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i have a web server, that has my own messaging system implemented.
I am at phase, when i need to create API, that checks, if the user has new message(s).
My DB table is simple:



ID - Auto Increment, Primary Key (Bigint)
Sender - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
Recipient - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
Message - Varchar (256) //UTF8 BIN


I am considering to make an api, that will estimate, if there are new messages for given user. I am thinking to use one of these methods:



A) Select count(*) of messages where sender or recipient is me.

(if this number > previous number, I have new message)



B) Select max(ID) of messages where sender or recipient is me.

(if max(ID) > than previous number, I have new message)



My question is: Can i calculate somehow, what method will consume less server resources? Or is there some article? Maybe another method i not mentioned?










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    I think you would be better off by adding a timestamp column and checking against that value to see if there are newer records.

    – Dharman
    10 hours ago











  • Either querying a timestamp or the ID, use MAX() on that column, and make sure it's indexed with (user_id, timestamp).

    – The Impaler
    10 hours ago











  • @Dharman i was thinking of it. But it costs extra DB space, also i am not sure if it will be faster than one of my methods. I am storing the simple number (of current messages) in usernames table

    – FeHora
    9 hours ago






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    Calculate? No idea. But you can measure it. Fire off a few thousands of each query and watch machine metrics (cpu%, mem%, load average, etc.)

    – Sergio Tulentsev
    9 hours ago






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    While there is a good answer to this question below, I suspect you might be optimizing on something that turns out not to be important. And unless you anticipate having literally millions of messages, I wouldn't worry about disk space, especially because the timestamp is small compared to your other fields. If you add timestamps, your table will be about 5MB larger for each million messages. That's really nothing.

    – Jerry
    9 hours ago


















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i have a web server, that has my own messaging system implemented.
I am at phase, when i need to create API, that checks, if the user has new message(s).
My DB table is simple:



ID - Auto Increment, Primary Key (Bigint)
Sender - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
Recipient - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
Message - Varchar (256) //UTF8 BIN


I am considering to make an api, that will estimate, if there are new messages for given user. I am thinking to use one of these methods:



A) Select count(*) of messages where sender or recipient is me.

(if this number > previous number, I have new message)



B) Select max(ID) of messages where sender or recipient is me.

(if max(ID) > than previous number, I have new message)



My question is: Can i calculate somehow, what method will consume less server resources? Or is there some article? Maybe another method i not mentioned?










share|improve this question




















  • 3





    I think you would be better off by adding a timestamp column and checking against that value to see if there are newer records.

    – Dharman
    10 hours ago











  • Either querying a timestamp or the ID, use MAX() on that column, and make sure it's indexed with (user_id, timestamp).

    – The Impaler
    10 hours ago











  • @Dharman i was thinking of it. But it costs extra DB space, also i am not sure if it will be faster than one of my methods. I am storing the simple number (of current messages) in usernames table

    – FeHora
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    Calculate? No idea. But you can measure it. Fire off a few thousands of each query and watch machine metrics (cpu%, mem%, load average, etc.)

    – Sergio Tulentsev
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    While there is a good answer to this question below, I suspect you might be optimizing on something that turns out not to be important. And unless you anticipate having literally millions of messages, I wouldn't worry about disk space, especially because the timestamp is small compared to your other fields. If you add timestamps, your table will be about 5MB larger for each million messages. That's really nothing.

    – Jerry
    9 hours ago














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i have a web server, that has my own messaging system implemented.
I am at phase, when i need to create API, that checks, if the user has new message(s).
My DB table is simple:



ID - Auto Increment, Primary Key (Bigint)
Sender - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
Recipient - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
Message - Varchar (256) //UTF8 BIN


I am considering to make an api, that will estimate, if there are new messages for given user. I am thinking to use one of these methods:



A) Select count(*) of messages where sender or recipient is me.

(if this number > previous number, I have new message)



B) Select max(ID) of messages where sender or recipient is me.

(if max(ID) > than previous number, I have new message)



My question is: Can i calculate somehow, what method will consume less server resources? Or is there some article? Maybe another method i not mentioned?










share|improve this question
















i have a web server, that has my own messaging system implemented.
I am at phase, when i need to create API, that checks, if the user has new message(s).
My DB table is simple:



ID - Auto Increment, Primary Key (Bigint)
Sender - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
Recipient - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
Message - Varchar (256) //UTF8 BIN


I am considering to make an api, that will estimate, if there are new messages for given user. I am thinking to use one of these methods:



A) Select count(*) of messages where sender or recipient is me.

(if this number > previous number, I have new message)



B) Select max(ID) of messages where sender or recipient is me.

