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From my understanding,




Proof by contrapositive: Prove $P implies Q$, by proving that $neg Q implies neg P$ since they are logically equivalent.



Proof by contradiction: Prove $P implies Q$ by showing that $P wedge neg Q$ yields an absurdity and hence false. So $neg (P wedge neg Q)$ is equivalent to $neg (neg (P implies Q))$ and $P implies Q$ by double negation so showing that $neg (P wedge neg Q)$ proves $P implies Q$.




If the absurdity derived during the procedure for a proof by contradiction is $P wedge neg Q impliesneg P$, we have essentially already proven $P implies Q$ by contrapositive since $neg Q implies neg P$ is precisely the required condition for proof by contrapositive. But $(P wedge neg Q) implies neg P$ is also a contradictory statement which means that $P implies Q$ must be true.



Now the question is this. Is this proof by contradiction still a valid form of proof even though its a proof by contrapositive in disguise? To me, this proof by contradiction also seems to be a valid proof as it does seem to satisfy the conditions(if they are correct) for proof by contradiction.



Additionally, if you have a contrapositive proof, so you have shown that $neg Q implies neg P$, is it possible to rephrase this in a proof by contradiction by supposing that $P wedge neg Q$ instead of just $neg Q$.



If this is the case, what is the point in distinguishing proof by contradiction from proof by contrapositive?



edit: My thought is that proof by contrapositive is a direct proof while proof by contradiction, in this case, depends on the validity of the double negation law which apparently isn't valid in intuitionistic logic.










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    The $(neg Qimpliesneg P)implies(Pimplies Q)$ direction of the equivalence also requires something like double negation elimination assuming you are starting from a reasonably typical constructive logic.
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    If every proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction, why do so many mathematicians prefer proof by contrapositive when it can be shown that way?
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    Dec 26 '18 at 0:29






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    @SeiSakata sometimes rephrasing the problem in the contrapositive form makes the proof easier or adds some intuition to the statement. Sometimes it's merely a matter of preference.
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    @spaceisdarkgreen But what we are discussing here is only in one direction. The statement that every proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction is seemingly true but the converse doesn't necessarily hold. I am not sure if you were referring to this in your comment" any proof by contradiction “can be rephrased” as a direct proof". BTW I said seemingly true since the line of reasoning that a proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction seems to be general enough to account for all cases. But I might be mistaken and not true at all.
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    – Sei Sakata
    Dec 26 '18 at 1:33












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    Sorry, I didn't read your definition of what you're calling a proof by contradiction carefully... you are right that contrapositive is a special case of contradiction here (coincidentally, I wrote an answer about precisely this a couple days ago math.stackexchange.com/questions/3050738/…).
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    Dec 26 '18 at 7:40
















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From my understanding,




Proof by contrapositive: Prove $P implies Q$, by proving that $neg Q implies neg P$ since they are logically equivalent.



Proof by contradiction: Prove $P implies Q$ by showing that $P wedge neg Q$ yields an absurdity and hence false. So $neg (P wedge neg Q)$ is equivalent to $neg (neg (P implies Q))$ and $P implies Q$ by double negation so showing that $neg (P wedge neg Q)$ proves $P implies Q$.




If the absurdity derived during the procedure for a proof by contradiction is $P wedge neg Q impliesneg P$, we have essentially already proven $P implies Q$ by contrapositive since $neg Q implies neg P$ is precisely the required condition for proof by contrapositive. But $(P wedge neg Q) implies neg P$ is also a contradictory statement which means that $P implies Q$ must be true.



Now the question is this. Is this proof by contradiction still a valid form of proof even though its a proof by contrapositive in disguise? To me, this proof by contradiction also seems to be a valid proof as it does seem to satisfy the conditions(if they are correct) for proof by contradiction.



Additionally, if you have a contrapositive proof, so you have shown that $neg Q implies neg P$, is it possible to rephrase this in a proof by contradiction by supposing that $P wedge neg Q$ instead of just $neg Q$.



If this is the case, what is the point in distinguishing proof by contradiction from proof by contrapositive?



edit: My thought is that proof by contrapositive is a direct proof while proof by contradiction, in this case, depends on the validity of the double negation law which apparently isn't valid in intuitionistic logic.










