On a special kind of six dimensional vector subspace of $mathbb C^9$ related to the primitive $9$-th root of...












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Let $mu=e^{2pi i/9}$ . Let $u_j:=(mu^j,mu^{2j}, mu ^{3j},...,mu^{9j})^T in mathbb C^9$, for $j=1,...,9$.



Let $V$ be the vector subspace of $mathbb C^9$ spanned by ${u_2,u_3,u_4,u_5,u_6,u_7}$ .



I can show that there exists $A in M_{3 times 6} (mathbb C)$ such that



$V={(x_1,...,x_9)in mathbb C^9 : (x_3,x_6,x_9)^T = A (x_1,x_2,x_4,x_5,x_7,x_8)^T }$ .



If On a special kind of $6$-dimensional vector subspace of $mathbb C^9$ is true, then this $A$ is unique and it is of the form $A=begin{pmatrix} a_1 &a_2 &a_3&a_4&a_5&a_6 \ a_5&a_6&a_1&a_2&a_3&a_4 \ a_3&a_4&a_5&a_6&a_1&a_2 end{pmatrix}$.



Let $L$ be the smalles t subsfield of $mathbb C$ generated by the entries of $A$.



I can show that $L subseteq mathbb Q(mu) $ , and hence $L/mathbb Q$ is a Galois-extension.



My question is : What is the extension degree $[L : mathbb Q]$ ?



Since $[mathbb Q(mu):mathbb Q]=phi(9)=6$, so $[L:mathbb Q]=1,2,3, $ or $6$, but exactly which one is it ?










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    Let $V$ be the $mathbb{Q}$ vector space spanned by $u_j, j in [2,7]$. Show it is isomorphic to $mathbb{Q}[mu]$. When looking at $x_n, gcd(n,9) = 1$, you are looking at $v in V mapsto ( sigma_1(v), ldots,sigma_6(v)) in W subset mathbb{Q}[mu]^6, sigma_l in Gal(mathbb{Q}[mu]/mathbb{Q})$ and again $W cong mathbb{Q}[mu]$. Then $A$ is a linear map $mathbb{Q}[mu]^6 to mathbb{Q}[mu^3]^3$ which can be defined over $mathbb{Q}$.
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    @reuns: what is $W$ here again ... ? So what is the extension degree ?
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    Now that you know $Lsubseteq mathbb{Q}(mu)$ I think it would be better to replace $mathbb{C}$ by $mathbb{Q}(mu)$. (And I have done this before my next comment!)
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    I don't think I agree with @reuns . If $A$ is rational then $V$ will be closed under the operation of applying the Galois Group of $mathbb{Q}(mu)$ to the components of the vectors. Then as $u_2in V$ and $sigma: mumapstomu^2$ is an automorphism, we get that $sigma^{5}(u_2)=u_1$ must be in $V$ as well. But $u_1, u_2,dots, u_9$ are nine LI vectors, so we'd get that $V$ had dimension at least $7$ which it does not.
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    On the other hand $V$ is clearly closed under the automorphism $mumapstomu^{-1}$ ...
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Let $mu=e^{2pi i/9}$ . Let $u_j:=(mu^j,mu^{2j}, mu ^{3j},...,mu^{9j})^T in mathbb C^9$, for $j=1,...,9$.



Let $V$ be the vector subspace of $mathbb C^9$ spanned by ${u_2,u_3,u_4,u_5,u_6,u_7}$ .



I can show that there exists $A in M_{3 times 6} (mathbb C)$ such that



$V={(x_1,...,x_9)in mathbb C^9 : (x_3,x_6,x_9)^T = A (x_1,x_2,x_4,x_5,x_7,x_8)^T }$ .



If On a special kind of $6$-dimensional vector subspace of $mathbb C^9$ is true, then this $A$ is unique and it is of the form $A=begin{pmatrix} a_1 &a_2 &a_3&a_4&a_5&a_6 \ a_5&a_6&a_1&a_2&a_3&a_4 \ a_3&a_4&a_5&a_6&a_1&a_2 end{pmatrix}$.



