All norms defined on a finite dimensional normed linear space are equivalent
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Given that $E$ is a finite dimensional normed linear space. Let $dim E=ngeq 1$ and ${e_i}^{n}_{i=1}$ be a basis for $E.$ Then, there exists unique scalars ${alpha_i}^{n}_{i=1}$ such that
begin{align}x=sum_{i=1}^{n}alpha_i e_i.end{align}
PROOF
I proved here Prove that $| cdot |_0$ defined by $| x |_0=maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|$ is a norm on $E$. that $| cdot |_0$ defined by $| x |_0=maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|$ is a norm on $E$. So, the next thing to do, is to prove that any norm $| cdot |$ defined on $E,$ is equivalent to $| cdot |_0$.
So, for any $xin E,$
begin{align}|x|=|sum_{i=1}^{n}alpha_i e_i|leq maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|big|sum_{i=1}^{n}e_ibig| leq maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|sum_{i=1}^{n}big|e_ibig|=beta| x |_0,end{align}
where $beta:=sum_{i=1}^{n}big|e_ibig|.$ Now, define $S={xin E: | x |_0=1}.$ Clearly, $S$ is compact. Let
begin{align}psi:(E&,| cdot |_0)longrightarrow Bbb{R},\& xmapsto psi(x)=|x|end{align}
Let $epsilon>0$ and $ x,yin E$ be arbitrary such that $BigVert x-yBigVert_0<delta,$ then
begin{align}left|psileft(x right)-psileft(y right)right|&=left|Vert xVert-BigVert y BigVertright| \&leq BigVert x-yBigVert \&leq beta,BigVert x-yBigVert_0 \&<beta delta. end{align}
So, given any $epsilon>0$, choose $delta=dfrac{epsilon}{beta+1}>0,$ then
begin{align}left|psileft(x right)-psileft(y right)right|&<beta delta=betaleft(frac{epsilon}{beta+1}right)<epsilon. end{align}
Thus, $psi$ is uniformly continuous on $E$ and is automatically continuous on $E$. Since $Ssubseteq E$, then $psi$ is continuous on $S$, and the minimum is attained in the set, i.e. there exists $t_0in S$ such that $psi(t_0)=minlimits_{tin S} psi(t)$ and begin{align}0<psi(t_0)leq psi(t)=|t|,;;tin S.end{align}
Let $u=frac{x}{| x|_0}$, then $uin S$ and begin{align}gammaleq psi(u)=Big|frac{x}{| x|_0}Big|implies gamma | x|_0leq | x|,;;gamma:=psi(t_0).end{align}
Finally, we have begin{align}gammaleq psi(t)=Big|frac{x}{| x|_0}Big|implies gamma | x|_0leq | x|leq beta| x |_0, ;;text{for some} ;;gamma,beta>0.end{align}
Therefore, any norm $| cdot |$ defined on $E,$ is equivalent to $| cdot |_0$ and we are done!
Kindly help check if the proof is correct.
QUESTION:
What gives the assurance that $psi(t_0)>0?$
linear-algebra functional-analysis proof-verification normed-spaces
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Given that $E$ is a finite dimensional normed linear space. Let $dim E=ngeq 1$ and ${e_i}^{n}_{i=1}$ be a basis for $E.$ Then, there exists unique scalars ${alpha_i}^{n}_{i=1}$ such that
begin{align}x=sum_{i=1}^{n}alpha_i e_i.end{align}
PROOF
I proved here Prove that $| cdot |_0$ defined by $| x |_0=maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|$ is a norm on $E$. that $| cdot |_0$ defined by $| x |_0=maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|$ is a norm on $E$. So, the next thing to do, is to prove that any norm $| cdot |$ defined on $E,$ is equivalent to $| cdot |_0$.
