Suppose that $N$ is a normal and cyclic subgroup of $G$, and $H$ is a subgroup of $N$. Show that $H$ is...
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Suppose that $N$ is a normal and cyclic subgroup of $G$, and $H$ is a subgroup of $N$. Show that $H$ is normal in $G$.
What should I do when $N$ is finite?
I have tried to show that it is right for infinite $N$.
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Suppose that $N$ is a normal and cyclic subgroup of $G$, and $H$ is a subgroup of $N$. Show that $H$ is normal in $G$.
What should I do when $N$ is finite?
I have tried to show that it is right for infinite $N$.
abstract-algebra group-theory cyclic-groups normal-subgroups
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$N$ is normal $gN=Ng:forall:gin G$. Restrict $N$ to $H$.
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– Yadati Kiran
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what do you mean of restrict? please clarify more
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Since $N$ is normal in $G$, $gHg^{-1}subset N$ and use the fact $N$ is cyclic.
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Suppose that $N$ is a normal and cyclic subgroup of $G$, and $H$ is a subgroup of $N$. Show that $H$ is normal in $G$.
What should I do when $N$ is finite?
I have tried to show that it is right for infinite $N$.
abstract-algebra group-theory cyclic-groups normal-subgroups
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Suppose that $N$ is a normal and cyclic subgroup of $G$, and $H$ is a subgroup of $N$. Show that $H$ is normal in $G$.
What should I do when $N$ is finite?
I have tried to show that it is right for infinite $N$.
abstract-algebra group-theory cyclic-groups normal-subgroups
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$N$ is normal $gN=Ng:forall:gin G$. Restrict $N$ to $H$.
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– Yadati Kiran
Dec 12 '18 at 22:43
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what do you mean of restrict? please clarify more
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:45
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Since $N$ is normal in $G$, $gHg^{-1}subset N$ and use the fact $N$ is cyclic.
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– Yadati Kiran
Dec 12 '18 at 22:53
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$N$ is normal $gN=Ng:forall:gin G$. Restrict $N$ to $H$.
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– Yadati Kiran
Dec 12 '18 at 22:43
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what do you mean of restrict? please clarify more
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:45
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Since $N$ is normal in $G$, $gHg^{-1}subset N$ and use the fact $N$ is cyclic.
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– Yadati Kiran
Dec 12 '18 at 22:53
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$N$ is normal $gN=Ng:forall:gin G$. Restrict $N$ to $H$.
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– Yadati Kiran
Dec 12 '18 at 22:43
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$N$ is normal $gN=Ng:forall:gin G$. Restrict $N$ to $H$.
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– Yadati Kiran
Dec 12 '18 at 22:43
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what do you mean of restrict? please clarify more
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:45
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what do you mean of restrict? please clarify more
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:45
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Since $N$ is normal in $G$, $gHg^{-1}subset N$ and use the fact $N$ is cyclic.
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– Yadati Kiran
Dec 12 '18 at 22:53
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Since $N$ is normal in $G$, $gHg^{-1}subset N$ and use the fact $N$ is cyclic.
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Let $N=langle nrangle$ and $H=langle n^arangle$. To show that $H$ is normal in $G$, it is enough to show that for all $gin G$ we have $gn^ag^{-1}in H$.
First since $nin N$ and $N$ is normal in $G$, then $gng^{-1}in N$. Write $gng^{-1}=n^b$ for some $b$. Now
$$gn^ag^{-1}=(gng^{-1})^a=(n^b)^a=(n^a)^bin H$$
since $n^ain H$ and we are done.
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An abelian subgroup is not necessarily normal.
Hence, the assumption that $N$ is cyclic matters.
Indeed, let $g in G$, $h in H$. Then $ghg^{-1} in N$ because $N$ is normal, and $(ghg^{-1})^{|H|} = gh^{|H|}g^{-1}=e$, thus (this is a standard fact for cyclic groups) $ghg^{-1} in H$.
Edit: if I understood the comment correctly, I need to prove that if $N$ is a cyclic group and $H$ is a cyclic subgroup of $N$, then $H={h in N,,h^{|H|}=e}:=H_0$.
First, $H subset H_0$ (Clearly $H_0$ is a subgroup of a $N$, containing a generator of $H$).
