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Let $X$ be a compact metric space and $mathcal B$ be its Borel $sigma$-algebra.
Let $mu$ be a Borel probability measure on $X$ and $T:Xto X$ me an invertible measure preserving transformation.
Let $U_T:L^2(X, mu)to L^2(X, mu)$ be the associated Koopman operator.
Let $mathcal A$ be the smallest sub-$sigma$-algebra on $X$ with respect to which all the eigenfunctions of $U_T$ are measurable.
Theorem 6.10 in Einsiedler and Ward's Ergodic Theory with a View Towards Number Theory [EW] states the following:




Theorem. The factor of $(X, mathcal B, mu, T)$ corresponding to $mathcal A$ is the largest factor of $(X, mathcal B, mu, T)$ which is omorphic to a rotation on some compact abelian group.




I do not follow why are we allowed to use the definite article "the" when asking for a factor corresponding to the sub-$sigma$-algebra $mathcal A$.



I ask this question because the following theorem [EW, Theorem 6.5] only guarantees 'a' factor.




Theorem. Let $(X, mathcal B, mu, T)$ be a measure preserving system, where $X$ is a compact metric space and $mathcal B$ is its Borel $sigma$-algebra.
Let $mathcal A$ be a $T$-invariant sub-$sigma$-algebra on $mathcal B$.
Then there is a measure preserving system $(Y, mathcal B_Y, nu, S)$, where $Y$ is a compact metric space with Borel $sigma$-algebra $mathcal B_Y$, and a factor map $phi:Xto Y$ with $mathcal A=phi^{-1}(mathcal B_Y)pmod mu$.




Is is perhaps true that any two factors corresponding to a given sub-$sigma$-algerba $mathcal A$ are isomorphic?



P.S. I have changed the wording of the theorems I have taken from [EW]. Also, in [EW] the theorems are stated for Borel probability spaces, which are more general than compact metric spaces.










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    Lemma $5.25$ from EW gives a map between two such factors. I think you can prove some quasi-uniqueness statement about two maps arising from this lemma.
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  • I think your comment solves my issue. Can you frame it as an answer so that I can accept? Thanks.
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  • Please read chapter $7$ and answer my question =D
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  • @Unpud I don't follow. Your question?
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    I was reading the proof of Roth's theorem when I had to go back and read some material from Chapter 6. It will take me some time to start with the proof again since I need to first understand the basics about factors. In case I figure it out I will sure post an answer.
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Let $X$ be a compact metric space and $mathcal B$ be its Borel $sigma$-algebra.
Let $mu$ be a Borel probability measure on $X$ and $T:Xto X$ me an invertible measure preserving transformation.
Let $U_T:L^2(X, mu)to L^2(X, mu)$ be the associated Koopman operator.
Let $mathcal A$ be the smallest sub-$sigma$-algebra on $X$ with respect to which all the eigenfunctions of $U_T$ are measurable.
Theorem 6.10 in Einsiedler and Ward's Ergodic Theory with a View Towards Number Theory [EW] states the following:




Theorem. The factor of $(X, mathcal B, mu, T)$ corresponding to $mathcal A$ is the largest factor of $(X, mathcal B, mu, T)$ which is omorphic to a rotation on some compact abelian group.




I do not follow why are we allowed to use the definite article "the" when asking for a factor corresponding to the sub-$sigma$-algebra $mathcal A$.



I ask this question because the following theorem [EW, Theorem 6.5] only guarantees 'a' factor.




Theorem. Let $(X, mathcal B, mu, T)$ be a measure preserving system, where $X$ is a compact metric space and $mathcal B$ is its Borel $sigma$-algebra.
Let $mathcal A$ be a $T$-invariant sub-$sigma$-algebra on $mathcal B$.
Then there is a measure preserving system $(Y, mathcal B_Y, nu, S)$, where $Y$ is a compact metric space with Borel $sigma$-algebra $mathcal B_Y$, and a factor map $phi:Xto Y$ with $mathcal A=phi^{-1}(mathcal B_Y)pmod mu$.