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    The $(neg Qimpliesneg P)implies(Pimplies Q)$ direction of the equivalence also requires something like double negation elimination assuming you are starting from a reasonably typical constructive logic.
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    – Derek Elkins
    Dec 26 '18 at 0:25










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    If every proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction, why do so many mathematicians prefer proof by contrapositive when it can be shown that way?
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    – Sei Sakata
    Dec 26 '18 at 0:29






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    @SeiSakata sometimes rephrasing the problem in the contrapositive form makes the proof easier or adds some intuition to the statement. Sometimes it's merely a matter of preference.
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    – CyclotomicField
    Dec 26 '18 at 0:33










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    @spaceisdarkgreen But what we are discussing here is only in one direction. The statement that every proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction is seemingly true but the converse doesn't necessarily hold. I am not sure if you were referring to this in your comment" any proof by contradiction “can be rephrased” as a direct proof". BTW I said seemingly true since the line of reasoning that a proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction seems to be general enough to account for all cases. But I might be mistaken and not true at all.
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    – Sei Sakata
    Dec 26 '18 at 1:33












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    Sorry, I didn't read your definition of what you're calling a proof by contradiction carefully... you are right that contrapositive is a special case of contradiction here (coincidentally, I wrote an answer about precisely this a couple days ago math.stackexchange.com/questions/3050738/…).
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    – spaceisdarkgreen
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From my understanding,




Proof by contrapositive: Prove $P implies Q$, by proving that $neg Q implies neg P$ since they are logically equivalent.



Proof by contradiction: Prove $P implies Q$ by showing that $P wedge neg Q$ yields an absurdity and hence false. So $neg (P wedge neg Q)$ is equivalent to $neg (neg (P implies Q))$ and $P implies Q$ by double negation so showing that $neg (P wedge neg Q)$ proves $P implies Q$.




If the absurdity derived during the procedure for a proof by contradiction is $P wedge neg Q impliesneg P$, we have essentially already proven $P implies Q$ by contrapositive since $neg Q implies neg P$ is precisely the required condition for proof by contrapositive. But $(P wedge neg Q) implies neg P$ is also a contradictory statement which means that $P implies Q$ must be true.



Now the question is this. Is this proof by contradiction still a valid form of proof even though its a proof by contrapositive in disguise? To me, this proof by contradiction also seems to be a valid proof as it does seem to satisfy the conditions(if they are correct) for proof by contradiction.



Additionally, if you have a contrapositive proof, so you have shown that $neg Q implies neg P$, is it possible to rephrase this in a proof by contradiction by supposing that $P wedge neg Q$ instead of just $neg Q$.



If this is the case, what is the point in distinguishing proof by contradiction from proof by contrapositive?



edit: My thought is that proof by contrapositive is a direct proof while proof by contradiction, in this case, depends on the validity of the double negation law which apparently isn't valid in intuitionistic logic.










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From my understanding,




Proof by contrapositive: Prove $P implies Q$, by proving that $neg Q implies neg P$ since they are logically equivalent.



Proof by contradiction: Prove $P implies Q$ by showing that $P wedge neg Q$ yields an absurdity and hence false. So $neg (P wedge neg Q)$ is equivalent to $neg (neg (P implies Q))$ and $P implies Q$ by double negation so showing that $neg (P wedge neg Q)$ proves $P implies Q$.




If the absurdity derived during the procedure for a proof by contradiction is $P wedge neg Q impliesneg P$, we have essentially already proven $P implies Q$ by contrapositive since $neg Q implies neg P$ is precisely the required condition for proof by contrapositive. But $(P wedge neg Q) implies neg P$ is also a contradictory statement which means that $P implies Q$ must be true.



Now the question is this. Is this proof by contradiction still a valid form of proof even though its a proof by contrapositive in disguise? To me, this proof by contradiction also seems to be a valid proof as it does seem to satisfy the conditions(if they are correct) for proof by contradiction.



Additionally, if you have a contrapositive proof, so you have shown that $neg Q implies neg P$, is it possible to rephrase this in a proof by contradiction by supposing that $P wedge neg Q$ instead of just $neg Q$.



If this is the case, what is the point in distinguishing proof by contradiction from proof by contrapositive?



edit: My thought is that proof by contrapositive is a direct proof while proof by contradiction, in this case, depends on the validity of the double negation law which apparently isn't valid in intuitionistic logic.