(if max(ID) > than previous number, I have new message)



My question is: Can i calculate somehow, what method will consume less server resources? Or is there some article? Maybe another method i not mentioned?







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    I think you would be better off by adding a timestamp column and checking against that value to see if there are newer records.

    – Dharman
    10 hours ago











  • Either querying a timestamp or the ID, use MAX() on that column, and make sure it's indexed with (user_id, timestamp).

    – The Impaler
    10 hours ago











  • @Dharman i was thinking of it. But it costs extra DB space, also i am not sure if it will be faster than one of my methods. I am storing the simple number (of current messages) in usernames table

    – FeHora
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    Calculate? No idea. But you can measure it. Fire off a few thousands of each query and watch machine metrics (cpu%, mem%, load average, etc.)

    – Sergio Tulentsev
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    While there is a good answer to this question below, I suspect you might be optimizing on something that turns out not to be important. And unless you anticipate having literally millions of messages, I wouldn't worry about disk space, especially because the timestamp is small compared to your other fields. If you add timestamps, your table will be about 5MB larger for each million messages. That's really nothing.

    – Jerry
    9 hours ago














  • 3





    I think you would be better off by adding a timestamp column and checking against that value to see if there are newer records.

    – Dharman
    10 hours ago











  • Either querying a timestamp or the ID, use MAX() on that column, and make sure it's indexed with (user_id, timestamp).

    – The Impaler
    10 hours ago











  • @Dharman i was thinking of it. But it costs extra DB space, also i am not sure if it will be faster than one of my methods. I am storing the simple number (of current messages) in usernames table

    – FeHora
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    Calculate? No idea. But you can measure it. Fire off a few thousands of each query and watch machine metrics (cpu%, mem%, load average, etc.)

    – Sergio Tulentsev
    9 hours ago






  • 1





    While there is a good answer to this question below, I suspect you might be optimizing on something that turns out not to be important. And unless you anticipate having literally millions of messages, I wouldn't worry about disk space, especially because the timestamp is small compared to your other fields. If you add timestamps, your table will be about 5MB larger for each million messages. That's really nothing.

    – Jerry
    9 hours ago








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I think you would be better off by adding a timestamp column and checking against that value to see if there are newer records.

– Dharman
10 hours ago





I think you would be better off by adding a timestamp column and checking against that value to see if there are newer records.

– Dharman
10 hours ago













Either querying a timestamp or the ID, use MAX() on that column, and make sure it's indexed with (user_id, timestamp).

– The Impaler
10 hours ago





Either querying a timestamp or the ID, use MAX() on that column, and make sure it's indexed with (user_id, timestamp).

– The Impaler
10 hours ago













@Dharman i was thinking of it. But it costs extra DB space, also i am not sure if it will be faster than one of my methods. I am storing the simple number (of current messages) in usernames table

– FeHora
9 hours ago





@Dharman i was thinking of it. But it costs extra DB space, also i am not sure if it will be faster than one of my methods. I am storing the simple number (of current messages) in usernames table

– FeHora
9 hours ago




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Calculate? No idea. But you can measure it. Fire off a few thousands of each query and watch machine metrics (cpu%, mem%, load average, etc.)

– Sergio Tulentsev
9 hours ago





Calculate? No idea. But you can measure it. Fire off a few thousands of each query and watch machine metrics (cpu%, mem%, load average, etc.)

– Sergio Tulentsev
9 hours ago




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While there is a good answer to this question below, I suspect you might be optimizing on something that turns out not to be important. And unless you anticipate having literally millions of messages, I wouldn't worry about disk space, especially because the timestamp is small compared to your other fields. If you add timestamps, your table will be about 5MB larger for each million messages. That's really nothing.

– Jerry
9 hours ago





While there is a good answer to this question below, I suspect you might be optimizing on something that turns out not to be important. And unless you anticipate having literally millions of messages, I wouldn't worry about disk space, especially because the timestamp is small compared to your other fields. If you add timestamps, your table will be about 5MB larger for each million messages. That's really nothing.

– Jerry
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In MySQL InnoDB, SELECT COUNT(*) WHERE secondary_index = ? is an expensive operation and when the user has a lot of messages, this query might take a long time. Even when using an index, the engine still needs to count all matching records.



On the other hand, SELECT MAX(id) WHERE secondary_index = ? can deliver the highest id in that index very efficiently and runs in constant speed by doing a so-called loose index scan.



If you want to understand why, consider looking up the "B-Tree+" data structure which InnoDB uses to organise its data.



I suggest you go with SELECT MAX(id), if the requirement is only to check if there are new messages (and not the count of them).



