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Four dice are thrown simultaneously. The probability that $4$ and $3$ appear on two of the dice given that $5$ and $6$ appear on the other two dice is:



a) $1/6$



b) $1/36$



c) $12/51$



d) None of these




Since the events are independent, I feel the probability is $1/6 times 1/6 = 1/36$



But answer is c. Why?










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  • Conditional probability, namely, $P(x) = P($each dice has $3, 4, 5$ and $6$ respectively $)/P(5$ and $6$ appear on $2$ dices$)$, where x is our event we want to find probability for.
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  • Given the current list of choices, the correct answer is d).
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  • Die is singular; dice is plural; dices is the third person singular form of the verb to dice, meaning to cut into small cubes.
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Four dice are thrown simultaneously. The probability that $4$ and $3$ appear on two of the dice given that $5$ and $6$ appear on the other two dice is:



a) $1/6$



b) $1/36$



c) $12/51$



d) None of these




Since the events are independent, I feel the probability is $1/6 times 1/6 = 1/36$



But answer is c. Why?










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  • Conditional probability, namely, $P(x) = P($each dice has $3, 4, 5$ and $6$ respectively $)/P(5$ and $6$ appear on $2$ dices$)$, where x is our event we want to find probability for.
    – Makina
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  • Given the current list of choices, the correct answer is d).
    – kludg
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  • Die is singular; dice is plural; dices is the third person singular form of the verb to dice, meaning to cut into small cubes.
    – N. F. Taussig
    15 hours ago













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Four dice are thrown simultaneously. The probability that $4$ and $3$ appear on two of the dice given that $5$ and $6$ appear on the other two dice is:



a) $1/6$



b) $1/36$



c) $12/51$



d) None of these




Since the events are independent, I feel the probability is $1/6 times 1/6 = 1/36$



But answer is c. Why?










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Four dice are thrown simultaneously. The probability that $4$ and $3$ appear on two of the dice given that $5$ and $6$ appear on the other two dice is:



a) $1/6$



b) $1/36$



c) $12/51$



d) None of these




Since the events are independent, I feel the probability is $1/6 times 1/6 = 1/36$



But answer is c. Why?







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  • Conditional probability, namely, $P(x) = P($each dice has $3, 4, 5$ and $6$ respectively $)/P(5$ and $6$ appear on $2$ dices$)$, where x is our event we want to find probability for.
    – Makina
    18 hours ago












  • Given the current list of choices, the correct answer is d).
    – kludg
    17 hours ago










  • Die is singular; dice is plural; dices is the third person singular form of the verb to dice, meaning to cut into small cubes.
    – N. F. Taussig
    15 hours ago


















  • Conditional probability, namely, $P(x) = P($each dice has $3, 4, 5$ and $6$ respectively $)/P(5$ and $6$ appear on $2$ dices$)$, where x is our event we want to find probability for.
    – Makina
    18 hours ago












  • Given the current list of choices, the correct answer is d).
    – kludg
    17 hours ago










  • Die is singular; dice is plural; dices is the third person singular form of the verb to dice, meaning to cut into small cubes.
    – N. F. Taussig
    15 hours ago
















Conditional probability, namely, $P(x) = P($each dice has $3, 4, 5$ and $6$ respectively $)/P(5$ and $6$ appear on $2$ dices$)$, where x is our event we want to find probability for.
– Makina
18 hours ago






Conditional probability, namely, $P(x) = P($each dice has $3, 4, 5$ and $6$ respectively $)/P(5$ and $6$ appear on $2$ dices$)$, where x is our event we want to find probability for.
– Makina
18 hours ago














Given the current list of choices, the correct answer is d).
– kludg
17 hours ago




Given the current list of choices, the correct answer is d).
– kludg
17 hours ago












Die is singular; dice is plural; dices is the third person singular form of the verb to dice, meaning to cut into small cubes.
– N. F. Taussig
15 hours ago




Die is singular; dice is plural; dices is the third person singular form of the verb to dice, meaning to cut into small cubes.
– N. F. Taussig
15 hours ago










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Even if there are only two dice, the probability of observing $4$ and $3$ is not $1/6 times 1/6$, but rather, $1/18$, since the sample space is the set of ordered pairs $(a,b)$ where each $a, b in {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}$. Thus there are two desired outcomes $(4,3)$, $(3,4)$ out of $6^2 = 36$ possible outcomes.



