 3:14
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JPL's HORIZONS system will give you ephemerides, charts of a planet's location in the sky (via right ascension and declination) and position in space via quantities like the true anomaly. You can find ephemerides for all eight planets, as well as about 800,000 asteroids, comets and moons (yes, including Pluto and Eris).
HORIZONS is quite accurate, and allows you to make calculations in a variety of timesteps (and shows you intermediate positions along the way!), ranging from days to years. The shorter the timestep, the better the accuracy, but the longer it takes. Usually, it can calculate ephemerides for up to 500 years in the future.
There are a number of interfaces, with the simplest being the web one. Pick the option that suits you best.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 4:26
HDE 226868♦HDE 226868
65.2k14226424
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Maybe I missed it, but when I tried HORIZONS it doesn't seem to have Eris as an option. Please let me know if I am wrong and just need to take another look.
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– TitaniumTurtle
Dec 12 '18 at 20:38
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@TitaniumTurtle I've been able to get it as an option, via the "change" button in the "Target Body" field. I just searched for its name. If for some reason you still can't, you could try querying it for "136199 Eris" or "2003 UB313", other names for the body.
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– HDE 226868♦
Dec 12 '18 at 20:44
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Okay, so I was actually able to find it as "136199 Eris" and for the year I am looking at it should be roughly 86 AU out, which fits perfectly. Unfortunately, it won't let me map Pluto passed the year 2100, so I may have to do some math for that one anyway.
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– TitaniumTurtle
Dec 13 '18 at 3:14
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JPL's HORIZONS system will give you ephemerides, charts of a planet's location in the sky (via right ascension and declination) and position in space via quantities like the true anomaly. You can find ephemerides for all eight planets, as well as about 800,000 asteroids, comets and moons (yes, including Pluto and Eris).
HORIZONS is quite accurate, and allows you to make calculations in a variety of timesteps (and shows you intermediate positions along the way!), ranging from days to years. The shorter the timestep, the better the accuracy, but the longer it takes. Usually, it can calculate ephemerides for up to 500 years in the future.
There are a number of interfaces, with the simplest being the web one. Pick the option that suits you best.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 4:26
HDE 226868♦HDE 226868
65.2k14226424
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JPL's HORIZONS system will give you ephemerides, charts of a planet's location in the sky (via right ascension and declination) and position in space via quantities like the true anomaly. You can find ephemerides for all eight planets, as well as about 800,000 asteroids, comets and moons (yes, including Pluto and Eris).
HORIZONS is quite accurate, and allows you to make calculations in a variety of timesteps (and shows you intermediate positions along the way!), ranging from days to years. The shorter the timestep, the better the accuracy, but the longer it takes. Usually, it can calculate ephemerides for up to 500 years in the future.
There are a number of interfaces, with the simplest being the web one. Pick the option that suits you best.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 4:26
HDE 226868♦HDE 226868
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answered Dec 12 '18 at 4:26
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HDE 226868♦HDE 226868
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Maybe I missed it, but when I tried HORIZONS it doesn't seem to have Eris as an option. Please let me know if I am wrong and just need to take another look.
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– TitaniumTurtle
Dec 12 '18 at 20:38
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@TitaniumTurtle I've been able to get it as an option, via the "change" button in the "Target Body" field. I just searched for its name. If for some reason you still can't, you could try querying it for "136199 Eris" or "2003 UB313", other names for the body.
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– HDE 226868♦
Dec 12 '18 at 20:44
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Okay, so I was actually able to find it as "136199 Eris" and for the year I am looking at it should be roughly 86 AU out, which fits perfectly. Unfortunately, it won't let me map Pluto passed the year 2100, so I may have to do some math for that one anyway.
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– TitaniumTurtle
Dec 13 '18 at 3:14
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Maybe I missed it, but when I tried HORIZONS it doesn't seem to have Eris as an option. Please let me know if I am wrong and just need to take another look.
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– TitaniumTurtle
Dec 12 '18 at 20:38
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@TitaniumTurtle I've been able to get it as an option, via the "change" button in the "Target Body" field. I just searched for its name. If for some reason you still can't, you could try querying it for "136199 Eris" or "2003 UB313", other names for the body.
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– HDE 226868♦
Dec 12 '18 at 20:44
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Okay, so I was actually able to find it as "136199 Eris" and for the year I am looking at it should be roughly 86 AU out, which fits perfectly. Unfortunately, it won't let me map Pluto passed the year 2100, so I may have to do some math for that one anyway.