So, for any $xin E,$
begin{align}|x|=|sum_{i=1}^{n}alpha_i e_i|leq maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|big|sum_{i=1}^{n}e_ibig| leq maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|sum_{i=1}^{n}big|e_ibig|=beta| x |_0,end{align}
where $beta:=sum_{i=1}^{n}big|e_ibig|.$ Now, define $S={xin E: | x |_0=1}.$ Clearly, $S$ is compact. Let
begin{align}psi:(E&,| cdot |_0)longrightarrow Bbb{R},\& xmapsto psi(x)=|x|end{align}
Let $epsilon>0$ and $ x,yin E$ be arbitrary such that $BigVert x-yBigVert_0<delta,$ then
begin{align}left|psileft(x right)-psileft(y right)right|&=left|Vert xVert-BigVert y BigVertright| \&leq BigVert x-yBigVert \&leq beta,BigVert x-yBigVert_0 \&<beta delta. end{align}
So, given any $epsilon>0$, choose $delta=dfrac{epsilon}{beta+1}>0,$ then
begin{align}left|psileft(x right)-psileft(y right)right|&<beta delta=betaleft(frac{epsilon}{beta+1}right)<epsilon. end{align}
Thus, $psi$ is uniformly continuous on $E$ and is automatically continuous on $E$. Since $Ssubseteq E$, then $psi$ is continuous on $S$, and the minimum is attained in the set, i.e. there exists $t_0in S$ such that $psi(t_0)=minlimits_{tin S} psi(t)$ and begin{align}0<psi(t_0)leq psi(t)=|t|,;;tin S.end{align}
Let $u=frac{x}{| x|_0}$, then $uin S$ and begin{align}gammaleq psi(u)=Big|frac{x}{| x|_0}Big|implies gamma | x|_0leq | x|,;;gamma:=psi(t_0).end{align}
Finally, we have begin{align}gammaleq psi(t)=Big|frac{x}{| x|_0}Big|implies gamma | x|_0leq | x|leq beta| x |_0, ;;text{for some} ;;gamma,beta>0.end{align}
Therefore, any norm $| cdot |$ defined on $E,$ is equivalent to $| cdot |_0$ and we are done!
Kindly help check if the proof is correct.
QUESTION:
What gives the assurance that $psi(t_0)>0?$
linear-algebra functional-analysis proof-verification normed-spaces
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You say, "Clearly $S$ is compact." Compact with respect to which topology? You have two norms whose topologies you may not assume coincide. Also, I'm not certain compactness is that self-evident!
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– Theo Bendit
Dec 26 '18 at 21:48
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@Theo Bendit: I made such a claim since it is closed and bounded.
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Given that $E$ is a finite dimensional normed linear space. Let $dim E=ngeq 1$ and ${e_i}^{n}_{i=1}$ be a basis for $E.$ Then, there exists unique scalars ${alpha_i}^{n}_{i=1}$ such that
begin{align}x=sum_{i=1}^{n}alpha_i e_i.end{align}
PROOF
I proved here Prove that $| cdot |_0$ defined by $| x |_0=maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|$ is a norm on $E$. that $| cdot |_0$ defined by $| x |_0=maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|$ is a norm on $E$. So, the next thing to do, is to prove that any norm $| cdot |$ defined on $E,$ is equivalent to $| cdot |_0$.
