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There are odd number of rocks aligned in a row. Distance between each rock 10 meters. These rocks should be collected at the middle stone. A worker can carry only one rock at the same time. After collecting all these rocks, he walked total of 3 kilometers. How many rocks are there?




I approached this by only considering one side of middle stone, because the same principle would apply to the other side. Because the distance between each rock is 10 meters, to collect the first rock he has to travel $10*2$, first to get the rock and the then to make his way back to the middle stone. For the second rock, he has to travel $20*2$, for the third $30*2$ and so on. Sum of all these distances traveled has to be equal to $1.5km=1500 m$, because we are only considering half of the stones.



So this is arithmetic series where we have: $a_1=20$, $d=20$ where $a$ is the first term and $d$ is common difference. By calculating arithmetic sum:
$1500=frac{2*20+20(n-1)}{2}n$ where $n$ is number of rocks on one side of the row



Thus $n=-frac{1}{2}±frac{sqrt{601}}{2}$, which is clearly not true, because number of rocks has to be an integer.



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  • What does "These rocks should be collected at the middle stone" mean?
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  • The problem is underdetermined. There could be just three stones and the worker could carry the ones on the left and right a long way away and then bring them back to the middle.
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  • @YiFan For example we have three rocks, $a_1$, $a_2$, $a_3$, these $a_1$ and $a_3$ rocks have to be brought to the middle $a_2$ rock.
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  • @RobArthan What if the worker travels in the most efficient way?
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    I think you should add your assumption about the meaning of the problem to your question. You might also like to state your assumption about where the worker is at the start. That way your question becomes self-contained and you and I can remove our comments about this clarification. (This is a fairly standard way to go about things in the evolution of a good MSE question.)
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There are odd number of rocks aligned in a row. Distance between each rock 10 meters. These rocks should be collected at the middle stone. A worker can carry only one rock at the same time. After collecting all these rocks, he walked total of 3 kilometers. How many rocks are there?




I approached this by only considering one side of middle stone, because the same principle would apply to the other side. Because the distance between each rock is 10 meters, to collect the first rock he has to travel $10*2$, first to get the rock and the then to make his way back to the middle stone. For the second rock, he has to travel $20*2$, for the third $30*2$ and so on. Sum of all these distances traveled has to be equal to $1.5km=1500 m$, because we are only considering half of the stones.



So this is arithmetic series where we have: $a_1=20$, $d=20$ where $a$ is the first term and $d$ is common difference. By calculating arithmetic sum:
$1500=frac{2*20+20(n-1)}{2}n$ where $n$ is number of rocks on one side of the row



Thus $n=-frac{1}{2}±frac{sqrt{601}}{2}$, which is clearly not true, because number of rocks has to be an integer.



Where am I making a mistake? I appreciate any help.










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  • What does "These rocks should be collected at the middle stone" mean?
    – YiFan
    Nov 20 at 22:45










  • The problem is underdetermined. There could be just three stones and the worker could carry the ones on the left and right a long way away and then bring them back to the middle.
    – Rob Arthan
    Nov 20 at 22:49










  • @YiFan For example we have three rocks, $a_1$, $a_2$, $a_3$, these $a_1$ and $a_3$ rocks have to be brought to the middle $a_2$ rock.
    – Lanet
    Nov 20 at 22:52












  • @RobArthan What if the worker travels in the most efficient way?
    – Lanet
    Nov 20 at 22:52






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    I think you should add your assumption about the meaning of the problem to your question. You might also like to state your assumption about where the worker is at the start. That way your question becomes self-contained and you and I can remove our comments about this clarification. (This is a fairly standard way to go about things in the evolution of a good MSE question.)
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There are odd number of rocks aligned in a row. Distance between each rock 10 meters. These rocks should be collected at the middle stone. A worker can carry only one rock at the same time. After collecting all these rocks, he walked total of 3 kilometers. How many rocks are there?