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– TitaniumTurtle
Dec 13 '18 at 3:14
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Maybe I missed it, but when I tried HORIZONS it doesn't seem to have Eris as an option. Please let me know if I am wrong and just need to take another look.
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– TitaniumTurtle
Dec 12 '18 at 20:38
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Maybe I missed it, but when I tried HORIZONS it doesn't seem to have Eris as an option. Please let me know if I am wrong and just need to take another look.
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– TitaniumTurtle
Dec 12 '18 at 20:38
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@TitaniumTurtle I've been able to get it as an option, via the "change" button in the "Target Body" field. I just searched for its name. If for some reason you still can't, you could try querying it for "136199 Eris" or "2003 UB313", other names for the body.
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– HDE 226868♦
Dec 12 '18 at 20:44
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@TitaniumTurtle I've been able to get it as an option, via the "change" button in the "Target Body" field. I just searched for its name. If for some reason you still can't, you could try querying it for "136199 Eris" or "2003 UB313", other names for the body.
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– HDE 226868♦
Dec 12 '18 at 20:44
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Okay, so I was actually able to find it as "136199 Eris" and for the year I am looking at it should be roughly 86 AU out, which fits perfectly. Unfortunately, it won't let me map Pluto passed the year 2100, so I may have to do some math for that one anyway.
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– TitaniumTurtle
Dec 13 '18 at 3:14
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Okay, so I was actually able to find it as "136199 Eris" and for the year I am looking at it should be roughly 86 AU out, which fits perfectly. Unfortunately, it won't let me map Pluto passed the year 2100, so I may have to do some math for that one anyway.
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The Universe Sandbox has the ability to simulate planetary physics. I doubt that it is 100% accurate, but as a tool for projecting a future it may fill your need.
Alternately, the math for working out roughly where a planet is in its orbit is not overly complicated. Find when their next perihelion/aphelion will occur, and simply add the time required to complete 1 orbit. Another nice thing about perihelion/aphelion is that the planet takes about half the orbit time to go from one to the other.
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The Universe Sandbox has the ability to simulate planetary physics. I doubt that it is 100% accurate, but as a tool for projecting a future it may fill your need.
Alternately, the math for working out roughly where a planet is in its orbit is not overly complicated. Find when their next perihelion/aphelion will occur, and simply add the time required to complete 1 orbit. Another nice thing about perihelion/aphelion is that the planet takes about half the orbit time to go from one to the other.
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The Universe Sandbox has the ability to simulate planetary physics. I doubt that it is 100% accurate, but as a tool for projecting a future it may fill your need.
Alternately, the math for working out roughly where a planet is in its orbit is not overly complicated. Find when their next perihelion/aphelion will occur, and simply add the time required to complete 1 orbit. Another nice thing about perihelion/aphelion is that the planet takes about half the orbit time to go from one to the other.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 4:19
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The Universe Sandbox has the ability to simulate planetary physics. I doubt that it is 100% accurate, but as a tool for projecting a future it may fill your need.
Alternately, the math for working out roughly where a planet is in its orbit is not overly complicated. Find when their next perihelion/aphelion will occur, and simply add the time required to complete 1 orbit. Another nice thing about perihelion/aphelion is that the planet takes about half the orbit time to go from one to the other.
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https://celestia.space/ is what you need. Wikipedia suggests that NASA and the ESA use it for education. It's open source, and it is available for AmigaOS 4, Linux, macOS, and Microsoft Windows. Plus there's a heap of add-on's if you know where to look.
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Alternatively, Stellarium shows a pretty good view!
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– sprintae86
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https://celestia.space/ is what you need. Wikipedia suggests that NASA and the ESA use it for education. It's open source, and it is available for AmigaOS 4, Linux, macOS, and Microsoft Windows. Plus there's a heap of add-on's if you know where to look.
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Alternatively, Stellarium shows a pretty good view!
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– sprintae86
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https://celestia.space/ is what you need. Wikipedia suggests that NASA and the ESA use it for education. It's open source, and it is available for AmigaOS 4, Linux, macOS, and Microsoft Windows. Plus there's a heap of add-on's if you know where to look.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 16:58
sprintae86sprintae86
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https://celestia.space/ is what you need. Wikipedia suggests that NASA and the ESA use it for education. It's open source, and it is available for AmigaOS 4, Linux, macOS, and Microsoft Windows. Plus there's a heap of add-on's if you know where to look.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 16:58
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answered Dec 12 '18 at 16:58
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Alternatively, Stellarium shows a pretty good view!
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Alternatively, Stellarium shows a pretty good view!
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– sprintae86
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Alternatively, Stellarium shows a pretty good view!
