Continuity proof of a function between $L^p$ spaces
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The following question was part of an advanced calculus of variations class. A solution was presented, being different and way more simple then the proof being presented in the literature.
Let $Omega subset mathbb{R}^n$ be an open, bounded and connected set. Let $g: bar{Omega} times mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ be a function such that
$$
gin C^0(bar{Omega} times mathbb{R})
$$
as well as a growth estimate for all $x in bar{Omega}$
$$
|g(x,t)|leq C_1+C_2|t|^{r/p}
$$
Proof that the function $h: L^r(Omega)to L^p(Omega), phi to g(cdot,phi(cdot))$ is continuous.
The proof presented included the following steps:
For an arbitrary $phi_0 in L^r(Omega)$ and $z in L^r(Omega)$, consider the function $f:L^r(Omega)to L^p(Omega), z to g(cdot,phi_0+z)-g(cdot,phi_0)$ and study its continuity at $z(cdot)=0$. Note that $f(cdot,0)=0$. Using the growth estimate, one can derive a similar estimate for $f$ of the form:
$$
|f(x,z(x)|leq A_1+A_2 |phi_0(x)|^{r/p}+A_3|z(x)|^{r/p}
$$
So far, so good. Up until this point, I am confident the solution is correct.
In the last steps, I have my doubts if it is really that simple:
Now, taking any sequence $z_n xrightarrow{L^r}0$, we have that $z_n to 0$ pointwise a.e. and using the estimate for $f$ from above
$$
int_{Omega} |f(x,z_n(x))|^p leq int_{Omega}D_1+D_2 |phi_0(x)|^{r}+D_3|z_n(x)|^{r} leq infty
$$
the dominated convergence theorem can be applied. This should yield the result by using the continuity of $g$:
$$
lim_{n to infty} int_{Omega} |f(x,z_n(x))|^p=int_{Omega} lim_{n to infty}|f(x,z_n(x))|^p=int_{Omega} |f(x,0)|^p
$$
Can somebody please double check the last steps if the solution is actually correct?
The original solution suggested to split up the integral $int_{Omega} |f(x,z_n(x))|^p$ in 2 parts: One part of $Omega$, where the integrand is small due to $z_n$ being small in the $L^r$ sense, and the other part of $Omega$ ,where the grwoth estimates could be used, but the set where $|z_n| geq delta$ was small.
Appendix: As pointed out in the answer, the argument was flawed in the sense that we assumed $z_n to 0$ a.e pointwise. However, this is only correct for a subsequence. There seems to be no straight-forward way to proof that $int_{Omega} lim_{n to infty}|f(x,z_n(x))|^p=int_{Omega} |f(x,0)|^p$ without splitting up $Omega$ into different parts. Convergence in measure does require such a split.
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The following question was part of an advanced calculus of variations class. A solution was presented, being different and way more simple then the proof being presented in the literature.
Let $Omega subset mathbb{R}^n$ be an open, bounded and connected set. Let $g: bar{Omega} times mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ be a function such that
$$
gin C^0(bar{Omega} times mathbb{R})
$$
as well as a growth estimate for all $x in bar{Omega}$
$$
|g(x,t)|leq C_1+C_2|t|^{r/p}
$$
Proof that the function $h: L^r(Omega)to L^p(Omega), phi to g(cdot,phi(cdot))$ is continuous.
The proof presented included the following steps:
For an arbitrary $phi_0 in L^r(Omega)$ and $z in L^r(Omega)$, consider the function $f:L^r(Omega)to L^p(Omega), z to g(cdot,phi_0+z)-g(cdot,phi_0)$ and study its continuity at $z(cdot)=0$. Note that $f(cdot,0)=0$. Using the growth estimate, one can derive a similar estimate for $f$ of the form:
$$
|f(x,z(x)|leq A_1+A_2 |phi_0(x)|^{r/p}+A_3|z(x)|^{r/p}
$$
So far, so good. Up until this point, I am confident the solution is correct.
In the last steps, I have my doubts if it is really that simple:
Now, taking any sequence $z_n xrightarrow{L^r}0$, we have that $z_n to 0$ pointwise a.e. and using the estimate for $f$ from above
$$
int_{Omega} |f(x,z_n(x))|^p leq int_{Omega}D_1+D_2 |phi_0(x)|^{r}+D_3|z_n(x)|^{r} leq infty
$$
the dominated convergence theorem can be applied. This should yield the result by using the continuity of $g$:
$$
lim_{n to infty} int_{Omega} |f(x,z_n(x))|^p=int_{Omega} lim_{n to infty}|f(x,z_n(x))|^p=int_{Omega} |f(x,0)|^p
$$
Can somebody please double check the last steps if the solution is actually correct?