I approached this by only considering one side of middle stone, because the same principle would apply to the other side. Because the distance between each rock is 10 meters, to collect the first rock he has to travel $10*2$, first to get the rock and the then to make his way back to the middle stone. For the second rock, he has to travel $20*2$, for the third $30*2$ and so on. Sum of all these distances traveled has to be equal to $1.5km=1500 m$, because we are only considering half of the stones.



So this is arithmetic series where we have: $a_1=20$, $d=20$ where $a$ is the first term and $d$ is common difference. By calculating arithmetic sum:
$1500=frac{2*20+20(n-1)}{2}n$ where $n$ is number of rocks on one side of the row



Thus $n=-frac{1}{2}±frac{sqrt{601}}{2}$, which is clearly not true, because number of rocks has to be an integer.



Where am I making a mistake? I appreciate any help.










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There are odd number of rocks aligned in a row. Distance between each rock 10 meters. These rocks should be collected at the middle stone. A worker can carry only one rock at the same time. After collecting all these rocks, he walked total of 3 kilometers. How many rocks are there?




I approached this by only considering one side of middle stone, because the same principle would apply to the other side. Because the distance between each rock is 10 meters, to collect the first rock he has to travel $10*2$, first to get the rock and the then to make his way back to the middle stone. For the second rock, he has to travel $20*2$, for the third $30*2$ and so on. Sum of all these distances traveled has to be equal to $1.5km=1500 m$, because we are only considering half of the stones.



So this is arithmetic series where we have: $a_1=20$, $d=20$ where $a$ is the first term and $d$ is common difference. By calculating arithmetic sum:
$1500=frac{2*20+20(n-1)}{2}n$ where $n$ is number of rocks on one side of the row



Thus $n=-frac{1}{2}±frac{sqrt{601}}{2}$, which is clearly not true, because number of rocks has to be an integer.



Where am I making a mistake? I appreciate any help.







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  • What does "These rocks should be collected at the middle stone" mean?
    – YiFan
    Nov 20 at 22:45










  • The problem is underdetermined. There could be just three stones and the worker could carry the ones on the left and right a long way away and then bring them back to the middle.
    – Rob Arthan
    Nov 20 at 22:49










  • @YiFan For example we have three rocks, $a_1$, $a_2$, $a_3$, these $a_1$ and $a_3$ rocks have to be brought to the middle $a_2$ rock.
    – Lanet
    Nov 20 at 22:52












  • @RobArthan What if the worker travels in the most efficient way?
    – Lanet
    Nov 20 at 22:52






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    I think you should add your assumption about the meaning of the problem to your question. You might also like to state your assumption about where the worker is at the start. That way your question becomes self-contained and you and I can remove our comments about this clarification. (This is a fairly standard way to go about things in the evolution of a good MSE question.)
    – Rob Arthan
    Nov 20 at 22:59




















  • What does "These rocks should be collected at the middle stone" mean?
    – YiFan
    Nov 20 at 22:45










  • The problem is underdetermined. There could be just three stones and the worker could carry the ones on the left and right a long way away and then bring them back to the middle.
    – Rob Arthan
    Nov 20 at 22:49










  • @YiFan For example we have three rocks, $a_1$, $a_2$, $a_3$, these $a_1$ and $a_3$ rocks have to be brought to the middle $a_2$ rock.
    – Lanet
    Nov 20 at 22:52












  • @RobArthan What if the worker travels in the most efficient way?
    – Lanet
    Nov 20 at 22:52






  • 1




    I think you should add your assumption about the meaning of the problem to your question. You might also like to state your assumption about where the worker is at the start. That way your question becomes self-contained and you and I can remove our comments about this clarification. (This is a fairly standard way to go about things in the evolution of a good MSE question.)
    – Rob Arthan
    Nov 20 at 22:59


















What does "These rocks should be collected at the middle stone" mean?
– YiFan
Nov 20 at 22:45




What does "These rocks should be collected at the middle stone" mean?
– YiFan
Nov 20 at 22:45












The problem is underdetermined. There could be just three stones and the worker could carry the ones on the left and right a long way away and then bring them back to the middle.
– Rob Arthan
Nov 20 at 22:49