Also, if you rely on the message count you might open a gap for race conditions. What if the user deletes a message and receives a new one between two polling intervals?






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  • refer: dba.stackexchange.com/questions/130780/mysql-count-performance

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    "SELECT MAX(id) will always use the primary index" - yeah, except for the cases when there's a where on an unindexed field.

    – Sergio Tulentsev
    9 hours ago











  • @SergioTulentsev i forgot to mention in my main post, sender and recipient are foreign keys to user-hash (ID) - primary key in users table. So it will be indexed always.

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    If there's an index on a, then SELECT MAX(id) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant uses a so-called loose index scan. Those are almost miraculously fast. SELECT COUNT(*) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant does a tight index scan, which is not as fast.

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    @FeHora i strongly suggest to setup some sort of test environment, a database with generated records for you to play with.

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To have the information that someone has new messages - do exactly that. Update the field in users table (I'm assuming that's the name) when a new message is recorded in the system. You have the recipient's ID, that's all you need. You can create an after insert trigger (assumption: there's users2messages table) that updates users table with a boolean flag indicating there's a message.



This approach is by far faster than counting indexes, be the index primary or secondary. When the user performs an action, you can update the users table with has_messages = 0, when a new message arrives - you update the table with has_messages = 1. It's simple, it works, it scales and using triggers to maintain it makes it easy and seamless.
I'm sure there will be nay-sayers who don't like triggers, you can do it manually at the point of associating a user with a new message.






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  • triggers aside, looking up a row using the PK and also reading it to check the boolean is still more expensive than executing a single loose index scan. It gets worse when you also add a WHERE clause to check the boolean flag because of the low cardinality even if you index that field. Sorry to tell you you that, but you have a misunderstanding there.

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  • @Mjh i know about that.. but it's definitely more expensive than my suggested methods, because it contains (at least) 1x update + 1x select

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    @Kaii SELECT has_messages FROM users WHERE id = 1; is the fastest query there is. It's an eq_ref which is infinitely faster than counting a number of records in the table. The boolean field is not in the WHERE clause, the primary key is. Please, assume better next time. In regards to updating the table: the update is fast as well, it handles a single row located using the primary key. If the field is already containing the value that you're updating to, no actual disk I/O occurs and there's a minimal performance penalty. Much less than counting the records. You can measure.

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If you need to know the number of new messages then using
Select count(*) from Messages where user_id in (sender, recipient) and id > last_seen_id would be your best option.



I'm a fan of using exists where possible, so to determine IF there are new messages, my query would be Select exists(Select 1 from Messages where user_id in (sender, recipient) and id > last_seen_id). The benefit of exists is that as soon as it finds 1 record it returns true.



Edit: To avoid any confusion in reading this answer, both of those queries would also include a check for other_user_id in (sender, recipient) in order to only return the messages between 2 specific users.






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    @FeHora You talk about not using keys to save db space. The table designs wastes more db space.



    ID - Auto Increment, Primary Key (Bigint)


    Is bigint really necessary? Let us assume, the a message is send every second. The a int unsigned is enough for 126 years. And if you have really so much messages, a key is mandatory.



    Sender - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
    Recipient - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table


    Why not using the UserID (usually an int unsigned).



    Then I would add a seen flags. Btw, you can add for all filed the attribute not null.



    seen tinyint not NULL.


    Last not least I recomment the variant of @Mjh : Define a flag has_messages, or new_messages, or both in the user record. Usually, the user record is loaded so it is NOT an additional database query.






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    • This messaging system is for a government-ish organization, 90% of messages are sent to users from systems (like temperature in room is above 30C ..etc etc).. It can generate millions of messages per hour, that's why i need to optimize every microsecond of server time. I cannot use UserID key because of reverse engineering + GDPR (EU thing). Long story short - i need to have everything encrypted and fast. every additional data field can cause a lot of extra unwanted database storage space.

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    In MySQL InnoDB, SELECT COUNT(*) WHERE secondary_index = ? is an expensive operation and when the user has a lot of messages, this query might take a long time. Even when using an index, the engine still needs to count all matching records.



    On the other hand, SELECT MAX(id) WHERE secondary_index = ? can deliver the highest id in that index very efficiently and runs in constant speed by doing a so-called loose index scan.



    If you want to understand why, consider looking up the "B-Tree+" data structure which InnoDB uses to organise its data.



    I suggest you go with SELECT MAX(id), if the requirement is only to check if there are new messages (and not the count of them).



    Also, if you rely on the message count you might open a gap for race conditions. What if the user deletes a message and receives a new one between two polling intervals?






