Derive $sum_{s=r}^{infty} binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=0 $ using an identity $(1 + x)^ m (1 + x)^{ -(r+1)} =...












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To prove:
$$sum_{s=r}^{infty}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=0 $$



Use the identity: $$(1 + x)^
m (1 + x)^{
-(r+1)} = (1 + x)^{
m-r-1}$$




I have trouble understanding the hint, could somebody help me understand what is meant?



Hint: use the generating function for negative powers of $1+x$ to determine the coefficient of $x^{
m−r}$

in left and right hand
side of this identity, this coefficient is $0$. Why? Then derive the result by suitable substitutions of the summation variables.



I specifically don't understand what is meant with "using the generating function for negative powers of $1+x$ " and determining the coefficient related to $x^{m-r}$



The formula for negative powers would give me:



$$(1+x)^{-n} = sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{-n}{k}x^k$$



If I would write this out for both sides I get:
$$ sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{m}{k}x^k sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{-(r+1)}{k}x^k = sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{m-r-1}{k}x^k$$



I know I can determine the coefficient of $x^n$ by writing $sum a_k b_{n-k}=c_n$.










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To prove:
$$sum_{s=r}^{infty}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=0 $$



Use the identity: $$(1 + x)^
m (1 + x)^{
-(r+1)} = (1 + x)^{
m-r-1}$$




I have trouble understanding the hint, could somebody help me understand what is meant?



Hint: use the generating function for negative powers of $1+x$ to determine the coefficient of $x^{
m−r}$

in left and right hand
side of this identity, this coefficient is $0$. Why? Then derive the result by suitable substitutions of the summation variables.



I specifically don't understand what is meant with "using the generating function for negative powers of $1+x$ " and determining the coefficient related to $x^{m-r}$



The formula for negative powers would give me:



$$(1+x)^{-n} = sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{-n}{k}x^k$$



If I would write this out for both sides I get:
$$ sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{m}{k}x^k sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{-(r+1)}{k}x^k = sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{m-r-1}{k}x^k$$



I know I can determine the coefficient of $x^n$ by writing $sum a_k b_{n-k}=c_n$.










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    Is there a missing sum sign somewhere in your first equation?
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    – Connor Harris
    Nov 30 '18 at 17:15










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    Yes, I made some typos with the indices and summations
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To prove:
$$sum_{s=r}^{infty}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=0 $$



Use the identity: $$(1 + x)^
m (1 + x)^{
-(r+1)} = (1 + x)^{
m-r-1}$$




I have trouble understanding the hint, could somebody help me understand what is meant?



Hint: use the generating function for negative powers of $1+x$ to determine the coefficient of $x^{
m−r}$

in left and right hand
side of this identity, this coefficient is $0$. Why? Then derive the result by suitable substitutions of the summation variables.



I specifically don't understand what is meant with "using the generating function for negative powers of $1+x$ " and determining the coefficient related to $x^{m-r}$



The formula for negative powers would give me:



$$(1+x)^{-n} = sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{-n}{k}x^k$$



If I would write this out for both sides I get:
$$ sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{m}{k}x^k sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{-(r+1)}{k}x^k = sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{m-r-1}{k}x^k$$



I know I can determine the coefficient of $x^n$ by writing $sum a_k b_{n-k}=c_n$.










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To prove:
$$sum_{s=r}^{infty}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=0 $$



Use the identity: $$(1 + x)^
m (1 + x)^{
-(r+1)} = (1 + x)^{
m-r-1}$$




I have trouble understanding the hint, could somebody help me understand what is meant?



Hint: use the generating function for negative powers of $1+x$ to determine the coefficient of $x^{
m−r}$

in left and right hand
side of this identity, this coefficient is $0$. Why? Then derive the result by suitable substitutions of the summation variables.



I specifically don't understand what is meant with "using the generating function for negative powers of $1+x$ " and determining the coefficient related to $x^{m-r}$



The formula for negative powers would give me:



$$(1+x)^{-n} = sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{-n}{k}x^k$$



If I would write this out for both sides I get:
$$ sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{m}{k}x^k sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{-(r+1)}{k}x^k = sum_{k=0} ^{infty} binom{m-r-1}{k}x^k$$



I know I can determine the coefficient of $x^n$ by writing $sum a_k b_{n-k}=c_n$.







