Would it benefit to a beginner of piano playing right to start with the Prelude in C by Bach?
The question seems to be very subjective but it is not supposed to raise a discussion. but I'm asking for objective reasons and I'd like to answer later that this piece can be quite useful. I'm not asking for meanings or arguments as a discussion but for examples of copies or tutorials supporting my thesis: this is a piece for absolute beginners, even for a pupils of ca. 10 years.
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The question seems to be very subjective but it is not supposed to raise a discussion. but I'm asking for objective reasons and I'd like to answer later that this piece can be quite useful. I'm not asking for meanings or arguments as a discussion but for examples of copies or tutorials supporting my thesis: this is a piece for absolute beginners, even for a pupils of ca. 10 years.
piano chords learning beginner
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The question seems to be very subjective but it is not supposed to raise a discussion. but I'm asking for objective reasons and I'd like to answer later that this piece can be quite useful. I'm not asking for meanings or arguments as a discussion but for examples of copies or tutorials supporting my thesis: this is a piece for absolute beginners, even for a pupils of ca. 10 years.
piano chords learning beginner
The question seems to be very subjective but it is not supposed to raise a discussion. but I'm asking for objective reasons and I'd like to answer later that this piece can be quite useful. I'm not asking for meanings or arguments as a discussion but for examples of copies or tutorials supporting my thesis: this is a piece for absolute beginners, even for a pupils of ca. 10 years.
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From a pedagogical standpoint, consider all of the things an "absolute beginner" would have to learn in order to perform this piece:
- Note names in treble clef
- Note names in bass clas
- Note values of whole, half, quarter, eighth, and sixteenth
- Dotted note values
- Rest values of eighth and sixteenth (and result syncopation)
- Ties
- Accidentals
- Fermata
- Notation with multiple voices in a single staff
- Extensive use of ledger lines
I'm sure there are other things I could add to this list—and I didn't even get into questions of technique or interpretation—but this is a huge list for absolute beginners to learn all at once.
If your goal as teacher is to find one single piece that illustrates a lot of new concepts all at once, then this prelude is one of many that might fit.
However, if your goal as a teacher is to gradually move a student forward one step at a time, helping ensure success by never allowing them to be shocked by too much new material, it's hard for me to imagine this being a good piece "for absolute beginners."
"helping ensure success by never allowing them to be shocked" I fully agree.. that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;) Richard, you're giving good arguments, they would also fit for the little preludes. I want to show why I consider the 1st prelude as more useful than any children song or a pop sheet with chords and more appropriate than the little menuets of Bach or the inventions, with which I had to start.
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Ironically, I did exactly that with one young adult who had never played the piano before. You are looking for objective reasons. Hard to do but I will give it a shot:
Pros:
motivation: The C prelude provides an infinite source of pleasure and can be played, listened to at length and not lose its original appeal. Many beginner pieces don't provide that appeal. It's a great way to provide motivation to a student, especially an adult with limited time.
technique: an important aspect of learning to play the piano is to work on hand position. This piece provides a good learning ground for that skill: working on the ability to put the fingers on the keys and then pressing one after the other.
accomplishment: the piece is a succession of chords. Even if the adult doesn't succeed in playing the whole piece, they may get a great sense of satisfaction in playing in a loop a couple of lines already.
rhythm: the learner won't have to focus on that aspect. That's one challenge that's removed from the plate.
Cons:
challenging to read: if the adult hasn't any music background, that's a lot of notes to read.
challenging to memorize: one of the beginner frustration is to spend so much time reading the notes before playing each of them. Usually beginner pieces present the advantage of being short and having notes that follow each other so that they are easy to memorize and the learner can practice playing the piece. The C prelude doesn't provide that advantage.
uneven hands: beginner pieces are best if they help the student practice both hands evenly. This piece doesn't help much with the left hand.
I'd say that with motivation, everything can be accomplished so I think with the right nurturing environment and a good teacher, it is ok to start with this piece: aim for the moon. It's ok if you don't reach it.
I also think you will be more successful with an adult on this piece as it will be easier for them to see the whole picture. A young kid may get frustrated by the length of the piece and how much work it is to get to the end.
I couldn't say it better!
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
"aim for the moon. It's ok if you don't reach it." There are some who can't handle that for a first piece though, so some caution is warranted.
– Mast
2 hours ago
How many people keep playing an instrument for which they had lessons in childhood? ...could that failure rate have anything to do with inappropriate 'challenges' or a badly designed sequence of lessons?
– Michael Curtis
1 hour ago
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That's not an unreasonable 'first piece' for an adult beginner who can cope with notation on an intellectual level.
