Can I stow and draw the same weapon in a single turn?
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I play a level 4 Eldritch Knight who is going use a longsword and whip with the dual wielder feat, which I took at level 4. As it turns out I can't cast spells with 2 weapons in my hands so I had to think of something.
Can I use the the 2 weapon interactions from the dual wielder feat on a single weapon?
You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.
I was thinking of the following order of events.
- I start the turn with both weapons in my hands
- I stow the whip
- I use green flame blade with my longsword as 1d10 + GFB damage
- I draw my whip again.
Is this possible or am I overlooking something?
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I play a level 4 Eldritch Knight who is going use a longsword and whip with the dual wielder feat, which I took at level 4. As it turns out I can't cast spells with 2 weapons in my hands so I had to think of something.
Can I use the the 2 weapon interactions from the dual wielder feat on a single weapon?
You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.
I was thinking of the following order of events.
- I start the turn with both weapons in my hands
- I stow the whip
- I use green flame blade with my longsword as 1d10 + GFB damage
- I draw my whip again.
Is this possible or am I overlooking something?
dnd-5e weapons two-weapon-fighting
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I play a level 4 Eldritch Knight who is going use a longsword and whip with the dual wielder feat, which I took at level 4. As it turns out I can't cast spells with 2 weapons in my hands so I had to think of something.
Can I use the the 2 weapon interactions from the dual wielder feat on a single weapon?
You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.
I was thinking of the following order of events.
- I start the turn with both weapons in my hands
- I stow the whip
- I use green flame blade with my longsword as 1d10 + GFB damage
- I draw my whip again.
Is this possible or am I overlooking something?
dnd-5e weapons two-weapon-fighting
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I play a level 4 Eldritch Knight who is going use a longsword and whip with the dual wielder feat, which I took at level 4. As it turns out I can't cast spells with 2 weapons in my hands so I had to think of something.
Can I use the the 2 weapon interactions from the dual wielder feat on a single weapon?
You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.
I was thinking of the following order of events.
- I start the turn with both weapons in my hands
- I stow the whip
- I use green flame blade with my longsword as 1d10 + GFB damage
- I draw my whip again.
Is this possible or am I overlooking something?
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dnd-5e weapons two-weapon-fighting
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Dual Wielder only allows drawing/stowing a second weapon
Your plan would fall over at the last step because you only get one free object interaction per turn.
From "Other Activity on Your Turn" (PHB, p. 190):
You can also interact with one object or feature from the environment for free, during either your move or your action. For example, ... you could draw your weapon as part of the same action you use to attack.
[...]
If you want to interact with a second object, you need to use your action.
The Dual Wielder feat does not give you two free item interactions, it lets you draw or stow two weapons at the same time instead of one. Drawing and stowing the same weapon clearly cannot be done simultaneously, so this would require two item interactions to achieve.
The relevant benefit of the Dual Wielder feat (PHB, p. 165):
- You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.
As it stands, your plan would only work if you waited until you next turn to draw the whip again or if you found a way to have two actions (e.g. haste, Action Surge, etc.) so that you have an extra action with which to draw the whip again.
That said, green-flame blade in particular, as I understand it, wouldn't require you to put the whip away, since it doesn't require a Somatic component and the Material component is "a weapon" (SCAG, p. 143). It goes on to say:
As part of the action used to cast this spell, you must make a melee attack with a weapon...
So you could skip all this whip juggling and just cast the spell with your action, using your blade in hand (the other hand being irrelevant).
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Technically, what the OP is wanting to do, stow and draw the same whip, is, in fact, interacting with only one object, not a second object. While it might not have been what was intended, the rules you've quoted don't preclude doing a second thing with the same object. There may be other text that precludes it, but what you've quoted so far doesn't. OTOH, what you've quoted does make it clear that the Dual Wielder feat doesn't affect this situation.
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– Makyen
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The War Caster feat would help, right?
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Dec 24 '18 at 22:43
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@NathanS Re: only needing one hand to cast green flame blade: you're totally right. But I think the OP was trying to have two hands available for the longsword so they could get the 1d10 versatile damage from the sword instead of the 1d8 one handed damage.