Let $L$ be the smalles t subsfield of $mathbb C$ generated by the entries of $A$.



I can show that $L subseteq mathbb Q(mu) $ , and hence $L/mathbb Q$ is a Galois-extension.



My question is : What is the extension degree $[L : mathbb Q]$ ?



Since $[mathbb Q(mu):mathbb Q]=phi(9)=6$, so $[L:mathbb Q]=1,2,3, $ or $6$, but exactly which one is it ?










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    Let $V$ be the $mathbb{Q}$ vector space spanned by $u_j, j in [2,7]$. Show it is isomorphic to $mathbb{Q}[mu]$. When looking at $x_n, gcd(n,9) = 1$, you are looking at $v in V mapsto ( sigma_1(v), ldots,sigma_6(v)) in W subset mathbb{Q}[mu]^6, sigma_l in Gal(mathbb{Q}[mu]/mathbb{Q})$ and again $W cong mathbb{Q}[mu]$. Then $A$ is a linear map $mathbb{Q}[mu]^6 to mathbb{Q}[mu^3]^3$ which can be defined over $mathbb{Q}$.
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    @reuns: what is $W$ here again ... ? So what is the extension degree ?
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    Now that you know $Lsubseteq mathbb{Q}(mu)$ I think it would be better to replace $mathbb{C}$ by $mathbb{Q}(mu)$. (And I have done this before my next comment!)
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    I don't think I agree with @reuns . If $A$ is rational then $V$ will be closed under the operation of applying the Galois Group of $mathbb{Q}(mu)$ to the components of the vectors. Then as $u_2in V$ and $sigma: mumapstomu^2$ is an automorphism, we get that $sigma^{5}(u_2)=u_1$ must be in $V$ as well. But $u_1, u_2,dots, u_9$ are nine LI vectors, so we'd get that $V$ had dimension at least $7$ which it does not.
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Let $mu=e^{2pi i/9}$ . Let $u_j:=(mu^j,mu^{2j}, mu ^{3j},...,mu^{9j})^T in mathbb C^9$, for $j=1,...,9$.



Let $V$ be the vector subspace of $mathbb C^9$ spanned by ${u_2,u_3,u_4,u_5,u_6,u_7}$ .



I can show that there exists $A in M_{3 times 6} (mathbb C)$ such that



$V={(x_1,...,x_9)in mathbb C^9 : (x_3,x_6,x_9)^T = A (x_1,x_2,x_4,x_5,x_7,x_8)^T }$ .



If On a special kind of $6$-dimensional vector subspace of $mathbb C^9$ is true, then this $A$ is unique and it is of the form $A=begin{pmatrix} a_1 &a_2 &a_3&a_4&a_5&a_6 \ a_5&a_6&a_1&a_2&a_3&a_4 \ a_3&a_4&a_5&a_6&a_1&a_2 end{pmatrix}$.



Let $L$ be the smalles t subsfield of $mathbb C$ generated by the entries of $A$.



I can show that $L subseteq mathbb Q(mu) $ , and hence $L/mathbb Q$ is a Galois-extension.



My question is : What is the extension degree $[L : mathbb Q]$ ?



Since $[mathbb Q(mu):mathbb Q]=phi(9)=6$, so $[L:mathbb Q]=1,2,3, $ or $6$, but exactly which one is it ?










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Let $mu=e^{2pi i/9}$ . Let $u_j:=(mu^j,mu^{2j}, mu ^{3j},...,mu^{9j})^T in mathbb C^9$, for $j=1,...,9$.



Let $V$ be the vector subspace of $mathbb C^9$ spanned by ${u_2,u_3,u_4,u_5,u_6,u_7}$ .



