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I'm teaching myself linear control systems through various online materials and the book Linear Systems Theory and Design by Chen. I'm trying to understand controllability indices. Chen says that looking at the controllability matrix C as follows



$C=[B;AB;A^2B;...;A^nB];= [b_1;...;b_p;|;Ab_1;...;Ab_p;|;...|;A^{n-1}b_1;...;A^{n-1}b_p]$



that reading left to right, the columns are linearly independent until some column $A^ib_m$, which is dependent on the columns to the left - this makes sense - but that subsequent columns associated with $b_m$ (e.g. $A^{i+k}b_m$) are also linearly dependent on their proceeding columns, or that "once a column associated with $b_m$ becomes linearly dependent, then all columns associated with $b_m$ thereafter are linearly dependent". Unfortunately this last point isn't intuitive to me at all - if anyone can shed some light on this or help me see it I'd be very grateful!



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    I'm teaching myself linear control systems through various online materials and the book Linear Systems Theory and Design by Chen. I'm trying to understand controllability indices. Chen says that looking at the controllability matrix C as follows



    $C=[B;AB;A^2B;...;A^nB];= [b_1;...;b_p;|;Ab_1;...;Ab_p;|;...|;A^{n-1}b_1;...;A^{n-1}b_p]$



    that reading left to right, the columns are linearly independent until some column $A^ib_m$, which is dependent on the columns to the left - this makes sense - but that subsequent columns associated with $b_m$ (e.g. $A^{i+k}b_m$) are also linearly dependent on their proceeding columns, or that "once a column associated with $b_m$ becomes linearly dependent, then all columns associated with $b_m$ thereafter are linearly dependent". Unfortunately this last point isn't intuitive to me at all - if anyone can shed some light on this or help me see it I'd be very grateful!



    Thanks in advance for any help.



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      I'm teaching myself linear control systems through various online materials and the book Linear Systems Theory and Design by Chen. I'm trying to understand controllability indices. Chen says that looking at the controllability matrix C as follows



      $C=[B;AB;A^2B;...;A^nB];= [b_1;...;b_p;|;Ab_1;...;Ab_p;|;...|;A^{n-1}b_1;...;A^{n-1}b_p]$



      that reading left to right, the columns are linearly independent until some column $A^ib_m$, which is dependent on the columns to the left - this makes sense - but that subsequent columns associated with $b_m$ (e.g. $A^{i+k}b_m$) are also linearly dependent on their proceeding columns, or that "once a column associated with $b_m$ becomes linearly dependent, then all columns associated with $b_m$ thereafter are linearly dependent". Unfortunately this last point isn't intuitive to me at all - if anyone can shed some light on this or help me see it I'd be very grateful!



      Thanks in advance for any help.



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      I'm teaching myself linear control systems through various online materials and the book Linear Systems Theory and Design by Chen. I'm trying to understand controllability indices. Chen says that looking at the controllability matrix C as follows



      $C=[B;AB;A^2B;...;A^nB];= [b_1;...;b_p;|;Ab_1;...;Ab_p;|;...|;A^{n-1}b_1;...;A^{n-1}b_p]$



      that reading left to right, the columns are linearly independent until some column $A^ib_m$, which is dependent on the columns to the left - this makes sense - but that subsequent columns associated with $b_m$ (e.g. $A^{i+k}b_m$) are also linearly dependent on their proceeding columns, or that "once a column associated with $b_m$ becomes linearly dependent, then all columns associated with $b_m$ thereafter are linearly dependent". Unfortunately this last point isn't intuitive to me at all - if anyone can shed some light on this or help me see it I'd be very grateful!



      Thanks in advance for any help.



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          Say $A b_1$ is linearly dependent on the $b_i$, namely $A b_1 = lambda_i b_i$ (summation implicit). Then $A^2 b_1 = A lambda_i b_i = lambda_i A b_i$, so $A^2 b_1$ depends linearly on the columns $A b_i$ which are on its left.