When there are four dice, two of which you are told are $5$ and $6$, you must reason carefully and precisely. Given the set of all outcomes of four dice rolls, select those that show at least one $5$ and at least one $6$. Of these, how many show $3$ and $4$ on the other two dice?



Doing mathematics is not about "feelings." It is about showing and justifying your reasoning. Describing your calculation without providing a sound basis for why you are doing what you are doing, is not math.






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  • But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
    – Abcd
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  • I now think that the answer should be 1/18
    – Abcd
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  • Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
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The tricky part of the solution is to find the number of outcomes such that 2 dice land $5$ and $6$; it can be done using inclusions/exclusions.



Let $Omega$ be the set of all outcomes, of size $6^4$.
Let $S_5$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s, of size $5^4$.
Let $S_6$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $6$'s, of size $5^4$.
Let $S_{5,6}$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s no $6$'s, of size $4^4$.



Using inclusion/exclusion principle the number of outcomes that contain at least one $5$ and at least one $6$ is
$$6^4-5^4-5^4+4^4=302$$
The rest is simple, and the answer is $12/151$






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    Even if there are only two dice, the probability of observing $4$ and $3$ is not $1/6 times 1/6$, but rather, $1/18$, since the sample space is the set of ordered pairs $(a,b)$ where each $a, b in {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}$. Thus there are two desired outcomes $(4,3)$, $(3,4)$ out of $6^2 = 36$ possible outcomes.



    When there are four dice, two of which you are told are $5$ and $6$, you must reason carefully and precisely. Given the set of all outcomes of four dice rolls, select those that show at least one $5$ and at least one $6$. Of these, how many show $3$ and $4$ on the other two dice?



    Doing mathematics is not about "feelings." It is about showing and justifying your reasoning. Describing your calculation without providing a sound basis for why you are doing what you are doing, is not math.






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    • But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
      – Abcd
      18 hours ago










    • I now think that the answer should be 1/18
      – Abcd
      18 hours ago










    • Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
      – heropup
      18 hours ago















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    Even if there are only two dice, the probability of observing $4$ and $3$ is not $1/6 times 1/6$, but rather, $1/18$, since the sample space is the set of ordered pairs $(a,b)$ where each $a, b in {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}$. Thus there are two desired outcomes $(4,3)$, $(3,4)$ out of $6^2 = 36$ possible outcomes.



    When there are four dice, two of which you are told are $5$ and $6$, you must reason carefully and precisely. Given the set of all outcomes of four dice rolls, select those that show at least one $5$ and at least one $6$. Of these, how many show $3$ and $4$ on the other two dice?



    Doing mathematics is not about "feelings." It is about showing and justifying your reasoning. Describing your calculation without providing a sound basis for why you are doing what you are doing, is not math.






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    • But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
      – Abcd
      18 hours ago










    • I now think that the answer should be 1/18
      – Abcd
      18 hours ago










    • Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
      – heropup
      18 hours ago













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    Even if there are only two dice, the probability of observing $4$ and $3$ is not $1/6 times 1/6$, but rather, $1/18$, since the sample space is the set of ordered pairs $(a,b)$ where each $a, b in {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}$. Thus there are two desired outcomes $(4,3)$, $(3,4)$ out of $6^2 = 36$ possible outcomes.



    When there are four dice, two of which you are told are $5$ and $6$, you must reason carefully and precisely. Given the set of all outcomes of four dice rolls, select those that show at least one $5$ and at least one $6$. Of these, how many show $3$ and $4$ on the other two dice?