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    • refer: dba.stackexchange.com/questions/130780/mysql-count-performance

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      "SELECT MAX(id) will always use the primary index" - yeah, except for the cases when there's a where on an unindexed field.

      – Sergio Tulentsev
      9 hours ago











    • @SergioTulentsev i forgot to mention in my main post, sender and recipient are foreign keys to user-hash (ID) - primary key in users table. So it will be indexed always.

      – FeHora
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      If there's an index on a, then SELECT MAX(id) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant uses a so-called loose index scan. Those are almost miraculously fast. SELECT COUNT(*) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant does a tight index scan, which is not as fast.

      – O. Jones
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      @FeHora i strongly suggest to setup some sort of test environment, a database with generated records for you to play with.

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    In MySQL InnoDB, SELECT COUNT(*) WHERE secondary_index = ? is an expensive operation and when the user has a lot of messages, this query might take a long time. Even when using an index, the engine still needs to count all matching records.



    On the other hand, SELECT MAX(id) WHERE secondary_index = ? can deliver the highest id in that index very efficiently and runs in constant speed by doing a so-called loose index scan.



    If you want to understand why, consider looking up the "B-Tree+" data structure which InnoDB uses to organise its data.



    I suggest you go with SELECT MAX(id), if the requirement is only to check if there are new messages (and not the count of them).



    Also, if you rely on the message count you might open a gap for race conditions. What if the user deletes a message and receives a new one between two polling intervals?






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    • refer: dba.stackexchange.com/questions/130780/mysql-count-performance

      – Kaii
      9 hours ago






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      "SELECT MAX(id) will always use the primary index" - yeah, except for the cases when there's a where on an unindexed field.

      – Sergio Tulentsev
      9 hours ago











    • @SergioTulentsev i forgot to mention in my main post, sender and recipient are foreign keys to user-hash (ID) - primary key in users table. So it will be indexed always.

      – FeHora
      9 hours ago








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      If there's an index on a, then SELECT MAX(id) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant uses a so-called loose index scan. Those are almost miraculously fast. SELECT COUNT(*) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant does a tight index scan, which is not as fast.

      – O. Jones
      9 hours ago








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      @FeHora i strongly suggest to setup some sort of test environment, a database with generated records for you to play with.

      – Kaii
      9 hours ago
















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    In MySQL InnoDB, SELECT COUNT(*) WHERE secondary_index = ? is an expensive operation and when the user has a lot of messages, this query might take a long time. Even when using an index, the engine still needs to count all matching records.



    On the other hand, SELECT MAX(id) WHERE secondary_index = ? can deliver the highest id in that index very efficiently and runs in constant speed by doing a so-called loose index scan.



    If you want to understand why, consider looking up the "B-Tree+" data structure which InnoDB uses to organise its data.



    I suggest you go with SELECT MAX(id), if the requirement is only to check if there are new messages (and not the count of them).



    Also, if you rely on the message count you might open a gap for race conditions. What if the user deletes a message and receives a new one between two polling intervals?






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    In MySQL InnoDB, SELECT COUNT(*) WHERE secondary_index = ? is an expensive operation and when the user has a lot of messages, this query might take a long time. Even when using an index, the engine still needs to count all matching records.



    On the other hand, SELECT MAX(id) WHERE secondary_index = ? can deliver the highest id in that index very efficiently and runs in constant speed by doing a so-called loose index scan.



    If you want to understand why, consider looking up the "B-Tree+" data structure which InnoDB uses to organise its data.



    I suggest you go with SELECT MAX(id), if the requirement is only to check if there are new messages (and not the count of them).



    Also, if you rely on the message count you might open a gap for race conditions. What if the user deletes a message and receives a new one between two polling intervals?







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    • refer: dba.stackexchange.com/questions/130780/mysql-count-performance

      – Kaii
      9 hours ago






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      "SELECT MAX(id) will always use the primary index" - yeah, except for the cases when there's a where on an unindexed field.

      – Sergio Tulentsev
      9 hours ago











    • @SergioTulentsev i forgot to mention in my main post, sender and recipient are foreign keys to user-hash (ID) - primary key in users table. So it will be indexed always.

      – FeHora
      9 hours ago








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      If there's an index on a, then SELECT MAX(id) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant uses a so-called loose index scan. Those are almost miraculously fast. SELECT COUNT(*) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant does a tight index scan, which is not as fast.

      – O. Jones
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      @FeHora i strongly suggest to setup some sort of test environment, a database with generated records for you to play with.

