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Let $(f_{alpha})_{alpha in A}$ be a family of real valued continous functions on a topological space $X$ such that for each $xin X$ $f_alpha (x)neq 0$ for only finitely many $alphain A$. Then we can define $f=sum_{alpha in A}f_alpha$ .



In general we can can not expect $f$ to be continous, for example if $X$ consists only of discrete points together with one limit point. Are there any conditions on $X$ that will guarantee the continouity of $f$?



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    Let $(f_{alpha})_{alpha in A}$ be a family of real valued continous functions on a topological space $X$ such that for each $xin X$ $f_alpha (x)neq 0$ for only finitely many $alphain A$. Then we can define $f=sum_{alpha in A}f_alpha$ .



    In general we can can not expect $f$ to be continous, for example if $X$ consists only of discrete points together with one limit point. Are there any conditions on $X$ that will guarantee the continouity of $f$?



    Any help appreciated!










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      Let $(f_{alpha})_{alpha in A}$ be a family of real valued continous functions on a topological space $X$ such that for each $xin X$ $f_alpha (x)neq 0$ for only finitely many $alphain A$. Then we can define $f=sum_{alpha in A}f_alpha$ .



      In general we can can not expect $f$ to be continous, for example if $X$ consists only of discrete points together with one limit point. Are there any conditions on $X$ that will guarantee the continouity of $f$?



      Any help appreciated!










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      Let $(f_{alpha})_{alpha in A}$ be a family of real valued continous functions on a topological space $X$ such that for each $xin X$ $f_alpha (x)neq 0$ for only finitely many $alphain A$. Then we can define $f=sum_{alpha in A}f_alpha$ .



      In general we can can not expect $f$ to be continous, for example if $X$ consists only of discrete points together with one limit point. Are there any conditions on $X$ that will guarantee the continouity of $f$?



      Any help appreciated!







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          I do not have the complete answer as of yet. But maybe a partial answer will already help you.



          I noticed, that this is not even true if X = R together with the standard topology, since you can take any strictly monotonous convergent sequence $x_n$. Then construct a sequence of neighborhoods $U_n$ around each $x_n$ with $U_ncap U_m$ is the empty set whenever $mneq n$ (Construct this for example by taking the open balls around $x_n$ with diameter smaller then $min(x_n-x_{n-1},x_{n+1}-x_n)$) Now one can construct a sequence of continuous $f_n$ such that $f_n(x_n) = n $ and the support of $f_n$ is restricted to $U_n$. Then for every point of the real line, there is at most one n such that $f_nneq 0$ Therefore I can write the sum. Furthermore $f(x)=0$ but there exists a convergent sequence under which the images diverge. Therefore the limit of the sum of $f_n$ can not be continuous.



          I think this construction can be modified to include at least all benach spaces.



          PS: You could change your Assumptions to: For each x in X there exists a neighborhood $U_x$ such that $f_alpha(U_x))={0}$ only for finitely many $alpha$. Then my as well as your example fail to comply, and this might be true for at least any Banach space, since then any sequence converging to x would be at some point in $U_x$ and in $U_x$ we can restrict the sum to a finite sum.






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            The standard condition (used in paracompactness considerations, e.g.) is that the family $(f_alpha)^{-1}[(0,rightarrow)]$, $alpha in A$ is locally finite. Every point of $X$ then has a neighbourhood $U_x$ on which all but finitely many $f_alpha$ vanish. This clearly implies continuity.






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              If $X$ is Hausdorff, the counterexample you give is essentially the only one: the implication holds iff the set of isolated points of $X$ has no limit point. Indeed, such continuous $f_alpha$ have to be supported on a finite set of isolated points, and a discontinuity of $sum f_alpha$ can only happen at a limit point of isolated points.



              For general $X$, the condition you need is that there is no disjoint union of finite open sets that has a limit point.






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                I do not have the complete answer as of yet. But maybe a partial answer will already help you.