The original solution suggested to split up the integral $int_{Omega} |f(x,z_n(x))|^p$ in 2 parts: One part of $Omega$, where the integrand is small due to $z_n$ being small in the $L^r$ sense, and the other part of $Omega$ ,where the grwoth estimates could be used, but the set where $|z_n| geq delta$ was small.
Appendix: As pointed out in the answer, the argument was flawed in the sense that we assumed $z_n to 0$ a.e pointwise. However, this is only correct for a subsequence. There seems to be no straight-forward way to proof that $int_{Omega} lim_{n to infty}|f(x,z_n(x))|^p=int_{Omega} |f(x,0)|^p$ without splitting up $Omega$ into different parts. Convergence in measure does require such a split.
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The following question was part of an advanced calculus of variations class. A solution was presented, being different and way more simple then the proof being presented in the literature.
Let $Omega subset mathbb{R}^n$ be an open, bounded and connected set. Let $g: bar{Omega} times mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ be a function such that
$$
gin C^0(bar{Omega} times mathbb{R})
$$
as well as a growth estimate for all $x in bar{Omega}$
$$
|g(x,t)|leq C_1+C_2|t|^{r/p}
$$
Proof that the function $h: L^r(Omega)to L^p(Omega), phi to g(cdot,phi(cdot))$ is continuous.
The proof presented included the following steps:
For an arbitrary $phi_0 in L^r(Omega)$ and $z in L^r(Omega)$, consider the function $f:L^r(Omega)to L^p(Omega), z to g(cdot,phi_0+z)-g(cdot,phi_0)$ and study its continuity at $z(cdot)=0$. Note that $f(cdot,0)=0$. Using the growth estimate, one can derive a similar estimate for $f$ of the form:
$$
|f(x,z(x)|leq A_1+A_2 |phi_0(x)|^{r/p}+A_3|z(x)|^{r/p}
$$
So far, so good. Up until this point, I am confident the solution is correct.
In the last steps, I have my doubts if it is really that simple:
Now, taking any sequence $z_n xrightarrow{L^r}0$, we have that $z_n to 0$ pointwise a.e. and using the estimate for $f$ from above
$$
int_{Omega} |f(x,z_n(x))|^p leq int_{Omega}D_1+D_2 |phi_0(x)|^{r}+D_3|z_n(x)|^{r} leq infty
$$
the dominated convergence theorem can be applied. This should yield the result by using the continuity of $g$:
$$
lim_{n to infty} int_{Omega} |f(x,z_n(x))|^p=int_{Omega} lim_{n to infty}|f(x,z_n(x))|^p=int_{Omega} |f(x,0)|^p
$$
Can somebody please double check the last steps if the solution is actually correct?
The original solution suggested to split up the integral $int_{Omega} |f(x,z_n(x))|^p$ in 2 parts: One part of $Omega$, where the integrand is small due to $z_n$ being small in the $L^r$ sense, and the other part of $Omega$ ,where the grwoth estimates could be used, but the set where $|z_n| geq delta$ was small.
Appendix: As pointed out in the answer, the argument was flawed in the sense that we assumed $z_n to 0$ a.e pointwise. However, this is only correct for a subsequence. There seems to be no straight-forward way to proof that $int_{Omega} lim_{n to infty}|f(x,z_n(x))|^p=int_{Omega} |f(x,0)|^p$ without splitting up $Omega$ into different parts. Convergence in measure does require such a split.
calculus functional-analysis proof-verification continuity lebesgue-integral
The following question was part of an advanced calculus of variations class. A solution was presented, being different and way more simple then the proof being presented in the literature.
Let $Omega subset mathbb{R}^n$ be an open, bounded and connected set. Let $g: bar{Omega} times mathbb{R} to mathbb{R}$ be a function such that
$$
gin C^0(bar{Omega} times mathbb{R})
$$
as well as a growth estimate for all $x in bar{Omega}$
$$
|g(x,t)|leq C_1+C_2|t|^{r/p}
$$
Proof that the function $h: L^r(Omega)to L^p(Omega), phi to g(cdot,phi(cdot))$ is continuous.