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– Gandalfmeansme
Dec 25 '18 at 2:37
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Oh, you also might want to mention that some DMs (including Jeremy Crawford ) will let you drop an item without using up your "interact with an object" for the round. Then all you'd have to worry about is an enemy using a held action to grab your dropped weapon (which only is likely if you use this tactic several times in a row). But let me stress, the answer is great as it is.
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Short answer? No.
...because Dual Wielder isn't giving you two weapon interactions. It's making your one weapon interaction affect two weapons at a time. It doesn't let you split it up, it doesn't let you apply it twice to the same weapon. It just lets you draw both weapons at once or sheathe them both at once
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No, because drawing your whip again at the end of the turn is not part of your move or your action.
You can also interact with one object or feature of the environment for free, during either your move or your action. For example, you could open a door during your move as you stride toward a foe, or you could draw your weapon as part of the same action you use to attack.
When you stow your whip, you're doing it in order to cast a spell (because you need a free hand).
When you draw your whip afterward, it's not in the course of anything. Your action is over. If you tried to draw it "during your move" I'd also disallow that, since (1) you can interact with an object either during your move or your action and you already interacted with it during your action, and (2) more importantly, drawing a weapon doesn't facilitate your movement.
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Dual Wielder only allows drawing/stowing a second weapon
Your plan would fall over at the last step because you only get one free object interaction per turn.
From "Other Activity on Your Turn" (PHB, p. 190):
You can also interact with one object or feature from the environment for free, during either your move or your action. For example, ... you could draw your weapon as part of the same action you use to attack.
[...]
If you want to interact with a second object, you need to use your action.
The Dual Wielder feat does not give you two free item interactions, it lets you draw or stow two weapons at the same time instead of one. Drawing and stowing the same weapon clearly cannot be done simultaneously, so this would require two item interactions to achieve.
The relevant benefit of the Dual Wielder feat (PHB, p. 165):
- You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.
As it stands, your plan would only work if you waited until you next turn to draw the whip again or if you found a way to have two actions (e.g. haste, Action Surge, etc.) so that you have an extra action with which to draw the whip again.
That said, green-flame blade in particular, as I understand it, wouldn't require you to put the whip away, since it doesn't require a Somatic component and the Material component is "a weapon" (SCAG, p. 143). It goes on to say:
As part of the action used to cast this spell, you must make a melee attack with a weapon...
So you could skip all this whip juggling and just cast the spell with your action, using your blade in hand (the other hand being irrelevant).
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Technically, what the OP is wanting to do, stow and draw the same whip, is, in fact, interacting with only one object, not a second object. While it might not have been what was intended, the rules you've quoted don't preclude doing a second thing with the same object. There may be other text that precludes it, but what you've quoted so far doesn't. OTOH, what you've quoted does make it clear that the Dual Wielder feat doesn't affect this situation.
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– Makyen
Dec 24 '18 at 21:08
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The War Caster feat would help, right?
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– tox123
Dec 24 '18 at 22:43
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@NathanS Re: only needing one hand to cast green flame blade: you're totally right. But I think the OP was trying to have two hands available for the longsword so they could get the 1d10 versatile damage from the sword instead of the 1d8 one handed damage.
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– Gandalfmeansme
Dec 25 '18 at 2:37
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Oh, you also might want to mention that some DMs (including Jeremy Crawford ) will let you drop an item without using up your "interact with an object" for the round. Then all you'd have to worry about is an enemy using a held action to grab your dropped weapon (which only is likely if you use this tactic several times in a row). But let me stress, the answer is great as it is.
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– Gandalfmeansme
Dec 25 '18 at 2:39
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Dual Wielder only allows drawing/stowing a second weapon
Your plan would fall over at the last step because you only get one free object interaction per turn.
From "Other Activity on Your Turn" (PHB, p. 190):
You can also interact with one object or feature from the environment for free, during either your move or your action. For example, ... you could draw your weapon as part of the same action you use to attack.
[...]
If you want to interact with a second object, you need to use your action.
The Dual Wielder feat does not give you two free item interactions, it lets you draw or stow two weapons at the same time instead of one. Drawing and stowing the same weapon clearly cannot be done simultaneously, so this would require two item interactions to achieve.
The relevant benefit of the Dual Wielder feat (PHB, p. 165):
- You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.
As it stands, your plan would only work if you waited until you next turn to draw the whip again or if you found a way to have two actions (e.g. haste, Action Surge, etc.) so that you have an extra action with which to draw the whip again.
