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Four dice are thrown simultaneously. The probability that $4$ and $3$ appear on two of the dice given that $5$ and $6$ appear on the other two dice is:
a) $1/6$
b) $1/36$
c) $12/51$
d) None of these
Since the events are independent, I feel the probability is $1/6 times 1/6 = 1/36$
But answer is c. Why?
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Four dice are thrown simultaneously. The probability that $4$ and $3$ appear on two of the dice given that $5$ and $6$ appear on the other two dice is:
a) $1/6$
b) $1/36$
c) $12/51$
d) None of these
Since the events are independent, I feel the probability is $1/6 times 1/6 = 1/36$
But answer is c. Why?
probability
Conditional probability, namely, $P(x) = P($each dice has $3, 4, 5$ and $6$ respectively $)/P(5$ and $6$ appear on $2$ dices$)$, where x is our event we want to find probability for.
– Makina
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Given the current list of choices, the correct answer is d).
– kludg
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Die is singular; dice is plural; dices is the third person singular form of the verb to dice, meaning to cut into small cubes.
– N. F. Taussig
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Four dice are thrown simultaneously. The probability that $4$ and $3$ appear on two of the dice given that $5$ and $6$ appear on the other two dice is:
a) $1/6$
b) $1/36$
c) $12/51$
d) None of these
Since the events are independent, I feel the probability is $1/6 times 1/6 = 1/36$
But answer is c. Why?
probability
Four dice are thrown simultaneously. The probability that $4$ and $3$ appear on two of the dice given that $5$ and $6$ appear on the other two dice is:
a) $1/6$
b) $1/36$
c) $12/51$
d) None of these
Since the events are independent, I feel the probability is $1/6 times 1/6 = 1/36$
But answer is c. Why?
probability
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Conditional probability, namely, $P(x) = P($each dice has $3, 4, 5$ and $6$ respectively $)/P(5$ and $6$ appear on $2$ dices$)$, where x is our event we want to find probability for.
– Makina
18 hours ago
Given the current list of choices, the correct answer is d).
– kludg
17 hours ago
Die is singular; dice is plural; dices is the third person singular form of the verb to dice, meaning to cut into small cubes.
– N. F. Taussig
15 hours ago
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Conditional probability, namely, $P(x) = P($each dice has $3, 4, 5$ and $6$ respectively $)/P(5$ and $6$ appear on $2$ dices$)$, where x is our event we want to find probability for.
– Makina
18 hours ago
Given the current list of choices, the correct answer is d).
– kludg
17 hours ago
Die is singular; dice is plural; dices is the third person singular form of the verb to dice, meaning to cut into small cubes.
– N. F. Taussig
15 hours ago
Conditional probability, namely, $P(x) = P($each dice has $3, 4, 5$ and $6$ respectively $)/P(5$ and $6$ appear on $2$ dices$)$, where x is our event we want to find probability for.
– Makina
18 hours ago
Conditional probability, namely, $P(x) = P($each dice has $3, 4, 5$ and $6$ respectively $)/P(5$ and $6$ appear on $2$ dices$)$, where x is our event we want to find probability for.
– Makina
18 hours ago
Given the current list of choices, the correct answer is d).
– kludg
17 hours ago
Given the current list of choices, the correct answer is d).
– kludg
17 hours ago
Die is singular; dice is plural; dices is the third person singular form of the verb to dice, meaning to cut into small cubes.
– N. F. Taussig
15 hours ago
Die is singular; dice is plural; dices is the third person singular form of the verb to dice, meaning to cut into small cubes.
– N. F. Taussig
15 hours ago
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Even if there are only two dice, the probability of observing $4$ and $3$ is not $1/6 times 1/6$, but rather, $1/18$, since the sample space is the set of ordered pairs $(a,b)$ where each $a, b in {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}$. Thus there are two desired outcomes $(4,3)$, $(3,4)$ out of $6^2 = 36$ possible outcomes.
