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Let $f:mathbb{C}rightarrow mathbb{C}$ be entire. Let $w_1,w_2$ be any two distinct complex numbers. Must there exist $cin overline{B_{|w_2-w_1|}(w_1)}$ such that $f'(c)=frac{f(w_2)-f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1}$ ?



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I have shown the folowing: Let $[w_1, w_2]$ be the line segment with endpoints $w_1,w_2$. Then there exists $c_1,c_2in [w_1,w_2]$ such that:
$$Re(f'(c_1))+Im(f'(c_2))i=frac{f(w_2)-f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1} ...(1)$$



I was wondering whether allowing $c_1,c_2$ to lie in $overline{B_{|w_2-w_1|}(w_1)}$ (instead of just the line segment joining $w_1,w_2$) enables us to choose $c_1,c_2$ such that $(1)$ holds and $c_1=c_2$.



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    No, $f(z) = e^z$, $w_2 = w_1 + 2pi i$ is the classical counterexample. You have the estimate, $lvert f(w_2) - f(w_1)rvert leqslant lvert w_2-w_1rvert cdot max { lvert f'(z)rvert : z in [w_1,w_2]}$, and the two point-form for real and imaginary part. That's it.
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    @DanielFischer I don't understand the part : "and the two point-form ..."
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    Your equation $(1)$ in the Note:.
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    @DanielFischer Ahhhhh :) Thanks a lot.
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Let $f:mathbb{C}rightarrow mathbb{C}$ be entire. Let $w_1,w_2$ be any two distinct complex numbers. Must there exist $cin overline{B_{|w_2-w_1|}(w_1)}$ such that $f'(c)=frac{f(w_2)-f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1}$ ?



Note:



I have shown the folowing: Let $[w_1, w_2]$ be the line segment with endpoints $w_1,w_2$. Then there exists $c_1,c_2in [w_1,w_2]$ such that:
$$Re(f'(c_1))+Im(f'(c_2))i=frac{f(w_2)-f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1} ...(1)$$



I was wondering whether allowing $c_1,c_2$ to lie in $overline{B_{|w_2-w_1|}(w_1)}$ (instead of just the line segment joining $w_1,w_2$) enables us to choose $c_1,c_2$ such that $(1)$ holds and $c_1=c_2$.



Thank you






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    No, $f(z) = e^z$, $w_2 = w_1 + 2pi i$ is the classical counterexample. You have the estimate, $lvert f(w_2) - f(w_1)rvert leqslant lvert w_2-w_1rvert cdot max { lvert f'(z)rvert : z in [w_1,w_2]}$, and the two point-form for real and imaginary part. That's it.
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    – Daniel Fischer♦
    Jan 10 '14 at 18:38










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    @DanielFischer I don't understand the part : "and the two point-form ..."
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    – Amr
    Jan 10 '14 at 18:43










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    Your equation $(1)$ in the Note:.
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    – Daniel Fischer♦
    Jan 10 '14 at 18:44










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    @DanielFischer Ahhhhh :) Thanks a lot.
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    – Amr
    Jan 10 '14 at 18:49














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Let $f:mathbb{C}rightarrow mathbb{C}$ be entire. Let $w_1,w_2$ be any two distinct complex numbers. Must there exist $cin overline{B_{|w_2-w_1|}(w_1)}$ such that $f'(c)=frac{f(w_2)-f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1}$ ?



Note:



I have shown the folowing: Let $[w_1, w_2]$ be the line segment with endpoints $w_1,w_2$. Then there exists $c_1,c_2in [w_1,w_2]$ such that:
$$Re(f'(c_1))+Im(f'(c_2))i=frac{f(w_2)-f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1} ...(1)$$



I was wondering whether allowing $c_1,c_2$ to lie in $overline{B_{|w_2-w_1|}(w_1)}$ (instead of just the line segment joining $w_1,w_2$) enables us to choose $c_1,c_2$ such that $(1)$ holds and $c_1=c_2$.



Thank you






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Let $f:mathbb{C}rightarrow mathbb{C}$ be entire. Let $w_1,w_2$ be any two distinct complex numbers. Must there exist $cin overline{B_{|w_2-w_1|}(w_1)}$ such that $f'(c)=frac{f(w_2)-f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1}$ ?



Note:



I have shown the folowing: Let $[w_1, w_2]$ be the line segment with endpoints $w_1,w_2$. Then there exists $c_1,c_2in [w_1,w_2]$ such that:
$$Re(f'(c_1))+Im(f'(c_2))i=frac{f(w_2)-f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1} ...(1)$$



I was wondering whether allowing $c_1,c_2$ to lie in $overline{B_{|w_2-w_1|}(w_1)}$ (instead of just the line segment joining $w_1,w_2$) enables us to choose $c_1,c_2$ such that $(1)$ holds and $c_1=c_2$.