That said, green-flame blade in particular, as I understand it, wouldn't require you to put the whip away, since it doesn't require a Somatic component and the Material component is "a weapon" (SCAG, p. 143). It goes on to say:
As part of the action used to cast this spell, you must make a melee attack with a weapon...
So you could skip all this whip juggling and just cast the spell with your action, using your blade in hand (the other hand being irrelevant).
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1
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Technically, what the OP is wanting to do, stow and draw the same whip, is, in fact, interacting with only one object, not a second object. While it might not have been what was intended, the rules you've quoted don't preclude doing a second thing with the same object. There may be other text that precludes it, but what you've quoted so far doesn't. OTOH, what you've quoted does make it clear that the Dual Wielder feat doesn't affect this situation.
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– Makyen
Dec 24 '18 at 21:08
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The War Caster feat would help, right?
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– tox123
Dec 24 '18 at 22:43
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@NathanS Re: only needing one hand to cast green flame blade: you're totally right. But I think the OP was trying to have two hands available for the longsword so they could get the 1d10 versatile damage from the sword instead of the 1d8 one handed damage.
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– Gandalfmeansme
Dec 25 '18 at 2:37
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Oh, you also might want to mention that some DMs (including Jeremy Crawford ) will let you drop an item without using up your "interact with an object" for the round. Then all you'd have to worry about is an enemy using a held action to grab your dropped weapon (which only is likely if you use this tactic several times in a row). But let me stress, the answer is great as it is.
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– Gandalfmeansme
Dec 25 '18 at 2:39
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Dual Wielder only allows drawing/stowing a second weapon
Your plan would fall over at the last step because you only get one free object interaction per turn.
From "Other Activity on Your Turn" (PHB, p. 190):
You can also interact with one object or feature from the environment for free, during either your move or your action. For example, ... you could draw your weapon as part of the same action you use to attack.
[...]
If you want to interact with a second object, you need to use your action.
The Dual Wielder feat does not give you two free item interactions, it lets you draw or stow two weapons at the same time instead of one. Drawing and stowing the same weapon clearly cannot be done simultaneously, so this would require two item interactions to achieve.
The relevant benefit of the Dual Wielder feat (PHB, p. 165):
- You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.
As it stands, your plan would only work if you waited until you next turn to draw the whip again or if you found a way to have two actions (e.g. haste, Action Surge, etc.) so that you have an extra action with which to draw the whip again.
That said, green-flame blade in particular, as I understand it, wouldn't require you to put the whip away, since it doesn't require a Somatic component and the Material component is "a weapon" (SCAG, p. 143). It goes on to say:
As part of the action used to cast this spell, you must make a melee attack with a weapon...
So you could skip all this whip juggling and just cast the spell with your action, using your blade in hand (the other hand being irrelevant).
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Dual Wielder only allows drawing/stowing a second weapon
Your plan would fall over at the last step because you only get one free object interaction per turn.
From "Other Activity on Your Turn" (PHB, p. 190):
You can also interact with one object or feature from the environment for free, during either your move or your action. For example, ... you could draw your weapon as part of the same action you use to attack.
[...]
If you want to interact with a second object, you need to use your action.
The Dual Wielder feat does not give you two free item interactions, it lets you draw or stow two weapons at the same time instead of one. Drawing and stowing the same weapon clearly cannot be done simultaneously, so this would require two item interactions to achieve.
The relevant benefit of the Dual Wielder feat (PHB, p. 165):
- You can draw or stow two one-handed weapons when you would normally be able to draw or stow only one.
As it stands, your plan would only work if you waited until you next turn to draw the whip again or if you found a way to have two actions (e.g. haste, Action Surge, etc.) so that you have an extra action with which to draw the whip again.
That said, green-flame blade in particular, as I understand it, wouldn't require you to put the whip away, since it doesn't require a Somatic component and the Material component is "a weapon" (SCAG, p. 143). It goes on to say:
As part of the action used to cast this spell, you must make a melee attack with a weapon...
So you could skip all this whip juggling and just cast the spell with your action, using your blade in hand (the other hand being irrelevant).
