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If $f(0) =0$ and $f''(x)$ exists then what is the value of $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}{x}$$



I tried Tailor and Lagrange theorems but to no avail.



clearly $f''(c)=2frac{f(x)-xf'(0
)}{x^2}$ where $0<c<x$
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How can i find $f'(0)$










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  • You can't, it's totally arbitrary.
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If $f(0) =0$ and $f''(x)$ exists then what is the value of $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}{x}$$



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clearly $f''(c)=2frac{f(x)-xf'(0
)}{x^2}$ where $0<c<x$
but how can i proceed further.
How can i find $f'(0)$










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If $f(0) =0$ and $f''(x)$ exists then what is the value of $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}{x}$$



I tried Tailor and Lagrange theorems but to no avail.



clearly $f''(c)=2frac{f(x)-xf'(0
)}{x^2}$ where $0<c<x$
but how can i proceed further.
How can i find $f'(0)$










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If $f(0) =0$ and $f''(x)$ exists then what is the value of $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}{x}$$



I tried Tailor and Lagrange theorems but to no avail.



clearly $f''(c)=2frac{f(x)-xf'(0
)}{x^2}$ where $0<c<x$
but how can i proceed further.
How can i find $f'(0)$







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  • You can't, it's totally arbitrary.
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  • You can't, it's totally arbitrary.
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    Mar 15 '16 at 10:13


















You can't, it's totally arbitrary.
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You can't, it's totally arbitrary.
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Expanding $f(t)$ around $x$ gives $f(t)=f(x)+(t-x)f'(x)+frac{(t-x)^2}2f''(tau)$, where $tau$ lies between $t$ and $x$.



For $t=0$ this gives $0=f(0)=f(x)-xf'(x)+frac{x^2}2f''(theta x)$ with $theta in (0,1)$ and therefore $f'(x)-frac{f(x)}x=frac x2f''(theta x)$.






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    It is not clear what you are asking, though there are many functions that satisfy your conditions but yielding very different expressions.


    For example, take $f(x)=x$ for which $f(0)=0, f''(x)$ exists and equals $0$.
    That gives you an expression for $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}{x}=1-1=0$$


    and then take $g(x)=sinx$, $g(0)=0,g''(x)=-sinx$ for which

    $$g'(x)-frac{g(x)}{x}=cosx-frac{sinx}{x}$$

    Two different "values" for two functions that satisfy your conditions.






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      $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}x=frac x2f''(0)+r'(x)-frac{r(x)}x,$$ where $r(x)$ is the remainder (hopefully, the last two terms can be neglectible for small $x$).






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        Expanding $f(t)$ around $x$ gives $f(t)=f(x)+(t-x)f'(x)+frac{(t-x)^2}2f''(tau)$, where $tau$ lies between $t$ and $x$.



        For $t=0$ this gives $0=f(0)=f(x)-xf'(x)+frac{x^2}2f''(theta x)$ with $theta in (0,1)$ and therefore $f'(x)-frac{f(x)}x=frac x2f''(theta x)$.






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          Expanding $f(t)$ around $x$ gives $f(t)=f(x)+(t-x)f'(x)+frac{(t-x)^2}2f''(tau)$, where $tau$ lies between $t$ and $x$.



          For $t=0$ this gives $0=f(0)=f(x)-xf'(x)+frac{x^2}2f''(theta x)$ with $theta in (0,1)$ and therefore $f'(x)-frac{f(x)}x=frac x2f''(theta x)$.






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            Expanding $f(t)$ around $x$ gives $f(t)=f(x)+(t-x)f'(x)+frac{(t-x)^2}2f''(tau)$, where $tau$ lies between $t$ and $x$.



            For $t=0$ this gives $0=f(0)=f(x)-xf'(x)+frac{x^2}2f''(theta x)$ with $theta in (0,1)$ and therefore $f'(x)-frac{f(x)}x=frac x2f''(theta x)$.






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            Expanding $f(t)$ around $x$ gives $f(t)=f(x)+(t-x)f'(x)+frac{(t-x)^2}2f''(tau)$, where $tau$ lies between $t$ and $x$.



            For $t=0$ this gives $0=f(0)=f(x)-xf'(x)+frac{x^2}2f''(theta x)$ with $theta in (0,1)$ and therefore $f'(x)-frac{f(x)}x=frac x2f''(theta x)$.







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                It is not clear what you are asking, though there are many functions that satisfy your conditions but yielding very different expressions.


                For example, take $f(x)=x$ for which $f(0)=0, f''(x)$ exists and equals $0$.
                That gives you an expression for $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}{x}=1-1=0$$


                and then take $g(x)=sinx$, $g(0)=0,g''(x)=-sinx$ for which

                $$g'(x)-frac{g(x)}{x}=cosx-frac{sinx}{x}$$

                Two different "values" for two functions that satisfy your conditions.






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                  It is not clear what you are asking, though there are many functions that satisfy your conditions but yielding very different expressions.


                  For example, take $f(x)=x$ for which $f(0)=0, f''(x)$ exists and equals $0$.
                  That gives you an expression for $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}{x}=1-1=0$$


                  and then take $g(x)=sinx$, $g(0)=0,g''(x)=-sinx$ for which

                  $$g'(x)-frac{g(x)}{x}=cosx-frac{sinx}{x}$$

                  Two different "values" for two functions that satisfy your conditions.






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                    It is not clear what you are asking, though there are many functions that satisfy your conditions but yielding very different expressions.


                    For example, take $f(x)=x$ for which $f(0)=0, f''(x)$ exists and equals $0$.
                    That gives you an expression for $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}{x}=1-1=0$$


                    and then take $g(x)=sinx$, $g(0)=0,g''(x)=-sinx$ for which

                    $$g'(x)-frac{g(x)}{x}=cosx-frac{sinx}{x}$$

                    Two different "values" for two functions that satisfy your conditions.






                    share|cite|improve this answer












                    It is not clear what you are asking, though there are many functions that satisfy your conditions but yielding very different expressions.


                    For example, take $f(x)=x$ for which $f(0)=0, f''(x)$ exists and equals $0$.
                    That gives you an expression for $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}{x}=1-1=0$$


                    and then take $g(x)=sinx$, $g(0)=0,g''(x)=-sinx$ for which

                    $$g'(x)-frac{g(x)}{x}=cosx-frac{sinx}{x}$$

                    Two different "values" for two functions that satisfy your conditions.







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                        By Taylor,



                        $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}x=frac x2f''(0)+r'(x)-frac{r(x)}x,$$ where $r(x)$ is the remainder (hopefully, the last two terms can be neglectible for small $x$).






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                          By Taylor,



                          $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}x=frac x2f''(0)+r'(x)-frac{r(x)}x,$$ where $r(x)$ is the remainder (hopefully, the last two terms can be neglectible for small $x$).






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                            By Taylor,



                            $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}x=frac x2f''(0)+r'(x)-frac{r(x)}x,$$ where $r(x)$ is the remainder (hopefully, the last two terms can be neglectible for small $x$).






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                            By Taylor,



                            $$f'(x)-frac{f(x)}x=frac x2f''(0)+r'(x)-frac{r(x)}x,$$ where $r(x)$ is the remainder (hopefully, the last two terms can be neglectible for small $x$).







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