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I am trying to figure out why when creating new files and directories in, let's say, the Documents folder, they get assigned, by default, the following permissions:



-rw-rw-r-- 1 hello world    0 Nov 19 12:17 'New Empty File'
drwxrwxr-x 2 hello world 4.0K Nov 19 12:16 'New Folder'/


Shouldn't 'Others' have no access to my files? From what I've read, Ubuntu is by default pretty secure. However, nowhere could I find a rationalization for this behavior. Would appreciate an answer :)










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    drwxrwxr-x 2 hello world 4.0K Nov 19 12:16 'New Folder'/


    Shouldn't 'Others' have no access to my files? From what I've read, Ubuntu is by default pretty secure. However, nowhere could I find a rationalization for this behavior. Would appreciate an answer :)










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      I am trying to figure out why when creating new files and directories in, let's say, the Documents folder, they get assigned, by default, the following permissions:



      -rw-rw-r-- 1 hello world    0 Nov 19 12:17 'New Empty File'
      drwxrwxr-x 2 hello world 4.0K Nov 19 12:16 'New Folder'/


      Shouldn't 'Others' have no access to my files? From what I've read, Ubuntu is by default pretty secure. However, nowhere could I find a rationalization for this behavior. Would appreciate an answer :)










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      I am trying to figure out why when creating new files and directories in, let's say, the Documents folder, they get assigned, by default, the following permissions:



      -rw-rw-r-- 1 hello world    0 Nov 19 12:17 'New Empty File'
      drwxrwxr-x 2 hello world 4.0K Nov 19 12:16 'New Folder'/


      Shouldn't 'Others' have no access to my files? From what I've read, Ubuntu is by default pretty secure. However, nowhere could I find a rationalization for this behavior. Would appreciate an answer :)







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          The permissions model of Linux means that, even if you are the only user of your computer, you're not the only user on the system. Many services will create their own user account to run under - for example, Apache will usually run under its own dedicated account.



          What you will also notice is that your home folder is usually only accessible to your own account - i.e. permissions 700 or drwx------. That means that only you can get at your home folder, even if subfolders within that folder have full access.



          This combination provides a useful balance. The default permissions allow service accounts to read any files on the system that they might need to, but they can't change anything. Any files which are personal to you should be in your home folder, so a rogue service won't be able to access them.



          You might find the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard a useful read. This outlines the generally expected permissions and functions for Unix/Linux systems, and most distributions will abide by this.






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            For me, on Xubuntu 18.04, /home/<home folder> has drwxr-xr-x permissions. Can't then an attacker try to make a user in my group to subvert this rationale?
            – wombat trash
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            If an attacker has a way to create a user "in your group" you have already lost, cause if he can do that, he can just as easily make one in the "root" group / with root rights.
            – Florian Bach
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            It might be worth adding a little about umask and how the default permissions for new files can be changed, and the caveats of doing that
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            @FlorianBach drwxr-xr-x permissions mean any other users on the system can read the files, not just users in your group. This includes other people with non-admin access user accounts on the system.
            – Macil
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          • As @Macil points out, your home directory is mode 755, NOT 700, on Ubuntu. Anybody who wants to can list and traverse it. While certain subdirectories ("Documents", perhaps) might be 700, files and directories created in ~ are world-readable by default. Since quite a few programs make the same error that you made of assuming the home directory is private, they don't change the mode on their own files and end up emitting potentially-sensitive world-readable data. Ubuntu sucks.
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            yesterday


















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          When you create new files and directories, the initial permissions are controlled by your umask setting. The application creating the item specifies the maximum permissions (typically rwxrwxrwx for directories and executable files, rw-rw-rw- for data files), and then the permissions in umask are subtracted from this.



          So if you want more restrictive permissions, you should set your umask to remove the permissions you don't want to grant. The permissions you show come from having umask 002, so it just disables other=write. If you want to disable other=read/execute as well, you should used:



          umask 007


          Traditionally, the default umask 002 comes from the assumption that all the users on a particular system would be a cooperating community (e.g. programmers in the same department of an organization), so there's little reason to prevent other users from reading your files in general. If you have specific files that are more private, you'd give them more restrictive permissions. If the above assumption is inappropriate for the users of your system, you should use a different default umask in the shell startup scripts.