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From a pedagogical standpoint, consider all of the things an "absolute beginner" would have to learn in order to perform this piece:
- Note names in treble clef
- Note names in bass clas
- Note values of whole, half, quarter, eighth, and sixteenth
- Dotted note values
- Rest values of eighth and sixteenth (and result syncopation)
- Ties
- Accidentals
- Fermata
- Notation with multiple voices in a single staff
- Extensive use of ledger lines
I'm sure there are other things I could add to this list—and I didn't even get into questions of technique or interpretation—but this is a huge list for absolute beginners to learn all at once.
If your goal as teacher is to find one single piece that illustrates a lot of new concepts all at once, then this prelude is one of many that might fit.
However, if your goal as a teacher is to gradually move a student forward one step at a time, helping ensure success by never allowing them to be shocked by too much new material, it's hard for me to imagine this being a good piece "for absolute beginners."
"helping ensure success by never allowing them to be shocked" I fully agree.. that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;) Richard, you're giving good arguments, they would also fit for the little preludes. I want to show why I consider the 1st prelude as more useful than any children song or a pop sheet with chords and more appropriate than the little menuets of Bach or the inventions, with which I had to start.
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
add a comment |
From a pedagogical standpoint, consider all of the things an "absolute beginner" would have to learn in order to perform this piece:
- Note names in treble clef
- Note names in bass clas
- Note values of whole, half, quarter, eighth, and sixteenth
- Dotted note values
- Rest values of eighth and sixteenth (and result syncopation)
- Ties
- Accidentals
- Fermata
- Notation with multiple voices in a single staff
- Extensive use of ledger lines
I'm sure there are other things I could add to this list—and I didn't even get into questions of technique or interpretation—but this is a huge list for absolute beginners to learn all at once.
If your goal as teacher is to find one single piece that illustrates a lot of new concepts all at once, then this prelude is one of many that might fit.
However, if your goal as a teacher is to gradually move a student forward one step at a time, helping ensure success by never allowing them to be shocked by too much new material, it's hard for me to imagine this being a good piece "for absolute beginners."
"helping ensure success by never allowing them to be shocked" I fully agree.. that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;) Richard, you're giving good arguments, they would also fit for the little preludes. I want to show why I consider the 1st prelude as more useful than any children song or a pop sheet with chords and more appropriate than the little menuets of Bach or the inventions, with which I had to start.
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
add a comment |
From a pedagogical standpoint, consider all of the things an "absolute beginner" would have to learn in order to perform this piece:
- Note names in treble clef
- Note names in bass clas
- Note values of whole, half, quarter, eighth, and sixteenth
- Dotted note values
- Rest values of eighth and sixteenth (and result syncopation)
- Ties
- Accidentals
- Fermata
- Notation with multiple voices in a single staff
- Extensive use of ledger lines
I'm sure there are other things I could add to this list—and I didn't even get into questions of technique or interpretation—but this is a huge list for absolute beginners to learn all at once.
If your goal as teacher is to find one single piece that illustrates a lot of new concepts all at once, then this prelude is one of many that might fit.
However, if your goal as a teacher is to gradually move a student forward one step at a time, helping ensure success by never allowing them to be shocked by too much new material, it's hard for me to imagine this being a good piece "for absolute beginners."
From a pedagogical standpoint, consider all of the things an "absolute beginner" would have to learn in order to perform this piece:
- Note names in treble clef
- Note names in bass clas
- Note values of whole, half, quarter, eighth, and sixteenth
- Dotted note values
- Rest values of eighth and sixteenth (and result syncopation)
- Ties
- Accidentals
- Fermata
- Notation with multiple voices in a single staff
- Extensive use of ledger lines
I'm sure there are other things I could add to this list—and I didn't even get into questions of technique or interpretation—but this is a huge list for absolute beginners to learn all at once.
If your goal as teacher is to find one single piece that illustrates a lot of new concepts all at once, then this prelude is one of many that might fit.
However, if your goal as a teacher is to gradually move a student forward one step at a time, helping ensure success by never allowing them to be shocked by too much new material, it's hard for me to imagine this being a good piece "for absolute beginners."
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"helping ensure success by never allowing them to be shocked" I fully agree.. that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;) Richard, you're giving good arguments, they would also fit for the little preludes. I want to show why I consider the 1st prelude as more useful than any children song or a pop sheet with chords and more appropriate than the little menuets of Bach or the inventions, with which I had to start.
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
add a comment |
"helping ensure success by never allowing them to be shocked" I fully agree.. that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;) Richard, you're giving good arguments, they would also fit for the little preludes. I want to show why I consider the 1st prelude as more useful than any children song or a pop sheet with chords and more appropriate than the little menuets of Bach or the inventions, with which I had to start.
