Seemingly unused edef prior to an ifx mysteriously affects the outcome of the ifx. Why?












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It is my understanding that in ifxxy xx else yy fi, ifx does NOT expand its arguments. If you want ifx to compare the expanded values of x and y, then we need to do the expansion ourselves before feeding them to ifx:



edefxpndX{x}
edefxpndY{y}
ifxxpndXxpndY xx else yy fi


asedef does this expansion for us. This is frequently the case when x and y are the arguments in a macro so we really have no idea what kind of quantity they represent.



I was adapting a code snippet I found in user2478's answer to the TeX-SE question Why does this simple ifx test fail? and came up with the following MWE:



documentclass{article}
usepackage[svgnames]{xcolor} % to get named colors

begin{document}

chardefmysteryletter=`H
% loop through A-Z to find out the mystery letter
newcountcurrentchar

currentchar=`A
loop
chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
edeftmp{temp}%
ifxmysterylettertemp {color{Red}bftemp}elsetempfi
advance currentchar by 1
unlessifnum currentchar>90
repeat

end{document}


which, when compiled, generated the output:



enter image description here



which actually is the desired output, but it should NOT have been! I added the statement edeftmp{temp} to get the 'expanded' version of temp intending to change the temp argument to the ifx command to tmp but had not when this document was compiled. Low and behold, the desired result was printed out! This lead me to believe that the expansion performed by the edeftmp{temp} statement was not required, so it was commented out and the document recompiled. This gave the wrong result; the letter H was not bold or red



enter image description here



I note that removing the comment character from the end of the edef command had the expected affect of adding a space between each letter, but did not prevent the 'H' from being found and highlighted.



So my question is this: How does the unused expansion of temp by the edef statement change the comparison performed by the ifx command? What am I missing here?










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    It is my understanding that in ifxxy xx else yy fi, ifx does NOT expand its arguments. If you want ifx to compare the expanded values of x and y, then we need to do the expansion ourselves before feeding them to ifx:



    edefxpndX{x}
    edefxpndY{y}
    ifxxpndXxpndY xx else yy fi


    asedef does this expansion for us. This is frequently the case when x and y are the arguments in a macro so we really have no idea what kind of quantity they represent.



    I was adapting a code snippet I found in user2478's answer to the TeX-SE question Why does this simple ifx test fail? and came up with the following MWE:



    documentclass{article}
    usepackage[svgnames]{xcolor} % to get named colors

    begin{document}

    chardefmysteryletter=`H
    % loop through A-Z to find out the mystery letter
    newcountcurrentchar

    currentchar=`A
    loop
    chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
    edeftmp{temp}%
    ifxmysterylettertemp {color{Red}bftemp}elsetempfi
    advance currentchar by 1
    unlessifnum currentchar>90
    repeat

    end{document}


    which, when compiled, generated the output:



    enter image description here



    which actually is the desired output, but it should NOT have been! I added the statement edeftmp{temp} to get the 'expanded' version of temp intending to change the temp argument to the ifx command to tmp but had not when this document was compiled. Low and behold, the desired result was printed out! This lead me to believe that the expansion performed by the edeftmp{temp} statement was not required, so it was commented out and the document recompiled. This gave the wrong result; the letter H was not bold or red



    enter image description here



    I note that removing the comment character from the end of the edef command had the expected affect of adding a space between each letter, but did not prevent the 'H' from being found and highlighted.



    So my question is this: How does the unused expansion of temp by the edef statement change the comparison performed by the ifx command? What am I missing here?










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      It is my understanding that in ifxxy xx else yy fi, ifx does NOT expand its arguments. If you want ifx to compare the expanded values of x and y, then we need to do the expansion ourselves before feeding them to ifx:



      edefxpndX{x}
      edefxpndY{y}
      ifxxpndXxpndY xx else yy fi


      asedef does this expansion for us. This is frequently the case when x and y are the arguments in a macro so we really have no idea what kind of quantity they represent.