The proof presented included the following steps:
For an arbitrary $phi_0 in L^r(Omega)$ and $z in L^r(Omega)$, consider the function $f:L^r(Omega)to L^p(Omega), z to g(cdot,phi_0+z)-g(cdot,phi_0)$ and study its continuity at $z(cdot)=0$. Note that $f(cdot,0)=0$. Using the growth estimate, one can derive a similar estimate for $f$ of the form:
$$
|f(x,z(x)|leq A_1+A_2 |phi_0(x)|^{r/p}+A_3|z(x)|^{r/p}
$$
So far, so good. Up until this point, I am confident the solution is correct.
In the last steps, I have my doubts if it is really that simple:
Now, taking any sequence $z_n xrightarrow{L^r}0$, we have that $z_n to 0$ pointwise a.e. and using the estimate for $f$ from above
$$
int_{Omega} |f(x,z_n(x))|^p leq int_{Omega}D_1+D_2 |phi_0(x)|^{r}+D_3|z_n(x)|^{r} leq infty
$$
the dominated convergence theorem can be applied. This should yield the result by using the continuity of $g$:
$$
lim_{n to infty} int_{Omega} |f(x,z_n(x))|^p=int_{Omega} lim_{n to infty}|f(x,z_n(x))|^p=int_{Omega} |f(x,0)|^p
$$
Can somebody please double check the last steps if the solution is actually correct?
The original solution suggested to split up the integral $int_{Omega} |f(x,z_n(x))|^p$ in 2 parts: One part of $Omega$, where the integrand is small due to $z_n$ being small in the $L^r$ sense, and the other part of $Omega$ ,where the grwoth estimates could be used, but the set where $|z_n| geq delta$ was small.
Appendix: As pointed out in the answer, the argument was flawed in the sense that we assumed $z_n to 0$ a.e pointwise. However, this is only correct for a subsequence. There seems to be no straight-forward way to proof that $int_{Omega} lim_{n to infty}|f(x,z_n(x))|^p=int_{Omega} |f(x,0)|^p$ without splitting up $Omega$ into different parts. Convergence in measure does require such a split.
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in one part of your proof you have said:
$z_n to 0$ in $L^r$ then $z_n to 0$ pointwise.
That's not the case unfortunately, there is one standard counter example to this statement called the "Typewriter sequence":
consider the sequence of indicator functions defined on the interval $[0,1]$ $f_n=I[frac{n-2^k}{2^k},frac{n-2^k+1}{2^k}]$ whenever $k geq 0$ and $2^k leq n leq 2^{k+1}$.
You have that $f_n$ converges to $0$ in $L^1$ norm but $f_n$ doesn't converges to $0$ pointwise almost everywhere.
So maybe that's the why the author took that long way for the proof.
Best regards,
Andrea
Thanks for the answer. So is there still a (straightforward?) way to make sure that $z_n to 0$ in $L^r$ implies $lim_{n to infty} |f(x,phi_0(x)+z_n(x)|^p=|f(x,phi_0(x)|^p$ under the integral?
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:15
Convergence in measure seems somewhat reasonable for this purpose, but a first "eye-check" makes me think that it will lead to splitting up $Omega$ again in the sets where $z_n$ is small and one part where $z$ can be controlled by the growth estimate.
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:23
I've tought for a while on some more "straightforward" proof without splitting $Omega$ but I can't come to a conclusion. One result of $L^r$ spaces say that if you have convergence in norm, then you have convergence pointwise almost everywhere for a $textbf{subsequence}$... then applying dominate convergence to this subsequence doesn't answer any sort of questions about the Whole sequence…. in conclusion, I don't know.
– Andrea S.
Jul 7 at 13:42
I agree, convergence of a subsequence does not help at all. And convergence in measure is also not particularly helpful for something straightforward. Thanks again for your time!
– F. Conrad
Jul 7 at 14:44
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in one part of your proof you have said:
$z_n to 0$ in $L^r$ then $z_n to 0$ pointwise.
That's not the case unfortunately, there is one standard counter example to this statement called the "Typewriter sequence":
consider the sequence of indicator functions defined on the interval $[0,1]$ $f_n=I[frac{n-2^k}{2^k},frac{n-2^k+1}{2^k}]$ whenever $k geq 0$ and $2^k leq n leq 2^{k+1}$.
You have that $f_n$ converges to $0$ in $L^1$ norm but $f_n$ doesn't converges to $0$ pointwise almost everywhere.