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    The $(neg Qimpliesneg P)implies(Pimplies Q)$ direction of the equivalence also requires something like double negation elimination assuming you are starting from a reasonably typical constructive logic.
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    – Derek Elkins
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    If every proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction, why do so many mathematicians prefer proof by contrapositive when it can be shown that way?
    $endgroup$
    – Sei Sakata
    Dec 26 '18 at 0:29






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    @SeiSakata sometimes rephrasing the problem in the contrapositive form makes the proof easier or adds some intuition to the statement. Sometimes it's merely a matter of preference.
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    – CyclotomicField
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    @spaceisdarkgreen But what we are discussing here is only in one direction. The statement that every proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction is seemingly true but the converse doesn't necessarily hold. I am not sure if you were referring to this in your comment" any proof by contradiction “can be rephrased” as a direct proof". BTW I said seemingly true since the line of reasoning that a proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction seems to be general enough to account for all cases. But I might be mistaken and not true at all.
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    – Sei Sakata
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    Sorry, I didn't read your definition of what you're calling a proof by contradiction carefully... you are right that contrapositive is a special case of contradiction here (coincidentally, I wrote an answer about precisely this a couple days ago math.stackexchange.com/questions/3050738/…).
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    – spaceisdarkgreen
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    $begingroup$
    The $(neg Qimpliesneg P)implies(Pimplies Q)$ direction of the equivalence also requires something like double negation elimination assuming you are starting from a reasonably typical constructive logic.
    $endgroup$
    – Derek Elkins
    Dec 26 '18 at 0:25










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    If every proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction, why do so many mathematicians prefer proof by contrapositive when it can be shown that way?
    $endgroup$
    – Sei Sakata
    Dec 26 '18 at 0:29






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    $begingroup$
    @SeiSakata sometimes rephrasing the problem in the contrapositive form makes the proof easier or adds some intuition to the statement. Sometimes it's merely a matter of preference.
    $endgroup$
    – CyclotomicField
    Dec 26 '18 at 0:33










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    @spaceisdarkgreen But what we are discussing here is only in one direction. The statement that every proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction is seemingly true but the converse doesn't necessarily hold. I am not sure if you were referring to this in your comment" any proof by contradiction “can be rephrased” as a direct proof". BTW I said seemingly true since the line of reasoning that a proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction seems to be general enough to account for all cases. But I might be mistaken and not true at all.
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    – Sei Sakata
    Dec 26 '18 at 1:33












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    Sorry, I didn't read your definition of what you're calling a proof by contradiction carefully... you are right that contrapositive is a special case of contradiction here (coincidentally, I wrote an answer about precisely this a couple days ago math.stackexchange.com/questions/3050738/…).
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The $(neg Qimpliesneg P)implies(Pimplies Q)$ direction of the equivalence also requires something like double negation elimination assuming you are starting from a reasonably typical constructive logic.
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– Derek Elkins
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$begingroup$
The $(neg Qimpliesneg P)implies(Pimplies Q)$ direction of the equivalence also requires something like double negation elimination assuming you are starting from a reasonably typical constructive logic.
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– Derek Elkins
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If every proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction, why do so many mathematicians prefer proof by contrapositive when it can be shown that way?
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– Sei Sakata
Dec 26 '18 at 0:29




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If every proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction, why do so many mathematicians prefer proof by contrapositive when it can be shown that way?
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– Sei Sakata
Dec 26 '18 at 0:29




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@SeiSakata sometimes rephrasing the problem in the contrapositive form makes the proof easier or adds some intuition to the statement. Sometimes it's merely a matter of preference.
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– CyclotomicField
Dec 26 '18 at 0:33




$begingroup$
@SeiSakata sometimes rephrasing the problem in the contrapositive form makes the proof easier or adds some intuition to the statement. Sometimes it's merely a matter of preference.
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– CyclotomicField
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@spaceisdarkgreen But what we are discussing here is only in one direction. The statement that every proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction is seemingly true but the converse doesn't necessarily hold. I am not sure if you were referring to this in your comment" any proof by contradiction “can be rephrased” as a direct proof". BTW I said seemingly true since the line of reasoning that a proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction seems to be general enough to account for all cases. But I might be mistaken and not true at all.
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– Sei Sakata
Dec 26 '18 at 1:33