So, for any $xin E,$
begin{align}|x|=|sum_{i=1}^{n}alpha_i e_i|leq maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|big|sum_{i=1}^{n}e_ibig| leq maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|sum_{i=1}^{n}big|e_ibig|=beta| x |_0,end{align}
where $beta:=sum_{i=1}^{n}big|e_ibig|.$ Now, define $S={xin E: | x |_0=1}.$ Clearly, $S$ is compact. Let
begin{align}psi:(E&,| cdot |_0)longrightarrow Bbb{R},\& xmapsto psi(x)=|x|end{align}
Let $epsilon>0$ and $ x,yin E$ be arbitrary such that $BigVert x-yBigVert_0<delta,$ then
begin{align}left|psileft(x right)-psileft(y right)right|&=left|Vert xVert-BigVert y BigVertright| \&leq BigVert x-yBigVert \&leq beta,BigVert x-yBigVert_0 \&<beta delta. end{align}
So, given any $epsilon>0$, choose $delta=dfrac{epsilon}{beta+1}>0,$ then
begin{align}left|psileft(x right)-psileft(y right)right|&<beta delta=betaleft(frac{epsilon}{beta+1}right)<epsilon. end{align}
Thus, $psi$ is uniformly continuous on $E$ and is automatically continuous on $E$. Since $Ssubseteq E$, then $psi$ is continuous on $S$, and the minimum is attained in the set, i.e. there exists $t_0in S$ such that $psi(t_0)=minlimits_{tin S} psi(t)$ and begin{align}0<psi(t_0)leq psi(t)=|t|,;;tin S.end{align}
Let $u=frac{x}{| x|_0}$, then $uin S$ and begin{align}gammaleq psi(u)=Big|frac{x}{| x|_0}Big|implies gamma | x|_0leq | x|,;;gamma:=psi(t_0).end{align}
Finally, we have begin{align}gammaleq psi(t)=Big|frac{x}{| x|_0}Big|implies gamma | x|_0leq | x|leq beta| x |_0, ;;text{for some} ;;gamma,beta>0.end{align}
Therefore, any norm $| cdot |$ defined on $E,$ is equivalent to $| cdot |_0$ and we are done!
Kindly help check if the proof is correct.
QUESTION:
What gives the assurance that $psi(t_0)>0?$
linear-algebra functional-analysis proof-verification normed-spaces
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Given that $E$ is a finite dimensional normed linear space. Let $dim E=ngeq 1$ and ${e_i}^{n}_{i=1}$ be a basis for $E.$ Then, there exists unique scalars ${alpha_i}^{n}_{i=1}$ such that
begin{align}x=sum_{i=1}^{n}alpha_i e_i.end{align}
PROOF
I proved here Prove that $| cdot |_0$ defined by $| x |_0=maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|$ is a norm on $E$. that $| cdot |_0$ defined by $| x |_0=maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|$ is a norm on $E$. So, the next thing to do, is to prove that any norm $| cdot |$ defined on $E,$ is equivalent to $| cdot |_0$.
So, for any $xin E,$
begin{align}|x|=|sum_{i=1}^{n}alpha_i e_i|leq maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|big|sum_{i=1}^{n}e_ibig| leq maxlimits_{1leq ileq n}|alpha_i|sum_{i=1}^{n}big|e_ibig|=beta| x |_0,end{align}
where $beta:=sum_{i=1}^{n}big|e_ibig|.$ Now, define $S={xin E: | x |_0=1}.$ Clearly, $S$ is compact. Let
begin{align}psi:(E&,| cdot |_0)longrightarrow Bbb{R},\& xmapsto psi(x)=|x|end{align}
Let $epsilon>0$ and $ x,yin E$ be arbitrary such that $BigVert x-yBigVert_0<delta,$ then
begin{align}left|psileft(x right)-psileft(y right)right|&=left|Vert xVert-BigVert y BigVertright| \&leq BigVert x-yBigVert \&leq beta,BigVert x-yBigVert_0 \&<beta delta. end{align}
So, given any $epsilon>0$, choose $delta=dfrac{epsilon}{beta+1}>0,$ then
begin{align}left|psileft(x right)-psileft(y right)right|&<beta delta=betaleft(frac{epsilon}{beta+1}right)<epsilon. end{align}
Thus, $psi$ is uniformly continuous on $E$ and is automatically continuous on $E$. Since $Ssubseteq E$, then $psi$ is continuous on $S$, and the minimum is attained in the set, i.e. there exists $t_0in S$ such that $psi(t_0)=minlimits_{tin S} psi(t)$ and begin{align}0<psi(t_0)leq psi(t)=|t|,;;tin S.end{align}
Let $u=frac{x}{| x|_0}$, then $uin S$ and begin{align}gammaleq psi(u)=Big|frac{x}{| x|_0}Big|implies gamma | x|_0leq | x|,;;gamma:=psi(t_0).end{align}
Finally, we have begin{align}gammaleq psi(t)=Big|frac{x}{| x|_0}Big|implies gamma | x|_0leq | x|leq beta| x |_0, ;;text{for some} ;;gamma,beta>0.end{align}
Therefore, any norm $| cdot |$ defined on $E,$ is equivalent to $| cdot |_0$ and we are done!
