Does $sqrt{x}$ have a limit for $x to 0$?
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I am taking a calculus course, and in one of the exercises in the book, I am asked to find the limits for both sides of $sqrt{x}$ where $x to 0$.
Graph for sqrt(x) from WolframAlpha:
This is how I solved the exercise:
For simplicity, I choose to disregard the negative result of
$pmsqrt{x}$. Since we are looking at limits for $x to 0$, both
results will converge at the same point, and will thus have the same
limits.
$sqrt{x}$ = $0$ for $x = 0$.
$sqrt{x}$ is a positive real number for all $x > 0$.
$displaystyle lim_{x to 0^+} sqrt{x} = sqrt{+0} = 0$
$sqrt{x}$ is a complex number for all $x < 0$.
$displaystyle lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x} = sqrt{-0} = 0 times sqrt{-1} = 0i = 0$
The solution in the book, however, does not agree that there exists a limit for $x to 0-$.
I guess there are three questions in this post, although some of them probably overlaps:
- Does $sqrt{x}$ have a limit for $x to 0$?
- Are square root functions defined to have a range of only real numbers, unless specified otherwise?
- Is $sqrt{x}$ continuous for $-infty < x < infty$?
WolframAlpha says the limit for x=0 is 0: limit (x to 0) sqrt(x)
And also that both the positive and negative limits are 0: limit (x to 0-) sqrt(x)
If my logic is flawed, please correct me.
calculus complex-numbers continuity
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I am taking a calculus course, and in one of the exercises in the book, I am asked to find the limits for both sides of $sqrt{x}$ where $x to 0$.
Graph for sqrt(x) from WolframAlpha:
This is how I solved the exercise:
For simplicity, I choose to disregard the negative result of
$pmsqrt{x}$. Since we are looking at limits for $x to 0$, both
results will converge at the same point, and will thus have the same
limits.
$sqrt{x}$ = $0$ for $x = 0$.
$sqrt{x}$ is a positive real number for all $x > 0$.
$displaystyle lim_{x to 0^+} sqrt{x} = sqrt{+0} = 0$
$sqrt{x}$ is a complex number for all $x < 0$.
$displaystyle lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x} = sqrt{-0} = 0 times sqrt{-1} = 0i = 0$
The solution in the book, however, does not agree that there exists a limit for $x to 0-$.
I guess there are three questions in this post, although some of them probably overlaps:
- Does $sqrt{x}$ have a limit for $x to 0$?
- Are square root functions defined to have a range of only real numbers, unless specified otherwise?
- Is $sqrt{x}$ continuous for $-infty < x < infty$?
WolframAlpha says the limit for x=0 is 0: limit (x to 0) sqrt(x)
And also that both the positive and negative limits are 0: limit (x to 0-) sqrt(x)
If my logic is flawed, please correct me.
calculus complex-numbers continuity
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By the way, "a positive complex number" does not make sense: there is no ordering on the field of complex numbers, and so it does not make sense to talk about positive or negative complex numbers.
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– M Turgeon
Sep 10 '12 at 0:52
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I added displaystyle to the places where you used limits. This forces the typesetting to place the xto 0 below the limit notation.
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– wckronholm
Sep 10 '12 at 1:08
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Thanks, that looks a lot better. I also removed the "positive complex number" remark.
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– CheeseSucker
Sep 10 '12 at 1:17
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I am taking a calculus course, and in one of the exercises in the book, I am asked to find the limits for both sides of $sqrt{x}$ where $x to 0$.
Graph for sqrt(x) from WolframAlpha:
This is how I solved the exercise:
For simplicity, I choose to disregard the negative result of
$pmsqrt{x}$. Since we are looking at limits for $x to 0$, both
results will converge at the same point, and will thus have the same
limits.
$sqrt{x}$ = $0$ for $x = 0$.
$sqrt{x}$ is a positive real number for all $x > 0$.
$displaystyle lim_{x to 0^+} sqrt{x} = sqrt{+0} = 0$
$sqrt{x}$ is a complex number for all $x < 0$.