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    Is there a missing sum sign somewhere in your first equation?
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    – Connor Harris
    Nov 30 '18 at 17:15










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    Yes, I made some typos with the indices and summations
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    – Wesley Strik
    Nov 30 '18 at 22:52














  • 5




    $begingroup$
    Is there a missing sum sign somewhere in your first equation?
    $endgroup$
    – Connor Harris
    Nov 30 '18 at 17:15










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    Yes, I made some typos with the indices and summations
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    – Wesley Strik
    Nov 30 '18 at 22:52








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Is there a missing sum sign somewhere in your first equation?
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– Connor Harris
Nov 30 '18 at 17:15




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Is there a missing sum sign somewhere in your first equation?
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– Connor Harris
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Yes, I made some typos with the indices and summations
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– Wesley Strik
Nov 30 '18 at 22:52




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Yes, I made some typos with the indices and summations
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First of all, your formula for negative powers makes no sense. Your variables are all messed up. The power you're raising stuff to is $n$, which is also the index for your sum and $k$ is undefined. The formula on the RHS appears to be the expansion of $(1+x)^{-k}$, but I find its easiest to just recompute these things and doing so will give us a more convenient form of the formula anyway.



The correct approach is the following.



Start with the geometric series: $$frac{1}{1-x} = sum_{i=0}^infty x^i.$$
Then raise both sides to the $k$th power, to get
$$(1-x)^{-k} = left(sum_{i=0}^infty x^iright)^k.$$
The coefficient of $x^ell$ in the right hand side is the number of ways to choose $k$ distinct, ordered nonnegative integers that sum to $ell$. This is the stars and bars problem, and has the well known solution $binom{ell+k-1}{k-1}$.
Thus we have
$$(1-x)^{-k} = sum_{i=0}^infty binom{i+k-1}{k-1} x^i.$$
Finally, substitute $-x$ for $x$ to get
$$(1+x)^{-k} = sum_{i=0}^infty binom{i+k-1}{k-1} (-1)^i x^i.$$



I think this might be equivalent to the formula you've given, but nonetheless, I believe they want you to use this form of it, since it has the appropriate $(-1)^i$ that your formula is missing.



Now, if we multiply $(1+x)^m(1+x)^{-(r+1)}$, apply the formula and then take the coefficient of $m-r$, we get
$$sum_{s=0}^{m-r} binom{m}{s}binom{(m-r-s) + (r+1) -1}{(r+1)-1}(-1)^{m-s}$$
$$=sum_{s=0}^{m-r} binom{m}{s}binom{m-s}{r}(-1)^{m-s}.$$



Now if we reindex, with the new $s$ being $m-s$, we find that the sum runs from $r$ to $m$, and we have
$$=sum_{s=r}^m binom{m}{m-s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=sum_{s=r}^mbinom{m}{s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s.$$



The coefficient of $x^{m-r}$ on the right hand side is obviously zero, since the rhs has degree $m-r-1$, so we get
$$sum_{s=r}^mbinom{m}{s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=0,$$
as desired.






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Here is the combinatorial solution no one asked for.



First of all, when $m=r$ the actual value of the LHS is $(-1)^m$, so from now on assume $mneq r$. We will answer the following question in two ways:




How many of the size $r$ subsets of an $m$ element set have size equal to $m$?




Answer 1: Obviously zero, since $mneq r$, so there are no sets with sizes equal to both $m$ and $r$! (Note when $m=r$, this answer would instead be $1$).



Answer 2: We will answer this using inclusion exclusion. First, the total number of subsets of size $r$ is $binom{m}r$. For each element $i$ of the set, we must subtract the "bad" size $r$ subsets which do not contain $i$ (if a set has size unequal to $m$, it must be missing some element). There are $binom{m-1}r$ subsets of size $r$ which do not contain $i$, and $binom{m}1$ ways to choose $i$. But then we must add back in the double intersections, then subtract the triple intersections, and so on. The result is
$$
binom{m}0binom{m}r-binom{m}1binom{m-1}r+binom{m}2binom{m-2}r-dots=sum_{sge 0}(-1)^sbinom{m}sbinom{m-s}r
$$

which after some rearranging is $(-1)^m$ times the desired summation.






