Would Hex disadvantage non-proficient skill checks made with the associated attribute?
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If Hex causes "disadvantage on ability checks made with the chosen ability", and non-proficient skill checks are effectively just an ability check with no prof bonus added, would those checks be at disadvantage?
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If Hex causes "disadvantage on ability checks made with the chosen ability", and non-proficient skill checks are effectively just an ability check with no prof bonus added, would those checks be at disadvantage?
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What skill checks? This isn't 3.5e. If you could review chapter 7 of the basic rules and revise this question that would be great.
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– KorvinStarmast
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I'm rolling back the recent edit, because the OP's confusion in that regard seems to be the basis of their misunderstanding/confusion regarding the spell.
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If Hex causes "disadvantage on ability checks made with the chosen ability", and non-proficient skill checks are effectively just an ability check with no prof bonus added, would those checks be at disadvantage?
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edited Jan 17 at 23:08
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If Hex causes "disadvantage on ability checks made with the chosen ability", and non-proficient skill checks are effectively just an ability check with no prof bonus added, would those checks be at disadvantage?
dnd-5e spells warlock
dnd-5e spells warlock
edited Jan 17 at 23:08
V2Blast
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asked Dec 11 '18 at 21:38
K.L.R.K.L.R.
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edited Jan 17 at 23:08
V2Blast
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asked Dec 11 '18 at 21:38
K.L.R.K.L.R.
1,76121847
edited Jan 17 at 23:08
V2Blast
23.1k374145
edited Jan 17 at 23:08
V2Blast
23.1k374145
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V2Blast
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asked Dec 11 '18 at 21:38
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What skill checks? This isn't 3.5e. If you could review chapter 7 of the basic rules and revise this question that would be great.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 11 '18 at 22:18
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I'm rolling back the recent edit, because the OP's confusion in that regard seems to be the basis of their misunderstanding/confusion regarding the spell.
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– V2Blast
Jan 17 at 23:09
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What skill checks? This isn't 3.5e. If you could review chapter 7 of the basic rules and revise this question that would be great.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 11 '18 at 22:18
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I'm rolling back the recent edit, because the OP's confusion in that regard seems to be the basis of their misunderstanding/confusion regarding the spell.
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– V2Blast
Jan 17 at 23:09
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What skill checks? This isn't 3.5e. If you could review chapter 7 of the basic rules and revise this question that would be great.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 11 '18 at 22:18
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What skill checks? This isn't 3.5e. If you could review chapter 7 of the basic rules and revise this question that would be great.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 11 '18 at 22:18
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I'm rolling back the recent edit, because the OP's confusion in that regard seems to be the basis of their misunderstanding/confusion regarding the spell.
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– V2Blast
Jan 17 at 23:09
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I'm rolling back the recent edit, because the OP's confusion in that regard seems to be the basis of their misunderstanding/confusion regarding the spell.
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Yes, because skill checks are ability checks, proficient or not
You seem to have mistakenly assumed a mechanical difference between a "skill check" and an "ability check" - but understandably so, as in previous editions there was a meaningful difference between the terms. In 5e, all skill checks are ability checks, as per the basic rules (emphasis mine):
Sometimes, the DM might ask for an ability check using a specific skill--for example, “Make a Wisdom (Perception) check.” At other times, a player might ask the DM if proficiency in a particular skill applies to a check. In either case, proficiency in a skill means an individual can add his or her proficiency bonus to ability checks that involve that skill. Without proficiency in the skill, the individual makes a normal ability check.
Proficiency in a skill allows you add your proficiency bonus to relevant ability checks, but doesn't stop them being ability checks. Hex would cause disadvantage on all ability checks involving the targeted ability, whether skill proficiency applies or not.
An important distinction to keep in mind when adjudicating Hex is that attack rolls and saving throws are not ability checks. People usually remember that attack rolls are their own thing, but it's a common misconception that a saving throw is a kind of ability check; however, attack rolls, saving throws, and ability checks are each mechanically distinct kinds of roll, and Hex doesn't hinder a creature's saving throws.
answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:43
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Absolutely correct. Everyone, repeat after me, "There is no such thing as a skill check." :-)
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– Greenstone Walker
Dec 11 '18 at 21:52
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I think there is also a lot of confusion between an "ability check" and a "saving throw". Saving throws are, "an attempt to resist a spell, a trap, a poison, a disease, or a similar threat. You don't normally decide to make a saving throw; you are forced to make one because your character or monster is at risk of harm." Whereas a skill check, "represents a specific aspect of an ability score, and an individual's proficiency in a skill demonstrates a focus on that aspect." Hex only effects skill checks, whereas combat spells call for saving throws.
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Hex causes the chosen ability's checks to be made with Disadvantage, irrespective of whether the target has proficiency (or expertise!) in a skill with said ability or not. So you don't need to take proficiency into account for this effect.