I can show that there exists $A in M_{3 times 6} (mathbb C)$ such that



$V={(x_1,...,x_9)in mathbb C^9 : (x_3,x_6,x_9)^T = A (x_1,x_2,x_4,x_5,x_7,x_8)^T }$ .



If On a special kind of $6$-dimensional vector subspace of $mathbb C^9$ is true, then this $A$ is unique and it is of the form $A=begin{pmatrix} a_1 &a_2 &a_3&a_4&a_5&a_6 \ a_5&a_6&a_1&a_2&a_3&a_4 \ a_3&a_4&a_5&a_6&a_1&a_2 end{pmatrix}$.



Let $L$ be the smalles t subsfield of $mathbb C$ generated by the entries of $A$.



I can show that $L subseteq mathbb Q(mu) $ , and hence $L/mathbb Q$ is a Galois-extension.



My question is : What is the extension degree $[L : mathbb Q]$ ?



Since $[mathbb Q(mu):mathbb Q]=phi(9)=6$, so $[L:mathbb Q]=1,2,3, $ or $6$, but exactly which one is it ?







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    Let $V$ be the $mathbb{Q}$ vector space spanned by $u_j, j in [2,7]$. Show it is isomorphic to $mathbb{Q}[mu]$. When looking at $x_n, gcd(n,9) = 1$, you are looking at $v in V mapsto ( sigma_1(v), ldots,sigma_6(v)) in W subset mathbb{Q}[mu]^6, sigma_l in Gal(mathbb{Q}[mu]/mathbb{Q})$ and again $W cong mathbb{Q}[mu]$. Then $A$ is a linear map $mathbb{Q}[mu]^6 to mathbb{Q}[mu^3]^3$ which can be defined over $mathbb{Q}$.
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    @reuns: what is $W$ here again ... ? So what is the extension degree ?
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    Now that you know $Lsubseteq mathbb{Q}(mu)$ I think it would be better to replace $mathbb{C}$ by $mathbb{Q}(mu)$. (And I have done this before my next comment!)
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    I don't think I agree with @reuns . If $A$ is rational then $V$ will be closed under the operation of applying the Galois Group of $mathbb{Q}(mu)$ to the components of the vectors. Then as $u_2in V$ and $sigma: mumapstomu^2$ is an automorphism, we get that $sigma^{5}(u_2)=u_1$ must be in $V$ as well. But $u_1, u_2,dots, u_9$ are nine LI vectors, so we'd get that $V$ had dimension at least $7$ which it does not.
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    On the other hand $V$ is clearly closed under the automorphism $mumapstomu^{-1}$ ...
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  • $begingroup$
    Let $V$ be the $mathbb{Q}$ vector space spanned by $u_j, j in [2,7]$. Show it is isomorphic to $mathbb{Q}[mu]$. When looking at $x_n, gcd(n,9) = 1$, you are looking at $v in V mapsto ( sigma_1(v), ldots,sigma_6(v)) in W subset mathbb{Q}[mu]^6, sigma_l in Gal(mathbb{Q}[mu]/mathbb{Q})$ and again $W cong mathbb{Q}[mu]$. Then $A$ is a linear map $mathbb{Q}[mu]^6 to mathbb{Q}[mu^3]^3$ which can be defined over $mathbb{Q}$.
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    Dec 14 '18 at 3:24












  • $begingroup$
    @reuns: what is $W$ here again ... ? So what is the extension degree ?
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    – user521337
    Dec 14 '18 at 3:48










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    Now that you know $Lsubseteq mathbb{Q}(mu)$ I think it would be better to replace $mathbb{C}$ by $mathbb{Q}(mu)$. (And I have done this before my next comment!)
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    – ancientmathematician
    Dec 14 '18 at 10:16