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
"helping ensure success by never allowing them to be shocked" I fully agree.. that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
"helping ensure success by never allowing them to be shocked" I fully agree.. that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;) Richard, you're giving good arguments, they would also fit for the little preludes. I want to show why I consider the 1st prelude as more useful than any children song or a pop sheet with chords and more appropriate than the little menuets of Bach or the inventions, with which I had to start.
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
that's why I wouldn't choose "jesus, joy of men's desiring ;) Richard, you're giving good arguments, they would also fit for the little preludes. I want to show why I consider the 1st prelude as more useful than any children song or a pop sheet with chords and more appropriate than the little menuets of Bach or the inventions, with which I had to start.
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Ironically, I did exactly that with one young adult who had never played the piano before. You are looking for objective reasons. Hard to do but I will give it a shot:
Pros:
motivation: The C prelude provides an infinite source of pleasure and can be played, listened to at length and not lose its original appeal. Many beginner pieces don't provide that appeal. It's a great way to provide motivation to a student, especially an adult with limited time.
technique: an important aspect of learning to play the piano is to work on hand position. This piece provides a good learning ground for that skill: working on the ability to put the fingers on the keys and then pressing one after the other.
accomplishment: the piece is a succession of chords. Even if the adult doesn't succeed in playing the whole piece, they may get a great sense of satisfaction in playing in a loop a couple of lines already.
rhythm: the learner won't have to focus on that aspect. That's one challenge that's removed from the plate.
Cons:
challenging to read: if the adult hasn't any music background, that's a lot of notes to read.
challenging to memorize: one of the beginner frustration is to spend so much time reading the notes before playing each of them. Usually beginner pieces present the advantage of being short and having notes that follow each other so that they are easy to memorize and the learner can practice playing the piece. The C prelude doesn't provide that advantage.
uneven hands: beginner pieces are best if they help the student practice both hands evenly. This piece doesn't help much with the left hand.
I'd say that with motivation, everything can be accomplished so I think with the right nurturing environment and a good teacher, it is ok to start with this piece: aim for the moon. It's ok if you don't reach it.
I also think you will be more successful with an adult on this piece as it will be easier for them to see the whole picture. A young kid may get frustrated by the length of the piece and how much work it is to get to the end.
I couldn't say it better!
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
"aim for the moon. It's ok if you don't reach it." There are some who can't handle that for a first piece though, so some caution is warranted.
– Mast
2 hours ago
How many people keep playing an instrument for which they had lessons in childhood? ...could that failure rate have anything to do with inappropriate 'challenges' or a badly designed sequence of lessons?
– Michael Curtis
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Ironically, I did exactly that with one young adult who had never played the piano before. You are looking for objective reasons. Hard to do but I will give it a shot:
Pros:
motivation: The C prelude provides an infinite source of pleasure and can be played, listened to at length and not lose its original appeal. Many beginner pieces don't provide that appeal. It's a great way to provide motivation to a student, especially an adult with limited time.
technique: an important aspect of learning to play the piano is to work on hand position. This piece provides a good learning ground for that skill: working on the ability to put the fingers on the keys and then pressing one after the other.
accomplishment: the piece is a succession of chords. Even if the adult doesn't succeed in playing the whole piece, they may get a great sense of satisfaction in playing in a loop a couple of lines already.
rhythm: the learner won't have to focus on that aspect. That's one challenge that's removed from the plate.
Cons:
challenging to read: if the adult hasn't any music background, that's a lot of notes to read.
challenging to memorize: one of the beginner frustration is to spend so much time reading the notes before playing each of them. Usually beginner pieces present the advantage of being short and having notes that follow each other so that they are easy to memorize and the learner can practice playing the piece. The C prelude doesn't provide that advantage.
uneven hands: beginner pieces are best if they help the student practice both hands evenly. This piece doesn't help much with the left hand.
I'd say that with motivation, everything can be accomplished so I think with the right nurturing environment and a good teacher, it is ok to start with this piece: aim for the moon. It's ok if you don't reach it.
I also think you will be more successful with an adult on this piece as it will be easier for them to see the whole picture. A young kid may get frustrated by the length of the piece and how much work it is to get to the end.
I couldn't say it better!
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
"aim for the moon. It's ok if you don't reach it." There are some who can't handle that for a first piece though, so some caution is warranted.
– Mast
2 hours ago
How many people keep playing an instrument for which they had lessons in childhood? ...could that failure rate have anything to do with inappropriate 'challenges' or a badly designed sequence of lessons?