Conversely, let $n$ be a generator of $N$. Let $|N| > k geq 1$ be such that $n^k$ is a generator of $|H|$. Then the set of all $n^{kl}$ for integers $l$ is exactly $H$ and has cardinality $|H|$. Besides, the value of $n^{kl}$ is uniquely deterlined by that of $kl$ mod $|N|$. So $|H|=|N|/gcd(|N|,k)$, and, for every integer $l$, $n^l in H_0$ iff $n^{|H|l}=e$ iff $|N| | |H|l$ iff $gcd(|N|,k)|l$, iff $l=a|N|+bk$ for some $a,b$, iff $n^l=(n^k)^b$ for some $b$ iff $n^l in H$.
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How does it imply the last part?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:31
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i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:34
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Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
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– user9077
Dec 13 '18 at 0:44
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you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 13 '18 at 9:21
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My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
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– Mindlack
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Let's start you off,
we know
G > N > H
N is normal
wts
H is normal in G.
that is, wts hG=Gh for all h in H
We know,
for all n in N, nG=Gn...
what next?
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since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:55
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N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
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– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 22:59
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yes (it's making me type more)
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– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 23:00
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can we brake the problem in two parts?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:03
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-1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
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Let $N=langle nrangle$ and $H=langle n^arangle$. To show that $H$ is normal in $G$, it is enough to show that for all $gin G$ we have $gn^ag^{-1}in H$.
First since $nin N$ and $N$ is normal in $G$, then $gng^{-1}in N$. Write $gng^{-1}=n^b$ for some $b$. Now
$$gn^ag^{-1}=(gng^{-1})^a=(n^b)^a=(n^a)^bin H$$
since $n^ain H$ and we are done.
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Let $N=langle nrangle$ and $H=langle n^arangle$. To show that $H$ is normal in $G$, it is enough to show that for all $gin G$ we have $gn^ag^{-1}in H$.
First since $nin N$ and $N$ is normal in $G$, then $gng^{-1}in N$. Write $gng^{-1}=n^b$ for some $b$. Now
$$gn^ag^{-1}=(gng^{-1})^a=(n^b)^a=(n^a)^bin H$$
since $n^ain H$ and we are done.
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Let $N=langle nrangle$ and $H=langle n^arangle$. To show that $H$ is normal in $G$, it is enough to show that for all $gin G$ we have $gn^ag^{-1}in H$.
First since $nin N$ and $N$ is normal in $G$, then $gng^{-1}in N$. Write $gng^{-1}=n^b$ for some $b$. Now
$$gn^ag^{-1}=(gng^{-1})^a=(n^b)^a=(n^a)^bin H$$
since $n^ain H$ and we are done.
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Let $N=langle nrangle$ and $H=langle n^arangle$. To show that $H$ is normal in $G$, it is enough to show that for all $gin G$ we have $gn^ag^{-1}in H$.
First since $nin N$ and $N$ is normal in $G$, then $gng^{-1}in N$. Write $gng^{-1}=n^b$ for some $b$. Now
$$gn^ag^{-1}=(gng^{-1})^a=(n^b)^a=(n^a)^bin H$$
since $n^ain H$ and we are done.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 23:57
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An abelian subgroup is not necessarily normal.
Hence, the assumption that $N$ is cyclic matters.
Indeed, let $g in G$, $h in H$. Then $ghg^{-1} in N$ because $N$ is normal, and $(ghg^{-1})^{|H|} = gh^{|H|}g^{-1}=e$, thus (this is a standard fact for cyclic groups) $ghg^{-1} in H$.
Edit: if I understood the comment correctly, I need to prove that if $N$ is a cyclic group and $H$ is a cyclic subgroup of $N$, then $H={h in N,,h^{|H|}=e}:=H_0$.
First, $H subset H_0$ (Clearly $H_0$ is a subgroup of a $N$, containing a generator of $H$).
Conversely, let $n$ be a generator of $N$. Let $|N| > k geq 1$ be such that $n^k$ is a generator of $|H|$. Then the set of all $n^{kl}$ for integers $l$ is exactly $H$ and has cardinality $|H|$. Besides, the value of $n^{kl}$ is uniquely deterlined by that of $kl$ mod $|N|$. So $|H|=|N|/gcd(|N|,k)$, and, for every integer $l$, $n^l in H_0$ iff $n^{|H|l}=e$ iff $|N| | |H|l$ iff $gcd(|N|,k)|l$, iff $l=a|N|+bk$ for some $a,b$, iff $n^l=(n^k)^b$ for some $b$ iff $n^l in H$.
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How does it imply the last part?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:31
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i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:34
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Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
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– user9077
Dec 13 '18 at 0:44
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you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 13 '18 at 9:21
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My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
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– Mindlack
Dec 13 '18 at 9:23
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show 1 more comment
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An abelian subgroup is not necessarily normal.
Hence, the assumption that $N$ is cyclic matters.