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    I don't think I agree with @reuns . If $A$ is rational then $V$ will be closed under the operation of applying the Galois Group of $mathbb{Q}(mu)$ to the components of the vectors. Then as $u_2in V$ and $sigma: mumapstomu^2$ is an automorphism, we get that $sigma^{5}(u_2)=u_1$ must be in $V$ as well. But $u_1, u_2,dots, u_9$ are nine LI vectors, so we'd get that $V$ had dimension at least $7$ which it does not.
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    – ancientmathematician
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    On the other hand $V$ is clearly closed under the automorphism $mumapstomu^{-1}$ ...
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    Dec 14 '18 at 10:24


















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Let $V$ be the $mathbb{Q}$ vector space spanned by $u_j, j in [2,7]$. Show it is isomorphic to $mathbb{Q}[mu]$. When looking at $x_n, gcd(n,9) = 1$, you are looking at $v in V mapsto ( sigma_1(v), ldots,sigma_6(v)) in W subset mathbb{Q}[mu]^6, sigma_l in Gal(mathbb{Q}[mu]/mathbb{Q})$ and again $W cong mathbb{Q}[mu]$. Then $A$ is a linear map $mathbb{Q}[mu]^6 to mathbb{Q}[mu^3]^3$ which can be defined over $mathbb{Q}$.
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Let $V$ be the $mathbb{Q}$ vector space spanned by $u_j, j in [2,7]$. Show it is isomorphic to $mathbb{Q}[mu]$. When looking at $x_n, gcd(n,9) = 1$, you are looking at $v in V mapsto ( sigma_1(v), ldots,sigma_6(v)) in W subset mathbb{Q}[mu]^6, sigma_l in Gal(mathbb{Q}[mu]/mathbb{Q})$ and again $W cong mathbb{Q}[mu]$. Then $A$ is a linear map $mathbb{Q}[mu]^6 to mathbb{Q}[mu^3]^3$ which can be defined over $mathbb{Q}$.
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@reuns: what is $W$ here again ... ? So what is the extension degree ?
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@reuns: what is $W$ here again ... ? So what is the extension degree ?
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Now that you know $Lsubseteq mathbb{Q}(mu)$ I think it would be better to replace $mathbb{C}$ by $mathbb{Q}(mu)$. (And I have done this before my next comment!)
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Now that you know $Lsubseteq mathbb{Q}(mu)$ I think it would be better to replace $mathbb{C}$ by $mathbb{Q}(mu)$. (And I have done this before my next comment!)
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I don't think I agree with @reuns . If $A$ is rational then $V$ will be closed under the operation of applying the Galois Group of $mathbb{Q}(mu)$ to the components of the vectors. Then as $u_2in V$ and $sigma: mumapstomu^2$ is an automorphism, we get that $sigma^{5}(u_2)=u_1$ must be in $V$ as well. But $u_1, u_2,dots, u_9$ are nine LI vectors, so we'd get that $V$ had dimension at least $7$ which it does not.
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I don't think I agree with @reuns . If $A$ is rational then $V$ will be closed under the operation of applying the Galois Group of $mathbb{Q}(mu)$ to the components of the vectors. Then as $u_2in V$ and $sigma: mumapstomu^2$ is an automorphism, we get that $sigma^{5}(u_2)=u_1$ must be in $V$ as well. But $u_1, u_2,dots, u_9$ are nine LI vectors, so we'd get that $V$ had dimension at least $7$ which it does not.
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On the other hand $V$ is clearly closed under the automorphism $mumapstomu^{-1}$ ...
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Let's re-write slightly using the facts you have established.



Let $K=mathbb{Q}[mu]$ where $mu$ is a primitive $9$-th root of unity. For $j=0,dots, 8$ let $u_j$ be the column vector whose $i$-th component (for $i=0,dots, 8$) is $mu^{ji}$.



Let $M$ be the matrix whose columns are $u_0,dots, u_8$. Note that we have the orthogonality conditions $bar{M}^{T}M=9I$. Amongst other things this shows that the nine columns are linearly independent.