                I noticed, that this is not even true if X = R together with the standard topology, since you can take any strictly monotonous convergent sequence $x_n$. Then construct a sequence of neighborhoods $U_n$ around each $x_n$ with $U_ncap U_m$ is the empty set whenever $mneq n$ (Construct this for example by taking the open balls around $x_n$ with diameter smaller then $min(x_n-x_{n-1},x_{n+1}-x_n)$) Now one can construct a sequence of continuous $f_n$ such that $f_n(x_n) = n $ and the support of $f_n$ is restricted to $U_n$. Then for every point of the real line, there is at most one n such that $f_nneq 0$ Therefore I can write the sum. Furthermore $f(x)=0$ but there exists a convergent sequence under which the images diverge. Therefore the limit of the sum of $f_n$ can not be continuous.



                I think this construction can be modified to include at least all benach spaces.



                PS: You could change your Assumptions to: For each x in X there exists a neighborhood $U_x$ such that $f_alpha(U_x))={0}$ only for finitely many $alpha$. Then my as well as your example fail to comply, and this might be true for at least any Banach space, since then any sequence converging to x would be at some point in $U_x$ and in $U_x$ we can restrict the sum to a finite sum.






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                  I do not have the complete answer as of yet. But maybe a partial answer will already help you.



                  I noticed, that this is not even true if X = R together with the standard topology, since you can take any strictly monotonous convergent sequence $x_n$. Then construct a sequence of neighborhoods $U_n$ around each $x_n$ with $U_ncap U_m$ is the empty set whenever $mneq n$ (Construct this for example by taking the open balls around $x_n$ with diameter smaller then $min(x_n-x_{n-1},x_{n+1}-x_n)$) Now one can construct a sequence of continuous $f_n$ such that $f_n(x_n) = n $ and the support of $f_n$ is restricted to $U_n$. Then for every point of the real line, there is at most one n such that $f_nneq 0$ Therefore I can write the sum. Furthermore $f(x)=0$ but there exists a convergent sequence under which the images diverge. Therefore the limit of the sum of $f_n$ can not be continuous.



                  I think this construction can be modified to include at least all benach spaces.



                  PS: You could change your Assumptions to: For each x in X there exists a neighborhood $U_x$ such that $f_alpha(U_x))={0}$ only for finitely many $alpha$. Then my as well as your example fail to comply, and this might be true for at least any Banach space, since then any sequence converging to x would be at some point in $U_x$ and in $U_x$ we can restrict the sum to a finite sum.






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                    I do not have the complete answer as of yet. But maybe a partial answer will already help you.



                    I noticed, that this is not even true if X = R together with the standard topology, since you can take any strictly monotonous convergent sequence $x_n$. Then construct a sequence of neighborhoods $U_n$ around each $x_n$ with $U_ncap U_m$ is the empty set whenever $mneq n$ (Construct this for example by taking the open balls around $x_n$ with diameter smaller then $min(x_n-x_{n-1},x_{n+1}-x_n)$) Now one can construct a sequence of continuous $f_n$ such that $f_n(x_n) = n $ and the support of $f_n$ is restricted to $U_n$. Then for every point of the real line, there is at most one n such that $f_nneq 0$ Therefore I can write the sum. Furthermore $f(x)=0$ but there exists a convergent sequence under which the images diverge. Therefore the limit of the sum of $f_n$ can not be continuous.



                    I think this construction can be modified to include at least all benach spaces.



                    PS: You could change your Assumptions to: For each x in X there exists a neighborhood $U_x$ such that $f_alpha(U_x))={0}$ only for finitely many $alpha$. Then my as well as your example fail to comply, and this might be true for at least any Banach space, since then any sequence converging to x would be at some point in $U_x$ and in $U_x$ we can restrict the sum to a finite sum.






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                    I do not have the complete answer as of yet. But maybe a partial answer will already help you.