Indeed, let $g in G$, $h in H$. Then $ghg^{-1} in N$ because $N$ is normal, and $(ghg^{-1})^{|H|} = gh^{|H|}g^{-1}=e$, thus (this is a standard fact for cyclic groups) $ghg^{-1} in H$.
Edit: if I understood the comment correctly, I need to prove that if $N$ is a cyclic group and $H$ is a cyclic subgroup of $N$, then $H={h in N,,h^{|H|}=e}:=H_0$.
First, $H subset H_0$ (Clearly $H_0$ is a subgroup of a $N$, containing a generator of $H$).
Conversely, let $n$ be a generator of $N$. Let $|N| > k geq 1$ be such that $n^k$ is a generator of $|H|$. Then the set of all $n^{kl}$ for integers $l$ is exactly $H$ and has cardinality $|H|$. Besides, the value of $n^{kl}$ is uniquely deterlined by that of $kl$ mod $|N|$. So $|H|=|N|/gcd(|N|,k)$, and, for every integer $l$, $n^l in H_0$ iff $n^{|H|l}=e$ iff $|N| | |H|l$ iff $gcd(|N|,k)|l$, iff $l=a|N|+bk$ for some $a,b$, iff $n^l=(n^k)^b$ for some $b$ iff $n^l in H$.
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How does it imply the last part?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:31
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i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:34
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Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
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– user9077
Dec 13 '18 at 0:44
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you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 13 '18 at 9:21
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My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
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– Mindlack
Dec 13 '18 at 9:23
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show 1 more comment
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An abelian subgroup is not necessarily normal.
Hence, the assumption that $N$ is cyclic matters.
Indeed, let $g in G$, $h in H$. Then $ghg^{-1} in N$ because $N$ is normal, and $(ghg^{-1})^{|H|} = gh^{|H|}g^{-1}=e$, thus (this is a standard fact for cyclic groups) $ghg^{-1} in H$.
Edit: if I understood the comment correctly, I need to prove that if $N$ is a cyclic group and $H$ is a cyclic subgroup of $N$, then $H={h in N,,h^{|H|}=e}:=H_0$.
First, $H subset H_0$ (Clearly $H_0$ is a subgroup of a $N$, containing a generator of $H$).
Conversely, let $n$ be a generator of $N$. Let $|N| > k geq 1$ be such that $n^k$ is a generator of $|H|$. Then the set of all $n^{kl}$ for integers $l$ is exactly $H$ and has cardinality $|H|$. Besides, the value of $n^{kl}$ is uniquely deterlined by that of $kl$ mod $|N|$. So $|H|=|N|/gcd(|N|,k)$, and, for every integer $l$, $n^l in H_0$ iff $n^{|H|l}=e$ iff $|N| | |H|l$ iff $gcd(|N|,k)|l$, iff $l=a|N|+bk$ for some $a,b$, iff $n^l=(n^k)^b$ for some $b$ iff $n^l in H$.
$endgroup$
An abelian subgroup is not necessarily normal.
Hence, the assumption that $N$ is cyclic matters.
Indeed, let $g in G$, $h in H$. Then $ghg^{-1} in N$ because $N$ is normal, and $(ghg^{-1})^{|H|} = gh^{|H|}g^{-1}=e$, thus (this is a standard fact for cyclic groups) $ghg^{-1} in H$.
Edit: if I understood the comment correctly, I need to prove that if $N$ is a cyclic group and $H$ is a cyclic subgroup of $N$, then $H={h in N,,h^{|H|}=e}:=H_0$.
First, $H subset H_0$ (Clearly $H_0$ is a subgroup of a $N$, containing a generator of $H$).
Conversely, let $n$ be a generator of $N$. Let $|N| > k geq 1$ be such that $n^k$ is a generator of $|H|$. Then the set of all $n^{kl}$ for integers $l$ is exactly $H$ and has cardinality $|H|$. Besides, the value of $n^{kl}$ is uniquely deterlined by that of $kl$ mod $|N|$. So $|H|=|N|/gcd(|N|,k)$, and, for every integer $l$, $n^l in H_0$ iff $n^{|H|l}=e$ iff $|N| | |H|l$ iff $gcd(|N|,k)|l$, iff $l=a|N|+bk$ for some $a,b$, iff $n^l=(n^k)^b$ for some $b$ iff $n^l in H$.