It is convenient to re-order the rows and columns in this order: $0,3,6,1,2,4,8,7,5$.



Let $V$ be the $K$-span of $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$.



We are given that $V$ is the null space of some $B:=[I_3 A]$, and that the $A$ in question is unique. Again, for convenience we've replaced $A$ of the question by its negative. Let us then find $A$ explicitly.



As the columns $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$ are in the null space of $B$ the rows of $B$ are orthogonal to these six vectors. However, by the orthogonality relations we have that the three rows $bar{u_{0}}^T,bar{u_{1}}^T,bar{u_{8}}^T$ are orthogonal to the six vectors. These three rows form the matrix
$$
B_1:=begin{bmatrix}
1 & 1 & 1 &1 & 1 & 1 &1 & 1 & 1\
1 & omega^2 & omega &mu^{-1} & mu^{-2} & mu^{-4}&mu & mu^2 & mu^4\
1 & omega & omega^2 &mu & mu^2 & mu^4 &mu^{-1} & mu^{-2} & mu^{-4}\
end{bmatrix}=[Omega Delta bar{Delta}], text{ say,}
$$

where $omega:=mu^3$.



Now $bar{Omega}^{T}B_1$ also annihilates the six vectors $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$, and as $Omega$ also satisfies the orthogonality conditions we have
$$
bar{Omega}^{T}B_1=[ 3I (bar{Omega}^{T}Delta) (bar{Omega}^{T}bar{Delta})].
$$



By the uniqueness of $A$, then, we have
$$
A=frac{1}{3}[(bar{Omega}^{T}Delta) (bar{Omega}^{T}bar{Delta})].
$$



It is now routine to calculate the entries of $A$. They all lie in the degree $3$ extension $mathbb{Q} [mu+mu^{-1}, mu^2+mu^{-2},mu^4+mu^{-4}]$ and they are not all rational.






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    Let's re-write slightly using the facts you have established.



    Let $K=mathbb{Q}[mu]$ where $mu$ is a primitive $9$-th root of unity. For $j=0,dots, 8$ let $u_j$ be the column vector whose $i$-th component (for $i=0,dots, 8$) is $mu^{ji}$.



    Let $M$ be the matrix whose columns are $u_0,dots, u_8$. Note that we have the orthogonality conditions $bar{M}^{T}M=9I$. Amongst other things this shows that the nine columns are linearly independent.



    It is convenient to re-order the rows and columns in this order: $0,3,6,1,2,4,8,7,5$.



    Let $V$ be the $K$-span of $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$.



    We are given that $V$ is the null space of some $B:=[I_3 A]$, and that the $A$ in question is unique. Again, for convenience we've replaced $A$ of the question by its negative. Let us then find $A$ explicitly.



    As the columns $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$ are in the null space of $B$ the rows of $B$ are orthogonal to these six vectors. However, by the orthogonality relations we have that the three rows $bar{u_{0}}^T,bar{u_{1}}^T,bar{u_{8}}^T$ are orthogonal to the six vectors. These three rows form the matrix
    $$
    B_1:=begin{bmatrix}
    1 & 1 & 1 &1 & 1 & 1 &1 & 1 & 1\
    1 & omega^2 & omega &mu^{-1} & mu^{-2} & mu^{-4}&mu & mu^2 & mu^4\
    1 & omega & omega^2 &mu & mu^2 & mu^4 &mu^{-1} & mu^{-2} & mu^{-4}\
    end{bmatrix}=[Omega Delta bar{Delta}], text{ say,}
    $$

    where $omega:=mu^3$.