$displaystyle lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x} = sqrt{-0} = 0 times sqrt{-1} = 0i = 0$
The solution in the book, however, does not agree that there exists a limit for $x to 0-$.
I guess there are three questions in this post, although some of them probably overlaps:
- Does $sqrt{x}$ have a limit for $x to 0$?
- Are square root functions defined to have a range of only real numbers, unless specified otherwise?
- Is $sqrt{x}$ continuous for $-infty < x < infty$?
WolframAlpha says the limit for x=0 is 0: limit (x to 0) sqrt(x)
And also that both the positive and negative limits are 0: limit (x to 0-) sqrt(x)
If my logic is flawed, please correct me.
calculus complex-numbers continuity
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I am taking a calculus course, and in one of the exercises in the book, I am asked to find the limits for both sides of $sqrt{x}$ where $x to 0$.
Graph for sqrt(x) from WolframAlpha:
This is how I solved the exercise:
For simplicity, I choose to disregard the negative result of
$pmsqrt{x}$. Since we are looking at limits for $x to 0$, both
results will converge at the same point, and will thus have the same
limits.
$sqrt{x}$ = $0$ for $x = 0$.
$sqrt{x}$ is a positive real number for all $x > 0$.
$displaystyle lim_{x to 0^+} sqrt{x} = sqrt{+0} = 0$
$sqrt{x}$ is a complex number for all $x < 0$.
$displaystyle lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x} = sqrt{-0} = 0 times sqrt{-1} = 0i = 0$
The solution in the book, however, does not agree that there exists a limit for $x to 0-$.
I guess there are three questions in this post, although some of them probably overlaps:
- Does $sqrt{x}$ have a limit for $x to 0$?
- Are square root functions defined to have a range of only real numbers, unless specified otherwise?
- Is $sqrt{x}$ continuous for $-infty < x < infty$?
WolframAlpha says the limit for x=0 is 0: limit (x to 0) sqrt(x)
And also that both the positive and negative limits are 0: limit (x to 0-) sqrt(x)
If my logic is flawed, please correct me.
calculus complex-numbers continuity
calculus complex-numbers continuity
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By the way, "a positive complex number" does not make sense: there is no ordering on the field of complex numbers, and so it does not make sense to talk about positive or negative complex numbers.
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– M Turgeon
Sep 10 '12 at 0:52
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I added displaystyle to the places where you used limits. This forces the typesetting to place the xto 0 below the limit notation.
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– wckronholm
Sep 10 '12 at 1:08
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Thanks, that looks a lot better. I also removed the "positive complex number" remark.
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– CheeseSucker
Sep 10 '12 at 1:17
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By the way, "a positive complex number" does not make sense: there is no ordering on the field of complex numbers, and so it does not make sense to talk about positive or negative complex numbers.
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– M Turgeon
Sep 10 '12 at 0:52
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I added displaystyle to the places where you used limits. This forces the typesetting to place the xto 0 below the limit notation.
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– wckronholm
Sep 10 '12 at 1:08
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Thanks, that looks a lot better. I also removed the "positive complex number" remark.
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– CheeseSucker
Sep 10 '12 at 1:17
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By the way, "a positive complex number" does not make sense: there is no ordering on the field of complex numbers, and so it does not make sense to talk about positive or negative complex numbers.
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– M Turgeon
Sep 10 '12 at 0:52
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By the way, "a positive complex number" does not make sense: there is no ordering on the field of complex numbers, and so it does not make sense to talk about positive or negative complex numbers.
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– M Turgeon
Sep 10 '12 at 0:52
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I added displaystyle to the places where you used limits. This forces the typesetting to place the xto 0 below the limit notation.
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– wckronholm
Sep 10 '12 at 1:08
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I added displaystyle to the places where you used limits. This forces the typesetting to place the xto 0 below the limit notation.
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– wckronholm
Sep 10 '12 at 1:08
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Thanks, that looks a lot better. I also removed the "positive complex number" remark.
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– CheeseSucker
Sep 10 '12 at 1:17
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Thanks, that looks a lot better. I also removed the "positive complex number" remark.
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– CheeseSucker
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The answers to your questions depend on whether you are working with $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$ or $mathbb{R}$ as your domain. $sqrt{x}$ is really not the same function in these two cases.