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            The permissions model of Linux means that, even if you are the only user of your computer, you're not the only user on the system. Many services will create their own user account to run under - for example, Apache will usually run under its own dedicated account.



            What you will also notice is that your home folder is usually only accessible to your own account - i.e. permissions 700 or drwx------. That means that only you can get at your home folder, even if subfolders within that folder have full access.



            This combination provides a useful balance. The default permissions allow service accounts to read any files on the system that they might need to, but they can't change anything. Any files which are personal to you should be in your home folder, so a rogue service won't be able to access them.



            You might find the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard a useful read. This outlines the generally expected permissions and functions for Unix/Linux systems, and most distributions will abide by this.






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              For me, on Xubuntu 18.04, /home/<home folder> has drwxr-xr-x permissions. Can't then an attacker try to make a user in my group to subvert this rationale?
              – wombat trash
              yesterday








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              If an attacker has a way to create a user "in your group" you have already lost, cause if he can do that, he can just as easily make one in the "root" group / with root rights.
              – Florian Bach
              yesterday






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              It might be worth adding a little about umask and how the default permissions for new files can be changed, and the caveats of doing that
              – Dezza
              yesterday






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              @FlorianBach drwxr-xr-x permissions mean any other users on the system can read the files, not just users in your group. This includes other people with non-admin access user accounts on the system.
              – Macil
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            • As @Macil points out, your home directory is mode 755, NOT 700, on Ubuntu. Anybody who wants to can list and traverse it. While certain subdirectories ("Documents", perhaps) might be 700, files and directories created in ~ are world-readable by default. Since quite a few programs make the same error that you made of assuming the home directory is private, they don't change the mode on their own files and end up emitting potentially-sensitive world-readable data. Ubuntu sucks.
              – CBHacking
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            The permissions model of Linux means that, even if you are the only user of your computer, you're not the only user on the system. Many services will create their own user account to run under - for example, Apache will usually run under its own dedicated account.



            What you will also notice is that your home folder is usually only accessible to your own account - i.e. permissions 700 or drwx------. That means that only you can get at your home folder, even if subfolders within that folder have full access.



            This combination provides a useful balance. The default permissions allow service accounts to read any files on the system that they might need to, but they can't change anything. Any files which are personal to you should be in your home folder, so a rogue service won't be able to access them.



            You might find the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard a useful read. This outlines the generally expected permissions and functions for Unix/Linux systems, and most distributions will abide by this.






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              For me, on Xubuntu 18.04, /home/<home folder> has drwxr-xr-x permissions. Can't then an attacker try to make a user in my group to subvert this rationale?
              – wombat trash
              yesterday








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              If an attacker has a way to create a user "in your group" you have already lost, cause if he can do that, he can just as easily make one in the "root" group / with root rights.
              – Florian Bach
              yesterday






            • 2




              It might be worth adding a little about umask and how the default permissions for new files can be changed, and the caveats of doing that
              – Dezza
              yesterday






            • 1




              @FlorianBach drwxr-xr-x permissions mean any other users on the system can read the files, not just users in your group. This includes other people with non-admin access user accounts on the system.
              – Macil
              yesterday










            • As @Macil points out, your home directory is mode 755, NOT 700, on Ubuntu. Anybody who wants to can list and traverse it. While certain subdirectories ("Documents", perhaps) might be 700, files and directories created in ~ are world-readable by default. Since quite a few programs make the same error that you made of assuming the home directory is private, they don't change the mode on their own files and end up emitting potentially-sensitive world-readable data. Ubuntu sucks.
              – CBHacking
              yesterday













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            The permissions model of Linux means that, even if you are the only user of your computer, you're not the only user on the system. Many services will create their own user account to run under - for example, Apache will usually run under its own dedicated account.



            What you will also notice is that your home folder is usually only accessible to your own account - i.e. permissions 700 or drwx------. That means that only you can get at your home folder, even if subfolders within that folder have full access.



            This combination provides a useful balance. The default permissions allow service accounts to read any files on the system that they might need to, but they can't change anything. Any files which are personal to you should be in your home folder, so a rogue service won't be able to access them.



            You might find the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard a useful read. This outlines the generally expected permissions and functions for Unix/Linux systems, and most distributions will abide by this.