$begingroup$
@spaceisdarkgreen But what we are discussing here is only in one direction. The statement that every proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction is seemingly true but the converse doesn't necessarily hold. I am not sure if you were referring to this in your comment" any proof by contradiction “can be rephrased” as a direct proof". BTW I said seemingly true since the line of reasoning that a proof by contrapositive can be rephrased into a proof by contradiction seems to be general enough to account for all cases. But I might be mistaken and not true at all.
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– Sei Sakata
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$begingroup$
Sorry, I didn't read your definition of what you're calling a proof by contradiction carefully... you are right that contrapositive is a special case of contradiction here (coincidentally, I wrote an answer about precisely this a couple days ago math.stackexchange.com/questions/3050738/…).
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– spaceisdarkgreen
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$begingroup$
Sorry, I didn't read your definition of what you're calling a proof by contradiction carefully... you are right that contrapositive is a special case of contradiction here (coincidentally, I wrote an answer about precisely this a couple days ago math.stackexchange.com/questions/3050738/…).
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Yes it is valid... it doesn't really matter if it's something else 'in disguise', just that is it correct. And deriving $lnot P$ from $Plandlnot Q$ is certainly leads to a contradiction that implies $lnot (Pland lnot Q)$ is true, which implies that $Pto Q$ is true. One thing to note (that I think you have noticed based on your second question) is that you have an additional assumption of $P$ open and available for use when you derive $lnot P,$ unlike in the case of just deriving $lnot Qto lnot P$ by assuming $lnot Q$ and deriving $lnot P.$



So the second question amounts to whether it is admissible to assume $P$ in a proof of $lnot Qto lnot P.$ It is, and the easiest way to see this is reasoning semantically and using the completeness/soundness theorem. If $Pvdash lnot Qto lnot P$ then every interpretation in which $P$ is true has $Q$ true, which means precisely the same thing as $vdash Pto Q,$ so we have $vdash lnot Qto lnot P.$



As a result, proof by contrapositive is essentially a special case of what you're calling proof by contradiction, where the contradiction takes the special form $lnot P$ contradicting with $P.$



I think the reason you might have seen framing contrapositive proofs as proofs by contradiction discouraged is for style reasons. Unless the outstanding assumption of $P$ is used (unnecessarily), the part of the proof outside the inner proof of $lnot Qto lnot P$ is just boilerplate that can be omitted. It is also more informative to call it a proof by contrapositive since that is a special case of contradiction.



(As Derek indicates in the comments, proof by contrapositive is not intuitionistically valid, so it doesn't have anything to do with this.)






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    Yes it is valid... it doesn't really matter if it's something else 'in disguise', just that is it correct. And deriving $lnot P$ from $Plandlnot Q$ is certainly leads to a contradiction that implies $lnot (Pland lnot Q)$ is true, which implies that $Pto Q$ is true. One thing to note (that I think you have noticed based on your second question) is that you have an additional assumption of $P$ open and available for use when you derive $lnot P,$ unlike in the case of just deriving $lnot Qto lnot P$ by assuming $lnot Q$ and deriving $lnot P.$



    So the second question amounts to whether it is admissible to assume $P$ in a proof of $lnot Qto lnot P.$ It is, and the easiest way to see this is reasoning semantically and using the completeness/soundness theorem. If $Pvdash lnot Qto lnot P$ then every interpretation in which $P$ is true has $Q$ true, which means precisely the same thing as $vdash Pto Q,$ so we have $vdash lnot Qto lnot P.$



    As a result, proof by contrapositive is essentially a special case of what you're calling proof by contradiction, where the contradiction takes the special form $lnot P$ contradicting with $P.$



    I think the reason you might have seen framing contrapositive proofs as proofs by contradiction discouraged is for style reasons. Unless the outstanding assumption of $P$ is used (unnecessarily), the part of the proof outside the inner proof of $lnot Qto lnot P$ is just boilerplate that can be omitted. It is also more informative to call it a proof by contrapositive since that is a special case of contradiction.



    (As Derek indicates in the comments, proof by contrapositive is not intuitionistically valid, so it doesn't have anything to do with this.)