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– sprintae86
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Alternatively, Stellarium shows a pretty good view!
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The combination of Real Solar System and Principia mods for the commercial game Kerbal Space Program provide planetary motion for the Solar system, giving correct eclipse dates and times for a least a few centuries into the future. The game is inexpensive (under $50), and the mods are free downloads. The lesser bodies (minor moons of Jupiter and Saturn, lesser asteroids) aren't covered, but unless you need to know where Gaspra will be, that isn't likely to matter. Ganymede and Titan will have correct "eclipse nights" well into the future.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 15:01
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The combination of Real Solar System and Principia mods for the commercial game Kerbal Space Program provide planetary motion for the Solar system, giving correct eclipse dates and times for a least a few centuries into the future. The game is inexpensive (under $50), and the mods are free downloads. The lesser bodies (minor moons of Jupiter and Saturn, lesser asteroids) aren't covered, but unless you need to know where Gaspra will be, that isn't likely to matter. Ganymede and Titan will have correct "eclipse nights" well into the future.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 15:01
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The combination of Real Solar System and Principia mods for the commercial game Kerbal Space Program provide planetary motion for the Solar system, giving correct eclipse dates and times for a least a few centuries into the future. The game is inexpensive (under $50), and the mods are free downloads. The lesser bodies (minor moons of Jupiter and Saturn, lesser asteroids) aren't covered, but unless you need to know where Gaspra will be, that isn't likely to matter. Ganymede and Titan will have correct "eclipse nights" well into the future.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 15:01
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The combination of Real Solar System and Principia mods for the commercial game Kerbal Space Program provide planetary motion for the Solar system, giving correct eclipse dates and times for a least a few centuries into the future. The game is inexpensive (under $50), and the mods are free downloads. The lesser bodies (minor moons of Jupiter and Saturn, lesser asteroids) aren't covered, but unless you need to know where Gaspra will be, that isn't likely to matter. Ganymede and Titan will have correct "eclipse nights" well into the future.
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answered Dec 12 '18 at 15:01
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I might recommend Space Engine. Some description first, then my own thoughts.
Wiki description:
SpaceEngine (stylized as "Space Engine") is a proprietary 3D astronomy program[2] and game engine developed by Russian astronomer and programmer Vladimir Romanyuk.[3] It creates a three-dimensional planetarium representing the entire universe from a combination of real astronomical data and scientifically-accurate procedural generation algorithms. Users can travel through space in any direction or speed, and forwards or backwards in time.[4] SpaceEngine is in beta status and is currently freeware for Microsoft Windows.
Here's a brief blurb from the site:
An almost infinite procedural Universe is seamlessly blended with real objects known to modern astronomy. You can find our own planet Earth and the Solar system, famous stars with recently discovered exoplanets, hundreds of galaxies with real shapes. The power of the procedural engine fills known galaxies with procedural stars, creates procedural planets near real stars and generates procedural landscapes for all exoplanets and uncharted objects of our Solar system.
The key points are 1) it's windows software 2) that's free 3) which gives an accurate simulation of known celestial objects and 4) fills in unknown data with procedurally generated objects.
It's not a pure 100% physics simulation. For instance, the sun won't go red giant and consume the earth after a few billion years. Wikipedia also points out "stellar proper motion is not simulated, and galaxies are at fixed locations and do not rotate." (I think I tried to simulate the Andromeda collision, but that won't happen) But the positions of planets should be accurate, especially in the time frame you mention.
Things I like: you can travel around the universe at various speeds. Anything from 1m/s to AU per second. You can travel to a moon and watch the planet-rise. You can control the FOV and camera projection. You can change the timestep (very slow or very fast, anything in between), or jump to a specific date time. And the physics don't get wonky at increased speeds, like they do in Universe Sandbox. There are user addons and some official expansion packs, like high detailed maps of the planets in our solar system.
Things I don't like: The UI is rather deep, it has a steep learning curve. Like a lot. You're going to be in the manual trying to figure out how to do simple tasks. Grab a piece of paper and make a cheat sheet. Also, it's still in beta, there are a few glitches you will encounter sometimes. Off the top of my head, I remember an issue when switching between camera projections a lot, and the space ship movement has some weird collision issues.
Other thoughts: The last version was released a couple years ago. There's a new updated planned "soon" which will be $20 on steam. I only mention the price to say the author has stated the old versions will continue to be free, and these already have quite a lot of capabilities. You can see a lot of user discovered screenshots at https://www.reddit.com/r/spaceengine/
edit: Sorry for the delay, here's a screenshot of Eris in the year 2347 (just fast forwarded a bit to no date in particular).