With a domain of $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$:
- Clearly $lim_{x to 0^+} sqrt{x} = 0$. However $lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x}$ is not defined for negative numbers in this case, so $lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x}$ is undefined.
- If your course is on real analysis, they most likely assume that the domain is $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$. However, this could depend very much on the context. If you are unsure what your course's convention is, you should consult a teaching assistant.
- In this case, $sqrt{x}$ is not continuous on $mathbb{R}$, since it is not even defined everywhere.
With a domain of $mathbb{R}$:
- As your plot shows you, both the real and the imaginary parts tend to 0, and so $sqrt{x}$ tends to 0.
- See above.
- Once again, your plot shows you that both the real and imaginary parts are continuous functions over $mathbb{R}$, and so $sqrt{x}$ is continuous over $mathbb{R}$.
Note that there is an even more general case, where the domain is $mathbb{C}$. This is where things get very strange.
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There is undeniably a right-hand limit. You have $sqrt{x}to 0$ as $xdownarrow 0$. In fact, since $sqrt{0} = 0$, you know the square root function is right continuous at zero.
However, there is no possibility limit as $xto 0-$, since the domain of this function is $[0,infty)$. To discuss the left-hand limit of a function at a point $a$, the function must be defined in some interval $(q, a)$, where $q < a$.
The square root function is continuous on its domain. Since it is not defined on $(-infty, 0)$, it is often informally said that it has a "limit at zero."
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Is the domain of square root functions always $[0, infty)$ unless explisitly noted otherwise? After all, $i$ is defined as $sqrt(-1)$. So I would think that, by default, the domain of a function would be whatever values it is defined for?
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– CheeseSucker
Sep 10 '12 at 0:32
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If you are in the real domain, as you would be in a Calculus class, yes. The square-root function in the complex domain is a little more complicated. There is a square root function on any domain in the complex plane that is simply connected (every loop can be shrunk to a point in the domain). Beware, there are weirdisms here.
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The answers to your questions depend on whether you are working with $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$ or $mathbb{R}$ as your domain. $sqrt{x}$ is really not the same function in these two cases.
With a domain of $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$:
- Clearly $lim_{x to 0^+} sqrt{x} = 0$. However $lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x}$ is not defined for negative numbers in this case, so $lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x}$ is undefined.
- If your course is on real analysis, they most likely assume that the domain is $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$. However, this could depend very much on the context. If you are unsure what your course's convention is, you should consult a teaching assistant.
- In this case, $sqrt{x}$ is not continuous on $mathbb{R}$, since it is not even defined everywhere.
With a domain of $mathbb{R}$:
- As your plot shows you, both the real and the imaginary parts tend to 0, and so $sqrt{x}$ tends to 0.
- See above.
- Once again, your plot shows you that both the real and imaginary parts are continuous functions over $mathbb{R}$, and so $sqrt{x}$ is continuous over $mathbb{R}$.
Note that there is an even more general case, where the domain is $mathbb{C}$. This is where things get very strange.
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The answers to your questions depend on whether you are working with $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$ or $mathbb{R}$ as your domain. $sqrt{x}$ is really not the same function in these two cases.
With a domain of $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$:
- Clearly $lim_{x to 0^+} sqrt{x} = 0$. However $lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x}$ is not defined for negative numbers in this case, so $lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x}$ is undefined.
- If your course is on real analysis, they most likely assume that the domain is $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$. However, this could depend very much on the context. If you are unsure what your course's convention is, you should consult a teaching assistant.
- In this case, $sqrt{x}$ is not continuous on $mathbb{R}$, since it is not even defined everywhere.
With a domain of $mathbb{R}$:
- As your plot shows you, both the real and the imaginary parts tend to 0, and so $sqrt{x}$ tends to 0.
- See above.
- Once again, your plot shows you that both the real and imaginary parts are continuous functions over $mathbb{R}$, and so $sqrt{x}$ is continuous over $mathbb{R}$.
Note that there is an even more general case, where the domain is $mathbb{C}$. This is where things get very strange.