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      Yes it is valid... it doesn't really matter if it's something else 'in disguise', just that is it correct. And deriving $lnot P$ from $Plandlnot Q$ is certainly leads to a contradiction that implies $lnot (Pland lnot Q)$ is true, which implies that $Pto Q$ is true. One thing to note (that I think you have noticed based on your second question) is that you have an additional assumption of $P$ open and available for use when you derive $lnot P,$ unlike in the case of just deriving $lnot Qto lnot P$ by assuming $lnot Q$ and deriving $lnot P.$



      So the second question amounts to whether it is admissible to assume $P$ in a proof of $lnot Qto lnot P.$ It is, and the easiest way to see this is reasoning semantically and using the completeness/soundness theorem. If $Pvdash lnot Qto lnot P$ then every interpretation in which $P$ is true has $Q$ true, which means precisely the same thing as $vdash Pto Q,$ so we have $vdash lnot Qto lnot P.$



      As a result, proof by contrapositive is essentially a special case of what you're calling proof by contradiction, where the contradiction takes the special form $lnot P$ contradicting with $P.$



      I think the reason you might have seen framing contrapositive proofs as proofs by contradiction discouraged is for style reasons. Unless the outstanding assumption of $P$ is used (unnecessarily), the part of the proof outside the inner proof of $lnot Qto lnot P$ is just boilerplate that can be omitted. It is also more informative to call it a proof by contrapositive since that is a special case of contradiction.



      (As Derek indicates in the comments, proof by contrapositive is not intuitionistically valid, so it doesn't have anything to do with this.)






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        Yes it is valid... it doesn't really matter if it's something else 'in disguise', just that is it correct. And deriving $lnot P$ from $Plandlnot Q$ is certainly leads to a contradiction that implies $lnot (Pland lnot Q)$ is true, which implies that $Pto Q$ is true. One thing to note (that I think you have noticed based on your second question) is that you have an additional assumption of $P$ open and available for use when you derive $lnot P,$ unlike in the case of just deriving $lnot Qto lnot P$ by assuming $lnot Q$ and deriving $lnot P.$



        So the second question amounts to whether it is admissible to assume $P$ in a proof of $lnot Qto lnot P.$ It is, and the easiest way to see this is reasoning semantically and using the completeness/soundness theorem. If $Pvdash lnot Qto lnot P$ then every interpretation in which $P$ is true has $Q$ true, which means precisely the same thing as $vdash Pto Q,$ so we have $vdash lnot Qto lnot P.$



        As a result, proof by contrapositive is essentially a special case of what you're calling proof by contradiction, where the contradiction takes the special form $lnot P$ contradicting with $P.$



        I think the reason you might have seen framing contrapositive proofs as proofs by contradiction discouraged is for style reasons. Unless the outstanding assumption of $P$ is used (unnecessarily), the part of the proof outside the inner proof of $lnot Qto lnot P$ is just boilerplate that can be omitted. It is also more informative to call it a proof by contrapositive since that is a special case of contradiction.



        (As Derek indicates in the comments, proof by contrapositive is not intuitionistically valid, so it doesn't have anything to do with this.)






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        Yes it is valid... it doesn't really matter if it's something else 'in disguise', just that is it correct. And deriving $lnot P$ from $Plandlnot Q$ is certainly leads to a contradiction that implies $lnot (Pland lnot Q)$ is true, which implies that $Pto Q$ is true. One thing to note (that I think you have noticed based on your second question) is that you have an additional assumption of $P$ open and available for use when you derive $lnot P,$ unlike in the case of just deriving $lnot Qto lnot P$ by assuming $lnot Q$ and deriving $lnot P.$



        So the second question amounts to whether it is admissible to assume $P$ in a proof of $lnot Qto lnot P.$ It is, and the easiest way to see this is reasoning semantically and using the completeness/soundness theorem. If $Pvdash lnot Qto lnot P$ then every interpretation in which $P$ is true has $Q$ true, which means precisely the same thing as $vdash Pto Q,$ so we have $vdash lnot Qto lnot P.$



        As a result, proof by contrapositive is essentially a special case of what you're calling proof by contradiction, where the contradiction takes the special form $lnot P$ contradicting with $P.$



        I think the reason you might have seen framing contrapositive proofs as proofs by contradiction discouraged is for style reasons. Unless the outstanding assumption of $P$ is used (unnecessarily), the part of the proof outside the inner proof of $lnot Qto lnot P$ is just boilerplate that can be omitted. It is also more informative to call it a proof by contrapositive since that is a special case of contradiction.



        (As Derek indicates in the comments, proof by contrapositive is not intuitionistically valid, so it doesn't have anything to do with this.)







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