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Yes, because skill checks are ability checks, proficient or not
You seem to have mistakenly assumed a mechanical difference between a "skill check" and an "ability check" - but understandably so, as in previous editions there was a meaningful difference between the terms. In 5e, all skill checks are ability checks, as per the basic rules (emphasis mine):
Sometimes, the DM might ask for an ability check using a specific skill--for example, “Make a Wisdom (Perception) check.” At other times, a player might ask the DM if proficiency in a particular skill applies to a check. In either case, proficiency in a skill means an individual can add his or her proficiency bonus to ability checks that involve that skill. Without proficiency in the skill, the individual makes a normal ability check.
Proficiency in a skill allows you add your proficiency bonus to relevant ability checks, but doesn't stop them being ability checks. Hex would cause disadvantage on all ability checks involving the targeted ability, whether skill proficiency applies or not.
An important distinction to keep in mind when adjudicating Hex is that attack rolls and saving throws are not ability checks. People usually remember that attack rolls are their own thing, but it's a common misconception that a saving throw is a kind of ability check; however, attack rolls, saving throws, and ability checks are each mechanically distinct kinds of roll, and Hex doesn't hinder a creature's saving throws.
answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:43
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Absolutely correct. Everyone, repeat after me, "There is no such thing as a skill check." :-)
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– Greenstone Walker
Dec 11 '18 at 21:52
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I think there is also a lot of confusion between an "ability check" and a "saving throw". Saving throws are, "an attempt to resist a spell, a trap, a poison, a disease, or a similar threat. You don't normally decide to make a saving throw; you are forced to make one because your character or monster is at risk of harm." Whereas a skill check, "represents a specific aspect of an ability score, and an individual's proficiency in a skill demonstrates a focus on that aspect." Hex only effects skill checks, whereas combat spells call for saving throws.
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– MivaScott
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Yes, because skill checks are ability checks, proficient or not
You seem to have mistakenly assumed a mechanical difference between a "skill check" and an "ability check" - but understandably so, as in previous editions there was a meaningful difference between the terms. In 5e, all skill checks are ability checks, as per the basic rules (emphasis mine):
Sometimes, the DM might ask for an ability check using a specific skill--for example, “Make a Wisdom (Perception) check.” At other times, a player might ask the DM if proficiency in a particular skill applies to a check. In either case, proficiency in a skill means an individual can add his or her proficiency bonus to ability checks that involve that skill. Without proficiency in the skill, the individual makes a normal ability check.
Proficiency in a skill allows you add your proficiency bonus to relevant ability checks, but doesn't stop them being ability checks. Hex would cause disadvantage on all ability checks involving the targeted ability, whether skill proficiency applies or not.
An important distinction to keep in mind when adjudicating Hex is that attack rolls and saving throws are not ability checks. People usually remember that attack rolls are their own thing, but it's a common misconception that a saving throw is a kind of ability check; however, attack rolls, saving throws, and ability checks are each mechanically distinct kinds of roll, and Hex doesn't hinder a creature's saving throws.
answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:43
CarcerCarcer
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Absolutely correct. Everyone, repeat after me, "There is no such thing as a skill check." :-)
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– Greenstone Walker
Dec 11 '18 at 21:52
3
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I think there is also a lot of confusion between an "ability check" and a "saving throw". Saving throws are, "an attempt to resist a spell, a trap, a poison, a disease, or a similar threat. You don't normally decide to make a saving throw; you are forced to make one because your character or monster is at risk of harm." Whereas a skill check, "represents a specific aspect of an ability score, and an individual's proficiency in a skill demonstrates a focus on that aspect." Hex only effects skill checks, whereas combat spells call for saving throws.
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– MivaScott
Dec 11 '18 at 23:24
add a comment |
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Yes, because skill checks are ability checks, proficient or not
You seem to have mistakenly assumed a mechanical difference between a "skill check" and an "ability check" - but understandably so, as in previous editions there was a meaningful difference between the terms. In 5e, all skill checks are ability checks, as per the basic rules (emphasis mine):
Sometimes, the DM might ask for an ability check using a specific skill--for example, “Make a Wisdom (Perception) check.” At other times, a player might ask the DM if proficiency in a particular skill applies to a check. In either case, proficiency in a skill means an individual can add his or her proficiency bonus to ability checks that involve that skill. Without proficiency in the skill, the individual makes a normal ability check.
Proficiency in a skill allows you add your proficiency bonus to relevant ability checks, but doesn't stop them being ability checks. Hex would cause disadvantage on all ability checks involving the targeted ability, whether skill proficiency applies or not.
An important distinction to keep in mind when adjudicating Hex is that attack rolls and saving throws are not ability checks. People usually remember that attack rolls are their own thing, but it's a common misconception that a saving throw is a kind of ability check; however, attack rolls, saving throws, and ability checks are each mechanically distinct kinds of roll, and Hex doesn't hinder a creature's saving throws.
answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:43
CarcerCarcer
24.3k471129
$endgroup$
Yes, because skill checks are ability checks, proficient or not
You seem to have mistakenly assumed a mechanical difference between a "skill check" and an "ability check" - but understandably so, as in previous editions there was a meaningful difference between the terms. In 5e, all skill checks are ability checks, as per the basic rules (emphasis mine):
Sometimes, the DM might ask for an ability check using a specific skill--for example, “Make a Wisdom (Perception) check.” At other times, a player might ask the DM if proficiency in a particular skill applies to a check. In either case, proficiency in a skill means an individual can add his or her proficiency bonus to ability checks that involve that skill. Without proficiency in the skill, the individual makes a normal ability check.