The problem is underdetermined. There could be just three stones and the worker could carry the ones on the left and right a long way away and then bring them back to the middle.
– Rob Arthan
Nov 20 at 22:49












@YiFan For example we have three rocks, $a_1$, $a_2$, $a_3$, these $a_1$ and $a_3$ rocks have to be brought to the middle $a_2$ rock.
– Lanet
Nov 20 at 22:52






@YiFan For example we have three rocks, $a_1$, $a_2$, $a_3$, these $a_1$ and $a_3$ rocks have to be brought to the middle $a_2$ rock.
– Lanet
Nov 20 at 22:52














@RobArthan What if the worker travels in the most efficient way?
– Lanet
Nov 20 at 22:52




@RobArthan What if the worker travels in the most efficient way?
– Lanet
Nov 20 at 22:52




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I think you should add your assumption about the meaning of the problem to your question. You might also like to state your assumption about where the worker is at the start. That way your question becomes self-contained and you and I can remove our comments about this clarification. (This is a fairly standard way to go about things in the evolution of a good MSE question.)
– Rob Arthan
Nov 20 at 22:59






I think you should add your assumption about the meaning of the problem to your question. You might also like to state your assumption about where the worker is at the start. That way your question becomes self-contained and you and I can remove our comments about this clarification. (This is a fairly standard way to go about things in the evolution of a good MSE question.)
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There are $25$ rocks.



The worker starts at the first rock (from the left) and carries that rock to rock 13, which is the middle rock. He then goes back to get the second rock and brings it to the middle rock and so on. When all rocks to the left are collected, he collects the ones on the right.



The distance covered carrying the rocks on the left side is then $$D_L = 120 + 20(1+2+3+ldots+11) = 1,440 m$$
The distance covered carrying the rocks on the right side is $$D_R = 20(1+2+3+ldots+12) = 1,560 m$$



We see that $D_L+D_R = 3,000 m$.






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    Your error arises from assuming that the worker starts in the middle. It is more efficient to start at one end and carry rocks to the middle.



    Assume that there are $n$ rocks on each side of the middle rock. If the worker starts at the end, he has to carry that rock a distance of $10n~text{m}$. For the worker to move the $k$th rock on that side to the middle, where $1 leq k leq n - 1$, the worker must travel $10k~text{m}$ to the rock and carry the rock $10k~text{m}$ back to the middle. On the opposite side, the worker must travel $10k~text{m}$ to the rock, then carry the rock $10k~text{m}$ back to the middle, where $1 leq k leq n$. Since the worker travels a total of $3000~text{m}$,
    begin{align*}
    10n~text{m} + sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} 20k~text{m} + sum_{k = 1}^{n} 20k~text{m} & = 3000~text{m}\
    n + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n} k & = 300\
    n + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2n & = 300\
    3n + 4sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k & = 300\
    3n + 4 cdot frac{n(n - 1)}{2} & = 300\
    3n + 2n(n - 1) & = 300\
    2n^2 + n & = 300\
    2n^2 + n - 300 & = 0\
    2n^2 + 25n - 24n - 300 & = 0\
    n(2n + 25) - 12(2n + 25) & = 0\
    (n - 12)(2n + 25) & = 0
    end{align*}

    Hence, $n = 12$ or $n = -25/2$. Since we cannot have a negative number of rocks, there must be $12$ rocks on each side of the middle rock, so there are a total of $2 cdot 12 + 1 = 25$ rocks in the row.






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      There are $25$ rocks.



      The worker starts at the first rock (from the left) and carries that rock to rock 13, which is the middle rock. He then goes back to get the second rock and brings it to the middle rock and so on. When all rocks to the left are collected, he collects the ones on the right.



      The distance covered carrying the rocks on the left side is then $$D_L = 120 + 20(1+2+3+ldots+11) = 1,440 m$$
      The distance covered carrying the rocks on the right side is $$D_R = 20(1+2+3+ldots+12) = 1,560 m$$



      We see that $D_L+D_R = 3,000 m$.