– Michael Curtis
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Ironically, I did exactly that with one young adult who had never played the piano before. You are looking for objective reasons. Hard to do but I will give it a shot:
Pros:
motivation: The C prelude provides an infinite source of pleasure and can be played, listened to at length and not lose its original appeal. Many beginner pieces don't provide that appeal. It's a great way to provide motivation to a student, especially an adult with limited time.
technique: an important aspect of learning to play the piano is to work on hand position. This piece provides a good learning ground for that skill: working on the ability to put the fingers on the keys and then pressing one after the other.
accomplishment: the piece is a succession of chords. Even if the adult doesn't succeed in playing the whole piece, they may get a great sense of satisfaction in playing in a loop a couple of lines already.
rhythm: the learner won't have to focus on that aspect. That's one challenge that's removed from the plate.
Cons:
challenging to read: if the adult hasn't any music background, that's a lot of notes to read.
challenging to memorize: one of the beginner frustration is to spend so much time reading the notes before playing each of them. Usually beginner pieces present the advantage of being short and having notes that follow each other so that they are easy to memorize and the learner can practice playing the piece. The C prelude doesn't provide that advantage.
uneven hands: beginner pieces are best if they help the student practice both hands evenly. This piece doesn't help much with the left hand.
I'd say that with motivation, everything can be accomplished so I think with the right nurturing environment and a good teacher, it is ok to start with this piece: aim for the moon. It's ok if you don't reach it.
I also think you will be more successful with an adult on this piece as it will be easier for them to see the whole picture. A young kid may get frustrated by the length of the piece and how much work it is to get to the end.
Ironically, I did exactly that with one young adult who had never played the piano before. You are looking for objective reasons. Hard to do but I will give it a shot:
Pros:
motivation: The C prelude provides an infinite source of pleasure and can be played, listened to at length and not lose its original appeal. Many beginner pieces don't provide that appeal. It's a great way to provide motivation to a student, especially an adult with limited time.
technique: an important aspect of learning to play the piano is to work on hand position. This piece provides a good learning ground for that skill: working on the ability to put the fingers on the keys and then pressing one after the other.
accomplishment: the piece is a succession of chords. Even if the adult doesn't succeed in playing the whole piece, they may get a great sense of satisfaction in playing in a loop a couple of lines already.
rhythm: the learner won't have to focus on that aspect. That's one challenge that's removed from the plate.
Cons:
challenging to read: if the adult hasn't any music background, that's a lot of notes to read.
challenging to memorize: one of the beginner frustration is to spend so much time reading the notes before playing each of them. Usually beginner pieces present the advantage of being short and having notes that follow each other so that they are easy to memorize and the learner can practice playing the piece. The C prelude doesn't provide that advantage.
uneven hands: beginner pieces are best if they help the student practice both hands evenly. This piece doesn't help much with the left hand.
I'd say that with motivation, everything can be accomplished so I think with the right nurturing environment and a good teacher, it is ok to start with this piece: aim for the moon. It's ok if you don't reach it.
I also think you will be more successful with an adult on this piece as it will be easier for them to see the whole picture. A young kid may get frustrated by the length of the piece and how much work it is to get to the end.
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I couldn't say it better!
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
"aim for the moon. It's ok if you don't reach it." There are some who can't handle that for a first piece though, so some caution is warranted.
– Mast
2 hours ago
How many people keep playing an instrument for which they had lessons in childhood? ...could that failure rate have anything to do with inappropriate 'challenges' or a badly designed sequence of lessons?
– Michael Curtis
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I couldn't say it better!
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
"aim for the moon. It's ok if you don't reach it." There are some who can't handle that for a first piece though, so some caution is warranted.
– Mast
2 hours ago
How many people keep playing an instrument for which they had lessons in childhood? ...could that failure rate have anything to do with inappropriate 'challenges' or a badly designed sequence of lessons?
– Michael Curtis
1 hour ago
I couldn't say it better!
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
I couldn't say it better!
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
"aim for the moon. It's ok if you don't reach it." There are some who can't handle that for a first piece though, so some caution is warranted.
– Mast
2 hours ago
"aim for the moon. It's ok if you don't reach it." There are some who can't handle that for a first piece though, so some caution is warranted.
– Mast
2 hours ago
How many people keep playing an instrument for which they had lessons in childhood? ...could that failure rate have anything to do with inappropriate 'challenges' or a badly designed sequence of lessons?
– Michael Curtis
1 hour ago
How many people keep playing an instrument for which they had lessons in childhood? ...could that failure rate have anything to do with inappropriate 'challenges' or a badly designed sequence of lessons?
– Michael Curtis
1 hour ago
add a comment |
That's not an unreasonable 'first piece' for an adult beginner who can cope with notation on an intellectual level.
add a comment |
That's not an unreasonable 'first piece' for an adult beginner who can cope with notation on an intellectual level.
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That's not an unreasonable 'first piece' for an adult beginner who can cope with notation on an intellectual level.
That's not an unreasonable 'first piece' for an adult beginner who can cope with notation on an intellectual level.
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Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
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