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            The permissions model of Linux means that, even if you are the only user of your computer, you're not the only user on the system. Many services will create their own user account to run under - for example, Apache will usually run under its own dedicated account.



            What you will also notice is that your home folder is usually only accessible to your own account - i.e. permissions 700 or drwx------. That means that only you can get at your home folder, even if subfolders within that folder have full access.



            This combination provides a useful balance. The default permissions allow service accounts to read any files on the system that they might need to, but they can't change anything. Any files which are personal to you should be in your home folder, so a rogue service won't be able to access them.



            You might find the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard a useful read. This outlines the generally expected permissions and functions for Unix/Linux systems, and most distributions will abide by this.







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              For me, on Xubuntu 18.04, /home/<home folder> has drwxr-xr-x permissions. Can't then an attacker try to make a user in my group to subvert this rationale?
              – wombat trash
              yesterday








            • 11




              If an attacker has a way to create a user "in your group" you have already lost, cause if he can do that, he can just as easily make one in the "root" group / with root rights.
              – Florian Bach
              yesterday






            • 2




              It might be worth adding a little about umask and how the default permissions for new files can be changed, and the caveats of doing that
              – Dezza
              yesterday






            • 1




              @FlorianBach drwxr-xr-x permissions mean any other users on the system can read the files, not just users in your group. This includes other people with non-admin access user accounts on the system.
              – Macil
              yesterday










            • As @Macil points out, your home directory is mode 755, NOT 700, on Ubuntu. Anybody who wants to can list and traverse it. While certain subdirectories ("Documents", perhaps) might be 700, files and directories created in ~ are world-readable by default. Since quite a few programs make the same error that you made of assuming the home directory is private, they don't change the mode on their own files and end up emitting potentially-sensitive world-readable data. Ubuntu sucks.
              – CBHacking
              yesterday














            • 2




              For me, on Xubuntu 18.04, /home/<home folder> has drwxr-xr-x permissions. Can't then an attacker try to make a user in my group to subvert this rationale?
              – wombat trash
              yesterday








            • 11




              If an attacker has a way to create a user "in your group" you have already lost, cause if he can do that, he can just as easily make one in the "root" group / with root rights.
              – Florian Bach
              yesterday






            • 2




              It might be worth adding a little about umask and how the default permissions for new files can be changed, and the caveats of doing that
              – Dezza
              yesterday






            • 1




              @FlorianBach drwxr-xr-x permissions mean any other users on the system can read the files, not just users in your group. This includes other people with non-admin access user accounts on the system.
              – Macil
              yesterday










            • As @Macil points out, your home directory is mode 755, NOT 700, on Ubuntu. Anybody who wants to can list and traverse it. While certain subdirectories ("Documents", perhaps) might be 700, files and directories created in ~ are world-readable by default. Since quite a few programs make the same error that you made of assuming the home directory is private, they don't change the mode on their own files and end up emitting potentially-sensitive world-readable data. Ubuntu sucks.
              – CBHacking
              yesterday








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            For me, on Xubuntu 18.04, /home/<home folder> has drwxr-xr-x permissions. Can't then an attacker try to make a user in my group to subvert this rationale?
            – wombat trash
            yesterday






            For me, on Xubuntu 18.04, /home/<home folder> has drwxr-xr-x permissions. Can't then an attacker try to make a user in my group to subvert this rationale?
            – wombat trash
            yesterday






            11




            11




            If an attacker has a way to create a user "in your group" you have already lost, cause if he can do that, he can just as easily make one in the "root" group / with root rights.
            – Florian Bach
            yesterday




            If an attacker has a way to create a user "in your group" you have already lost, cause if he can do that, he can just as easily make one in the "root" group / with root rights.
            – Florian Bach
            yesterday




            2




            2




            It might be worth adding a little about umask and how the default permissions for new files can be changed, and the caveats of doing that
            – Dezza
            yesterday




            It might be worth adding a little about umask and how the default permissions for new files can be changed, and the caveats of doing that
            – Dezza
            yesterday




            1




            1




            @FlorianBach drwxr-xr-x permissions mean any other users on the system can read the files, not just users in your group. This includes other people with non-admin access user accounts on the system.
            – Macil
            yesterday