    Now $bar{Omega}^{T}B_1$ also annihilates the six vectors $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$, and as $Omega$ also satisfies the orthogonality conditions we have
    $$
    bar{Omega}^{T}B_1=[ 3I (bar{Omega}^{T}Delta) (bar{Omega}^{T}bar{Delta})].
    $$



    By the uniqueness of $A$, then, we have
    $$
    A=frac{1}{3}[(bar{Omega}^{T}Delta) (bar{Omega}^{T}bar{Delta})].
    $$



    It is now routine to calculate the entries of $A$. They all lie in the degree $3$ extension $mathbb{Q} [mu+mu^{-1}, mu^2+mu^{-2},mu^4+mu^{-4}]$ and they are not all rational.






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      Let's re-write slightly using the facts you have established.



      Let $K=mathbb{Q}[mu]$ where $mu$ is a primitive $9$-th root of unity. For $j=0,dots, 8$ let $u_j$ be the column vector whose $i$-th component (for $i=0,dots, 8$) is $mu^{ji}$.



      Let $M$ be the matrix whose columns are $u_0,dots, u_8$. Note that we have the orthogonality conditions $bar{M}^{T}M=9I$. Amongst other things this shows that the nine columns are linearly independent.



      It is convenient to re-order the rows and columns in this order: $0,3,6,1,2,4,8,7,5$.



      Let $V$ be the $K$-span of $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$.



      We are given that $V$ is the null space of some $B:=[I_3 A]$, and that the $A$ in question is unique. Again, for convenience we've replaced $A$ of the question by its negative. Let us then find $A$ explicitly.



      As the columns $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$ are in the null space of $B$ the rows of $B$ are orthogonal to these six vectors. However, by the orthogonality relations we have that the three rows $bar{u_{0}}^T,bar{u_{1}}^T,bar{u_{8}}^T$ are orthogonal to the six vectors. These three rows form the matrix
      $$
      B_1:=begin{bmatrix}
      1 & 1 & 1 &1 & 1 & 1 &1 & 1 & 1\
      1 & omega^2 & omega &mu^{-1} & mu^{-2} & mu^{-4}&mu & mu^2 & mu^4\
      1 & omega & omega^2 &mu & mu^2 & mu^4 &mu^{-1} & mu^{-2} & mu^{-4}\
      end{bmatrix}=[Omega Delta bar{Delta}], text{ say,}
      $$

      where $omega:=mu^3$.



      Now $bar{Omega}^{T}B_1$ also annihilates the six vectors $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$, and as $Omega$ also satisfies the orthogonality conditions we have
      $$
      bar{Omega}^{T}B_1=[ 3I (bar{Omega}^{T}Delta) (bar{Omega}^{T}bar{Delta})].
      $$



      By the uniqueness of $A$, then, we have
      $$
      A=frac{1}{3}[(bar{Omega}^{T}Delta) (bar{Omega}^{T}bar{Delta})].
      $$



      It is now routine to calculate the entries of $A$. They all lie in the degree $3$ extension $mathbb{Q} [mu+mu^{-1}, mu^2+mu^{-2},mu^4+mu^{-4}]$ and they are not all rational.






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        Let's re-write slightly using the facts you have established.



        Let $K=mathbb{Q}[mu]$ where $mu$ is a primitive $9$-th root of unity. For $j=0,dots, 8$ let $u_j$ be the column vector whose $i$-th component (for $i=0,dots, 8$) is $mu^{ji}$.



        Let $M$ be the matrix whose columns are $u_0,dots, u_8$. Note that we have the orthogonality conditions $bar{M}^{T}M=9I$. Amongst other things this shows that the nine columns are linearly independent.



        It is convenient to re-order the rows and columns in this order: $0,3,6,1,2,4,8,7,5$.



        Let $V$ be the $K$-span of $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$.



        We are given that $V$ is the null space of some $B:=[I_3 A]$, and that the $A$ in question is unique. Again, for convenience we've replaced $A$ of the question by its negative. Let us then find $A$ explicitly.