So maybe that's the why the author took that long way for the proof.
Best regards,
Andrea
Thanks for the answer. So is there still a (straightforward?) way to make sure that $z_n to 0$ in $L^r$ implies $lim_{n to infty} |f(x,phi_0(x)+z_n(x)|^p=|f(x,phi_0(x)|^p$ under the integral?
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:15
Convergence in measure seems somewhat reasonable for this purpose, but a first "eye-check" makes me think that it will lead to splitting up $Omega$ again in the sets where $z_n$ is small and one part where $z$ can be controlled by the growth estimate.
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:23
I've tought for a while on some more "straightforward" proof without splitting $Omega$ but I can't come to a conclusion. One result of $L^r$ spaces say that if you have convergence in norm, then you have convergence pointwise almost everywhere for a $textbf{subsequence}$... then applying dominate convergence to this subsequence doesn't answer any sort of questions about the Whole sequence…. in conclusion, I don't know.
– Andrea S.
Jul 7 at 13:42
I agree, convergence of a subsequence does not help at all. And convergence in measure is also not particularly helpful for something straightforward. Thanks again for your time!
– F. Conrad
Jul 7 at 14:44
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up vote
1
down vote
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in one part of your proof you have said:
$z_n to 0$ in $L^r$ then $z_n to 0$ pointwise.
That's not the case unfortunately, there is one standard counter example to this statement called the "Typewriter sequence":
consider the sequence of indicator functions defined on the interval $[0,1]$ $f_n=I[frac{n-2^k}{2^k},frac{n-2^k+1}{2^k}]$ whenever $k geq 0$ and $2^k leq n leq 2^{k+1}$.
You have that $f_n$ converges to $0$ in $L^1$ norm but $f_n$ doesn't converges to $0$ pointwise almost everywhere.
So maybe that's the why the author took that long way for the proof.
Best regards,
Andrea
Thanks for the answer. So is there still a (straightforward?) way to make sure that $z_n to 0$ in $L^r$ implies $lim_{n to infty} |f(x,phi_0(x)+z_n(x)|^p=|f(x,phi_0(x)|^p$ under the integral?
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:15
Convergence in measure seems somewhat reasonable for this purpose, but a first "eye-check" makes me think that it will lead to splitting up $Omega$ again in the sets where $z_n$ is small and one part where $z$ can be controlled by the growth estimate.
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:23
I've tought for a while on some more "straightforward" proof without splitting $Omega$ but I can't come to a conclusion. One result of $L^r$ spaces say that if you have convergence in norm, then you have convergence pointwise almost everywhere for a $textbf{subsequence}$... then applying dominate convergence to this subsequence doesn't answer any sort of questions about the Whole sequence…. in conclusion, I don't know.
– Andrea S.
Jul 7 at 13:42
I agree, convergence of a subsequence does not help at all. And convergence in measure is also not particularly helpful for something straightforward. Thanks again for your time!
– F. Conrad
Jul 7 at 14:44
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in one part of your proof you have said:
$z_n to 0$ in $L^r$ then $z_n to 0$ pointwise.
That's not the case unfortunately, there is one standard counter example to this statement called the "Typewriter sequence":
consider the sequence of indicator functions defined on the interval $[0,1]$ $f_n=I[frac{n-2^k}{2^k},frac{n-2^k+1}{2^k}]$ whenever $k geq 0$ and $2^k leq n leq 2^{k+1}$.
You have that $f_n$ converges to $0$ in $L^1$ norm but $f_n$ doesn't converges to $0$ pointwise almost everywhere.
So maybe that's the why the author took that long way for the proof.
Best regards,
Andrea
in one part of your proof you have said:
$z_n to 0$ in $L^r$ then $z_n to 0$ pointwise.
That's not the case unfortunately, there is one standard counter example to this statement called the "Typewriter sequence":
consider the sequence of indicator functions defined on the interval $[0,1]$ $f_n=I[frac{n-2^k}{2^k},frac{n-2^k+1}{2^k}]$ whenever $k geq 0$ and $2^k leq n leq 2^{k+1}$.
You have that $f_n$ converges to $0$ in $L^1$ norm but $f_n$ doesn't converges to $0$ pointwise almost everywhere.
So maybe that's the why the author took that long way for the proof.