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          • I think this answers your question perfectly. I just want to add some intuition as I had too difficulties understanding controllability indices. The $i$th controllability index gives the dimension of the reachable space by only using the $i$th input that is not reachable by using previous inputs. Therefore, if the system is controllable, the sum of the controllability indices are $n$.
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          • Right. Notice also that the initial ordering of the inputs may affect the list of indices.
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            Yes, it may affect the ordering of the indices but the values are invariant under the ordering of the inputs.
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          • That is true. However they are not invariant under ordering of the columns of the controllability matrix, which itself is arbitrary. We're getting away from the original question but I do find this issue confusing, so it's useful to register that the concepts are indeed not completely transparent.
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          I am studying the same subject now, from the same book and had exactly the same question you had.



          The answer by @Pait doesn't show that the resulting set $mathit{lambda_iAb_i}$ is a subset of the LHS vectors relative to $mathit{A^2b_1}$ in the controllability matrix. However I had understood it myself, and I will post it here for reference.



          Say $pmb{A^ib_m}$ is the first vector associated with $pmb{b_m}$ that is dependent on some of the vectors $pmb{v_k}$ at its left hand side (LHS).



          That is: $$pmb{A^ib_m}= sum_{k=1}^{i*m-1}alpha_kpmb{v_k} (1)$$
          Now, for the next vector associated with $pmb{b_m}$, i.e. $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$, we have: $$pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}= sum_{k=1}^{i*m-1}alpha_kpmb{Av_k} (2)$$
          Now we show (or clarify) that the set ${pmb{Av_k} | kinBbb{Z}, 1le k le (i*m-1)}$ is a subset of the vectors at LHS of $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$ in the controllability matrix.



          The sum in (1) can be split into:
          $$pmb{A^ib_m} = underbrace{sum_{k=0}^{i-1}alpha_{mk}^{'}pmb{A^kb_m}}_{Vectors which are\ associated with pmb{b_m}\ but are on LHS} + underbrace{(sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{1k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_1} +sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{2k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_2}+cdots+sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{(m-1)k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_{m-1}})}_{Vectors associated with pmb{b_j} columns\ which are before pmb{b_m} in the pmb{B} matrix}$$



          Now by multiplying by $pmb{A}$ on both sides:
          $$pmb{A^{i+1}b_m} = sum_{k=1}^{i}alpha_{mk}^{'}pmb{A^kb_m} + (sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{1k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_1} +sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{2k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_2}+cdots+sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{(m-1)k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_{m-1}})$$
          Clearly, the vectors in the summations are subset of the vectors that are at LHS of $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$ in the controllability matrix.






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            Say $A b_1$ is linearly dependent on the $b_i$, namely $A b_1 = lambda_i b_i$ (summation implicit). Then $A^2 b_1 = A lambda_i b_i = lambda_i A b_i$, so $A^2 b_1$ depends linearly on the columns $A b_i$ which are on its left.






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            • I think this answers your question perfectly. I just want to add some intuition as I had too difficulties understanding controllability indices. The $i$th controllability index gives the dimension of the reachable space by only using the $i$th input that is not reachable by using previous inputs. Therefore, if the system is controllable, the sum of the controllability indices are $n$.
              – obareey
              Mar 16 '15 at 17:58










            • Right. Notice also that the initial ordering of the inputs may affect the list of indices.
              – Pait
              Mar 16 '15 at 19:35






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              Yes, it may affect the ordering of the indices but the values are invariant under the ordering of the inputs.
              – obareey
              Mar 16 '15 at 21:15










            • That is true. However they are not invariant under ordering of the columns of the controllability matrix, which itself is arbitrary. We're getting away from the original question but I do find this issue confusing, so it's useful to register that the concepts are indeed not completely transparent.
              – Pait
              Mar 17 '15 at 12:41















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            Say $A b_1$ is linearly dependent on the $b_i$, namely $A b_1 = lambda_i b_i$ (summation implicit). Then $A^2 b_1 = A lambda_i b_i = lambda_i A b_i$, so $A^2 b_1$ depends linearly on the columns $A b_i$ which are on its left.