                    I noticed, that this is not even true if X = R together with the standard topology, since you can take any strictly monotonous convergent sequence $x_n$. Then construct a sequence of neighborhoods $U_n$ around each $x_n$ with $U_ncap U_m$ is the empty set whenever $mneq n$ (Construct this for example by taking the open balls around $x_n$ with diameter smaller then $min(x_n-x_{n-1},x_{n+1}-x_n)$) Now one can construct a sequence of continuous $f_n$ such that $f_n(x_n) = n $ and the support of $f_n$ is restricted to $U_n$. Then for every point of the real line, there is at most one n such that $f_nneq 0$ Therefore I can write the sum. Furthermore $f(x)=0$ but there exists a convergent sequence under which the images diverge. Therefore the limit of the sum of $f_n$ can not be continuous.



                    I think this construction can be modified to include at least all benach spaces.



                    PS: You could change your Assumptions to: For each x in X there exists a neighborhood $U_x$ such that $f_alpha(U_x))={0}$ only for finitely many $alpha$. Then my as well as your example fail to comply, and this might be true for at least any Banach space, since then any sequence converging to x would be at some point in $U_x$ and in $U_x$ we can restrict the sum to a finite sum.







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                        The standard condition (used in paracompactness considerations, e.g.) is that the family $(f_alpha)^{-1}[(0,rightarrow)]$, $alpha in A$ is locally finite. Every point of $X$ then has a neighbourhood $U_x$ on which all but finitely many $f_alpha$ vanish. This clearly implies continuity.






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                          The standard condition (used in paracompactness considerations, e.g.) is that the family $(f_alpha)^{-1}[(0,rightarrow)]$, $alpha in A$ is locally finite. Every point of $X$ then has a neighbourhood $U_x$ on which all but finitely many $f_alpha$ vanish. This clearly implies continuity.






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                            The standard condition (used in paracompactness considerations, e.g.) is that the family $(f_alpha)^{-1}[(0,rightarrow)]$, $alpha in A$ is locally finite. Every point of $X$ then has a neighbourhood $U_x$ on which all but finitely many $f_alpha$ vanish. This clearly implies continuity.






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                            The standard condition (used in paracompactness considerations, e.g.) is that the family $(f_alpha)^{-1}[(0,rightarrow)]$, $alpha in A$ is locally finite. Every point of $X$ then has a neighbourhood $U_x$ on which all but finitely many $f_alpha$ vanish. This clearly implies continuity.







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                                If $X$ is Hausdorff, the counterexample you give is essentially the only one: the implication holds iff the set of isolated points of $X$ has no limit point. Indeed, such continuous $f_alpha$ have to be supported on a finite set of isolated points, and a discontinuity of $sum f_alpha$ can only happen at a limit point of isolated points.



                                For general $X$, the condition you need is that there is no disjoint union of finite open sets that has a limit point.






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                                  If $X$ is Hausdorff, the counterexample you give is essentially the only one: the implication holds iff the set of isolated points of $X$ has no limit point. Indeed, such continuous $f_alpha$ have to be supported on a finite set of isolated points, and a discontinuity of $sum f_alpha$ can only happen at a limit point of isolated points.



                                  For general $X$, the condition you need is that there is no disjoint union of finite open sets that has a limit point.






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                                    If $X$ is Hausdorff, the counterexample you give is essentially the only one: the implication holds iff the set of isolated points of $X$ has no limit point. Indeed, such continuous $f_alpha$ have to be supported on a finite set of isolated points, and a discontinuity of $sum f_alpha$ can only happen at a limit point of isolated points.



                                    For general $X$, the condition you need is that there is no disjoint union of finite open sets that has a limit point.






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                                    If $X$ is Hausdorff, the counterexample you give is essentially the only one: the implication holds iff the set of isolated points of $X$ has no limit point. Indeed, such continuous $f_alpha$ have to be supported on a finite set of isolated points, and a discontinuity of $sum f_alpha$ can only happen at a limit point of isolated points.



                                    For general $X$, the condition you need is that there is no disjoint union of finite open sets that has a limit point.







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