Best regards,
Andrea
answered Jul 6 at 22:04
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Thanks for the answer. So is there still a (straightforward?) way to make sure that $z_n to 0$ in $L^r$ implies $lim_{n to infty} |f(x,phi_0(x)+z_n(x)|^p=|f(x,phi_0(x)|^p$ under the integral?
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:15
Convergence in measure seems somewhat reasonable for this purpose, but a first "eye-check" makes me think that it will lead to splitting up $Omega$ again in the sets where $z_n$ is small and one part where $z$ can be controlled by the growth estimate.
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:23
I've tought for a while on some more "straightforward" proof without splitting $Omega$ but I can't come to a conclusion. One result of $L^r$ spaces say that if you have convergence in norm, then you have convergence pointwise almost everywhere for a $textbf{subsequence}$... then applying dominate convergence to this subsequence doesn't answer any sort of questions about the Whole sequence…. in conclusion, I don't know.
– Andrea S.
Jul 7 at 13:42
I agree, convergence of a subsequence does not help at all. And convergence in measure is also not particularly helpful for something straightforward. Thanks again for your time!
– F. Conrad
Jul 7 at 14:44
add a comment |
Thanks for the answer. So is there still a (straightforward?) way to make sure that $z_n to 0$ in $L^r$ implies $lim_{n to infty} |f(x,phi_0(x)+z_n(x)|^p=|f(x,phi_0(x)|^p$ under the integral?
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:15
Convergence in measure seems somewhat reasonable for this purpose, but a first "eye-check" makes me think that it will lead to splitting up $Omega$ again in the sets where $z_n$ is small and one part where $z$ can be controlled by the growth estimate.
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:23
I've tought for a while on some more "straightforward" proof without splitting $Omega$ but I can't come to a conclusion. One result of $L^r$ spaces say that if you have convergence in norm, then you have convergence pointwise almost everywhere for a $textbf{subsequence}$... then applying dominate convergence to this subsequence doesn't answer any sort of questions about the Whole sequence…. in conclusion, I don't know.
– Andrea S.
Jul 7 at 13:42
I agree, convergence of a subsequence does not help at all. And convergence in measure is also not particularly helpful for something straightforward. Thanks again for your time!
– F. Conrad
Jul 7 at 14:44
Thanks for the answer. So is there still a (straightforward?) way to make sure that $z_n to 0$ in $L^r$ implies $lim_{n to infty} |f(x,phi_0(x)+z_n(x)|^p=|f(x,phi_0(x)|^p$ under the integral?
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:15
Thanks for the answer. So is there still a (straightforward?) way to make sure that $z_n to 0$ in $L^r$ implies $lim_{n to infty} |f(x,phi_0(x)+z_n(x)|^p=|f(x,phi_0(x)|^p$ under the integral?
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:15
Convergence in measure seems somewhat reasonable for this purpose, but a first "eye-check" makes me think that it will lead to splitting up $Omega$ again in the sets where $z_n$ is small and one part where $z$ can be controlled by the growth estimate.
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:23
Convergence in measure seems somewhat reasonable for this purpose, but a first "eye-check" makes me think that it will lead to splitting up $Omega$ again in the sets where $z_n$ is small and one part where $z$ can be controlled by the growth estimate.
– F. Conrad
Jul 6 at 22:23
I've tought for a while on some more "straightforward" proof without splitting $Omega$ but I can't come to a conclusion. One result of $L^r$ spaces say that if you have convergence in norm, then you have convergence pointwise almost everywhere for a $textbf{subsequence}$... then applying dominate convergence to this subsequence doesn't answer any sort of questions about the Whole sequence…. in conclusion, I don't know.
– Andrea S.
Jul 7 at 13:42
I've tought for a while on some more "straightforward" proof without splitting $Omega$ but I can't come to a conclusion. One result of $L^r$ spaces say that if you have convergence in norm, then you have convergence pointwise almost everywhere for a $textbf{subsequence}$... then applying dominate convergence to this subsequence doesn't answer any sort of questions about the Whole sequence…. in conclusion, I don't know.
– Andrea S.
Jul 7 at 13:42
I agree, convergence of a subsequence does not help at all. And convergence in measure is also not particularly helpful for something straightforward. Thanks again for your time!
– F. Conrad
Jul 7 at 14:44
I agree, convergence of a subsequence does not help at all. And convergence in measure is also not particularly helpful for something straightforward. Thanks again for your time!
– F. Conrad
Jul 7 at 14:44
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