            @FlorianBach drwxr-xr-x permissions mean any other users on the system can read the files, not just users in your group. This includes other people with non-admin access user accounts on the system.
            – Macil
            yesterday












            As @Macil points out, your home directory is mode 755, NOT 700, on Ubuntu. Anybody who wants to can list and traverse it. While certain subdirectories ("Documents", perhaps) might be 700, files and directories created in ~ are world-readable by default. Since quite a few programs make the same error that you made of assuming the home directory is private, they don't change the mode on their own files and end up emitting potentially-sensitive world-readable data. Ubuntu sucks.
            – CBHacking
            yesterday




            As @Macil points out, your home directory is mode 755, NOT 700, on Ubuntu. Anybody who wants to can list and traverse it. While certain subdirectories ("Documents", perhaps) might be 700, files and directories created in ~ are world-readable by default. Since quite a few programs make the same error that you made of assuming the home directory is private, they don't change the mode on their own files and end up emitting potentially-sensitive world-readable data. Ubuntu sucks.
            – CBHacking
            yesterday












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            When you create new files and directories, the initial permissions are controlled by your umask setting. The application creating the item specifies the maximum permissions (typically rwxrwxrwx for directories and executable files, rw-rw-rw- for data files), and then the permissions in umask are subtracted from this.



            So if you want more restrictive permissions, you should set your umask to remove the permissions you don't want to grant. The permissions you show come from having umask 002, so it just disables other=write. If you want to disable other=read/execute as well, you should used:



            umask 007


            Traditionally, the default umask 002 comes from the assumption that all the users on a particular system would be a cooperating community (e.g. programmers in the same department of an organization), so there's little reason to prevent other users from reading your files in general. If you have specific files that are more private, you'd give them more restrictive permissions. If the above assumption is inappropriate for the users of your system, you should use a different default umask in the shell startup scripts.






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              When you create new files and directories, the initial permissions are controlled by your umask setting. The application creating the item specifies the maximum permissions (typically rwxrwxrwx for directories and executable files, rw-rw-rw- for data files), and then the permissions in umask are subtracted from this.



              So if you want more restrictive permissions, you should set your umask to remove the permissions you don't want to grant. The permissions you show come from having umask 002, so it just disables other=write. If you want to disable other=read/execute as well, you should used:



              umask 007


              Traditionally, the default umask 002 comes from the assumption that all the users on a particular system would be a cooperating community (e.g. programmers in the same department of an organization), so there's little reason to prevent other users from reading your files in general. If you have specific files that are more private, you'd give them more restrictive permissions. If the above assumption is inappropriate for the users of your system, you should use a different default umask in the shell startup scripts.






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                When you create new files and directories, the initial permissions are controlled by your umask setting. The application creating the item specifies the maximum permissions (typically rwxrwxrwx for directories and executable files, rw-rw-rw- for data files), and then the permissions in umask are subtracted from this.



                So if you want more restrictive permissions, you should set your umask to remove the permissions you don't want to grant. The permissions you show come from having umask 002, so it just disables other=write. If you want to disable other=read/execute as well, you should used:



                umask 007


                Traditionally, the default umask 002 comes from the assumption that all the users on a particular system would be a cooperating community (e.g. programmers in the same department of an organization), so there's little reason to prevent other users from reading your files in general. If you have specific files that are more private, you'd give them more restrictive permissions. If the above assumption is inappropriate for the users of your system, you should use a different default umask in the shell startup scripts.






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                When you create new files and directories, the initial permissions are controlled by your umask setting. The application creating the item specifies the maximum permissions (typically rwxrwxrwx for directories and executable files, rw-rw-rw- for data files), and then the permissions in umask are subtracted from this.



                So if you want more restrictive permissions, you should set your umask to remove the permissions you don't want to grant. The permissions you show come from having umask 002, so it just disables other=write. If you want to disable other=read/execute as well, you should used:



                umask 007


                Traditionally, the default umask 002 comes from the assumption that all the users on a particular system would be a cooperating community (e.g. programmers in the same department of an organization), so there's little reason to prevent other users from reading your files in general. If you have specific files that are more private, you'd give them more restrictive permissions. If the above assumption is inappropriate for the users of your system, you should use a different default umask in the shell startup scripts.







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