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            • I think this answers your question perfectly. I just want to add some intuition as I had too difficulties understanding controllability indices. The $i$th controllability index gives the dimension of the reachable space by only using the $i$th input that is not reachable by using previous inputs. Therefore, if the system is controllable, the sum of the controllability indices are $n$.
              – obareey
              Mar 16 '15 at 17:58










            • Right. Notice also that the initial ordering of the inputs may affect the list of indices.
              – Pait
              Mar 16 '15 at 19:35






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              Yes, it may affect the ordering of the indices but the values are invariant under the ordering of the inputs.
              – obareey
              Mar 16 '15 at 21:15










            • That is true. However they are not invariant under ordering of the columns of the controllability matrix, which itself is arbitrary. We're getting away from the original question but I do find this issue confusing, so it's useful to register that the concepts are indeed not completely transparent.
              – Pait
              Mar 17 '15 at 12:41













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            Say $A b_1$ is linearly dependent on the $b_i$, namely $A b_1 = lambda_i b_i$ (summation implicit). Then $A^2 b_1 = A lambda_i b_i = lambda_i A b_i$, so $A^2 b_1$ depends linearly on the columns $A b_i$ which are on its left.






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            Say $A b_1$ is linearly dependent on the $b_i$, namely $A b_1 = lambda_i b_i$ (summation implicit). Then $A^2 b_1 = A lambda_i b_i = lambda_i A b_i$, so $A^2 b_1$ depends linearly on the columns $A b_i$ which are on its left.







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            • I think this answers your question perfectly. I just want to add some intuition as I had too difficulties understanding controllability indices. The $i$th controllability index gives the dimension of the reachable space by only using the $i$th input that is not reachable by using previous inputs. Therefore, if the system is controllable, the sum of the controllability indices are $n$.
              – obareey
              Mar 16 '15 at 17:58










            • Right. Notice also that the initial ordering of the inputs may affect the list of indices.
              – Pait
              Mar 16 '15 at 19:35






            • 1




              Yes, it may affect the ordering of the indices but the values are invariant under the ordering of the inputs.
              – obareey
              Mar 16 '15 at 21:15










            • That is true. However they are not invariant under ordering of the columns of the controllability matrix, which itself is arbitrary. We're getting away from the original question but I do find this issue confusing, so it's useful to register that the concepts are indeed not completely transparent.
              – Pait
              Mar 17 '15 at 12:41


















            • I think this answers your question perfectly. I just want to add some intuition as I had too difficulties understanding controllability indices. The $i$th controllability index gives the dimension of the reachable space by only using the $i$th input that is not reachable by using previous inputs. Therefore, if the system is controllable, the sum of the controllability indices are $n$.
              – obareey
              Mar 16 '15 at 17:58










            • Right. Notice also that the initial ordering of the inputs may affect the list of indices.
              – Pait
              Mar 16 '15 at 19:35






            • 1




              Yes, it may affect the ordering of the indices but the values are invariant under the ordering of the inputs.
              – obareey
              Mar 16 '15 at 21:15










            • That is true. However they are not invariant under ordering of the columns of the controllability matrix, which itself is arbitrary. We're getting away from the original question but I do find this issue confusing, so it's useful to register that the concepts are indeed not completely transparent.
              – Pait
              Mar 17 '15 at 12:41
















            I think this answers your question perfectly. I just want to add some intuition as I had too difficulties understanding controllability indices. The $i$th controllability index gives the dimension of the reachable space by only using the $i$th input that is not reachable by using previous inputs. Therefore, if the system is controllable, the sum of the controllability indices are $n$.
            – obareey
            Mar 16 '15 at 17:58




            I think this answers your question perfectly. I just want to add some intuition as I had too difficulties understanding controllability indices. The $i$th controllability index gives the dimension of the reachable space by only using the $i$th input that is not reachable by using previous inputs. Therefore, if the system is controllable, the sum of the controllability indices are $n$.
            – obareey
            Mar 16 '15 at 17:58












            Right. Notice also that the initial ordering of the inputs may affect the list of indices.
            – Pait
            Mar 16 '15 at 19:35




            Right. Notice also that the initial ordering of the inputs may affect the list of indices.
            – Pait
            Mar 16 '15 at 19:35




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            Yes, it may affect the ordering of the indices but the values are invariant under the ordering of the inputs.
            – obareey
            Mar 16 '15 at 21:15




            Yes, it may affect the ordering of the indices but the values are invariant under the ordering of the inputs.
            – obareey
            Mar 16 '15 at 21:15












            That is true. However they are not invariant under ordering of the columns of the controllability matrix, which itself is arbitrary. We're getting away from the original question but I do find this issue confusing, so it's useful to register that the concepts are indeed not completely transparent.
            – Pait
            Mar 17 '15 at 12:41




            That is true. However they are not invariant under ordering of the columns of the controllability matrix, which itself is arbitrary. We're getting away from the original question but I do find this issue confusing, so it's useful to register that the concepts are indeed not completely transparent.
            – Pait
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            I am studying the same subject now, from the same book and had exactly the same question you had.