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Technically, what the OP is wanting to do, stow and draw the same whip, is, in fact, interacting with only one object, not a second object. While it might not have been what was intended, the rules you've quoted don't preclude doing a second thing with the same object. There may be other text that precludes it, but what you've quoted so far doesn't. OTOH, what you've quoted does make it clear that the Dual Wielder feat doesn't affect this situation.
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– Makyen
Dec 24 '18 at 21:08
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The War Caster feat would help, right?
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– tox123
Dec 24 '18 at 22:43
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@NathanS Re: only needing one hand to cast green flame blade: you're totally right. But I think the OP was trying to have two hands available for the longsword so they could get the 1d10 versatile damage from the sword instead of the 1d8 one handed damage.
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– Gandalfmeansme
Dec 25 '18 at 2:37
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Oh, you also might want to mention that some DMs (including Jeremy Crawford ) will let you drop an item without using up your "interact with an object" for the round. Then all you'd have to worry about is an enemy using a held action to grab your dropped weapon (which only is likely if you use this tactic several times in a row). But let me stress, the answer is great as it is.
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– Gandalfmeansme
Dec 25 '18 at 2:39
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Technically, what the OP is wanting to do, stow and draw the same whip, is, in fact, interacting with only one object, not a second object. While it might not have been what was intended, the rules you've quoted don't preclude doing a second thing with the same object. There may be other text that precludes it, but what you've quoted so far doesn't. OTOH, what you've quoted does make it clear that the Dual Wielder feat doesn't affect this situation.
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– Makyen
Dec 24 '18 at 21:08
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The War Caster feat would help, right?
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– tox123
Dec 24 '18 at 22:43
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@NathanS Re: only needing one hand to cast green flame blade: you're totally right. But I think the OP was trying to have two hands available for the longsword so they could get the 1d10 versatile damage from the sword instead of the 1d8 one handed damage.
$endgroup$
– Gandalfmeansme
Dec 25 '18 at 2:37
1
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Oh, you also might want to mention that some DMs (including Jeremy Crawford ) will let you drop an item without using up your "interact with an object" for the round. Then all you'd have to worry about is an enemy using a held action to grab your dropped weapon (which only is likely if you use this tactic several times in a row). But let me stress, the answer is great as it is.
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– Gandalfmeansme
Dec 25 '18 at 2:39
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Technically, what the OP is wanting to do, stow and draw the same whip, is, in fact, interacting with only one object, not a second object. While it might not have been what was intended, the rules you've quoted don't preclude doing a second thing with the same object. There may be other text that precludes it, but what you've quoted so far doesn't. OTOH, what you've quoted does make it clear that the Dual Wielder feat doesn't affect this situation.
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– Makyen
Dec 24 '18 at 21:08
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Technically, what the OP is wanting to do, stow and draw the same whip, is, in fact, interacting with only one object, not a second object. While it might not have been what was intended, the rules you've quoted don't preclude doing a second thing with the same object. There may be other text that precludes it, but what you've quoted so far doesn't. OTOH, what you've quoted does make it clear that the Dual Wielder feat doesn't affect this situation.
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– Makyen
Dec 24 '18 at 21:08
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The War Caster feat would help, right?
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– tox123
Dec 24 '18 at 22:43
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The War Caster feat would help, right?
$endgroup$
– tox123
Dec 24 '18 at 22:43
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@NathanS Re: only needing one hand to cast green flame blade: you're totally right. But I think the OP was trying to have two hands available for the longsword so they could get the 1d10 versatile damage from the sword instead of the 1d8 one handed damage.
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– Gandalfmeansme
Dec 25 '18 at 2:37
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@NathanS Re: only needing one hand to cast green flame blade: you're totally right. But I think the OP was trying to have two hands available for the longsword so they could get the 1d10 versatile damage from the sword instead of the 1d8 one handed damage.
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– Gandalfmeansme
Dec 25 '18 at 2:37
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Oh, you also might want to mention that some DMs (including Jeremy Crawford ) will let you drop an item without using up your "interact with an object" for the round. Then all you'd have to worry about is an enemy using a held action to grab your dropped weapon (which only is likely if you use this tactic several times in a row). But let me stress, the answer is great as it is.
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– Gandalfmeansme
Dec 25 '18 at 2:39
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Oh, you also might want to mention that some DMs (including Jeremy Crawford ) will let you drop an item without using up your "interact with an object" for the round. Then all you'd have to worry about is an enemy using a held action to grab your dropped weapon (which only is likely if you use this tactic several times in a row). But let me stress, the answer is great as it is.