Here I've turned on markers for comets and asteroids
answered Dec 12 '18 at 14:34
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I might recommend Space Engine. Some description first, then my own thoughts.
Wiki description:
SpaceEngine (stylized as "Space Engine") is a proprietary 3D astronomy program[2] and game engine developed by Russian astronomer and programmer Vladimir Romanyuk.[3] It creates a three-dimensional planetarium representing the entire universe from a combination of real astronomical data and scientifically-accurate procedural generation algorithms. Users can travel through space in any direction or speed, and forwards or backwards in time.[4] SpaceEngine is in beta status and is currently freeware for Microsoft Windows.
Here's a brief blurb from the site:
An almost infinite procedural Universe is seamlessly blended with real objects known to modern astronomy. You can find our own planet Earth and the Solar system, famous stars with recently discovered exoplanets, hundreds of galaxies with real shapes. The power of the procedural engine fills known galaxies with procedural stars, creates procedural planets near real stars and generates procedural landscapes for all exoplanets and uncharted objects of our Solar system.
The key points are 1) it's windows software 2) that's free 3) which gives an accurate simulation of known celestial objects and 4) fills in unknown data with procedurally generated objects.
It's not a pure 100% physics simulation. For instance, the sun won't go red giant and consume the earth after a few billion years. Wikipedia also points out "stellar proper motion is not simulated, and galaxies are at fixed locations and do not rotate." (I think I tried to simulate the Andromeda collision, but that won't happen) But the positions of planets should be accurate, especially in the time frame you mention.
Things I like: you can travel around the universe at various speeds. Anything from 1m/s to AU per second. You can travel to a moon and watch the planet-rise. You can control the FOV and camera projection. You can change the timestep (very slow or very fast, anything in between), or jump to a specific date time. And the physics don't get wonky at increased speeds, like they do in Universe Sandbox. There are user addons and some official expansion packs, like high detailed maps of the planets in our solar system.
Things I don't like: The UI is rather deep, it has a steep learning curve. Like a lot. You're going to be in the manual trying to figure out how to do simple tasks. Grab a piece of paper and make a cheat sheet. Also, it's still in beta, there are a few glitches you will encounter sometimes. Off the top of my head, I remember an issue when switching between camera projections a lot, and the space ship movement has some weird collision issues.
Other thoughts: The last version was released a couple years ago. There's a new updated planned "soon" which will be $20 on steam. I only mention the price to say the author has stated the old versions will continue to be free, and these already have quite a lot of capabilities. You can see a lot of user discovered screenshots at https://www.reddit.com/r/spaceengine/
edit: Sorry for the delay, here's a screenshot of Eris in the year 2347 (just fast forwarded a bit to no date in particular).
Here I've turned on markers for comets and asteroids
answered Dec 12 '18 at 14:34
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1766
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I might recommend Space Engine. Some description first, then my own thoughts.
Wiki description:
SpaceEngine (stylized as "Space Engine") is a proprietary 3D astronomy program[2] and game engine developed by Russian astronomer and programmer Vladimir Romanyuk.[3] It creates a three-dimensional planetarium representing the entire universe from a combination of real astronomical data and scientifically-accurate procedural generation algorithms. Users can travel through space in any direction or speed, and forwards or backwards in time.[4] SpaceEngine is in beta status and is currently freeware for Microsoft Windows.
Here's a brief blurb from the site:
An almost infinite procedural Universe is seamlessly blended with real objects known to modern astronomy. You can find our own planet Earth and the Solar system, famous stars with recently discovered exoplanets, hundreds of galaxies with real shapes. The power of the procedural engine fills known galaxies with procedural stars, creates procedural planets near real stars and generates procedural landscapes for all exoplanets and uncharted objects of our Solar system.
The key points are 1) it's windows software 2) that's free 3) which gives an accurate simulation of known celestial objects and 4) fills in unknown data with procedurally generated objects.
It's not a pure 100% physics simulation. For instance, the sun won't go red giant and consume the earth after a few billion years. Wikipedia also points out "stellar proper motion is not simulated, and galaxies are at fixed locations and do not rotate." (I think I tried to simulate the Andromeda collision, but that won't happen) But the positions of planets should be accurate, especially in the time frame you mention.
Things I like: you can travel around the universe at various speeds. Anything from 1m/s to AU per second. You can travel to a moon and watch the planet-rise. You can control the FOV and camera projection. You can change the timestep (very slow or very fast, anything in between), or jump to a specific date time. And the physics don't get wonky at increased speeds, like they do in Universe Sandbox. There are user addons and some official expansion packs, like high detailed maps of the planets in our solar system.