            The answer by @Pait doesn't show that the resulting set $mathit{lambda_iAb_i}$ is a subset of the LHS vectors relative to $mathit{A^2b_1}$ in the controllability matrix. However I had understood it myself, and I will post it here for reference.



            Say $pmb{A^ib_m}$ is the first vector associated with $pmb{b_m}$ that is dependent on some of the vectors $pmb{v_k}$ at its left hand side (LHS).



            That is: $$pmb{A^ib_m}= sum_{k=1}^{i*m-1}alpha_kpmb{v_k} (1)$$
            Now, for the next vector associated with $pmb{b_m}$, i.e. $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$, we have: $$pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}= sum_{k=1}^{i*m-1}alpha_kpmb{Av_k} (2)$$
            Now we show (or clarify) that the set ${pmb{Av_k} | kinBbb{Z}, 1le k le (i*m-1)}$ is a subset of the vectors at LHS of $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$ in the controllability matrix.



            The sum in (1) can be split into:
            $$pmb{A^ib_m} = underbrace{sum_{k=0}^{i-1}alpha_{mk}^{'}pmb{A^kb_m}}_{Vectors which are\ associated with pmb{b_m}\ but are on LHS} + underbrace{(sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{1k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_1} +sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{2k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_2}+cdots+sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{(m-1)k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_{m-1}})}_{Vectors associated with pmb{b_j} columns\ which are before pmb{b_m} in the pmb{B} matrix}$$



            Now by multiplying by $pmb{A}$ on both sides:
            $$pmb{A^{i+1}b_m} = sum_{k=1}^{i}alpha_{mk}^{'}pmb{A^kb_m} + (sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{1k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_1} +sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{2k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_2}+cdots+sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{(m-1)k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_{m-1}})$$
            Clearly, the vectors in the summations are subset of the vectors that are at LHS of $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$ in the controllability matrix.






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              I am studying the same subject now, from the same book and had exactly the same question you had.



              The answer by @Pait doesn't show that the resulting set $mathit{lambda_iAb_i}$ is a subset of the LHS vectors relative to $mathit{A^2b_1}$ in the controllability matrix. However I had understood it myself, and I will post it here for reference.



              Say $pmb{A^ib_m}$ is the first vector associated with $pmb{b_m}$ that is dependent on some of the vectors $pmb{v_k}$ at its left hand side (LHS).



              That is: $$pmb{A^ib_m}= sum_{k=1}^{i*m-1}alpha_kpmb{v_k} (1)$$
              Now, for the next vector associated with $pmb{b_m}$, i.e. $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$, we have: $$pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}= sum_{k=1}^{i*m-1}alpha_kpmb{Av_k} (2)$$
              Now we show (or clarify) that the set ${pmb{Av_k} | kinBbb{Z}, 1le k le (i*m-1)}$ is a subset of the vectors at LHS of $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$ in the controllability matrix.



              The sum in (1) can be split into:
              $$pmb{A^ib_m} = underbrace{sum_{k=0}^{i-1}alpha_{mk}^{'}pmb{A^kb_m}}_{Vectors which are\ associated with pmb{b_m}\ but are on LHS} + underbrace{(sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{1k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_1} +sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{2k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_2}+cdots+sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{(m-1)k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_{m-1}})}_{Vectors associated with pmb{b_j} columns\ which are before pmb{b_m} in the pmb{B} matrix}$$



              Now by multiplying by $pmb{A}$ on both sides:
              $$pmb{A^{i+1}b_m} = sum_{k=1}^{i}alpha_{mk}^{'}pmb{A^kb_m} + (sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{1k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_1} +sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{2k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_2}+cdots+sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{(m-1)k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_{m-1}})$$
              Clearly, the vectors in the summations are subset of the vectors that are at LHS of $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$ in the controllability matrix.