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answered Dec 12 '18 at 23:26
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How does it imply the last part?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:31
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i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
$endgroup$
– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:34
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Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
$endgroup$
– user9077
Dec 13 '18 at 0:44
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you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
$endgroup$
– Arman_jr
Dec 13 '18 at 9:21
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My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
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– Mindlack
Dec 13 '18 at 9:23
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show 1 more comment
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How does it imply the last part?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:31
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i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
$endgroup$
– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:34
$begingroup$
Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
$endgroup$
– user9077
Dec 13 '18 at 0:44
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you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
$endgroup$
– Arman_jr
Dec 13 '18 at 9:21
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My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
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– Mindlack
Dec 13 '18 at 9:23
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How does it imply the last part?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:31
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How does it imply the last part?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:31
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i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
$endgroup$
– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:34
$begingroup$
i mean why (ghg−1)|H|=gh|H|g−1=e implies ghg-1 is in H
$endgroup$
– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:34
$begingroup$
Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
$endgroup$
– user9077
Dec 13 '18 at 0:44
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Because if $N$ is cyclic and $k$ divides $|N|$ there is a unique subgroup of $N$ of cardinality $k$. Since $(gng^{-1})^{|H|}=e$ it tells us that $gng^{-1}$ is in the unique subgroup of order $|H|$, namely $H$ itself.
$endgroup$
– user9077
Dec 13 '18 at 0:44
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you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
$endgroup$
– Arman_jr
Dec 13 '18 at 9:21
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you used the formulas of orders in the proof, what if |H| is not finite? ie. |N| is not finite?
$endgroup$
– Arman_jr
Dec 13 '18 at 9:21
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My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
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– Mindlack
Dec 13 '18 at 9:23
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My mistake. I am no native English speaker and in my native language cyclic groups are finite.
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– Mindlack
Dec 13 '18 at 9:23
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show 1 more comment
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Let's start you off,
we know
G > N > H
N is normal
wts
H is normal in G.
that is, wts hG=Gh for all h in H
We know,
for all n in N, nG=Gn...
what next?
$endgroup$
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since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:55
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N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
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– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 22:59
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yes (it's making me type more)
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– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 23:00
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can we brake the problem in two parts?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:03
1
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-1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
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– Servaes
Dec 13 '18 at 0:08
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show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
Let's start you off,
we know
G > N > H
N is normal
wts
H is normal in G.
that is, wts hG=Gh for all h in H
We know,
for all n in N, nG=Gn...
what next?
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
$endgroup$
– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:55
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N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
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– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 22:59
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yes (it's making me type more)
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– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 23:00
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can we brake the problem in two parts?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:03
1
$begingroup$
-1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
$endgroup$
– Servaes
Dec 13 '18 at 0:08
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
Let's start you off,
we know
G > N > H
N is normal
wts
H is normal in G.
that is, wts hG=Gh for all h in H
We know,
for all n in N, nG=Gn...
what next?
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Let's start you off,
we know
G > N > H
N is normal
wts
H is normal in G.
that is, wts hG=Gh for all h in H
We know,
for all n in N, nG=Gn...
what next?
answered Dec 12 '18 at 22:50
nessness
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since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:55
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N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
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– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 22:59
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yes (it's making me type more)
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– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 23:00
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can we brake the problem in two parts?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:03
1
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-1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
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– Servaes
Dec 13 '18 at 0:08
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since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:55
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N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
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– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 22:59
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yes (it's making me type more)
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– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 23:00
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can we brake the problem in two parts?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:03
1
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-1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
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– Servaes
Dec 13 '18 at 0:08
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since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:55
$begingroup$
since H is subgroup of N and N is cyclic, so H is cyclic
$endgroup$
– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:55
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N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
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– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 22:59
$begingroup$
N is cyclic so H must be cyclic. Since H is cyclic, it must be abelian. Since H is abelian, it must be normal.
$endgroup$
– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 22:59
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yes (it's making me type more)
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– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 23:00
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yes (it's making me type more)
$endgroup$
– ness
Dec 12 '18 at 23:00
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can we brake the problem in two parts?
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:03
$begingroup$
can we brake the problem in two parts?
$endgroup$
– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 23:03
1
1
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-1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
$endgroup$
– Servaes
Dec 13 '18 at 0:08
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-1 This is riddled with falsehoods and irrelevant statements.
$endgroup$
– Servaes
Dec 13 '18 at 0:08
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$N$ is normal $gN=Ng:forall:gin G$. Restrict $N$ to $H$.
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– Yadati Kiran
Dec 12 '18 at 22:43
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what do you mean of restrict? please clarify more
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– Arman_jr
Dec 12 '18 at 22:45
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Since $N$ is normal in $G$, $gHg^{-1}subset N$ and use the fact $N$ is cyclic.
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– Yadati Kiran
Dec 12 '18 at 22:53