When there are four dice, two of which you are told are $5$ and $6$, you must reason carefully and precisely. Given the set of all outcomes of four dice rolls, select those that show at least one $5$ and at least one $6$. Of these, how many show $3$ and $4$ on the other two dice?
Doing mathematics is not about "feelings." It is about showing and justifying your reasoning. Describing your calculation without providing a sound basis for why you are doing what you are doing, is not math.
But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
– Abcd
18 hours ago
I now think that the answer should be 1/18
– Abcd
18 hours ago
Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
– heropup
18 hours ago
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The tricky part of the solution is to find the number of outcomes such that 2 dice land $5$ and $6$; it can be done using inclusions/exclusions.
Let $Omega$ be the set of all outcomes, of size $6^4$.
Let $S_5$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s, of size $5^4$.
Let $S_6$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $6$'s, of size $5^4$.
Let $S_{5,6}$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s no $6$'s, of size $4^4$.
Using inclusion/exclusion principle the number of outcomes that contain at least one $5$ and at least one $6$ is
$$6^4-5^4-5^4+4^4=302$$
The rest is simple, and the answer is $12/151$
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Even if there are only two dice, the probability of observing $4$ and $3$ is not $1/6 times 1/6$, but rather, $1/18$, since the sample space is the set of ordered pairs $(a,b)$ where each $a, b in {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}$. Thus there are two desired outcomes $(4,3)$, $(3,4)$ out of $6^2 = 36$ possible outcomes.
When there are four dice, two of which you are told are $5$ and $6$, you must reason carefully and precisely. Given the set of all outcomes of four dice rolls, select those that show at least one $5$ and at least one $6$. Of these, how many show $3$ and $4$ on the other two dice?
Doing mathematics is not about "feelings." It is about showing and justifying your reasoning. Describing your calculation without providing a sound basis for why you are doing what you are doing, is not math.
But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
– Abcd
18 hours ago
I now think that the answer should be 1/18
– Abcd
18 hours ago
Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
– heropup
18 hours ago
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Even if there are only two dice, the probability of observing $4$ and $3$ is not $1/6 times 1/6$, but rather, $1/18$, since the sample space is the set of ordered pairs $(a,b)$ where each $a, b in {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}$. Thus there are two desired outcomes $(4,3)$, $(3,4)$ out of $6^2 = 36$ possible outcomes.
When there are four dice, two of which you are told are $5$ and $6$, you must reason carefully and precisely. Given the set of all outcomes of four dice rolls, select those that show at least one $5$ and at least one $6$. Of these, how many show $3$ and $4$ on the other two dice?
Doing mathematics is not about "feelings." It is about showing and justifying your reasoning. Describing your calculation without providing a sound basis for why you are doing what you are doing, is not math.
But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
– Abcd
18 hours ago
I now think that the answer should be 1/18
– Abcd
18 hours ago
Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
– heropup
18 hours ago
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Even if there are only two dice, the probability of observing $4$ and $3$ is not $1/6 times 1/6$, but rather, $1/18$, since the sample space is the set of ordered pairs $(a,b)$ where each $a, b in {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}$. Thus there are two desired outcomes $(4,3)$, $(3,4)$ out of $6^2 = 36$ possible outcomes.
When there are four dice, two of which you are told are $5$ and $6$, you must reason carefully and precisely. Given the set of all outcomes of four dice rolls, select those that show at least one $5$ and at least one $6$. Of these, how many show $3$ and $4$ on the other two dice?
Doing mathematics is not about "feelings." It is about showing and justifying your reasoning. Describing your calculation without providing a sound basis for why you are doing what you are doing, is not math.
Even if there are only two dice, the probability of observing $4$ and $3$ is not $1/6 times 1/6$, but rather, $1/18$, since the sample space is the set of ordered pairs $(a,b)$ where each $a, b in {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6}$. Thus there are two desired outcomes $(4,3)$, $(3,4)$ out of $6^2 = 36$ possible outcomes.