Things I don't like: The UI is rather deep, it has a steep learning curve. Like a lot. You're going to be in the manual trying to figure out how to do simple tasks. Grab a piece of paper and make a cheat sheet. Also, it's still in beta, there are a few glitches you will encounter sometimes. Off the top of my head, I remember an issue when switching between camera projections a lot, and the space ship movement has some weird collision issues.
Other thoughts: The last version was released a couple years ago. There's a new updated planned "soon" which will be $20 on steam. I only mention the price to say the author has stated the old versions will continue to be free, and these already have quite a lot of capabilities. You can see a lot of user discovered screenshots at https://www.reddit.com/r/spaceengine/
edit: Sorry for the delay, here's a screenshot of Eris in the year 2347 (just fast forwarded a bit to no date in particular).
Here I've turned on markers for comets and asteroids
answered Dec 12 '18 at 14:34
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1766
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I might recommend Space Engine. Some description first, then my own thoughts.
Wiki description:
SpaceEngine (stylized as "Space Engine") is a proprietary 3D astronomy program[2] and game engine developed by Russian astronomer and programmer Vladimir Romanyuk.[3] It creates a three-dimensional planetarium representing the entire universe from a combination of real astronomical data and scientifically-accurate procedural generation algorithms. Users can travel through space in any direction or speed, and forwards or backwards in time.[4] SpaceEngine is in beta status and is currently freeware for Microsoft Windows.
Here's a brief blurb from the site:
An almost infinite procedural Universe is seamlessly blended with real objects known to modern astronomy. You can find our own planet Earth and the Solar system, famous stars with recently discovered exoplanets, hundreds of galaxies with real shapes. The power of the procedural engine fills known galaxies with procedural stars, creates procedural planets near real stars and generates procedural landscapes for all exoplanets and uncharted objects of our Solar system.
The key points are 1) it's windows software 2) that's free 3) which gives an accurate simulation of known celestial objects and 4) fills in unknown data with procedurally generated objects.
It's not a pure 100% physics simulation. For instance, the sun won't go red giant and consume the earth after a few billion years. Wikipedia also points out "stellar proper motion is not simulated, and galaxies are at fixed locations and do not rotate." (I think I tried to simulate the Andromeda collision, but that won't happen) But the positions of planets should be accurate, especially in the time frame you mention.
Things I like: you can travel around the universe at various speeds. Anything from 1m/s to AU per second. You can travel to a moon and watch the planet-rise. You can control the FOV and camera projection. You can change the timestep (very slow or very fast, anything in between), or jump to a specific date time. And the physics don't get wonky at increased speeds, like they do in Universe Sandbox. There are user addons and some official expansion packs, like high detailed maps of the planets in our solar system.
Things I don't like: The UI is rather deep, it has a steep learning curve. Like a lot. You're going to be in the manual trying to figure out how to do simple tasks. Grab a piece of paper and make a cheat sheet. Also, it's still in beta, there are a few glitches you will encounter sometimes. Off the top of my head, I remember an issue when switching between camera projections a lot, and the space ship movement has some weird collision issues.
Other thoughts: The last version was released a couple years ago. There's a new updated planned "soon" which will be $20 on steam. I only mention the price to say the author has stated the old versions will continue to be free, and these already have quite a lot of capabilities. You can see a lot of user discovered screenshots at https://www.reddit.com/r/spaceengine/
edit: Sorry for the delay, here's a screenshot of Eris in the year 2347 (just fast forwarded a bit to no date in particular).
Here I've turned on markers for comets and asteroids
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I like to use celestron starry night for skywatching, and it is pretty accurate. Also, it can also go forward a time to, if I remeber correctly, to 3000 AD.
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– Aaron
Dec 12 '18 at 4:12
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Starry Night is pretty reliable.
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– user58275
Dec 12 '18 at 4:18
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You could ask at softwarerecs.stackexchange.com
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– Nicolas Raoul
Dec 12 '18 at 8:27
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Note that Pluto vs Eris being the last stop before you exit the solar system depends on where they are and where you are going. It's like going from Chicago to Paris - NYC might be the "last stop" in the USA, even though Los Angeles is further away, because you're not going in the direction of LA.
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– Skyler
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Worth considering that in four hundred years, it's fairly likely that multiple other Kuiper Belt objects will have been found that are similar in size to Pluto and Eris, if not larger. It's okay to write fiction that includes science that is later proven wrong, you know...
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– Zeiss Ikon
Dec 12 '18 at 18:44