Kindly help check if the proof is correct.
QUESTION:
What gives the assurance that $psi(t_0)>0?$
linear-algebra functional-analysis proof-verification normed-spaces
linear-algebra functional-analysis proof-verification normed-spaces
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You say, "Clearly $S$ is compact." Compact with respect to which topology? You have two norms whose topologies you may not assume coincide. Also, I'm not certain compactness is that self-evident!
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– Theo Bendit
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@Theo Bendit: I made such a claim since it is closed and bounded.
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You say, "Clearly $S$ is compact." Compact with respect to which topology? You have two norms whose topologies you may not assume coincide. Also, I'm not certain compactness is that self-evident!
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– Theo Bendit
Dec 26 '18 at 21:48
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@Theo Bendit: I made such a claim since it is closed and bounded.
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– Omojola Micheal
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You say, "Clearly $S$ is compact." Compact with respect to which topology? You have two norms whose topologies you may not assume coincide. Also, I'm not certain compactness is that self-evident!
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– Theo Bendit
Dec 26 '18 at 21:48
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You say, "Clearly $S$ is compact." Compact with respect to which topology? You have two norms whose topologies you may not assume coincide. Also, I'm not certain compactness is that self-evident!
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– Theo Bendit
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@Theo Bendit: I made such a claim since it is closed and bounded.
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:49
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@Theo Bendit: I made such a claim since it is closed and bounded.
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The key of the argument is the fact that $S$ is compact, and you are glossing over that. It's not very hard, but it is not the right part of the proof to say "clearly": it's precisely the part of the proof where you have to use that $E$ is finite-dimensional.
Once you know that $S$ is compact, you are done. You have already proven that $psi$ is uniformly continuous, as your argument started with $psi(x)leqbeta|x|_0$. And you don't even need uniform continuity, which is automatic for a continuous function on a compact set. Once you know that $S$ is compact and $psi$ is continuous, it is standard that it attains a max and a min on $S$, and you are done.
Finally, your (unneeded) argument to show that $psi$ is uniformly continuous starts by saying that $x/|x-y|_0in S$, which is not the case. And the argument cannot be right because it doesn't use that $S$ is compact, so it doesn't use that $E$ is finite-dimensional; nor it uses what $|cdot|_0$ is (which you did use in your original proof of $psi(x)leqbeta|x|$): it is a "proof" that any two norms on a vector space are comparable, something that is not true.
Finally, you have $psi(t_0)>0$ because $psi$ is a norm; since $t_0in S$, you have $|t_0|_0=1$, so $t_0ne0$ and then $psi(t_0)>0$.
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+1) Thank you for your critical examination of the proof. Can you please, tell me where the proof is faulty? Or can you provide one?
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– Omojola Micheal
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The argument is faulty because you cannot say that $x/|x-y|_0in S$; these elements can be unbounded in general and your argument does not apply. And I don't need to provide a proof, because you already did.You need to erase from "We claim" all the way until "Thus", as none of that is needed. As I mentioned, $psi$ is continuous by your first estimate, and that together with the compactness of $S$ gives you the minimum you need.
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Thanks and let me do that right away!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:34
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Can you please, check now?
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:45
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Looks ok now. I also added the explanation why $psi(t_0)>0$.
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Since the minimum is attained in the set $S$, it's pretty straightforward. Recall that $S$ is defined as :
$$S = {x in E : |x|_0 = 1}$$
You defined $psi(t)$ as :
$$begin{align}psi:(E&,| cdot |_0)longrightarrow Bbb{R},\& xmapsto psi(x)=|x|end{align}$$
But, note that for any norm, it is :
$$|x| = 0 Leftrightarrow x = 0$$
The importance of $Leftrightarrow$ as an if and only if operator is noted here.
Specifically, it is : $psi(t_0) = |t_0|$ with $t_0 in S$. But $|t_0|_0 = 1 > 0 Leftrightarrow t_0 > 0 Leftrightarrow |t_0| equiv psi(t_0) >0$.