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Short answer? No.
...because Dual Wielder isn't giving you two weapon interactions. It's making your one weapon interaction affect two weapons at a time. It doesn't let you split it up, it doesn't let you apply it twice to the same weapon. It just lets you draw both weapons at once or sheathe them both at once
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I think this is correct, but I also think that this answer could use a bit more support.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 24 '18 at 14:32
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Short answer? No.
...because Dual Wielder isn't giving you two weapon interactions. It's making your one weapon interaction affect two weapons at a time. It doesn't let you split it up, it doesn't let you apply it twice to the same weapon. It just lets you draw both weapons at once or sheathe them both at once
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I think this is correct, but I also think that this answer could use a bit more support.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 24 '18 at 14:32
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Short answer? No.
...because Dual Wielder isn't giving you two weapon interactions. It's making your one weapon interaction affect two weapons at a time. It doesn't let you split it up, it doesn't let you apply it twice to the same weapon. It just lets you draw both weapons at once or sheathe them both at once
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Short answer? No.
...because Dual Wielder isn't giving you two weapon interactions. It's making your one weapon interaction affect two weapons at a time. It doesn't let you split it up, it doesn't let you apply it twice to the same weapon. It just lets you draw both weapons at once or sheathe them both at once
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I think this is correct, but I also think that this answer could use a bit more support.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 24 '18 at 14:32
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I think this is correct, but I also think that this answer could use a bit more support.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 24 '18 at 14:32
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I think this is correct, but I also think that this answer could use a bit more support.
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– KorvinStarmast
Dec 24 '18 at 14:32
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I think this is correct, but I also think that this answer could use a bit more support.
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– KorvinStarmast
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No, because drawing your whip again at the end of the turn is not part of your move or your action.
You can also interact with one object or feature of the environment for free, during either your move or your action. For example, you could open a door during your move as you stride toward a foe, or you could draw your weapon as part of the same action you use to attack.
When you stow your whip, you're doing it in order to cast a spell (because you need a free hand).
When you draw your whip afterward, it's not in the course of anything. Your action is over. If you tried to draw it "during your move" I'd also disallow that, since (1) you can interact with an object either during your move or your action and you already interacted with it during your action, and (2) more importantly, drawing a weapon doesn't facilitate your movement.
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No, because drawing your whip again at the end of the turn is not part of your move or your action.
You can also interact with one object or feature of the environment for free, during either your move or your action. For example, you could open a door during your move as you stride toward a foe, or you could draw your weapon as part of the same action you use to attack.
When you stow your whip, you're doing it in order to cast a spell (because you need a free hand).
When you draw your whip afterward, it's not in the course of anything. Your action is over. If you tried to draw it "during your move" I'd also disallow that, since (1) you can interact with an object either during your move or your action and you already interacted with it during your action, and (2) more importantly, drawing a weapon doesn't facilitate your movement.
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No, because drawing your whip again at the end of the turn is not part of your move or your action.
You can also interact with one object or feature of the environment for free, during either your move or your action. For example, you could open a door during your move as you stride toward a foe, or you could draw your weapon as part of the same action you use to attack.
When you stow your whip, you're doing it in order to cast a spell (because you need a free hand).
When you draw your whip afterward, it's not in the course of anything. Your action is over. If you tried to draw it "during your move" I'd also disallow that, since (1) you can interact with an object either during your move or your action and you already interacted with it during your action, and (2) more importantly, drawing a weapon doesn't facilitate your movement.
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No, because drawing your whip again at the end of the turn is not part of your move or your action.
You can also interact with one object or feature of the environment for free, during either your move or your action. For example, you could open a door during your move as you stride toward a foe, or you could draw your weapon as part of the same action you use to attack.
When you stow your whip, you're doing it in order to cast a spell (because you need a free hand).
When you draw your whip afterward, it's not in the course of anything. Your action is over. If you tried to draw it "during your move" I'd also disallow that, since (1) you can interact with an object either during your move or your action and you already interacted with it during your action, and (2) more importantly, drawing a weapon doesn't facilitate your movement.
answered Dec 25 '18 at 2:33
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What's the purpose of this trick?
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