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    You're the unappreciated maths hero that nobody asked for, but, I'm glad you're around ^^
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Here is another combinatorial solution to the problem which no one asked for.



Assume, $m>r$. For a given $s$, $binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}$ counts the number of ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m},mid Xmid =s, mid Ymid =r$.



Given $(X,Y)$, let $x$ be the smallest element of ${1,2,...,m}$ such that $x$ is not in $Y$. Then define the involution $f((X,Y)) = (Xoplus x, Y )$.
$Bigg( Xoplus x=begin{cases}
Xsetminus {x} & xin X\
Xcup {x} & xnotin X\
end{cases}Bigg)
$



Therefore, $f((X,Y))$ is a bijection from the ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m} $ with $mid Xmid $ even to ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m} $ with $mid Xmid $ odd.



Hence, $$sum_limits {s even}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}=sum_limits {s odd}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}$$



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    First of all, your formula for negative powers makes no sense. Your variables are all messed up. The power you're raising stuff to is $n$, which is also the index for your sum and $k$ is undefined. The formula on the RHS appears to be the expansion of $(1+x)^{-k}$, but I find its easiest to just recompute these things and doing so will give us a more convenient form of the formula anyway.



    The correct approach is the following.



    Start with the geometric series: $$frac{1}{1-x} = sum_{i=0}^infty x^i.$$
    Then raise both sides to the $k$th power, to get
    $$(1-x)^{-k} = left(sum_{i=0}^infty x^iright)^k.$$
    The coefficient of $x^ell$ in the right hand side is the number of ways to choose $k$ distinct, ordered nonnegative integers that sum to $ell$. This is the stars and bars problem, and has the well known solution $binom{ell+k-1}{k-1}$.
    Thus we have
    $$(1-x)^{-k} = sum_{i=0}^infty binom{i+k-1}{k-1} x^i.$$
    Finally, substitute $-x$ for $x$ to get
    $$(1+x)^{-k} = sum_{i=0}^infty binom{i+k-1}{k-1} (-1)^i x^i.$$



    I think this might be equivalent to the formula you've given, but nonetheless, I believe they want you to use this form of it, since it has the appropriate $(-1)^i$ that your formula is missing.



    Now, if we multiply $(1+x)^m(1+x)^{-(r+1)}$, apply the formula and then take the coefficient of $m-r$, we get
    $$sum_{s=0}^{m-r} binom{m}{s}binom{(m-r-s) + (r+1) -1}{(r+1)-1}(-1)^{m-s}$$
    $$=sum_{s=0}^{m-r} binom{m}{s}binom{m-s}{r}(-1)^{m-s}.$$



    Now if we reindex, with the new $s$ being $m-s$, we find that the sum runs from $r$ to $m$, and we have
    $$=sum_{s=r}^m binom{m}{m-s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=sum_{s=r}^mbinom{m}{s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s.$$



    The coefficient of $x^{m-r}$ on the right hand side is obviously zero, since the rhs has degree $m-r-1$, so we get
    $$sum_{s=r}^mbinom{m}{s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=0,$$
    as desired.






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    First of all, your formula for negative powers makes no sense. Your variables are all messed up. The power you're raising stuff to is $n$, which is also the index for your sum and $k$ is undefined. The formula on the RHS appears to be the expansion of $(1+x)^{-k}$, but I find its easiest to just recompute these things and doing so will give us a more convenient form of the formula anyway.



    The correct approach is the following.



    Start with the geometric series: $$frac{1}{1-x} = sum_{i=0}^infty x^i.$$
    Then raise both sides to the $k$th power, to get
    $$(1-x)^{-k} = left(sum_{i=0}^infty x^iright)^k.$$
    The coefficient of $x^ell$ in the right hand side is the number of ways to choose $k$ distinct, ordered nonnegative integers that sum to $ell$. This is the stars and bars problem, and has the well known solution $binom{ell+k-1}{k-1}$.
    Thus we have
    $$(1-x)^{-k} = sum_{i=0}^infty binom{i+k-1}{k-1} x^i.$$
    Finally, substitute $-x$ for $x$ to get
    $$(1+x)^{-k} = sum_{i=0}^infty binom{i+k-1}{k-1} (-1)^i x^i.$$



    I think this might be equivalent to the formula you've given, but nonetheless, I believe they want you to use this form of it, since it has the appropriate $(-1)^i$ that your formula is missing.