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Thanks for that clarification! Kindly check the proof if correct.
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– Omojola Micheal
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@Mike Seems okay.
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:44
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Thanks a lot! I am grateful!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:45
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@Mike Always happy to help. Merry Christmas !
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:46
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Same, same here! Goodbye!
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We know that if and only if $||x||=0$ then $x=0$. And we know the same for $||x||_0$.
Since $||t_0||_0=1$ we get that $||t_0||neq 0$. And since $||x||geq0$ we get positivity of $||t_0||=psi(t_0)$
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Thanks a lot! I really appreciate you!
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The key of the argument is the fact that $S$ is compact, and you are glossing over that. It's not very hard, but it is not the right part of the proof to say "clearly": it's precisely the part of the proof where you have to use that $E$ is finite-dimensional.
Once you know that $S$ is compact, you are done. You have already proven that $psi$ is uniformly continuous, as your argument started with $psi(x)leqbeta|x|_0$. And you don't even need uniform continuity, which is automatic for a continuous function on a compact set. Once you know that $S$ is compact and $psi$ is continuous, it is standard that it attains a max and a min on $S$, and you are done.
Finally, your (unneeded) argument to show that $psi$ is uniformly continuous starts by saying that $x/|x-y|_0in S$, which is not the case. And the argument cannot be right because it doesn't use that $S$ is compact, so it doesn't use that $E$ is finite-dimensional; nor it uses what $|cdot|_0$ is (which you did use in your original proof of $psi(x)leqbeta|x|$): it is a "proof" that any two norms on a vector space are comparable, something that is not true.
Finally, you have $psi(t_0)>0$ because $psi$ is a norm; since $t_0in S$, you have $|t_0|_0=1$, so $t_0ne0$ and then $psi(t_0)>0$.
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+1) Thank you for your critical examination of the proof. Can you please, tell me where the proof is faulty? Or can you provide one?
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:21
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The argument is faulty because you cannot say that $x/|x-y|_0in S$; these elements can be unbounded in general and your argument does not apply. And I don't need to provide a proof, because you already did.You need to erase from "We claim" all the way until "Thus", as none of that is needed. As I mentioned, $psi$ is continuous by your first estimate, and that together with the compactness of $S$ gives you the minimum you need.
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– Martin Argerami
Dec 27 '18 at 16:29
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Thanks and let me do that right away!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:34
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Can you please, check now?
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:45
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Looks ok now. I also added the explanation why $psi(t_0)>0$.
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– Martin Argerami
Dec 27 '18 at 17:50
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The key of the argument is the fact that $S$ is compact, and you are glossing over that. It's not very hard, but it is not the right part of the proof to say "clearly": it's precisely the part of the proof where you have to use that $E$ is finite-dimensional.
Once you know that $S$ is compact, you are done. You have already proven that $psi$ is uniformly continuous, as your argument started with $psi(x)leqbeta|x|_0$. And you don't even need uniform continuity, which is automatic for a continuous function on a compact set. Once you know that $S$ is compact and $psi$ is continuous, it is standard that it attains a max and a min on $S$, and you are done.
Finally, your (unneeded) argument to show that $psi$ is uniformly continuous starts by saying that $x/|x-y|_0in S$, which is not the case. And the argument cannot be right because it doesn't use that $S$ is compact, so it doesn't use that $E$ is finite-dimensional; nor it uses what $|cdot|_0$ is (which you did use in your original proof of $psi(x)leqbeta|x|$): it is a "proof" that any two norms on a vector space are comparable, something that is not true.
Finally, you have $psi(t_0)>0$ because $psi$ is a norm; since $t_0in S$, you have $|t_0|_0=1$, so $t_0ne0$ and then $psi(t_0)>0$.
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+1) Thank you for your critical examination of the proof. Can you please, tell me where the proof is faulty? Or can you provide one?
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:21
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The argument is faulty because you cannot say that $x/|x-y|_0in S$; these elements can be unbounded in general and your argument does not apply. And I don't need to provide a proof, because you already did.You need to erase from "We claim" all the way until "Thus", as none of that is needed. As I mentioned, $psi$ is continuous by your first estimate, and that together with the compactness of $S$ gives you the minimum you need.
