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I feel like this is a basic question, but I'm having trouble justifying a property. I have the following result (simplified for the post) which I am trying to get an intuitive understanding for:



$P(|A+B| > c) leq P(|A|>c/2) +P(|B|>c/2)$



I believe that this is true but am having trouble working it out.



I can see why $P(|A|>c/2, |B|>c/2) leq P(|A|>c/2) +P(|B|>c/2)$



I guess my question is, is the step I am missing:



$P(|A+B| > c) = P(|A|>c/2, |B|>c/2)$










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    I feel like this is a basic question, but I'm having trouble justifying a property. I have the following result (simplified for the post) which I am trying to get an intuitive understanding for:



    $P(|A+B| > c) leq P(|A|>c/2) +P(|B|>c/2)$



    I believe that this is true but am having trouble working it out.



    I can see why $P(|A|>c/2, |B|>c/2) leq P(|A|>c/2) +P(|B|>c/2)$



    I guess my question is, is the step I am missing:



    $P(|A+B| > c) = P(|A|>c/2, |B|>c/2)$










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      I feel like this is a basic question, but I'm having trouble justifying a property. I have the following result (simplified for the post) which I am trying to get an intuitive understanding for:



      $P(|A+B| > c) leq P(|A|>c/2) +P(|B|>c/2)$



      I believe that this is true but am having trouble working it out.



      I can see why $P(|A|>c/2, |B|>c/2) leq P(|A|>c/2) +P(|B|>c/2)$



      I guess my question is, is the step I am missing:



      $P(|A+B| > c) = P(|A|>c/2, |B|>c/2)$










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      I feel like this is a basic question, but I'm having trouble justifying a property. I have the following result (simplified for the post) which I am trying to get an intuitive understanding for:



      $P(|A+B| > c) leq P(|A|>c/2) +P(|B|>c/2)$



      I believe that this is true but am having trouble working it out.



      I can see why $P(|A|>c/2, |B|>c/2) leq P(|A|>c/2) +P(|B|>c/2)$



      I guess my question is, is the step I am missing:



      $P(|A+B| > c) = P(|A|>c/2, |B|>c/2)$







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          Some possible steps (there are other routes):




          • the triangle inequality gives $|A+B| le |A|+|B|$

          • addition gives $|A| le c/2 text { and } |B| le c/2 implies |A|+|B| le c$

          • so $|A| le c/2 text { and } |B| le c/2 implies |A+B| le c$

          • with the contrapositive $|A+B| > c implies |A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2$

          • leading to $mathbb P(|A+B| > c) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2)$

          • while $mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2) = mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2) - mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { and } |B|>c/2)$ by inclusion-exclusion

          • dropping a term gives $mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2)$

          • and combining these gives $mathbb P(|A+B| > c) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2).$






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          Some possible steps (there are other routes):




          • the triangle inequality gives $|A+B| le |A|+|B|$

          • addition gives $|A| le c/2 text { and } |B| le c/2 implies |A|+|B| le c$

          • so $|A| le c/2 text { and } |B| le c/2 implies |A+B| le c$

          • with the contrapositive $|A+B| > c implies |A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2$

          • leading to $mathbb P(|A+B| > c) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2)$

          • while $mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2) = mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2) - mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { and } |B|>c/2)$ by inclusion-exclusion

          • dropping a term gives $mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2)$

          • and combining these gives $mathbb P(|A+B| > c) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2).$






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          up vote
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          accepted










          Some possible steps (there are other routes):




          • the triangle inequality gives $|A+B| le |A|+|B|$

          • addition gives $|A| le c/2 text { and } |B| le c/2 implies |A|+|B| le c$

          • so $|A| le c/2 text { and } |B| le c/2 implies |A+B| le c$

          • with the contrapositive $|A+B| > c implies |A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2$

          • leading to $mathbb P(|A+B| > c) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2)$

          • while $mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2) = mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2) - mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { and } |B|>c/2)$ by inclusion-exclusion

          • dropping a term gives $mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2)$

          • and combining these gives $mathbb P(|A+B| > c) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2).$






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          up vote
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          accepted






          Some possible steps (there are other routes):




          • the triangle inequality gives $|A+B| le |A|+|B|$

          • addition gives $|A| le c/2 text { and } |B| le c/2 implies |A|+|B| le c$

          • so $|A| le c/2 text { and } |B| le c/2 implies |A+B| le c$

          • with the contrapositive $|A+B| > c implies |A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2$

          • leading to $mathbb P(|A+B| > c) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2)$

          • while $mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2) = mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2) - mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { and } |B|>c/2)$ by inclusion-exclusion

          • dropping a term gives $mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2)$

          • and combining these gives $mathbb P(|A+B| > c) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2).$






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          Some possible steps (there are other routes):




          • the triangle inequality gives $|A+B| le |A|+|B|$

          • addition gives $|A| le c/2 text { and } |B| le c/2 implies |A|+|B| le c$

          • so $|A| le c/2 text { and } |B| le c/2 implies |A+B| le c$

          • with the contrapositive $|A+B| > c implies |A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2$

          • leading to $mathbb P(|A+B| > c) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2)$

          • while $mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2) = mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2) - mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { and } |B|>c/2)$ by inclusion-exclusion

          • dropping a term gives $mathbb P(|A|>c/2 text { or } |B|>c/2) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2)$

          • and combining these gives $mathbb P(|A+B| > c) le mathbb P(|A|>c/2) + mathbb P(|B|>c/2).$







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