      – Kaii
      9 hours ago





















    • refer: dba.stackexchange.com/questions/130780/mysql-count-performance

      – Kaii
      9 hours ago






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      "SELECT MAX(id) will always use the primary index" - yeah, except for the cases when there's a where on an unindexed field.

      – Sergio Tulentsev
      9 hours ago











    • @SergioTulentsev i forgot to mention in my main post, sender and recipient are foreign keys to user-hash (ID) - primary key in users table. So it will be indexed always.

      – FeHora
      9 hours ago








    • 4





      If there's an index on a, then SELECT MAX(id) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant uses a so-called loose index scan. Those are almost miraculously fast. SELECT COUNT(*) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant does a tight index scan, which is not as fast.

      – O. Jones
      9 hours ago








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      @FeHora i strongly suggest to setup some sort of test environment, a database with generated records for you to play with.

      – Kaii
      9 hours ago



















    refer: dba.stackexchange.com/questions/130780/mysql-count-performance

    – Kaii
    9 hours ago





    refer: dba.stackexchange.com/questions/130780/mysql-count-performance

    – Kaii
    9 hours ago




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    "SELECT MAX(id) will always use the primary index" - yeah, except for the cases when there's a where on an unindexed field.

    – Sergio Tulentsev
    9 hours ago





    "SELECT MAX(id) will always use the primary index" - yeah, except for the cases when there's a where on an unindexed field.

    – Sergio Tulentsev
    9 hours ago













    @SergioTulentsev i forgot to mention in my main post, sender and recipient are foreign keys to user-hash (ID) - primary key in users table. So it will be indexed always.

    – FeHora
    9 hours ago







    @SergioTulentsev i forgot to mention in my main post, sender and recipient are foreign keys to user-hash (ID) - primary key in users table. So it will be indexed always.

    – FeHora
    9 hours ago






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    If there's an index on a, then SELECT MAX(id) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant uses a so-called loose index scan. Those are almost miraculously fast. SELECT COUNT(*) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant does a tight index scan, which is not as fast.

    – O. Jones
    9 hours ago







    If there's an index on a, then SELECT MAX(id) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant uses a so-called loose index scan. Those are almost miraculously fast. SELECT COUNT(*) FROM tbl WHERE a=constant does a tight index scan, which is not as fast.

    – O. Jones
    9 hours ago






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    @FeHora i strongly suggest to setup some sort of test environment, a database with generated records for you to play with.

    – Kaii
    9 hours ago







    @FeHora i strongly suggest to setup some sort of test environment, a database with generated records for you to play with.

    – Kaii
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    To have the information that someone has new messages - do exactly that. Update the field in users table (I'm assuming that's the name) when a new message is recorded in the system. You have the recipient's ID, that's all you need. You can create an after insert trigger (assumption: there's users2messages table) that updates users table with a boolean flag indicating there's a message.



    This approach is by far faster than counting indexes, be the index primary or secondary. When the user performs an action, you can update the users table with has_messages = 0, when a new message arrives - you update the table with has_messages = 1. It's simple, it works, it scales and using triggers to maintain it makes it easy and seamless.
    I'm sure there will be nay-sayers who don't like triggers, you can do it manually at the point of associating a user with a new message.






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    • triggers aside, looking up a row using the PK and also reading it to check the boolean is still more expensive than executing a single loose index scan. It gets worse when you also add a WHERE clause to check the boolean flag because of the low cardinality even if you index that field. Sorry to tell you you that, but you have a misunderstanding there.

      – Kaii
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    • @Mjh i know about that.. but it's definitely more expensive than my suggested methods, because it contains (at least) 1x update + 1x select

      – FeHora
      8 hours ago






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      @Kaii SELECT has_messages FROM users WHERE id = 1; is the fastest query there is. It's an eq_ref which is infinitely faster than counting a number of records in the table. The boolean field is not in the WHERE clause, the primary key is. Please, assume better next time. In regards to updating the table: the update is fast as well, it handles a single row located using the primary key. If the field is already containing the value that you're updating to, no actual disk I/O occurs and there's a minimal performance penalty. Much less than counting the records. You can measure.

      – Mjh
      8 hours ago


















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    To have the information that someone has new messages - do exactly that. Update the field in users table (I'm assuming that's the name) when a new message is recorded in the system. You have the recipient's ID, that's all you need. You can create an after insert trigger (assumption: there's users2messages table) that updates users table with a boolean flag indicating there's a message.