    Now, if we multiply $(1+x)^m(1+x)^{-(r+1)}$, apply the formula and then take the coefficient of $m-r$, we get
    $$sum_{s=0}^{m-r} binom{m}{s}binom{(m-r-s) + (r+1) -1}{(r+1)-1}(-1)^{m-s}$$
    $$=sum_{s=0}^{m-r} binom{m}{s}binom{m-s}{r}(-1)^{m-s}.$$



    Now if we reindex, with the new $s$ being $m-s$, we find that the sum runs from $r$ to $m$, and we have
    $$=sum_{s=r}^m binom{m}{m-s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=sum_{s=r}^mbinom{m}{s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s.$$



    The coefficient of $x^{m-r}$ on the right hand side is obviously zero, since the rhs has degree $m-r-1$, so we get
    $$sum_{s=r}^mbinom{m}{s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=0,$$
    as desired.






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    First of all, your formula for negative powers makes no sense. Your variables are all messed up. The power you're raising stuff to is $n$, which is also the index for your sum and $k$ is undefined. The formula on the RHS appears to be the expansion of $(1+x)^{-k}$, but I find its easiest to just recompute these things and doing so will give us a more convenient form of the formula anyway.



    The correct approach is the following.



    Start with the geometric series: $$frac{1}{1-x} = sum_{i=0}^infty x^i.$$
    Then raise both sides to the $k$th power, to get
    $$(1-x)^{-k} = left(sum_{i=0}^infty x^iright)^k.$$
    The coefficient of $x^ell$ in the right hand side is the number of ways to choose $k$ distinct, ordered nonnegative integers that sum to $ell$. This is the stars and bars problem, and has the well known solution $binom{ell+k-1}{k-1}$.
    Thus we have
    $$(1-x)^{-k} = sum_{i=0}^infty binom{i+k-1}{k-1} x^i.$$
    Finally, substitute $-x$ for $x$ to get
    $$(1+x)^{-k} = sum_{i=0}^infty binom{i+k-1}{k-1} (-1)^i x^i.$$



    I think this might be equivalent to the formula you've given, but nonetheless, I believe they want you to use this form of it, since it has the appropriate $(-1)^i$ that your formula is missing.



    Now, if we multiply $(1+x)^m(1+x)^{-(r+1)}$, apply the formula and then take the coefficient of $m-r$, we get
    $$sum_{s=0}^{m-r} binom{m}{s}binom{(m-r-s) + (r+1) -1}{(r+1)-1}(-1)^{m-s}$$
    $$=sum_{s=0}^{m-r} binom{m}{s}binom{m-s}{r}(-1)^{m-s}.$$



    Now if we reindex, with the new $s$ being $m-s$, we find that the sum runs from $r$ to $m$, and we have
    $$=sum_{s=r}^m binom{m}{m-s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=sum_{s=r}^mbinom{m}{s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s.$$



    The coefficient of $x^{m-r}$ on the right hand side is obviously zero, since the rhs has degree $m-r-1$, so we get
    $$sum_{s=r}^mbinom{m}{s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=0,$$
    as desired.






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    First of all, your formula for negative powers makes no sense. Your variables are all messed up. The power you're raising stuff to is $n$, which is also the index for your sum and $k$ is undefined. The formula on the RHS appears to be the expansion of $(1+x)^{-k}$, but I find its easiest to just recompute these things and doing so will give us a more convenient form of the formula anyway.



    The correct approach is the following.



    Start with the geometric series: $$frac{1}{1-x} = sum_{i=0}^infty x^i.$$
    Then raise both sides to the $k$th power, to get
    $$(1-x)^{-k} = left(sum_{i=0}^infty x^iright)^k.$$
    The coefficient of $x^ell$ in the right hand side is the number of ways to choose $k$ distinct, ordered nonnegative integers that sum to $ell$. This is the stars and bars problem, and has the well known solution $binom{ell+k-1}{k-1}$.
    Thus we have
    $$(1-x)^{-k} = sum_{i=0}^infty binom{i+k-1}{k-1} x^i.$$
    Finally, substitute $-x$ for $x$ to get
    $$(1+x)^{-k} = sum_{i=0}^infty binom{i+k-1}{k-1} (-1)^i x^i.$$



    I think this might be equivalent to the formula you've given, but nonetheless, I believe they want you to use this form of it, since it has the appropriate $(-1)^i$ that your formula is missing.