    Doing mathematics is not about "feelings." It is about showing and justifying your reasoning. Describing your calculation without providing a sound basis for why you are doing what you are doing, is not math.






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    Even if there are only two dice, the probability of observing $4$ and $3$ is not $1/6 times 1/6$, but rather, $1/18$, since the sample space is the set of ordered pairs $(a,b)$ where each $a, b in {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}$. Thus there are two desired outcomes $(4,3)$, $(3,4)$ out of $6^2 = 36$ possible outcomes.



    When there are four dice, two of which you are told are $5$ and $6$, you must reason carefully and precisely. Given the set of all outcomes of four dice rolls, select those that show at least one $5$ and at least one $6$. Of these, how many show $3$ and $4$ on the other two dice?



    Doing mathematics is not about "feelings." It is about showing and justifying your reasoning. Describing your calculation without providing a sound basis for why you are doing what you are doing, is not math.







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    • But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
      – Abcd
      18 hours ago










    • I now think that the answer should be 1/18
      – Abcd
      18 hours ago










    • Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
      – heropup
      18 hours ago


















    • But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
      – Abcd
      18 hours ago










    • I now think that the answer should be 1/18
      – Abcd
      18 hours ago










    • Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
      – heropup
      18 hours ago
















    But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
    – Abcd
    18 hours ago




    But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
    – Abcd
    18 hours ago












    I now think that the answer should be 1/18
    – Abcd
    18 hours ago




    I now think that the answer should be 1/18
    – Abcd
    18 hours ago












    Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
    – heropup
    18 hours ago




    Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
    – heropup
    18 hours ago










    up vote
    0
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    The tricky part of the solution is to find the number of outcomes such that 2 dice land $5$ and $6$; it can be done using inclusions/exclusions.



    Let $Omega$ be the set of all outcomes, of size $6^4$.
    Let $S_5$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s, of size $5^4$.
    Let $S_6$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $6$'s, of size $5^4$.
    Let $S_{5,6}$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s no $6$'s, of size $4^4$.



    Using inclusion/exclusion principle the number of outcomes that contain at least one $5$ and at least one $6$ is
    $$6^4-5^4-5^4+4^4=302$$
    The rest is simple, and the answer is $12/151$






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      The tricky part of the solution is to find the number of outcomes such that 2 dice land $5$ and $6$; it can be done using inclusions/exclusions.



      Let $Omega$ be the set of all outcomes, of size $6^4$.
      Let $S_5$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s, of size $5^4$.
      Let $S_6$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $6$'s, of size $5^4$.
      Let $S_{5,6}$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s no $6$'s, of size $4^4$.



      Using inclusion/exclusion principle the number of outcomes that contain at least one $5$ and at least one $6$ is
      $$6^4-5^4-5^4+4^4=302$$
      The rest is simple, and the answer is $12/151$






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        The tricky part of the solution is to find the number of outcomes such that 2 dice land $5$ and $6$; it can be done using inclusions/exclusions.



        Let $Omega$ be the set of all outcomes, of size $6^4$.
        Let $S_5$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s, of size $5^4$.
        Let $S_6$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $6$'s, of size $5^4$.
        Let $S_{5,6}$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s no $6$'s, of size $4^4$.



        Using inclusion/exclusion principle the number of outcomes that contain at least one $5$ and at least one $6$ is
        $$6^4-5^4-5^4+4^4=302$$
        The rest is simple, and the answer is $12/151$






        share|cite|improve this answer












        The tricky part of the solution is to find the number of outcomes such that 2 dice land $5$ and $6$; it can be done using inclusions/exclusions.



        Let $Omega$ be the set of all outcomes, of size $6^4$.
        Let $S_5$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s, of size $5^4$.
        Let $S_6$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $6$'s, of size $5^4$.
        Let $S_{5,6}$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s no $6$'s, of size $4^4$.



        Using inclusion/exclusion principle the number of outcomes that contain at least one $5$ and at least one $6$ is
        $$6^4-5^4-5^4+4^4=302$$
        The rest is simple, and the answer is $12/151$







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