Find all solutions when two functions are the same (same result)
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Can anybody help me find solutions for $x$ when: $$y_1 = y_2$$
and equations are (for example):
$$y_1 = frac{(x^2+x)}{2} ;; ;y_2 = frac{(x^2+19x-12)}{2}$$
By solving it "brute force" I can tell some of the solutions are:
- $$y_1(5)=y_2(2)=15$$
- $$y_1(15)=y_2(9)=120$$
- $$? ? ?$$
Thank you!
functions systems-of-equations
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Can anybody help me find solutions for $x$ when: $$y_1 = y_2$$
and equations are (for example):
$$y_1 = frac{(x^2+x)}{2} ;; ;y_2 = frac{(x^2+19x-12)}{2}$$
By solving it "brute force" I can tell some of the solutions are:
- $$y_1(5)=y_2(2)=15$$
- $$y_1(15)=y_2(9)=120$$
- $$? ? ?$$
Thank you!
functions systems-of-equations
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So, to be clear, when $y_1$ and $y_2$ have the same output, even if $x$ might not be the same... An interesting question. Experience might suggest a clever parameterization, if not brute force, but this is just a guess. Nonetheless, good luck.
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– Eevee Trainer
Dec 28 '18 at 10:00
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In short, you want to solve diophantine equations (for two variables). See this . It might help a little.
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– Jaideep Khare
Dec 28 '18 at 10:04
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Wouldn't Diophantine equations only suffice for integer solutions? What about real values of $x$, which I feel is more in line with what OP wants.
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– Eevee Trainer
Dec 28 '18 at 10:05
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There many confusing things here. With usual interpretation we have $y_1=y_2$ iff $x=frac 2 3$ but you are allowing different values of $x$ on LHS and RHS. Also it is not clear if you are looking for integer solutions. There is a continuum of solutions if you don't restrict to integer values of $x$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 28 '18 at 10:06
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Hi Kavi, Yes I am looking of course integer solution, sorry for not mentioning it.
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– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 10:11
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Can anybody help me find solutions for $x$ when: $$y_1 = y_2$$
and equations are (for example):
$$y_1 = frac{(x^2+x)}{2} ;; ;y_2 = frac{(x^2+19x-12)}{2}$$
By solving it "brute force" I can tell some of the solutions are:
- $$y_1(5)=y_2(2)=15$$
- $$y_1(15)=y_2(9)=120$$
- $$? ? ?$$
Thank you!
functions systems-of-equations
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Can anybody help me find solutions for $x$ when: $$y_1 = y_2$$
and equations are (for example):
$$y_1 = frac{(x^2+x)}{2} ;; ;y_2 = frac{(x^2+19x-12)}{2}$$
By solving it "brute force" I can tell some of the solutions are:
- $$y_1(5)=y_2(2)=15$$
- $$y_1(15)=y_2(9)=120$$
- $$? ? ?$$
Thank you!
functions systems-of-equations
functions systems-of-equations
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So, to be clear, when $y_1$ and $y_2$ have the same output, even if $x$ might not be the same... An interesting question. Experience might suggest a clever parameterization, if not brute force, but this is just a guess. Nonetheless, good luck.
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– Eevee Trainer
Dec 28 '18 at 10:00
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In short, you want to solve diophantine equations (for two variables). See this . It might help a little.
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– Jaideep Khare
Dec 28 '18 at 10:04
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Wouldn't Diophantine equations only suffice for integer solutions? What about real values of $x$, which I feel is more in line with what OP wants.
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– Eevee Trainer
Dec 28 '18 at 10:05
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There many confusing things here. With usual interpretation we have $y_1=y_2$ iff $x=frac 2 3$ but you are allowing different values of $x$ on LHS and RHS. Also it is not clear if you are looking for integer solutions. There is a continuum of solutions if you don't restrict to integer values of $x$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 28 '18 at 10:06
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Hi Kavi, Yes I am looking of course integer solution, sorry for not mentioning it.
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– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 10:11
add a comment |
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So, to be clear, when $y_1$ and $y_2$ have the same output, even if $x$ might not be the same... An interesting question. Experience might suggest a clever parameterization, if not brute force, but this is just a guess. Nonetheless, good luck.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
Dec 28 '18 at 10:00
$begingroup$
In short, you want to solve diophantine equations (for two variables). See this . It might help a little.