    Now, if we multiply $(1+x)^m(1+x)^{-(r+1)}$, apply the formula and then take the coefficient of $m-r$, we get
    $$sum_{s=0}^{m-r} binom{m}{s}binom{(m-r-s) + (r+1) -1}{(r+1)-1}(-1)^{m-s}$$
    $$=sum_{s=0}^{m-r} binom{m}{s}binom{m-s}{r}(-1)^{m-s}.$$



    Now if we reindex, with the new $s$ being $m-s$, we find that the sum runs from $r$ to $m$, and we have
    $$=sum_{s=r}^m binom{m}{m-s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=sum_{s=r}^mbinom{m}{s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s.$$



    The coefficient of $x^{m-r}$ on the right hand side is obviously zero, since the rhs has degree $m-r-1$, so we get
    $$sum_{s=r}^mbinom{m}{s}binom{s}{r}(-1)^s=0,$$
    as desired.







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    Here is the combinatorial solution no one asked for.



    First of all, when $m=r$ the actual value of the LHS is $(-1)^m$, so from now on assume $mneq r$. We will answer the following question in two ways:




    How many of the size $r$ subsets of an $m$ element set have size equal to $m$?




    Answer 1: Obviously zero, since $mneq r$, so there are no sets with sizes equal to both $m$ and $r$! (Note when $m=r$, this answer would instead be $1$).



    Answer 2: We will answer this using inclusion exclusion. First, the total number of subsets of size $r$ is $binom{m}r$. For each element $i$ of the set, we must subtract the "bad" size $r$ subsets which do not contain $i$ (if a set has size unequal to $m$, it must be missing some element). There are $binom{m-1}r$ subsets of size $r$ which do not contain $i$, and $binom{m}1$ ways to choose $i$. But then we must add back in the double intersections, then subtract the triple intersections, and so on. The result is
    $$
    binom{m}0binom{m}r-binom{m}1binom{m-1}r+binom{m}2binom{m-2}r-dots=sum_{sge 0}(-1)^sbinom{m}sbinom{m-s}r
    $$

    which after some rearranging is $(-1)^m$ times the desired summation.






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      I appreciate your combinatorial proof :)
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    • $begingroup$
      You're the unappreciated maths hero that nobody asked for, but, I'm glad you're around ^^
      $endgroup$
      – Wesley Strik
      Nov 30 '18 at 23:16






    • 1




      $begingroup$
      I like the general approach of counting something in two different ways and both methods require some creativity and 'coefficient yoga'.
      $endgroup$
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    2












    $begingroup$

    Here is the combinatorial solution no one asked for.



    First of all, when $m=r$ the actual value of the LHS is $(-1)^m$, so from now on assume $mneq r$. We will answer the following question in two ways:




    How many of the size $r$ subsets of an $m$ element set have size equal to $m$?




    Answer 1: Obviously zero, since $mneq r$, so there are no sets with sizes equal to both $m$ and $r$! (Note when $m=r$, this answer would instead be $1$).



    Answer 2: We will answer this using inclusion exclusion. First, the total number of subsets of size $r$ is $binom{m}r$. For each element $i$ of the set, we must subtract the "bad" size $r$ subsets which do not contain $i$ (if a set has size unequal to $m$, it must be missing some element). There are $binom{m-1}r$ subsets of size $r$ which do not contain $i$, and $binom{m}1$ ways to choose $i$. But then we must add back in the double intersections, then subtract the triple intersections, and so on. The result is
    $$
    binom{m}0binom{m}r-binom{m}1binom{m-1}r+binom{m}2binom{m-2}r-dots=sum_{sge 0}(-1)^sbinom{m}sbinom{m-s}r
    $$

    which after some rearranging is $(-1)^m$ times the desired summation.






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    • $begingroup$
      I appreciate your combinatorial proof :)
      $endgroup$
      – Wesley Strik
      Nov 30 '18 at 22:59










    • $begingroup$
      You're the unappreciated maths hero that nobody asked for, but, I'm glad you're around ^^
      $endgroup$
      – Wesley Strik
      Nov 30 '18 at 23:16






    • 1




      $begingroup$
      I like the general approach of counting something in two different ways and both methods require some creativity and 'coefficient yoga'.
      $endgroup$
      – Wesley Strik
      Nov 30 '18 at 23:18














    2












    2








    2





    $begingroup$

    Here is the combinatorial solution no one asked for.