        As the columns $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$ are in the null space of $B$ the rows of $B$ are orthogonal to these six vectors. However, by the orthogonality relations we have that the three rows $bar{u_{0}}^T,bar{u_{1}}^T,bar{u_{8}}^T$ are orthogonal to the six vectors. These three rows form the matrix
        $$
        B_1:=begin{bmatrix}
        1 & 1 & 1 &1 & 1 & 1 &1 & 1 & 1\
        1 & omega^2 & omega &mu^{-1} & mu^{-2} & mu^{-4}&mu & mu^2 & mu^4\
        1 & omega & omega^2 &mu & mu^2 & mu^4 &mu^{-1} & mu^{-2} & mu^{-4}\
        end{bmatrix}=[Omega Delta bar{Delta}], text{ say,}
        $$

        where $omega:=mu^3$.



        Now $bar{Omega}^{T}B_1$ also annihilates the six vectors $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$, and as $Omega$ also satisfies the orthogonality conditions we have
        $$
        bar{Omega}^{T}B_1=[ 3I (bar{Omega}^{T}Delta) (bar{Omega}^{T}bar{Delta})].
        $$



        By the uniqueness of $A$, then, we have
        $$
        A=frac{1}{3}[(bar{Omega}^{T}Delta) (bar{Omega}^{T}bar{Delta})].
        $$



        It is now routine to calculate the entries of $A$. They all lie in the degree $3$ extension $mathbb{Q} [mu+mu^{-1}, mu^2+mu^{-2},mu^4+mu^{-4}]$ and they are not all rational.






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        Let's re-write slightly using the facts you have established.



        Let $K=mathbb{Q}[mu]$ where $mu$ is a primitive $9$-th root of unity. For $j=0,dots, 8$ let $u_j$ be the column vector whose $i$-th component (for $i=0,dots, 8$) is $mu^{ji}$.



        Let $M$ be the matrix whose columns are $u_0,dots, u_8$. Note that we have the orthogonality conditions $bar{M}^{T}M=9I$. Amongst other things this shows that the nine columns are linearly independent.



        It is convenient to re-order the rows and columns in this order: $0,3,6,1,2,4,8,7,5$.



        Let $V$ be the $K$-span of $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$.



        We are given that $V$ is the null space of some $B:=[I_3 A]$, and that the $A$ in question is unique. Again, for convenience we've replaced $A$ of the question by its negative. Let us then find $A$ explicitly.



        As the columns $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$ are in the null space of $B$ the rows of $B$ are orthogonal to these six vectors. However, by the orthogonality relations we have that the three rows $bar{u_{0}}^T,bar{u_{1}}^T,bar{u_{8}}^T$ are orthogonal to the six vectors. These three rows form the matrix
        $$
        B_1:=begin{bmatrix}
        1 & 1 & 1 &1 & 1 & 1 &1 & 1 & 1\
        1 & omega^2 & omega &mu^{-1} & mu^{-2} & mu^{-4}&mu & mu^2 & mu^4\
        1 & omega & omega^2 &mu & mu^2 & mu^4 &mu^{-1} & mu^{-2} & mu^{-4}\
        end{bmatrix}=[Omega Delta bar{Delta}], text{ say,}
        $$

        where $omega:=mu^3$.



        Now $bar{Omega}^{T}B_1$ also annihilates the six vectors $u_2,u_3,u_4,u_4,u_6,u_7$, and as $Omega$ also satisfies the orthogonality conditions we have
        $$
        bar{Omega}^{T}B_1=[ 3I (bar{Omega}^{T}Delta) (bar{Omega}^{T}bar{Delta})].
        $$



        By the uniqueness of $A$, then, we have
        $$
        A=frac{1}{3}[(bar{Omega}^{T}Delta) (bar{Omega}^{T}bar{Delta})].
        $$



        It is now routine to calculate the entries of $A$. They all lie in the degree $3$ extension $mathbb{Q} [mu+mu^{-1}, mu^2+mu^{-2},mu^4+mu^{-4}]$ and they are not all rational.







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