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                I am studying the same subject now, from the same book and had exactly the same question you had.



                The answer by @Pait doesn't show that the resulting set $mathit{lambda_iAb_i}$ is a subset of the LHS vectors relative to $mathit{A^2b_1}$ in the controllability matrix. However I had understood it myself, and I will post it here for reference.



                Say $pmb{A^ib_m}$ is the first vector associated with $pmb{b_m}$ that is dependent on some of the vectors $pmb{v_k}$ at its left hand side (LHS).



                That is: $$pmb{A^ib_m}= sum_{k=1}^{i*m-1}alpha_kpmb{v_k} (1)$$
                Now, for the next vector associated with $pmb{b_m}$, i.e. $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$, we have: $$pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}= sum_{k=1}^{i*m-1}alpha_kpmb{Av_k} (2)$$
                Now we show (or clarify) that the set ${pmb{Av_k} | kinBbb{Z}, 1le k le (i*m-1)}$ is a subset of the vectors at LHS of $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$ in the controllability matrix.



                The sum in (1) can be split into:
                $$pmb{A^ib_m} = underbrace{sum_{k=0}^{i-1}alpha_{mk}^{'}pmb{A^kb_m}}_{Vectors which are\ associated with pmb{b_m}\ but are on LHS} + underbrace{(sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{1k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_1} +sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{2k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_2}+cdots+sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{(m-1)k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_{m-1}})}_{Vectors associated with pmb{b_j} columns\ which are before pmb{b_m} in the pmb{B} matrix}$$



                Now by multiplying by $pmb{A}$ on both sides:
                $$pmb{A^{i+1}b_m} = sum_{k=1}^{i}alpha_{mk}^{'}pmb{A^kb_m} + (sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{1k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_1} +sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{2k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_2}+cdots+sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{(m-1)k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_{m-1}})$$
                Clearly, the vectors in the summations are subset of the vectors that are at LHS of $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$ in the controllability matrix.






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                I am studying the same subject now, from the same book and had exactly the same question you had.



                The answer by @Pait doesn't show that the resulting set $mathit{lambda_iAb_i}$ is a subset of the LHS vectors relative to $mathit{A^2b_1}$ in the controllability matrix. However I had understood it myself, and I will post it here for reference.



                Say $pmb{A^ib_m}$ is the first vector associated with $pmb{b_m}$ that is dependent on some of the vectors $pmb{v_k}$ at its left hand side (LHS).



                That is: $$pmb{A^ib_m}= sum_{k=1}^{i*m-1}alpha_kpmb{v_k} (1)$$
                Now, for the next vector associated with $pmb{b_m}$, i.e. $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$, we have: $$pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}= sum_{k=1}^{i*m-1}alpha_kpmb{Av_k} (2)$$
                Now we show (or clarify) that the set ${pmb{Av_k} | kinBbb{Z}, 1le k le (i*m-1)}$ is a subset of the vectors at LHS of $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$ in the controllability matrix.



                The sum in (1) can be split into:
                $$pmb{A^ib_m} = underbrace{sum_{k=0}^{i-1}alpha_{mk}^{'}pmb{A^kb_m}}_{Vectors which are\ associated with pmb{b_m}\ but are on LHS} + underbrace{(sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{1k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_1} +sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{2k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_2}+cdots+sum_{k=0}^ialpha_{(m-1)k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_{m-1}})}_{Vectors associated with pmb{b_j} columns\ which are before pmb{b_m} in the pmb{B} matrix}$$



                Now by multiplying by $pmb{A}$ on both sides:
                $$pmb{A^{i+1}b_m} = sum_{k=1}^{i}alpha_{mk}^{'}pmb{A^kb_m} + (sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{1k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_1} +sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{2k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_2}+cdots+sum_{k=1}^{i+1}alpha_{(m-1)k}^{'}pmb{A^kb_{m-1}})$$
                Clearly, the vectors in the summations are subset of the vectors that are at LHS of $pmb{A^{i+1}b_m}$ in the controllability matrix.







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