    This approach is by far faster than counting indexes, be the index primary or secondary. When the user performs an action, you can update the users table with has_messages = 0, when a new message arrives - you update the table with has_messages = 1. It's simple, it works, it scales and using triggers to maintain it makes it easy and seamless.
    I'm sure there will be nay-sayers who don't like triggers, you can do it manually at the point of associating a user with a new message.






    share|improve this answer
























    • triggers aside, looking up a row using the PK and also reading it to check the boolean is still more expensive than executing a single loose index scan. It gets worse when you also add a WHERE clause to check the boolean flag because of the low cardinality even if you index that field. Sorry to tell you you that, but you have a misunderstanding there.

      – Kaii
      9 hours ago













    • @Mjh i know about that.. but it's definitely more expensive than my suggested methods, because it contains (at least) 1x update + 1x select

      – FeHora
      8 hours ago






    • 1





      @Kaii SELECT has_messages FROM users WHERE id = 1; is the fastest query there is. It's an eq_ref which is infinitely faster than counting a number of records in the table. The boolean field is not in the WHERE clause, the primary key is. Please, assume better next time. In regards to updating the table: the update is fast as well, it handles a single row located using the primary key. If the field is already containing the value that you're updating to, no actual disk I/O occurs and there's a minimal performance penalty. Much less than counting the records. You can measure.

      – Mjh
      8 hours ago
















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    To have the information that someone has new messages - do exactly that. Update the field in users table (I'm assuming that's the name) when a new message is recorded in the system. You have the recipient's ID, that's all you need. You can create an after insert trigger (assumption: there's users2messages table) that updates users table with a boolean flag indicating there's a message.



    This approach is by far faster than counting indexes, be the index primary or secondary. When the user performs an action, you can update the users table with has_messages = 0, when a new message arrives - you update the table with has_messages = 1. It's simple, it works, it scales and using triggers to maintain it makes it easy and seamless.
    I'm sure there will be nay-sayers who don't like triggers, you can do it manually at the point of associating a user with a new message.






    share|improve this answer













    To have the information that someone has new messages - do exactly that. Update the field in users table (I'm assuming that's the name) when a new message is recorded in the system. You have the recipient's ID, that's all you need. You can create an after insert trigger (assumption: there's users2messages table) that updates users table with a boolean flag indicating there's a message.



    This approach is by far faster than counting indexes, be the index primary or secondary. When the user performs an action, you can update the users table with has_messages = 0, when a new message arrives - you update the table with has_messages = 1. It's simple, it works, it scales and using triggers to maintain it makes it easy and seamless.
    I'm sure there will be nay-sayers who don't like triggers, you can do it manually at the point of associating a user with a new message.







    share|improve this answer












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    answered 9 hours ago









    MjhMjh

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    • triggers aside, looking up a row using the PK and also reading it to check the boolean is still more expensive than executing a single loose index scan. It gets worse when you also add a WHERE clause to check the boolean flag because of the low cardinality even if you index that field. Sorry to tell you you that, but you have a misunderstanding there.

      – Kaii
      9 hours ago













    • @Mjh i know about that.. but it's definitely more expensive than my suggested methods, because it contains (at least) 1x update + 1x select

      – FeHora
      8 hours ago






    • 1





      @Kaii SELECT has_messages FROM users WHERE id = 1; is the fastest query there is. It's an eq_ref which is infinitely faster than counting a number of records in the table. The boolean field is not in the WHERE clause, the primary key is. Please, assume better next time. In regards to updating the table: the update is fast as well, it handles a single row located using the primary key. If the field is already containing the value that you're updating to, no actual disk I/O occurs and there's a minimal performance penalty. Much less than counting the records. You can measure.

      – Mjh
      8 hours ago





















    • triggers aside, looking up a row using the PK and also reading it to check the boolean is still more expensive than executing a single loose index scan. It gets worse when you also add a WHERE clause to check the boolean flag because of the low cardinality even if you index that field. Sorry to tell you you that, but you have a misunderstanding there.

      – Kaii
      9 hours ago













    • @Mjh i know about that.. but it's definitely more expensive than my suggested methods, because it contains (at least) 1x update + 1x select

      – FeHora
      8 hours ago






    • 1





      @Kaii SELECT has_messages FROM users WHERE id = 1; is the fastest query there is. It's an eq_ref which is infinitely faster than counting a number of records in the table. The boolean field is not in the WHERE clause, the primary key is. Please, assume better next time. In regards to updating the table: the update is fast as well, it handles a single row located using the primary key. If the field is already containing the value that you're updating to, no actual disk I/O occurs and there's a minimal performance penalty. Much less than counting the records. You can measure.

      – Mjh
      8 hours ago



















    triggers aside, looking up a row using the PK and also reading it to check the boolean is still more expensive than executing a single loose index scan. It gets worse when you also add a WHERE clause to check the boolean flag because of the low cardinality even if you index that field. Sorry to tell you you that, but you have a misunderstanding there.