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        There are $25$ rocks.



        The worker starts at the first rock (from the left) and carries that rock to rock 13, which is the middle rock. He then goes back to get the second rock and brings it to the middle rock and so on. When all rocks to the left are collected, he collects the ones on the right.



        The distance covered carrying the rocks on the left side is then $$D_L = 120 + 20(1+2+3+ldots+11) = 1,440 m$$
        The distance covered carrying the rocks on the right side is $$D_R = 20(1+2+3+ldots+12) = 1,560 m$$



        We see that $D_L+D_R = 3,000 m$.






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          There are $25$ rocks.



          The worker starts at the first rock (from the left) and carries that rock to rock 13, which is the middle rock. He then goes back to get the second rock and brings it to the middle rock and so on. When all rocks to the left are collected, he collects the ones on the right.



          The distance covered carrying the rocks on the left side is then $$D_L = 120 + 20(1+2+3+ldots+11) = 1,440 m$$
          The distance covered carrying the rocks on the right side is $$D_R = 20(1+2+3+ldots+12) = 1,560 m$$



          We see that $D_L+D_R = 3,000 m$.






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          There are $25$ rocks.



          The worker starts at the first rock (from the left) and carries that rock to rock 13, which is the middle rock. He then goes back to get the second rock and brings it to the middle rock and so on. When all rocks to the left are collected, he collects the ones on the right.



          The distance covered carrying the rocks on the left side is then $$D_L = 120 + 20(1+2+3+ldots+11) = 1,440 m$$
          The distance covered carrying the rocks on the right side is $$D_R = 20(1+2+3+ldots+12) = 1,560 m$$



          We see that $D_L+D_R = 3,000 m$.







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              Your error arises from assuming that the worker starts in the middle. It is more efficient to start at one end and carry rocks to the middle.



              Assume that there are $n$ rocks on each side of the middle rock. If the worker starts at the end, he has to carry that rock a distance of $10n~text{m}$. For the worker to move the $k$th rock on that side to the middle, where $1 leq k leq n - 1$, the worker must travel $10k~text{m}$ to the rock and carry the rock $10k~text{m}$ back to the middle. On the opposite side, the worker must travel $10k~text{m}$ to the rock, then carry the rock $10k~text{m}$ back to the middle, where $1 leq k leq n$. Since the worker travels a total of $3000~text{m}$,
              begin{align*}
              10n~text{m} + sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} 20k~text{m} + sum_{k = 1}^{n} 20k~text{m} & = 3000~text{m}\
              n + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n} k & = 300\
              n + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2n & = 300\
              3n + 4sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k & = 300\
              3n + 4 cdot frac{n(n - 1)}{2} & = 300\
              3n + 2n(n - 1) & = 300\
              2n^2 + n & = 300\
              2n^2 + n - 300 & = 0\
              2n^2 + 25n - 24n - 300 & = 0\
              n(2n + 25) - 12(2n + 25) & = 0\
              (n - 12)(2n + 25) & = 0
              end{align*}

              Hence, $n = 12$ or $n = -25/2$. Since we cannot have a negative number of rocks, there must be $12$ rocks on each side of the middle rock, so there are a total of $2 cdot 12 + 1 = 25$ rocks in the row.






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                Your error arises from assuming that the worker starts in the middle. It is more efficient to start at one end and carry rocks to the middle.



                Assume that there are $n$ rocks on each side of the middle rock. If the worker starts at the end, he has to carry that rock a distance of $10n~text{m}$. For the worker to move the $k$th rock on that side to the middle, where $1 leq k leq n - 1$, the worker must travel $10k~text{m}$ to the rock and carry the rock $10k~text{m}$ back to the middle. On the opposite side, the worker must travel $10k~text{m}$ to the rock, then carry the rock $10k~text{m}$ back to the middle, where $1 leq k leq n$. Since the worker travels a total of $3000~text{m}$,
                begin{align*}
                10n~text{m} + sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} 20k~text{m} + sum_{k = 1}^{n} 20k~text{m} & = 3000~text{m}\
                n + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n} k & = 300\
                n + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2n & = 300\
                3n + 4sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k & = 300\
                3n + 4 cdot frac{n(n - 1)}{2} & = 300\
                3n + 2n(n - 1) & = 300\
                2n^2 + n & = 300\
                2n^2 + n - 300 & = 0\
                2n^2 + 25n - 24n - 300 & = 0\
                n(2n + 25) - 12(2n + 25) & = 0\
                (n - 12)(2n + 25) & = 0
                end{align*}