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– Martin Argerami
Dec 27 '18 at 16:29
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Thanks and let me do that right away!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:34
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Can you please, check now?
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:45
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Looks ok now. I also added the explanation why $psi(t_0)>0$.
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– Martin Argerami
Dec 27 '18 at 17:50
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The key of the argument is the fact that $S$ is compact, and you are glossing over that. It's not very hard, but it is not the right part of the proof to say "clearly": it's precisely the part of the proof where you have to use that $E$ is finite-dimensional.
Once you know that $S$ is compact, you are done. You have already proven that $psi$ is uniformly continuous, as your argument started with $psi(x)leqbeta|x|_0$. And you don't even need uniform continuity, which is automatic for a continuous function on a compact set. Once you know that $S$ is compact and $psi$ is continuous, it is standard that it attains a max and a min on $S$, and you are done.
Finally, your (unneeded) argument to show that $psi$ is uniformly continuous starts by saying that $x/|x-y|_0in S$, which is not the case. And the argument cannot be right because it doesn't use that $S$ is compact, so it doesn't use that $E$ is finite-dimensional; nor it uses what $|cdot|_0$ is (which you did use in your original proof of $psi(x)leqbeta|x|$): it is a "proof" that any two norms on a vector space are comparable, something that is not true.
Finally, you have $psi(t_0)>0$ because $psi$ is a norm; since $t_0in S$, you have $|t_0|_0=1$, so $t_0ne0$ and then $psi(t_0)>0$.
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The key of the argument is the fact that $S$ is compact, and you are glossing over that. It's not very hard, but it is not the right part of the proof to say "clearly": it's precisely the part of the proof where you have to use that $E$ is finite-dimensional.
Once you know that $S$ is compact, you are done. You have already proven that $psi$ is uniformly continuous, as your argument started with $psi(x)leqbeta|x|_0$. And you don't even need uniform continuity, which is automatic for a continuous function on a compact set. Once you know that $S$ is compact and $psi$ is continuous, it is standard that it attains a max and a min on $S$, and you are done.
Finally, your (unneeded) argument to show that $psi$ is uniformly continuous starts by saying that $x/|x-y|_0in S$, which is not the case. And the argument cannot be right because it doesn't use that $S$ is compact, so it doesn't use that $E$ is finite-dimensional; nor it uses what $|cdot|_0$ is (which you did use in your original proof of $psi(x)leqbeta|x|$): it is a "proof" that any two norms on a vector space are comparable, something that is not true.
Finally, you have $psi(t_0)>0$ because $psi$ is a norm; since $t_0in S$, you have $|t_0|_0=1$, so $t_0ne0$ and then $psi(t_0)>0$.
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+1) Thank you for your critical examination of the proof. Can you please, tell me where the proof is faulty? Or can you provide one?
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The argument is faulty because you cannot say that $x/|x-y|_0in S$; these elements can be unbounded in general and your argument does not apply. And I don't need to provide a proof, because you already did.You need to erase from "We claim" all the way until "Thus", as none of that is needed. As I mentioned, $psi$ is continuous by your first estimate, and that together with the compactness of $S$ gives you the minimum you need.
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– Martin Argerami
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Thanks and let me do that right away!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:34
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Can you please, check now?
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:45
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Looks ok now. I also added the explanation why $psi(t_0)>0$.
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Dec 27 '18 at 17:50
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+1) Thank you for your critical examination of the proof. Can you please, tell me where the proof is faulty? Or can you provide one?
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:21
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The argument is faulty because you cannot say that $x/|x-y|_0in S$; these elements can be unbounded in general and your argument does not apply. And I don't need to provide a proof, because you already did.You need to erase from "We claim" all the way until "Thus", as none of that is needed. As I mentioned, $psi$ is continuous by your first estimate, and that together with the compactness of $S$ gives you the minimum you need.
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– Martin Argerami
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Thanks and let me do that right away!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:34
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Can you please, check now?