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    No, $f(z) = e^z$, $w_2 = w_1 + 2pi i$ is the classical counterexample. You have the estimate, $lvert f(w_2) - f(w_1)rvert leqslant lvert w_2-w_1rvert cdot max { lvert f'(z)rvert : z in [w_1,w_2]}$, and the two point-form for real and imaginary part. That's it.
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    – Daniel Fischer♦
    Jan 10 '14 at 18:38










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    @DanielFischer I don't understand the part : "and the two point-form ..."
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    – Amr
    Jan 10 '14 at 18:43










  • $begingroup$
    Your equation $(1)$ in the Note:.
    $endgroup$
    – Daniel Fischer♦
    Jan 10 '14 at 18:44










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    @DanielFischer Ahhhhh :) Thanks a lot.
    $endgroup$
    – Amr
    Jan 10 '14 at 18:49














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    No, $f(z) = e^z$, $w_2 = w_1 + 2pi i$ is the classical counterexample. You have the estimate, $lvert f(w_2) - f(w_1)rvert leqslant lvert w_2-w_1rvert cdot max { lvert f'(z)rvert : z in [w_1,w_2]}$, and the two point-form for real and imaginary part. That's it.
    $endgroup$
    – Daniel Fischer♦
    Jan 10 '14 at 18:38










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    @DanielFischer I don't understand the part : "and the two point-form ..."
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    – Amr
    Jan 10 '14 at 18:43










  • $begingroup$
    Your equation $(1)$ in the Note:.
    $endgroup$
    – Daniel Fischer♦
    Jan 10 '14 at 18:44










  • $begingroup$
    @DanielFischer Ahhhhh :) Thanks a lot.
    $endgroup$
    – Amr
    Jan 10 '14 at 18:49








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No, $f(z) = e^z$, $w_2 = w_1 + 2pi i$ is the classical counterexample. You have the estimate, $lvert f(w_2) - f(w_1)rvert leqslant lvert w_2-w_1rvert cdot max { lvert f'(z)rvert : z in [w_1,w_2]}$, and the two point-form for real and imaginary part. That's it.
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– Daniel Fischer♦
Jan 10 '14 at 18:38




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No, $f(z) = e^z$, $w_2 = w_1 + 2pi i$ is the classical counterexample. You have the estimate, $lvert f(w_2) - f(w_1)rvert leqslant lvert w_2-w_1rvert cdot max { lvert f'(z)rvert : z in [w_1,w_2]}$, and the two point-form for real and imaginary part. That's it.
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– Daniel Fischer♦
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@DanielFischer I don't understand the part : "and the two point-form ..."
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– Amr
Jan 10 '14 at 18:43




$begingroup$
@DanielFischer I don't understand the part : "and the two point-form ..."
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– Amr
Jan 10 '14 at 18:43












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Your equation $(1)$ in the Note:.
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– Daniel Fischer♦
Jan 10 '14 at 18:44




$begingroup$
Your equation $(1)$ in the Note:.
$endgroup$
– Daniel Fischer♦
Jan 10 '14 at 18:44












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@DanielFischer Ahhhhh :) Thanks a lot.
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– Amr
Jan 10 '14 at 18:49




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@DanielFischer Ahhhhh :) Thanks a lot.
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No, in general such a $c$ does not exist. The classical counterexample is $f(z) = e^z$, with $w_2 = w_1 + 2pi i$. Then



$$frac{f(w_2) - f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1} = 0,$$



but $f'(c) neq 0$ for all $cinmathbb{C}$.



What you have in terms of the mean value theorem for holomorphic functions is the estimate



$$lvert f(w_2) - f(w_1)rvert leqslant lvert w_2-w_1rvertcdot max leftlbrace lvert f'(zeta)rvert : zeta in [w_1,w_2]rightrbrace,$$



and your equation $(1)$ with generally different points for the real and imaginary part.






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    No, in general such a $c$ does not exist. The classical counterexample is $f(z) = e^z$, with $w_2 = w_1 + 2pi i$. Then



    $$frac{f(w_2) - f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1} = 0,$$



    but $f'(c) neq 0$ for all $cinmathbb{C}$.



    What you have in terms of the mean value theorem for holomorphic functions is the estimate



    $$lvert f(w_2) - f(w_1)rvert leqslant lvert w_2-w_1rvertcdot max leftlbrace lvert f'(zeta)rvert : zeta in [w_1,w_2]rightrbrace,$$



    and your equation $(1)$ with generally different points for the real and imaginary part.






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      No, in general such a $c$ does not exist. The classical counterexample is $f(z) = e^z$, with $w_2 = w_1 + 2pi i$. Then



      $$frac{f(w_2) - f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1} = 0,$$



      but $f'(c) neq 0$ for all $cinmathbb{C}$.



      What you have in terms of the mean value theorem for holomorphic functions is the estimate



      $$lvert f(w_2) - f(w_1)rvert leqslant lvert w_2-w_1rvertcdot max leftlbrace lvert f'(zeta)rvert : zeta in [w_1,w_2]rightrbrace,$$



      and your equation $(1)$ with generally different points for the real and imaginary part.






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        No, in general such a $c$ does not exist. The classical counterexample is $f(z) = e^z$, with $w_2 = w_1 + 2pi i$. Then



        $$frac{f(w_2) - f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1} = 0,$$



        but $f'(c) neq 0$ for all $cinmathbb{C}$.



        What you have in terms of the mean value theorem for holomorphic functions is the estimate



        $$lvert f(w_2) - f(w_1)rvert leqslant lvert w_2-w_1rvertcdot max leftlbrace lvert f'(zeta)rvert : zeta in [w_1,w_2]rightrbrace,$$



        and your equation $(1)$ with generally different points for the real and imaginary part.






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        No, in general such a $c$ does not exist. The classical counterexample is $f(z) = e^z$, with $w_2 = w_1 + 2pi i$. Then



        $$frac{f(w_2) - f(w_1)}{w_2-w_1} = 0,$$



        but $f'(c) neq 0$ for all $cinmathbb{C}$.



        What you have in terms of the mean value theorem for holomorphic functions is the estimate



        $$lvert f(w_2) - f(w_1)rvert leqslant lvert w_2-w_1rvertcdot max leftlbrace lvert f'(zeta)rvert : zeta in [w_1,w_2]rightrbrace,$$



        and your equation $(1)$ with generally different points for the real and imaginary part.







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