                Hence, $n = 12$ or $n = -25/2$. Since we cannot have a negative number of rocks, there must be $12$ rocks on each side of the middle rock, so there are a total of $2 cdot 12 + 1 = 25$ rocks in the row.






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                  Your error arises from assuming that the worker starts in the middle. It is more efficient to start at one end and carry rocks to the middle.



                  Assume that there are $n$ rocks on each side of the middle rock. If the worker starts at the end, he has to carry that rock a distance of $10n~text{m}$. For the worker to move the $k$th rock on that side to the middle, where $1 leq k leq n - 1$, the worker must travel $10k~text{m}$ to the rock and carry the rock $10k~text{m}$ back to the middle. On the opposite side, the worker must travel $10k~text{m}$ to the rock, then carry the rock $10k~text{m}$ back to the middle, where $1 leq k leq n$. Since the worker travels a total of $3000~text{m}$,
                  begin{align*}
                  10n~text{m} + sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} 20k~text{m} + sum_{k = 1}^{n} 20k~text{m} & = 3000~text{m}\
                  n + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n} k & = 300\
                  n + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2n & = 300\
                  3n + 4sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k & = 300\
                  3n + 4 cdot frac{n(n - 1)}{2} & = 300\
                  3n + 2n(n - 1) & = 300\
                  2n^2 + n & = 300\
                  2n^2 + n - 300 & = 0\
                  2n^2 + 25n - 24n - 300 & = 0\
                  n(2n + 25) - 12(2n + 25) & = 0\
                  (n - 12)(2n + 25) & = 0
                  end{align*}

                  Hence, $n = 12$ or $n = -25/2$. Since we cannot have a negative number of rocks, there must be $12$ rocks on each side of the middle rock, so there are a total of $2 cdot 12 + 1 = 25$ rocks in the row.






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                  Your error arises from assuming that the worker starts in the middle. It is more efficient to start at one end and carry rocks to the middle.



                  Assume that there are $n$ rocks on each side of the middle rock. If the worker starts at the end, he has to carry that rock a distance of $10n~text{m}$. For the worker to move the $k$th rock on that side to the middle, where $1 leq k leq n - 1$, the worker must travel $10k~text{m}$ to the rock and carry the rock $10k~text{m}$ back to the middle. On the opposite side, the worker must travel $10k~text{m}$ to the rock, then carry the rock $10k~text{m}$ back to the middle, where $1 leq k leq n$. Since the worker travels a total of $3000~text{m}$,
                  begin{align*}
                  10n~text{m} + sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} 20k~text{m} + sum_{k = 1}^{n} 20k~text{m} & = 3000~text{m}\
                  n + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n} k & = 300\
                  n + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k + 2n & = 300\
                  3n + 4sum_{k = 1}^{n - 1} k & = 300\
                  3n + 4 cdot frac{n(n - 1)}{2} & = 300\
                  3n + 2n(n - 1) & = 300\
                  2n^2 + n & = 300\
                  2n^2 + n - 300 & = 0\
                  2n^2 + 25n - 24n - 300 & = 0\
                  n(2n + 25) - 12(2n + 25) & = 0\
                  (n - 12)(2n + 25) & = 0
                  end{align*}

                  Hence, $n = 12$ or $n = -25/2$. Since we cannot have a negative number of rocks, there must be $12$ rocks on each side of the middle rock, so there are a total of $2 cdot 12 + 1 = 25$ rocks in the row.







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