    – Kaii
    9 hours ago







    triggers aside, looking up a row using the PK and also reading it to check the boolean is still more expensive than executing a single loose index scan. It gets worse when you also add a WHERE clause to check the boolean flag because of the low cardinality even if you index that field. Sorry to tell you you that, but you have a misunderstanding there.

    – Kaii
    9 hours ago















    @Mjh i know about that.. but it's definitely more expensive than my suggested methods, because it contains (at least) 1x update + 1x select

    – FeHora
    8 hours ago





    @Mjh i know about that.. but it's definitely more expensive than my suggested methods, because it contains (at least) 1x update + 1x select

    – FeHora
    8 hours ago




    1




    1





    @Kaii SELECT has_messages FROM users WHERE id = 1; is the fastest query there is. It's an eq_ref which is infinitely faster than counting a number of records in the table. The boolean field is not in the WHERE clause, the primary key is. Please, assume better next time. In regards to updating the table: the update is fast as well, it handles a single row located using the primary key. If the field is already containing the value that you're updating to, no actual disk I/O occurs and there's a minimal performance penalty. Much less than counting the records. You can measure.

    – Mjh
    8 hours ago







    @Kaii SELECT has_messages FROM users WHERE id = 1; is the fastest query there is. It's an eq_ref which is infinitely faster than counting a number of records in the table. The boolean field is not in the WHERE clause, the primary key is. Please, assume better next time. In regards to updating the table: the update is fast as well, it handles a single row located using the primary key. If the field is already containing the value that you're updating to, no actual disk I/O occurs and there's a minimal performance penalty. Much less than counting the records. You can measure.

    – Mjh
    8 hours ago













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    If you need to know the number of new messages then using
    Select count(*) from Messages where user_id in (sender, recipient) and id > last_seen_id would be your best option.



    I'm a fan of using exists where possible, so to determine IF there are new messages, my query would be Select exists(Select 1 from Messages where user_id in (sender, recipient) and id > last_seen_id). The benefit of exists is that as soon as it finds 1 record it returns true.



    Edit: To avoid any confusion in reading this answer, both of those queries would also include a check for other_user_id in (sender, recipient) in order to only return the messages between 2 specific users.






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      If you need to know the number of new messages then using
      Select count(*) from Messages where user_id in (sender, recipient) and id > last_seen_id would be your best option.



      I'm a fan of using exists where possible, so to determine IF there are new messages, my query would be Select exists(Select 1 from Messages where user_id in (sender, recipient) and id > last_seen_id). The benefit of exists is that as soon as it finds 1 record it returns true.



      Edit: To avoid any confusion in reading this answer, both of those queries would also include a check for other_user_id in (sender, recipient) in order to only return the messages between 2 specific users.






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        If you need to know the number of new messages then using
        Select count(*) from Messages where user_id in (sender, recipient) and id > last_seen_id would be your best option.



        I'm a fan of using exists where possible, so to determine IF there are new messages, my query would be Select exists(Select 1 from Messages where user_id in (sender, recipient) and id > last_seen_id). The benefit of exists is that as soon as it finds 1 record it returns true.



        Edit: To avoid any confusion in reading this answer, both of those queries would also include a check for other_user_id in (sender, recipient) in order to only return the messages between 2 specific users.






        share|improve this answer















        If you need to know the number of new messages then using
        Select count(*) from Messages where user_id in (sender, recipient) and id > last_seen_id would be your best option.



        I'm a fan of using exists where possible, so to determine IF there are new messages, my query would be Select exists(Select 1 from Messages where user_id in (sender, recipient) and id > last_seen_id). The benefit of exists is that as soon as it finds 1 record it returns true.



        Edit: To avoid any confusion in reading this answer, both of those queries would also include a check for other_user_id in (sender, recipient) in order to only return the messages between 2 specific users.







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            @FeHora You talk about not using keys to save db space. The table designs wastes more db space.



            ID - Auto Increment, Primary Key (Bigint)


            Is bigint really necessary? Let us assume, the a message is send every second. The a int unsigned is enough for 126 years. And if you have really so much messages, a key is mandatory.



            Sender - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
            Recipient - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table


            Why not using the UserID (usually an int unsigned).



            Then I would add a seen flags. Btw, you can add for all filed the attribute not null.



            seen tinyint not NULL.


            Last not least I recomment the variant of @Mjh : Define a flag has_messages, or new_messages, or both in the user record. Usually, the user record is loaded so it is NOT an additional database query.