    First of all, when $m=r$ the actual value of the LHS is $(-1)^m$, so from now on assume $mneq r$. We will answer the following question in two ways:




    How many of the size $r$ subsets of an $m$ element set have size equal to $m$?




    Answer 1: Obviously zero, since $mneq r$, so there are no sets with sizes equal to both $m$ and $r$! (Note when $m=r$, this answer would instead be $1$).



    Answer 2: We will answer this using inclusion exclusion. First, the total number of subsets of size $r$ is $binom{m}r$. For each element $i$ of the set, we must subtract the "bad" size $r$ subsets which do not contain $i$ (if a set has size unequal to $m$, it must be missing some element). There are $binom{m-1}r$ subsets of size $r$ which do not contain $i$, and $binom{m}1$ ways to choose $i$. But then we must add back in the double intersections, then subtract the triple intersections, and so on. The result is
    $$
    binom{m}0binom{m}r-binom{m}1binom{m-1}r+binom{m}2binom{m-2}r-dots=sum_{sge 0}(-1)^sbinom{m}sbinom{m-s}r
    $$

    which after some rearranging is $(-1)^m$ times the desired summation.






    share|cite|improve this answer









    $endgroup$



    Here is the combinatorial solution no one asked for.



    First of all, when $m=r$ the actual value of the LHS is $(-1)^m$, so from now on assume $mneq r$. We will answer the following question in two ways:




    How many of the size $r$ subsets of an $m$ element set have size equal to $m$?




    Answer 1: Obviously zero, since $mneq r$, so there are no sets with sizes equal to both $m$ and $r$! (Note when $m=r$, this answer would instead be $1$).



    Answer 2: We will answer this using inclusion exclusion. First, the total number of subsets of size $r$ is $binom{m}r$. For each element $i$ of the set, we must subtract the "bad" size $r$ subsets which do not contain $i$ (if a set has size unequal to $m$, it must be missing some element). There are $binom{m-1}r$ subsets of size $r$ which do not contain $i$, and $binom{m}1$ ways to choose $i$. But then we must add back in the double intersections, then subtract the triple intersections, and so on. The result is
    $$
    binom{m}0binom{m}r-binom{m}1binom{m-1}r+binom{m}2binom{m-2}r-dots=sum_{sge 0}(-1)^sbinom{m}sbinom{m-s}r
    $$

    which after some rearranging is $(-1)^m$ times the desired summation.







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    answered Nov 30 '18 at 18:45









    Mike EarnestMike Earnest

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    • $begingroup$
      I appreciate your combinatorial proof :)
      $endgroup$
      – Wesley Strik
      Nov 30 '18 at 22:59










    • $begingroup$
      You're the unappreciated maths hero that nobody asked for, but, I'm glad you're around ^^
      $endgroup$
      – Wesley Strik
      Nov 30 '18 at 23:16






    • 1




      $begingroup$
      I like the general approach of counting something in two different ways and both methods require some creativity and 'coefficient yoga'.
      $endgroup$
      – Wesley Strik
      Nov 30 '18 at 23:18


















    • $begingroup$
      I appreciate your combinatorial proof :)
      $endgroup$
      – Wesley Strik
      Nov 30 '18 at 22:59










    • $begingroup$
      You're the unappreciated maths hero that nobody asked for, but, I'm glad you're around ^^
      $endgroup$
      – Wesley Strik
      Nov 30 '18 at 23:16






    • 1




      $begingroup$
      I like the general approach of counting something in two different ways and both methods require some creativity and 'coefficient yoga'.
      $endgroup$
      – Wesley Strik
      Nov 30 '18 at 23:18
















    $begingroup$
    I appreciate your combinatorial proof :)
    $endgroup$
    – Wesley Strik
    Nov 30 '18 at 22:59




    $begingroup$
    I appreciate your combinatorial proof :)
    $endgroup$
    – Wesley Strik
    Nov 30 '18 at 22:59












    $begingroup$
    You're the unappreciated maths hero that nobody asked for, but, I'm glad you're around ^^
    $endgroup$
    – Wesley Strik
    Nov 30 '18 at 23:16