When there are four dice, two of which you are told are $5$ and $6$, you must reason carefully and precisely. Given the set of all outcomes of four dice rolls, select those that show at least one $5$ and at least one $6$. Of these, how many show $3$ and $4$ on the other two dice?
Doing mathematics is not about "feelings." It is about showing and justifying your reasoning. Describing your calculation without providing a sound basis for why you are doing what you are doing, is not math.
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But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
– Abcd
18 hours ago
I now think that the answer should be 1/18
– Abcd
18 hours ago
Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
– heropup
18 hours ago
add a comment |
But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
– Abcd
18 hours ago
I now think that the answer should be 1/18
– Abcd
18 hours ago
Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
– heropup
18 hours ago
But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
– Abcd
18 hours ago
But isn't it given that two events - 3 and 4 have surely happened? Then why to worry about that?
– Abcd
18 hours ago
I now think that the answer should be 1/18
– Abcd
18 hours ago
I now think that the answer should be 1/18
– Abcd
18 hours ago
Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
– heropup
18 hours ago
Why don't you actually try the calculation in the correct way, instead of just claiming that the answer "should" be something that isn't even one of the answer choices?
– heropup
18 hours ago
add a comment |
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The tricky part of the solution is to find the number of outcomes such that 2 dice land $5$ and $6$; it can be done using inclusions/exclusions.
Let $Omega$ be the set of all outcomes, of size $6^4$.
Let $S_5$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s, of size $5^4$.
Let $S_6$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $6$'s, of size $5^4$.
Let $S_{5,6}$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s no $6$'s, of size $4^4$.
Using inclusion/exclusion principle the number of outcomes that contain at least one $5$ and at least one $6$ is
$$6^4-5^4-5^4+4^4=302$$
The rest is simple, and the answer is $12/151$
add a comment |
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The tricky part of the solution is to find the number of outcomes such that 2 dice land $5$ and $6$; it can be done using inclusions/exclusions.
Let $Omega$ be the set of all outcomes, of size $6^4$.
Let $S_5$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s, of size $5^4$.
Let $S_6$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $6$'s, of size $5^4$.
Let $S_{5,6}$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s no $6$'s, of size $4^4$.
Using inclusion/exclusion principle the number of outcomes that contain at least one $5$ and at least one $6$ is
$$6^4-5^4-5^4+4^4=302$$
The rest is simple, and the answer is $12/151$
add a comment |
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
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The tricky part of the solution is to find the number of outcomes such that 2 dice land $5$ and $6$; it can be done using inclusions/exclusions.
Let $Omega$ be the set of all outcomes, of size $6^4$.
Let $S_5$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s, of size $5^4$.
Let $S_6$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $6$'s, of size $5^4$.
Let $S_{5,6}$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s no $6$'s, of size $4^4$.
Using inclusion/exclusion principle the number of outcomes that contain at least one $5$ and at least one $6$ is
$$6^4-5^4-5^4+4^4=302$$
The rest is simple, and the answer is $12/151$
The tricky part of the solution is to find the number of outcomes such that 2 dice land $5$ and $6$; it can be done using inclusions/exclusions.
Let $Omega$ be the set of all outcomes, of size $6^4$.
Let $S_5$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s, of size $5^4$.
Let $S_6$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $6$'s, of size $5^4$.
Let $S_{5,6}$ be the set of outcomes that contain no $5$'s no $6$'s, of size $4^4$.
Using inclusion/exclusion principle the number of outcomes that contain at least one $5$ and at least one $6$ is
$$6^4-5^4-5^4+4^4=302$$
The rest is simple, and the answer is $12/151$
answered 16 hours ago
kludg
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1,139611
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Conditional probability, namely, $P(x) = P($each dice has $3, 4, 5$ and $6$ respectively $)/P(5$ and $6$ appear on $2$ dices$)$, where x is our event we want to find probability for.
– Makina
18 hours ago
Given the current list of choices, the correct answer is d).
– kludg
17 hours ago
Die is singular; dice is plural; dices is the third person singular form of the verb to dice, meaning to cut into small cubes.
– N. F. Taussig
15 hours ago