$endgroup$
– Jaideep Khare
Dec 28 '18 at 10:04
$begingroup$
Wouldn't Diophantine equations only suffice for integer solutions? What about real values of $x$, which I feel is more in line with what OP wants.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
Dec 28 '18 at 10:05
$begingroup$
There many confusing things here. With usual interpretation we have $y_1=y_2$ iff $x=frac 2 3$ but you are allowing different values of $x$ on LHS and RHS. Also it is not clear if you are looking for integer solutions. There is a continuum of solutions if you don't restrict to integer values of $x$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 28 '18 at 10:06
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Hi Kavi, Yes I am looking of course integer solution, sorry for not mentioning it.
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 10:11
$begingroup$
So, to be clear, when $y_1$ and $y_2$ have the same output, even if $x$ might not be the same... An interesting question. Experience might suggest a clever parameterization, if not brute force, but this is just a guess. Nonetheless, good luck.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
Dec 28 '18 at 10:00
$begingroup$
So, to be clear, when $y_1$ and $y_2$ have the same output, even if $x$ might not be the same... An interesting question. Experience might suggest a clever parameterization, if not brute force, but this is just a guess. Nonetheless, good luck.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
Dec 28 '18 at 10:00
$begingroup$
In short, you want to solve diophantine equations (for two variables). See this . It might help a little.
$endgroup$
– Jaideep Khare
Dec 28 '18 at 10:04
$begingroup$
In short, you want to solve diophantine equations (for two variables). See this . It might help a little.
$endgroup$
– Jaideep Khare
Dec 28 '18 at 10:04
$begingroup$
Wouldn't Diophantine equations only suffice for integer solutions? What about real values of $x$, which I feel is more in line with what OP wants.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
Dec 28 '18 at 10:05
$begingroup$
Wouldn't Diophantine equations only suffice for integer solutions? What about real values of $x$, which I feel is more in line with what OP wants.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
Dec 28 '18 at 10:05
$begingroup$
There many confusing things here. With usual interpretation we have $y_1=y_2$ iff $x=frac 2 3$ but you are allowing different values of $x$ on LHS and RHS. Also it is not clear if you are looking for integer solutions. There is a continuum of solutions if you don't restrict to integer values of $x$.
$endgroup$
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 28 '18 at 10:06
$begingroup$
There many confusing things here. With usual interpretation we have $y_1=y_2$ iff $x=frac 2 3$ but you are allowing different values of $x$ on LHS and RHS. Also it is not clear if you are looking for integer solutions. There is a continuum of solutions if you don't restrict to integer values of $x$.
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– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 28 '18 at 10:06
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Hi Kavi, Yes I am looking of course integer solution, sorry for not mentioning it.
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– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 10:11
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Hi Kavi, Yes I am looking of course integer solution, sorry for not mentioning it.
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– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 10:11
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HINT:
For integers $a,b$, we wish to solve $$frac{a^2+a}2=frac{b^2+19b-12}2impliesleft(a+frac12right)^2-frac14=left(b+frac{19}2right)^2-frac{361}4-12$$ so $$left(b+frac{19}2right)^2-left(a+frac12right)^2=102implies (a+b+10)(b-a+9)=2cdot3cdot17$$ from which only eight possible combinations exist.
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tnx for the hint, but can you please drop some more details, so I can actually conclude for next similar problem? Also as what I can see this would also require checking for each of them, or I am missing something?
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– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 11:42
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@Jovan The cases are $(a+b+10,b+a+9)=(1,102),(2,51),(3,34),(6,17),(17,6),(34,3),(51,2),(102,1)$. You'll need to solve all of them.
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– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:03
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thank you for your comments, how come that two example pairs are (5,2), (15,9) not in the list?
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– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:22
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@Jovan Because $(2,5)$ corresponds to $(a,b)$ not $(a+b+10,b-a+9)$ (minus sign typo in comment above). You will need to solve these simultaneous equations - albeit not difficult.
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– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:24
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TNX! Based on which theorem you reconstruct equations and than you got these pairs to be solved? There is no possibility to derive some general "formulation" which excludes solving all this? I mean there is no other solution, which excludes testing various cases?
