Inequality equation of a Triangle











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I have divided the Problem into two parts, a) and b):



a) Let $a$, $b$ and $c$ be the side lengths of a triangle with a perimeter of $4$.
I need to prove that



$a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + abc < 8$.



b) And is there a real number $d<8$ such that for each triangle with the perimeter $4$, the inequality equation



$a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + abc <d$



is valid?



I tried to use Heron's Formula somehow for the first inequality equation.



$s , = , frac{a+b+c}{2}$



and



$F_{triangle} = sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}$



Now we have:



$2s=4$ so that $s=2$



Thus:



$F_{triangle} = sqrt{2(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)}$



Maybe we can exchange $F_{triangle}$ somehow?



Has anyone another approach or an idea how to continue with Heron's formula?



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  • what do you mean by circumference of a triangle? Are you referring to the perimeter?
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I have divided the Problem into two parts, a) and b):



a) Let $a$, $b$ and $c$ be the side lengths of a triangle with a perimeter of $4$.
I need to prove that



$a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + abc < 8$.



b) And is there a real number $d<8$ such that for each triangle with the perimeter $4$, the inequality equation



$a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + abc <d$



is valid?



I tried to use Heron's Formula somehow for the first inequality equation.



$s , = , frac{a+b+c}{2}$



and



$F_{triangle} = sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}$



Now we have:



$2s=4$ so that $s=2$



Thus:



$F_{triangle} = sqrt{2(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)}$



Maybe we can exchange $F_{triangle}$ somehow?



Has anyone another approach or an idea how to continue with Heron's formula?



Thx










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  • what do you mean by circumference of a triangle? Are you referring to the perimeter?
    – Anurag A
    Nov 18 at 18:27










  • Yes, I'll change it...
    – calculatormathematical
    Nov 18 at 18:28













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I have divided the Problem into two parts, a) and b):



a) Let $a$, $b$ and $c$ be the side lengths of a triangle with a perimeter of $4$.
I need to prove that



$a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + abc < 8$.



b) And is there a real number $d<8$ such that for each triangle with the perimeter $4$, the inequality equation



$a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + abc <d$



is valid?



I tried to use Heron's Formula somehow for the first inequality equation.



$s , = , frac{a+b+c}{2}$



and



$F_{triangle} = sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}$



Now we have:



$2s=4$ so that $s=2$



Thus:



$F_{triangle} = sqrt{2(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)}$



Maybe we can exchange $F_{triangle}$ somehow?



Has anyone another approach or an idea how to continue with Heron's formula?



Thx










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I have divided the Problem into two parts, a) and b):



a) Let $a$, $b$ and $c$ be the side lengths of a triangle with a perimeter of $4$.
I need to prove that



$a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + abc < 8$.



b) And is there a real number $d<8$ such that for each triangle with the perimeter $4$, the inequality equation



$a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + abc <d$



is valid?



I tried to use Heron's Formula somehow for the first inequality equation.



$s , = , frac{a+b+c}{2}$



and



$F_{triangle} = sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}$



Now we have:



$2s=4$ so that $s=2$



Thus:



$F_{triangle} = sqrt{2(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)}$



Maybe we can exchange $F_{triangle}$ somehow?



Has anyone another approach or an idea how to continue with Heron's formula?



Thx







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  • what do you mean by circumference of a triangle? Are you referring to the perimeter?
    – Anurag A
    Nov 18 at 18:27










  • Yes, I'll change it...
    – calculatormathematical
    Nov 18 at 18:28


















  • what do you mean by circumference of a triangle? Are you referring to the perimeter?
    – Anurag A
    Nov 18 at 18:27










  • Yes, I'll change it...
    – calculatormathematical
    Nov 18 at 18:28
















what do you mean by circumference of a triangle? Are you referring to the perimeter?
– Anurag A
Nov 18 at 18:27




what do you mean by circumference of a triangle? Are you referring to the perimeter?
– Anurag A
Nov 18 at 18:27












Yes, I'll change it...
– calculatormathematical
Nov 18 at 18:28




Yes, I'll change it...
– calculatormathematical
Nov 18 at 18:28










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a) Because of $a+b+c=4$, you have
$${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}={(a+b+c)^2}-2(ab+bc+ac)=4(a+b+c)-2(ab+bc+ac)$$
Therefore
$${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc=4(a+b+c)-2(ab+bc+ac)+abc=8-(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)$$



By triangle-inequality $b+c>a$ $$Rightarrow4=a+b+c>a+a=2aRightarrow2>a$$
Analugously you can prove that $2>b$ and $2>c$.