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The answers to your questions depend on whether you are working with $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$ or $mathbb{R}$ as your domain. $sqrt{x}$ is really not the same function in these two cases.
With a domain of $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$:
- Clearly $lim_{x to 0^+} sqrt{x} = 0$. However $lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x}$ is not defined for negative numbers in this case, so $lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x}$ is undefined.
- If your course is on real analysis, they most likely assume that the domain is $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$. However, this could depend very much on the context. If you are unsure what your course's convention is, you should consult a teaching assistant.
- In this case, $sqrt{x}$ is not continuous on $mathbb{R}$, since it is not even defined everywhere.
With a domain of $mathbb{R}$:
- As your plot shows you, both the real and the imaginary parts tend to 0, and so $sqrt{x}$ tends to 0.
- See above.
- Once again, your plot shows you that both the real and imaginary parts are continuous functions over $mathbb{R}$, and so $sqrt{x}$ is continuous over $mathbb{R}$.
Note that there is an even more general case, where the domain is $mathbb{C}$. This is where things get very strange.
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The answers to your questions depend on whether you are working with $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$ or $mathbb{R}$ as your domain. $sqrt{x}$ is really not the same function in these two cases.
With a domain of $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$:
- Clearly $lim_{x to 0^+} sqrt{x} = 0$. However $lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x}$ is not defined for negative numbers in this case, so $lim_{x to 0^-} sqrt{x}$ is undefined.
- If your course is on real analysis, they most likely assume that the domain is $mathbb{R_{geq 0}}$. However, this could depend very much on the context. If you are unsure what your course's convention is, you should consult a teaching assistant.
- In this case, $sqrt{x}$ is not continuous on $mathbb{R}$, since it is not even defined everywhere.
With a domain of $mathbb{R}$:
- As your plot shows you, both the real and the imaginary parts tend to 0, and so $sqrt{x}$ tends to 0.
- See above.
- Once again, your plot shows you that both the real and imaginary parts are continuous functions over $mathbb{R}$, and so $sqrt{x}$ is continuous over $mathbb{R}$.
Note that there is an even more general case, where the domain is $mathbb{C}$. This is where things get very strange.
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There is undeniably a right-hand limit. You have $sqrt{x}to 0$ as $xdownarrow 0$. In fact, since $sqrt{0} = 0$, you know the square root function is right continuous at zero.
However, there is no possibility limit as $xto 0-$, since the domain of this function is $[0,infty)$. To discuss the left-hand limit of a function at a point $a$, the function must be defined in some interval $(q, a)$, where $q < a$.
The square root function is continuous on its domain. Since it is not defined on $(-infty, 0)$, it is often informally said that it has a "limit at zero."
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Is the domain of square root functions always $[0, infty)$ unless explisitly noted otherwise? After all, $i$ is defined as $sqrt(-1)$. So I would think that, by default, the domain of a function would be whatever values it is defined for?
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– CheeseSucker
Sep 10 '12 at 0:32
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If you are in the real domain, as you would be in a Calculus class, yes. The square-root function in the complex domain is a little more complicated. There is a square root function on any domain in the complex plane that is simply connected (every loop can be shrunk to a point in the domain). Beware, there are weirdisms here.
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– ncmathsadist
Sep 10 '12 at 0:39
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There is undeniably a right-hand limit. You have $sqrt{x}to 0$ as $xdownarrow 0$. In fact, since $sqrt{0} = 0$, you know the square root function is right continuous at zero.
However, there is no possibility limit as $xto 0-$, since the domain of this function is $[0,infty)$. To discuss the left-hand limit of a function at a point $a$, the function must be defined in some interval $(q, a)$, where $q < a$.
The square root function is continuous on its domain. Since it is not defined on $(-infty, 0)$, it is often informally said that it has a "limit at zero."
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Is the domain of square root functions always $[0, infty)$ unless explisitly noted otherwise? After all, $i$ is defined as $sqrt(-1)$. So I would think that, by default, the domain of a function would be whatever values it is defined for?
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– CheeseSucker
Sep 10 '12 at 0:32
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If you are in the real domain, as you would be in a Calculus class, yes. The square-root function in the complex domain is a little more complicated. There is a square root function on any domain in the complex plane that is simply connected (every loop can be shrunk to a point in the domain). Beware, there are weirdisms here.