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HINT:
For integers $a,b$, we wish to solve $$frac{a^2+a}2=frac{b^2+19b-12}2impliesleft(a+frac12right)^2-frac14=left(b+frac{19}2right)^2-frac{361}4-12$$ so $$left(b+frac{19}2right)^2-left(a+frac12right)^2=102implies (a+b+10)(b-a+9)=2cdot3cdot17$$ from which only eight possible combinations exist.
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tnx for the hint, but can you please drop some more details, so I can actually conclude for next similar problem? Also as what I can see this would also require checking for each of them, or I am missing something?
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– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 11:42
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@Jovan The cases are $(a+b+10,b+a+9)=(1,102),(2,51),(3,34),(6,17),(17,6),(34,3),(51,2),(102,1)$. You'll need to solve all of them.
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– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:03
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thank you for your comments, how come that two example pairs are (5,2), (15,9) not in the list?
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– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:22
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@Jovan Because $(2,5)$ corresponds to $(a,b)$ not $(a+b+10,b-a+9)$ (minus sign typo in comment above). You will need to solve these simultaneous equations - albeit not difficult.
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– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:24
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TNX! Based on which theorem you reconstruct equations and than you got these pairs to be solved? There is no possibility to derive some general "formulation" which excludes solving all this? I mean there is no other solution, which excludes testing various cases?
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– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:56
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HINT:
For integers $a,b$, we wish to solve $$frac{a^2+a}2=frac{b^2+19b-12}2impliesleft(a+frac12right)^2-frac14=left(b+frac{19}2right)^2-frac{361}4-12$$ so $$left(b+frac{19}2right)^2-left(a+frac12right)^2=102implies (a+b+10)(b-a+9)=2cdot3cdot17$$ from which only eight possible combinations exist.
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tnx for the hint, but can you please drop some more details, so I can actually conclude for next similar problem? Also as what I can see this would also require checking for each of them, or I am missing something?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 11:42
$begingroup$
@Jovan The cases are $(a+b+10,b+a+9)=(1,102),(2,51),(3,34),(6,17),(17,6),(34,3),(51,2),(102,1)$. You'll need to solve all of them.
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– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:03
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thank you for your comments, how come that two example pairs are (5,2), (15,9) not in the list?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:22
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@Jovan Because $(2,5)$ corresponds to $(a,b)$ not $(a+b+10,b-a+9)$ (minus sign typo in comment above). You will need to solve these simultaneous equations - albeit not difficult.
$endgroup$
– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:24
$begingroup$
TNX! Based on which theorem you reconstruct equations and than you got these pairs to be solved? There is no possibility to derive some general "formulation" which excludes solving all this? I mean there is no other solution, which excludes testing various cases?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:56
|
show 1 more comment
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HINT:
For integers $a,b$, we wish to solve $$frac{a^2+a}2=frac{b^2+19b-12}2impliesleft(a+frac12right)^2-frac14=left(b+frac{19}2right)^2-frac{361}4-12$$ so $$left(b+frac{19}2right)^2-left(a+frac12right)^2=102implies (a+b+10)(b-a+9)=2cdot3cdot17$$ from which only eight possible combinations exist.
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HINT:
For integers $a,b$, we wish to solve $$frac{a^2+a}2=frac{b^2+19b-12}2impliesleft(a+frac12right)^2-frac14=left(b+frac{19}2right)^2-frac{361}4-12$$ so $$left(b+frac{19}2right)^2-left(a+frac12right)^2=102implies (a+b+10)(b-a+9)=2cdot3cdot17$$ from which only eight possible combinations exist.
answered Dec 28 '18 at 11:06
TheSimpliFireTheSimpliFire
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tnx for the hint, but can you please drop some more details, so I can actually conclude for next similar problem? Also as what I can see this would also require checking for each of them, or I am missing something?
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– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 11:42
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@Jovan The cases are $(a+b+10,b+a+9)=(1,102),(2,51),(3,34),(6,17),(17,6),(34,3),(51,2),(102,1)$. You'll need to solve all of them.
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– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:03
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thank you for your comments, how come that two example pairs are (5,2), (15,9) not in the list?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:22
$begingroup$
@Jovan Because $(2,5)$ corresponds to $(a,b)$ not $(a+b+10,b-a+9)$ (minus sign typo in comment above). You will need to solve these simultaneous equations - albeit not difficult.