    $begingroup$
    You're the unappreciated maths hero that nobody asked for, but, I'm glad you're around ^^
    $endgroup$
    – Wesley Strik
    Nov 30 '18 at 23:16




    1




    1




    $begingroup$
    I like the general approach of counting something in two different ways and both methods require some creativity and 'coefficient yoga'.
    $endgroup$
    – Wesley Strik
    Nov 30 '18 at 23:18




    $begingroup$
    I like the general approach of counting something in two different ways and both methods require some creativity and 'coefficient yoga'.
    $endgroup$
    – Wesley Strik
    Nov 30 '18 at 23:18











    1












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    Here is another combinatorial solution to the problem which no one asked for.



    Assume, $m>r$. For a given $s$, $binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}$ counts the number of ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m},mid Xmid =s, mid Ymid =r$.



    Given $(X,Y)$, let $x$ be the smallest element of ${1,2,...,m}$ such that $x$ is not in $Y$. Then define the involution $f((X,Y)) = (Xoplus x, Y )$.
    $Bigg( Xoplus x=begin{cases}
    Xsetminus {x} & xin X\
    Xcup {x} & xnotin X\
    end{cases}Bigg)
    $



    Therefore, $f((X,Y))$ is a bijection from the ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m} $ with $mid Xmid $ even to ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m} $ with $mid Xmid $ odd.



    Hence, $$sum_limits {s even}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}=sum_limits {s odd}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}$$



    $blacksquare$






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      $begingroup$

      Here is another combinatorial solution to the problem which no one asked for.



      Assume, $m>r$. For a given $s$, $binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}$ counts the number of ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m},mid Xmid =s, mid Ymid =r$.



      Given $(X,Y)$, let $x$ be the smallest element of ${1,2,...,m}$ such that $x$ is not in $Y$. Then define the involution $f((X,Y)) = (Xoplus x, Y )$.
      $Bigg( Xoplus x=begin{cases}
      Xsetminus {x} & xin X\
      Xcup {x} & xnotin X\
      end{cases}Bigg)
      $



      Therefore, $f((X,Y))$ is a bijection from the ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m} $ with $mid Xmid $ even to ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m} $ with $mid Xmid $ odd.



      Hence, $$sum_limits {s even}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}=sum_limits {s odd}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}$$



      $blacksquare$






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        $begingroup$

        Here is another combinatorial solution to the problem which no one asked for.



        Assume, $m>r$. For a given $s$, $binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}$ counts the number of ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m},mid Xmid =s, mid Ymid =r$.



        Given $(X,Y)$, let $x$ be the smallest element of ${1,2,...,m}$ such that $x$ is not in $Y$. Then define the involution $f((X,Y)) = (Xoplus x, Y )$.
        $Bigg( Xoplus x=begin{cases}
        Xsetminus {x} & xin X\
        Xcup {x} & xnotin X\
        end{cases}Bigg)
        $



        Therefore, $f((X,Y))$ is a bijection from the ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m} $ with $mid Xmid $ even to ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m} $ with $mid Xmid $ odd.



        Hence, $$sum_limits {s even}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}=sum_limits {s odd}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}$$



        $blacksquare$






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        Here is another combinatorial solution to the problem which no one asked for.



        Assume, $m>r$. For a given $s$, $binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}$ counts the number of ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m},mid Xmid =s, mid Ymid =r$.



        Given $(X,Y)$, let $x$ be the smallest element of ${1,2,...,m}$ such that $x$ is not in $Y$. Then define the involution $f((X,Y)) = (Xoplus x, Y )$.
        $Bigg( Xoplus x=begin{cases}
        Xsetminus {x} & xin X\
        Xcup {x} & xnotin X\
        end{cases}Bigg)
        $



        Therefore, $f((X,Y))$ is a bijection from the ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m} $ with $mid Xmid $ even to ordered pairs $(X,Y)$ such that $Ysubseteq Xsubseteq {1,2,...,m} $ with $mid Xmid $ odd.



        Hence, $$sum_limits {s even}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}=sum_limits {s odd}binom{m}{s} binom{s}{r}$$



        $blacksquare$







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        answered Dec 3 '18 at 15:37









        Anubhab GhosalAnubhab Ghosal

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