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– ncmathsadist
Sep 10 '12 at 0:39
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There is undeniably a right-hand limit. You have $sqrt{x}to 0$ as $xdownarrow 0$. In fact, since $sqrt{0} = 0$, you know the square root function is right continuous at zero.
However, there is no possibility limit as $xto 0-$, since the domain of this function is $[0,infty)$. To discuss the left-hand limit of a function at a point $a$, the function must be defined in some interval $(q, a)$, where $q < a$.
The square root function is continuous on its domain. Since it is not defined on $(-infty, 0)$, it is often informally said that it has a "limit at zero."
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There is undeniably a right-hand limit. You have $sqrt{x}to 0$ as $xdownarrow 0$. In fact, since $sqrt{0} = 0$, you know the square root function is right continuous at zero.
However, there is no possibility limit as $xto 0-$, since the domain of this function is $[0,infty)$. To discuss the left-hand limit of a function at a point $a$, the function must be defined in some interval $(q, a)$, where $q < a$.
The square root function is continuous on its domain. Since it is not defined on $(-infty, 0)$, it is often informally said that it has a "limit at zero."
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Is the domain of square root functions always $[0, infty)$ unless explisitly noted otherwise? After all, $i$ is defined as $sqrt(-1)$. So I would think that, by default, the domain of a function would be whatever values it is defined for?
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– CheeseSucker
Sep 10 '12 at 0:32
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If you are in the real domain, as you would be in a Calculus class, yes. The square-root function in the complex domain is a little more complicated. There is a square root function on any domain in the complex plane that is simply connected (every loop can be shrunk to a point in the domain). Beware, there are weirdisms here.
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– ncmathsadist
Sep 10 '12 at 0:39
add a comment |
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Is the domain of square root functions always $[0, infty)$ unless explisitly noted otherwise? After all, $i$ is defined as $sqrt(-1)$. So I would think that, by default, the domain of a function would be whatever values it is defined for?
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– CheeseSucker
Sep 10 '12 at 0:32
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If you are in the real domain, as you would be in a Calculus class, yes. The square-root function in the complex domain is a little more complicated. There is a square root function on any domain in the complex plane that is simply connected (every loop can be shrunk to a point in the domain). Beware, there are weirdisms here.
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– ncmathsadist
Sep 10 '12 at 0:39
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Is the domain of square root functions always $[0, infty)$ unless explisitly noted otherwise? After all, $i$ is defined as $sqrt(-1)$. So I would think that, by default, the domain of a function would be whatever values it is defined for?
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– CheeseSucker
Sep 10 '12 at 0:32
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Is the domain of square root functions always $[0, infty)$ unless explisitly noted otherwise? After all, $i$ is defined as $sqrt(-1)$. So I would think that, by default, the domain of a function would be whatever values it is defined for?
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– CheeseSucker
Sep 10 '12 at 0:32
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If you are in the real domain, as you would be in a Calculus class, yes. The square-root function in the complex domain is a little more complicated. There is a square root function on any domain in the complex plane that is simply connected (every loop can be shrunk to a point in the domain). Beware, there are weirdisms here.
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– ncmathsadist
Sep 10 '12 at 0:39
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If you are in the real domain, as you would be in a Calculus class, yes. The square-root function in the complex domain is a little more complicated. There is a square root function on any domain in the complex plane that is simply connected (every loop can be shrunk to a point in the domain). Beware, there are weirdisms here.
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– ncmathsadist
Sep 10 '12 at 0:39
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By the way, "a positive complex number" does not make sense: there is no ordering on the field of complex numbers, and so it does not make sense to talk about positive or negative complex numbers.
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– M Turgeon
Sep 10 '12 at 0:52
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I added displaystyle to the places where you used limits. This forces the typesetting to place the xto 0 below the limit notation.
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– wckronholm
Sep 10 '12 at 1:08
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Thanks, that looks a lot better. I also removed the "positive complex number" remark.
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– CheeseSucker
Sep 10 '12 at 1:17