Proficiency in a skill allows you add your proficiency bonus to relevant ability checks, but doesn't stop them being ability checks. Hex would cause disadvantage on all ability checks involving the targeted ability, whether skill proficiency applies or not.
An important distinction to keep in mind when adjudicating Hex is that attack rolls and saving throws are not ability checks. People usually remember that attack rolls are their own thing, but it's a common misconception that a saving throw is a kind of ability check; however, attack rolls, saving throws, and ability checks are each mechanically distinct kinds of roll, and Hex doesn't hinder a creature's saving throws.
answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:43
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answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:43
CarcerCarcer
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answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:43
CarcerCarcer
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answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:43
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Absolutely correct. Everyone, repeat after me, "There is no such thing as a skill check." :-)
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– Greenstone Walker
Dec 11 '18 at 21:52
3
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I think there is also a lot of confusion between an "ability check" and a "saving throw". Saving throws are, "an attempt to resist a spell, a trap, a poison, a disease, or a similar threat. You don't normally decide to make a saving throw; you are forced to make one because your character or monster is at risk of harm." Whereas a skill check, "represents a specific aspect of an ability score, and an individual's proficiency in a skill demonstrates a focus on that aspect." Hex only effects skill checks, whereas combat spells call for saving throws.
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– MivaScott
Dec 11 '18 at 23:24
add a comment |
8
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Absolutely correct. Everyone, repeat after me, "There is no such thing as a skill check." :-)
$endgroup$
– Greenstone Walker
Dec 11 '18 at 21:52
3
$begingroup$
I think there is also a lot of confusion between an "ability check" and a "saving throw". Saving throws are, "an attempt to resist a spell, a trap, a poison, a disease, or a similar threat. You don't normally decide to make a saving throw; you are forced to make one because your character or monster is at risk of harm." Whereas a skill check, "represents a specific aspect of an ability score, and an individual's proficiency in a skill demonstrates a focus on that aspect." Hex only effects skill checks, whereas combat spells call for saving throws.
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– MivaScott
Dec 11 '18 at 23:24
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8
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Absolutely correct. Everyone, repeat after me, "There is no such thing as a skill check." :-)
$endgroup$
– Greenstone Walker
Dec 11 '18 at 21:52
$begingroup$
Absolutely correct. Everyone, repeat after me, "There is no such thing as a skill check." :-)
$endgroup$
– Greenstone Walker
Dec 11 '18 at 21:52
3
3
$begingroup$
I think there is also a lot of confusion between an "ability check" and a "saving throw". Saving throws are, "an attempt to resist a spell, a trap, a poison, a disease, or a similar threat. You don't normally decide to make a saving throw; you are forced to make one because your character or monster is at risk of harm." Whereas a skill check, "represents a specific aspect of an ability score, and an individual's proficiency in a skill demonstrates a focus on that aspect." Hex only effects skill checks, whereas combat spells call for saving throws.
$endgroup$
– MivaScott
Dec 11 '18 at 23:24
$begingroup$
I think there is also a lot of confusion between an "ability check" and a "saving throw". Saving throws are, "an attempt to resist a spell, a trap, a poison, a disease, or a similar threat. You don't normally decide to make a saving throw; you are forced to make one because your character or monster is at risk of harm." Whereas a skill check, "represents a specific aspect of an ability score, and an individual's proficiency in a skill demonstrates a focus on that aspect." Hex only effects skill checks, whereas combat spells call for saving throws.
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– MivaScott
Dec 11 '18 at 23:24
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Hex causes the chosen ability's checks to be made with Disadvantage, irrespective of whether the target has proficiency (or expertise!) in a skill with said ability or not. So you don't need to take proficiency into account for this effect.
answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:41
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Hex causes the chosen ability's checks to be made with Disadvantage, irrespective of whether the target has proficiency (or expertise!) in a skill with said ability or not. So you don't need to take proficiency into account for this effect.
answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:41
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Hex causes the chosen ability's checks to be made with Disadvantage, irrespective of whether the target has proficiency (or expertise!) in a skill with said ability or not. So you don't need to take proficiency into account for this effect.
answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:41
XiremaXirema
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Hex causes the chosen ability's checks to be made with Disadvantage, irrespective of whether the target has proficiency (or expertise!) in a skill with said ability or not. So you don't need to take proficiency into account for this effect.
answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:41
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answered Dec 11 '18 at 21:41
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I'm rolling back the recent edit, because the OP's confusion in that regard seems to be the basis of their misunderstanding/confusion regarding the spell.
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