Is is perhaps true that any two factors corresponding to a given sub-$sigma$-algerba $mathcal A$ are isomorphic?



P.S. I have changed the wording of the theorems I have taken from [EW]. Also, in [EW] the theorems are stated for Borel probability spaces, which are more general than compact metric spaces.










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    Lemma $5.25$ from EW gives a map between two such factors. I think you can prove some quasi-uniqueness statement about two maps arising from this lemma.
    – Unpud
    Nov 18 at 19:04












  • I think your comment solves my issue. Can you frame it as an answer so that I can accept? Thanks.
    – caffeinemachine
    Nov 18 at 19:07










  • Please read chapter $7$ and answer my question =D
    – Unpud
    Nov 18 at 19:10










  • @Unpud I don't follow. Your question?
    – caffeinemachine
    Nov 18 at 19:25






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    I was reading the proof of Roth's theorem when I had to go back and read some material from Chapter 6. It will take me some time to start with the proof again since I need to first understand the basics about factors. In case I figure it out I will sure post an answer.
    – caffeinemachine
    Nov 19 at 9:03













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Let $X$ be a compact metric space and $mathcal B$ be its Borel $sigma$-algebra.
Let $mu$ be a Borel probability measure on $X$ and $T:Xto X$ me an invertible measure preserving transformation.
Let $U_T:L^2(X, mu)to L^2(X, mu)$ be the associated Koopman operator.
Let $mathcal A$ be the smallest sub-$sigma$-algebra on $X$ with respect to which all the eigenfunctions of $U_T$ are measurable.
Theorem 6.10 in Einsiedler and Ward's Ergodic Theory with a View Towards Number Theory [EW] states the following:




Theorem. The factor of $(X, mathcal B, mu, T)$ corresponding to $mathcal A$ is the largest factor of $(X, mathcal B, mu, T)$ which is omorphic to a rotation on some compact abelian group.




I do not follow why are we allowed to use the definite article "the" when asking for a factor corresponding to the sub-$sigma$-algebra $mathcal A$.



I ask this question because the following theorem [EW, Theorem 6.5] only guarantees 'a' factor.




Theorem. Let $(X, mathcal B, mu, T)$ be a measure preserving system, where $X$ is a compact metric space and $mathcal B$ is its Borel $sigma$-algebra.
Let $mathcal A$ be a $T$-invariant sub-$sigma$-algebra on $mathcal B$.
Then there is a measure preserving system $(Y, mathcal B_Y, nu, S)$, where $Y$ is a compact metric space with Borel $sigma$-algebra $mathcal B_Y$, and a factor map $phi:Xto Y$ with $mathcal A=phi^{-1}(mathcal B_Y)pmod mu$.




Is is perhaps true that any two factors corresponding to a given sub-$sigma$-algerba $mathcal A$ are isomorphic?



P.S. I have changed the wording of the theorems I have taken from [EW]. Also, in [EW] the theorems are stated for Borel probability spaces, which are more general than compact metric spaces.










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Let $X$ be a compact metric space and $mathcal B$ be its Borel $sigma$-algebra.
Let $mu$ be a Borel probability measure on $X$ and $T:Xto X$ me an invertible measure preserving transformation.
Let $U_T:L^2(X, mu)to L^2(X, mu)$ be the associated Koopman operator.
Let $mathcal A$ be the smallest sub-$sigma$-algebra on $X$ with respect to which all the eigenfunctions of $U_T$ are measurable.
Theorem 6.10 in Einsiedler and Ward's Ergodic Theory with a View Towards Number Theory [EW] states the following:




Theorem. The factor of $(X, mathcal B, mu, T)$ corresponding to $mathcal A$ is the largest factor of $(X, mathcal B, mu, T)$ which is omorphic to a rotation on some compact abelian group.




I do not follow why are we allowed to use the definite article "the" when asking for a factor corresponding to the sub-$sigma$-algebra $mathcal A$.



I ask this question because the following theorem [EW, Theorem 6.5] only guarantees 'a' factor.