$endgroup$
– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:24
$begingroup$
TNX! Based on which theorem you reconstruct equations and than you got these pairs to be solved? There is no possibility to derive some general "formulation" which excludes solving all this? I mean there is no other solution, which excludes testing various cases?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:56
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
tnx for the hint, but can you please drop some more details, so I can actually conclude for next similar problem? Also as what I can see this would also require checking for each of them, or I am missing something?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 11:42
$begingroup$
@Jovan The cases are $(a+b+10,b+a+9)=(1,102),(2,51),(3,34),(6,17),(17,6),(34,3),(51,2),(102,1)$. You'll need to solve all of them.
$endgroup$
– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:03
$begingroup$
thank you for your comments, how come that two example pairs are (5,2), (15,9) not in the list?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:22
$begingroup$
@Jovan Because $(2,5)$ corresponds to $(a,b)$ not $(a+b+10,b-a+9)$ (minus sign typo in comment above). You will need to solve these simultaneous equations - albeit not difficult.
$endgroup$
– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:24
$begingroup$
TNX! Based on which theorem you reconstruct equations and than you got these pairs to be solved? There is no possibility to derive some general "formulation" which excludes solving all this? I mean there is no other solution, which excludes testing various cases?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:56
$begingroup$
tnx for the hint, but can you please drop some more details, so I can actually conclude for next similar problem? Also as what I can see this would also require checking for each of them, or I am missing something?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 11:42
$begingroup$
tnx for the hint, but can you please drop some more details, so I can actually conclude for next similar problem? Also as what I can see this would also require checking for each of them, or I am missing something?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 11:42
$begingroup$
@Jovan The cases are $(a+b+10,b+a+9)=(1,102),(2,51),(3,34),(6,17),(17,6),(34,3),(51,2),(102,1)$. You'll need to solve all of them.
$endgroup$
– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:03
$begingroup$
@Jovan The cases are $(a+b+10,b+a+9)=(1,102),(2,51),(3,34),(6,17),(17,6),(34,3),(51,2),(102,1)$. You'll need to solve all of them.
$endgroup$
– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:03
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thank you for your comments, how come that two example pairs are (5,2), (15,9) not in the list?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:22
$begingroup$
thank you for your comments, how come that two example pairs are (5,2), (15,9) not in the list?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:22
$begingroup$
@Jovan Because $(2,5)$ corresponds to $(a,b)$ not $(a+b+10,b-a+9)$ (minus sign typo in comment above). You will need to solve these simultaneous equations - albeit not difficult.
$endgroup$
– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:24
$begingroup$
@Jovan Because $(2,5)$ corresponds to $(a,b)$ not $(a+b+10,b-a+9)$ (minus sign typo in comment above). You will need to solve these simultaneous equations - albeit not difficult.
$endgroup$
– TheSimpliFire
Dec 28 '18 at 13:24
$begingroup$
TNX! Based on which theorem you reconstruct equations and than you got these pairs to be solved? There is no possibility to derive some general "formulation" which excludes solving all this? I mean there is no other solution, which excludes testing various cases?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:56
$begingroup$
TNX! Based on which theorem you reconstruct equations and than you got these pairs to be solved? There is no possibility to derive some general "formulation" which excludes solving all this? I mean there is no other solution, which excludes testing various cases?
$endgroup$
– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 13:56
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So, to be clear, when $y_1$ and $y_2$ have the same output, even if $x$ might not be the same... An interesting question. Experience might suggest a clever parameterization, if not brute force, but this is just a guess. Nonetheless, good luck.
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– Eevee Trainer
Dec 28 '18 at 10:00
$begingroup$
In short, you want to solve diophantine equations (for two variables). See this . It might help a little.
$endgroup$
– Jaideep Khare
Dec 28 '18 at 10:04
$begingroup$
Wouldn't Diophantine equations only suffice for integer solutions? What about real values of $x$, which I feel is more in line with what OP wants.
$endgroup$
– Eevee Trainer
Dec 28 '18 at 10:05
$begingroup$
There many confusing things here. With usual interpretation we have $y_1=y_2$ iff $x=frac 2 3$ but you are allowing different values of $x$ on LHS and RHS. Also it is not clear if you are looking for integer solutions. There is a continuum of solutions if you don't restrict to integer values of $x$.
$endgroup$
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Dec 28 '18 at 10:06
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Hi Kavi, Yes I am looking of course integer solution, sorry for not mentioning it.
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– Jovan
Dec 28 '18 at 10:11