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            • This messaging system is for a government-ish organization, 90% of messages are sent to users from systems (like temperature in room is above 30C ..etc etc).. It can generate millions of messages per hour, that's why i need to optimize every microsecond of server time. I cannot use UserID key because of reverse engineering + GDPR (EU thing). Long story short - i need to have everything encrypted and fast. every additional data field can cause a lot of extra unwanted database storage space.

              – FeHora
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            @FeHora You talk about not using keys to save db space. The table designs wastes more db space.



            ID - Auto Increment, Primary Key (Bigint)


            Is bigint really necessary? Let us assume, the a message is send every second. The a int unsigned is enough for 126 years. And if you have really so much messages, a key is mandatory.



            Sender - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
            Recipient - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table


            Why not using the UserID (usually an int unsigned).



            Then I would add a seen flags. Btw, you can add for all filed the attribute not null.



            seen tinyint not NULL.


            Last not least I recomment the variant of @Mjh : Define a flag has_messages, or new_messages, or both in the user record. Usually, the user record is loaded so it is NOT an additional database query.






            share|improve this answer
























            • This messaging system is for a government-ish organization, 90% of messages are sent to users from systems (like temperature in room is above 30C ..etc etc).. It can generate millions of messages per hour, that's why i need to optimize every microsecond of server time. I cannot use UserID key because of reverse engineering + GDPR (EU thing). Long story short - i need to have everything encrypted and fast. every additional data field can cause a lot of extra unwanted database storage space.

              – FeHora
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            @FeHora You talk about not using keys to save db space. The table designs wastes more db space.



            ID - Auto Increment, Primary Key (Bigint)


            Is bigint really necessary? Let us assume, the a message is send every second. The a int unsigned is enough for 126 years. And if you have really so much messages, a key is mandatory.



            Sender - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
            Recipient - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table


            Why not using the UserID (usually an int unsigned).



            Then I would add a seen flags. Btw, you can add for all filed the attribute not null.



            seen tinyint not NULL.


            Last not least I recomment the variant of @Mjh : Define a flag has_messages, or new_messages, or both in the user record. Usually, the user record is loaded so it is NOT an additional database query.






            share|improve this answer













            @FeHora You talk about not using keys to save db space. The table designs wastes more db space.



            ID - Auto Increment, Primary Key (Bigint)


            Is bigint really necessary? Let us assume, the a message is send every second. The a int unsigned is enough for 126 years. And if you have really so much messages, a key is mandatory.



            Sender - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table
            Recipient - Varchar (32) // Foreign Key to UserID hash from Users DB Table


            Why not using the UserID (usually an int unsigned).



            Then I would add a seen flags. Btw, you can add for all filed the attribute not null.



            seen tinyint not NULL.


            Last not least I recomment the variant of @Mjh : Define a flag has_messages, or new_messages, or both in the user record. Usually, the user record is loaded so it is NOT an additional database query.







            share|improve this answer












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            answered 27 mins ago









            WiimmWiimm

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            • This messaging system is for a government-ish organization, 90% of messages are sent to users from systems (like temperature in room is above 30C ..etc etc).. It can generate millions of messages per hour, that's why i need to optimize every microsecond of server time. I cannot use UserID key because of reverse engineering + GDPR (EU thing). Long story short - i need to have everything encrypted and fast. every additional data field can cause a lot of extra unwanted database storage space.

              – FeHora
              2 mins ago



















            • This messaging system is for a government-ish organization, 90% of messages are sent to users from systems (like temperature in room is above 30C ..etc etc).. It can generate millions of messages per hour, that's why i need to optimize every microsecond of server time. I cannot use UserID key because of reverse engineering + GDPR (EU thing). Long story short - i need to have everything encrypted and fast. every additional data field can cause a lot of extra unwanted database storage space.

              – FeHora
              2 mins ago

















            This messaging system is for a government-ish organization, 90% of messages are sent to users from systems (like temperature in room is above 30C ..etc etc).. It can generate millions of messages per hour, that's why i need to optimize every microsecond of server time. I cannot use UserID key because of reverse engineering + GDPR (EU thing). Long story short - i need to have everything encrypted and fast. every additional data field can cause a lot of extra unwanted database storage space.

            – FeHora
            2 mins ago





            This messaging system is for a government-ish organization, 90% of messages are sent to users from systems (like temperature in room is above 30C ..etc etc).. It can generate millions of messages per hour, that's why i need to optimize every microsecond of server time. I cannot use UserID key because of reverse engineering + GDPR (EU thing). Long story short - i need to have everything encrypted and fast. every additional data field can cause a lot of extra unwanted database storage space.

            – FeHora
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