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:45
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Looks ok now. I also added the explanation why $psi(t_0)>0$.
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– Martin Argerami
Dec 27 '18 at 17:50
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+1) Thank you for your critical examination of the proof. Can you please, tell me where the proof is faulty? Or can you provide one?
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:21
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+1) Thank you for your critical examination of the proof. Can you please, tell me where the proof is faulty? Or can you provide one?
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:21
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The argument is faulty because you cannot say that $x/|x-y|_0in S$; these elements can be unbounded in general and your argument does not apply. And I don't need to provide a proof, because you already did.You need to erase from "We claim" all the way until "Thus", as none of that is needed. As I mentioned, $psi$ is continuous by your first estimate, and that together with the compactness of $S$ gives you the minimum you need.
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– Martin Argerami
Dec 27 '18 at 16:29
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The argument is faulty because you cannot say that $x/|x-y|_0in S$; these elements can be unbounded in general and your argument does not apply. And I don't need to provide a proof, because you already did.You need to erase from "We claim" all the way until "Thus", as none of that is needed. As I mentioned, $psi$ is continuous by your first estimate, and that together with the compactness of $S$ gives you the minimum you need.
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– Martin Argerami
Dec 27 '18 at 16:29
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Thanks and let me do that right away!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:34
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Thanks and let me do that right away!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:34
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Can you please, check now?
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:45
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Can you please, check now?
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 27 '18 at 16:45
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Looks ok now. I also added the explanation why $psi(t_0)>0$.
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– Martin Argerami
Dec 27 '18 at 17:50
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Looks ok now. I also added the explanation why $psi(t_0)>0$.
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– Martin Argerami
Dec 27 '18 at 17:50
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Since the minimum is attained in the set $S$, it's pretty straightforward. Recall that $S$ is defined as :
$$S = {x in E : |x|_0 = 1}$$
You defined $psi(t)$ as :
$$begin{align}psi:(E&,| cdot |_0)longrightarrow Bbb{R},\& xmapsto psi(x)=|x|end{align}$$
But, note that for any norm, it is :
$$|x| = 0 Leftrightarrow x = 0$$
The importance of $Leftrightarrow$ as an if and only if operator is noted here.
Specifically, it is : $psi(t_0) = |t_0|$ with $t_0 in S$. But $|t_0|_0 = 1 > 0 Leftrightarrow t_0 > 0 Leftrightarrow |t_0| equiv psi(t_0) >0$.
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Thanks for that clarification! Kindly check the proof if correct.
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:41
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@Mike Seems okay.
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:44
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Thanks a lot! I am grateful!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:45
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@Mike Always happy to help. Merry Christmas !
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:46
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Same, same here! Goodbye!
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– Omojola Micheal
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Since the minimum is attained in the set $S$, it's pretty straightforward. Recall that $S$ is defined as :
$$S = {x in E : |x|_0 = 1}$$
You defined $psi(t)$ as :
$$begin{align}psi:(E&,| cdot |_0)longrightarrow Bbb{R},\& xmapsto psi(x)=|x|end{align}$$
But, note that for any norm, it is :
$$|x| = 0 Leftrightarrow x = 0$$
The importance of $Leftrightarrow$ as an if and only if operator is noted here.
Specifically, it is : $psi(t_0) = |t_0|$ with $t_0 in S$. But $|t_0|_0 = 1 > 0 Leftrightarrow t_0 > 0 Leftrightarrow |t_0| equiv psi(t_0) >0$.
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Thanks for that clarification! Kindly check the proof if correct.
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:41
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@Mike Seems okay.
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:44
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Thanks a lot! I am grateful!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:45
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@Mike Always happy to help. Merry Christmas !
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:46
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Same, same here! Goodbye!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:47
add a comment |
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Since the minimum is attained in the set $S$, it's pretty straightforward. Recall that $S$ is defined as :
$$S = {x in E : |x|_0 = 1}$$
You defined $psi(t)$ as :
$$begin{align}psi:(E&,| cdot |_0)longrightarrow Bbb{R},\& xmapsto psi(x)=|x|end{align}$$
But, note that for any norm, it is :
$$|x| = 0 Leftrightarrow x = 0$$
The importance of $Leftrightarrow$ as an if and only if operator is noted here.