Theorem. Let $(X, mathcal B, mu, T)$ be a measure preserving system, where $X$ is a compact metric space and $mathcal B$ is its Borel $sigma$-algebra.
Let $mathcal A$ be a $T$-invariant sub-$sigma$-algebra on $mathcal B$.
Then there is a measure preserving system $(Y, mathcal B_Y, nu, S)$, where $Y$ is a compact metric space with Borel $sigma$-algebra $mathcal B_Y$, and a factor map $phi:Xto Y$ with $mathcal A=phi^{-1}(mathcal B_Y)pmod mu$.




Is is perhaps true that any two factors corresponding to a given sub-$sigma$-algerba $mathcal A$ are isomorphic?



P.S. I have changed the wording of the theorems I have taken from [EW]. Also, in [EW] the theorems are stated for Borel probability spaces, which are more general than compact metric spaces.







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    Lemma $5.25$ from EW gives a map between two such factors. I think you can prove some quasi-uniqueness statement about two maps arising from this lemma.
    – Unpud
    Nov 18 at 19:04












  • I think your comment solves my issue. Can you frame it as an answer so that I can accept? Thanks.
    – caffeinemachine
    Nov 18 at 19:07










  • Please read chapter $7$ and answer my question =D
    – Unpud
    Nov 18 at 19:10










  • @Unpud I don't follow. Your question?
    – caffeinemachine
    Nov 18 at 19:25






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    I was reading the proof of Roth's theorem when I had to go back and read some material from Chapter 6. It will take me some time to start with the proof again since I need to first understand the basics about factors. In case I figure it out I will sure post an answer.
    – caffeinemachine
    Nov 19 at 9:03














  • 1




    Lemma $5.25$ from EW gives a map between two such factors. I think you can prove some quasi-uniqueness statement about two maps arising from this lemma.
    – Unpud
    Nov 18 at 19:04












  • I think your comment solves my issue. Can you frame it as an answer so that I can accept? Thanks.
    – caffeinemachine
    Nov 18 at 19:07










  • Please read chapter $7$ and answer my question =D
    – Unpud
    Nov 18 at 19:10










  • @Unpud I don't follow. Your question?
    – caffeinemachine
    Nov 18 at 19:25






  • 1




    I was reading the proof of Roth's theorem when I had to go back and read some material from Chapter 6. It will take me some time to start with the proof again since I need to first understand the basics about factors. In case I figure it out I will sure post an answer.
    – caffeinemachine
    Nov 19 at 9:03








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Lemma $5.25$ from EW gives a map between two such factors. I think you can prove some quasi-uniqueness statement about two maps arising from this lemma.
– Unpud
Nov 18 at 19:04






Lemma $5.25$ from EW gives a map between two such factors. I think you can prove some quasi-uniqueness statement about two maps arising from this lemma.
– Unpud
Nov 18 at 19:04














I think your comment solves my issue. Can you frame it as an answer so that I can accept? Thanks.
– caffeinemachine
Nov 18 at 19:07




I think your comment solves my issue. Can you frame it as an answer so that I can accept? Thanks.
– caffeinemachine
Nov 18 at 19:07












Please read chapter $7$ and answer my question =D
– Unpud
Nov 18 at 19:10




Please read chapter $7$ and answer my question =D
– Unpud
Nov 18 at 19:10












@Unpud I don't follow. Your question?
– caffeinemachine
Nov 18 at 19:25




@Unpud I don't follow. Your question?
– caffeinemachine
Nov 18 at 19:25




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I was reading the proof of Roth's theorem when I had to go back and read some material from Chapter 6. It will take me some time to start with the proof again since I need to first understand the basics about factors. In case I figure it out I will sure post an answer.
– caffeinemachine
Nov 19 at 9:03




I was reading the proof of Roth's theorem when I had to go back and read some material from Chapter 6. It will take me some time to start with the proof again since I need to first understand the basics about factors. In case I figure it out I will sure post an answer.
– caffeinemachine
Nov 19 at 9:03










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