Thus
$${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc=8-(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)<8$$



b) This inequality for $d<8$ isn't necessarily valid. Let for instance $k=1-frac{d}{8}>0$.



Let furthermore $$a=b=2-k>0 $$
Hence $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc>{a^2}+{b^2}=2{(2-k)^2}=8-8k+{k^2}>8-8k=d$$ which contradicts the condition $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc<d$$






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    a) Because of $a+b+c=4$, you have
    $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}={(a+b+c)^2}-2(ab+bc+ac)=4(a+b+c)-2(ab+bc+ac)$$
    Therefore
    $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc=4(a+b+c)-2(ab+bc+ac)+abc=8-(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)$$



    By triangle-inequality $b+c>a$ $$Rightarrow4=a+b+c>a+a=2aRightarrow2>a$$
    Analugously you can prove that $2>b$ and $2>c$.



    Thus
    $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc=8-(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)<8$$



    b) This inequality for $d<8$ isn't necessarily valid. Let for instance $k=1-frac{d}{8}>0$.



    Let furthermore $$a=b=2-k>0 $$
    Hence $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc>{a^2}+{b^2}=2{(2-k)^2}=8-8k+{k^2}>8-8k=d$$ which contradicts the condition $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc<d$$






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      a) Because of $a+b+c=4$, you have
      $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}={(a+b+c)^2}-2(ab+bc+ac)=4(a+b+c)-2(ab+bc+ac)$$
      Therefore
      $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc=4(a+b+c)-2(ab+bc+ac)+abc=8-(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)$$



      By triangle-inequality $b+c>a$ $$Rightarrow4=a+b+c>a+a=2aRightarrow2>a$$
      Analugously you can prove that $2>b$ and $2>c$.



      Thus
      $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc=8-(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)<8$$



      b) This inequality for $d<8$ isn't necessarily valid. Let for instance $k=1-frac{d}{8}>0$.



      Let furthermore $$a=b=2-k>0 $$
      Hence $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc>{a^2}+{b^2}=2{(2-k)^2}=8-8k+{k^2}>8-8k=d$$ which contradicts the condition $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc<d$$






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        a) Because of $a+b+c=4$, you have
        $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}={(a+b+c)^2}-2(ab+bc+ac)=4(a+b+c)-2(ab+bc+ac)$$
        Therefore
        $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc=4(a+b+c)-2(ab+bc+ac)+abc=8-(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)$$



        By triangle-inequality $b+c>a$ $$Rightarrow4=a+b+c>a+a=2aRightarrow2>a$$
        Analugously you can prove that $2>b$ and $2>c$.



        Thus
        $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc=8-(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)<8$$



        b) This inequality for $d<8$ isn't necessarily valid. Let for instance $k=1-frac{d}{8}>0$.



        Let furthermore $$a=b=2-k>0 $$
        Hence $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc>{a^2}+{b^2}=2{(2-k)^2}=8-8k+{k^2}>8-8k=d$$ which contradicts the condition $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc<d$$






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        a) Because of $a+b+c=4$, you have
        $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}={(a+b+c)^2}-2(ab+bc+ac)=4(a+b+c)-2(ab+bc+ac)$$
        Therefore
        $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc=4(a+b+c)-2(ab+bc+ac)+abc=8-(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)$$



        By triangle-inequality $b+c>a$ $$Rightarrow4=a+b+c>a+a=2aRightarrow2>a$$
        Analugously you can prove that $2>b$ and $2>c$.



        Thus
        $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc=8-(2-a)(2-b)(2-c)<8$$



        b) This inequality for $d<8$ isn't necessarily valid. Let for instance $k=1-frac{d}{8}>0$.



        Let furthermore $$a=b=2-k>0 $$
        Hence $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc>{a^2}+{b^2}=2{(2-k)^2}=8-8k+{k^2}>8-8k=d$$ which contradicts the condition $${a^2}+{b^2}+{c^2}+abc<d$$







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