Specifically, it is : $psi(t_0) = |t_0|$ with $t_0 in S$. But $|t_0|_0 = 1 > 0 Leftrightarrow t_0 > 0 Leftrightarrow |t_0| equiv psi(t_0) >0$.
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Since the minimum is attained in the set $S$, it's pretty straightforward. Recall that $S$ is defined as :
$$S = {x in E : |x|_0 = 1}$$
You defined $psi(t)$ as :
$$begin{align}psi:(E&,| cdot |_0)longrightarrow Bbb{R},\& xmapsto psi(x)=|x|end{align}$$
But, note that for any norm, it is :
$$|x| = 0 Leftrightarrow x = 0$$
The importance of $Leftrightarrow$ as an if and only if operator is noted here.
Specifically, it is : $psi(t_0) = |t_0|$ with $t_0 in S$. But $|t_0|_0 = 1 > 0 Leftrightarrow t_0 > 0 Leftrightarrow |t_0| equiv psi(t_0) >0$.
answered Dec 26 '18 at 21:39
RebellosRebellos
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Thanks for that clarification! Kindly check the proof if correct.
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:41
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@Mike Seems okay.
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:44
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Thanks a lot! I am grateful!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:45
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@Mike Always happy to help. Merry Christmas !
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:46
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Same, same here! Goodbye!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:47
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Thanks for that clarification! Kindly check the proof if correct.
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:41
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@Mike Seems okay.
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:44
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Thanks a lot! I am grateful!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:45
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@Mike Always happy to help. Merry Christmas !
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:46
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Same, same here! Goodbye!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:47
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Thanks for that clarification! Kindly check the proof if correct.
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:41
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Thanks for that clarification! Kindly check the proof if correct.
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:41
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@Mike Seems okay.
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:44
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@Mike Seems okay.
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:44
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Thanks a lot! I am grateful!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:45
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Thanks a lot! I am grateful!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:45
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@Mike Always happy to help. Merry Christmas !
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:46
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@Mike Always happy to help. Merry Christmas !
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– Rebellos
Dec 26 '18 at 21:46
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Same, same here! Goodbye!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:47
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Same, same here! Goodbye!
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Dec 26 '18 at 21:47
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We know that if and only if $||x||=0$ then $x=0$. And we know the same for $||x||_0$.
Since $||t_0||_0=1$ we get that $||t_0||neq 0$. And since $||x||geq0$ we get positivity of $||t_0||=psi(t_0)$
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Thanks a lot! I really appreciate you!
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We know that if and only if $||x||=0$ then $x=0$. And we know the same for $||x||_0$.
Since $||t_0||_0=1$ we get that $||t_0||neq 0$. And since $||x||geq0$ we get positivity of $||t_0||=psi(t_0)$
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Thanks a lot! I really appreciate you!
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We know that if and only if $||x||=0$ then $x=0$. And we know the same for $||x||_0$.
Since $||t_0||_0=1$ we get that $||t_0||neq 0$. And since $||x||geq0$ we get positivity of $||t_0||=psi(t_0)$
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We know that if and only if $||x||=0$ then $x=0$. And we know the same for $||x||_0$.
Since $||t_0||_0=1$ we get that $||t_0||neq 0$. And since $||x||geq0$ we get positivity of $||t_0||=psi(t_0)$
edited Dec 26 '18 at 21:41
answered Dec 26 '18 at 21:24
TimmathstfTimmathstf
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Thanks a lot! I really appreciate you!
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Thanks a lot! I really appreciate you!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:46
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Thanks a lot! I really appreciate you!
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– Omojola Micheal
Dec 26 '18 at 21:46
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Thanks a lot! I really appreciate you!
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– Omojola Micheal
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You say, "Clearly $S$ is compact." Compact with respect to which topology? You have two norms whose topologies you may not assume coincide. Also, I'm not certain compactness is that self-evident!
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@Theo Bendit: I made such a claim since it is closed and bounded.
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