      I was adapting a code snippet I found in user2478's answer to the TeX-SE question Why does this simple ifx test fail? and came up with the following MWE:



      documentclass{article}
      usepackage[svgnames]{xcolor} % to get named colors

      begin{document}

      chardefmysteryletter=`H
      % loop through A-Z to find out the mystery letter
      newcountcurrentchar

      currentchar=`A
      loop
      chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
      edeftmp{temp}%
      ifxmysterylettertemp {color{Red}bftemp}elsetempfi
      advance currentchar by 1
      unlessifnum currentchar>90
      repeat

      end{document}


      which, when compiled, generated the output:



      enter image description here



      which actually is the desired output, but it should NOT have been! I added the statement edeftmp{temp} to get the 'expanded' version of temp intending to change the temp argument to the ifx command to tmp but had not when this document was compiled. Low and behold, the desired result was printed out! This lead me to believe that the expansion performed by the edeftmp{temp} statement was not required, so it was commented out and the document recompiled. This gave the wrong result; the letter H was not bold or red



      enter image description here



      I note that removing the comment character from the end of the edef command had the expected affect of adding a space between each letter, but did not prevent the 'H' from being found and highlighted.



      So my question is this: How does the unused expansion of temp by the edef statement change the comparison performed by the ifx command? What am I missing here?










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      It is my understanding that in ifxxy xx else yy fi, ifx does NOT expand its arguments. If you want ifx to compare the expanded values of x and y, then we need to do the expansion ourselves before feeding them to ifx:



      edefxpndX{x}
      edefxpndY{y}
      ifxxpndXxpndY xx else yy fi


      asedef does this expansion for us. This is frequently the case when x and y are the arguments in a macro so we really have no idea what kind of quantity they represent.



      I was adapting a code snippet I found in user2478's answer to the TeX-SE question Why does this simple ifx test fail? and came up with the following MWE:



      documentclass{article}
      usepackage[svgnames]{xcolor} % to get named colors

      begin{document}

      chardefmysteryletter=`H
      % loop through A-Z to find out the mystery letter
      newcountcurrentchar

      currentchar=`A
      loop
      chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
      edeftmp{temp}%
      ifxmysterylettertemp {color{Red}bftemp}elsetempfi
      advance currentchar by 1
      unlessifnum currentchar>90
      repeat

      end{document}


      which, when compiled, generated the output:



      enter image description here



      which actually is the desired output, but it should NOT have been! I added the statement edeftmp{temp} to get the 'expanded' version of temp intending to change the temp argument to the ifx command to tmp but had not when this document was compiled. Low and behold, the desired result was printed out! This lead me to believe that the expansion performed by the edeftmp{temp} statement was not required, so it was commented out and the document recompiled. This gave the wrong result; the letter H was not bold or red



      enter image description here



      I note that removing the comment character from the end of the edef command had the expected affect of adding a space between each letter, but did not prevent the 'H' from being found and highlighted.



      So my question is this: How does the unused expansion of temp by the edef statement change the comparison performed by the ifx command? What am I missing here?







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            chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
          edeftmp{temp}%


          tokens defined via chardef are not expandable, so edeftmp{temp} is the same as deftmp{temp}



          It is not clear why you do not expect ifxmysterylettertemp not to be true if the two tokens are both defined via chardef with the same number?



          I guess your modified version was equivalent to



            chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          There the ifx test happens before the assignment while looking to end the number, you need



            chardeftemp=thecurrentcharrelax
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          or



            chardeftemp=currentchar
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          So your edef was just acting like relax terminating the chardef assignment.






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          • Thanks for the fast response. Still trying to figure out how to use the TeX-SE question and comment editors, please be patient. I had planned on converting this snippet into a defscanAlpha#1{... so I coded it the way I did expecting the macro argument to be used in the ifx to be somewhat unknown at execution time, say be using scanAlpha{X} which would make the argument to the ifx different from using the chardef as in the snippet.

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            1 hour ago











          • As stated, removing the edef and using either chardeftemp=thecurrentcharrelax or chardeftemp=currentchar works just fine. Aah, such are the mysteries of relaxing. Not sure if I will ever figure out how to relax. Thanks again for this answer.

            – OneMug
            1 hour ago








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            @OneMugit'its not really the relax just that expansion happens when looking for a number, count0=1ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 13 with the ifx test happening before the assignment, but count0=1 ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 1

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            chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
          edeftmp{temp}%


          tokens defined via chardef are not expandable, so edeftmp{temp} is the same as deftmp{temp}



          It is not clear why you do not expect ifxmysterylettertemp not to be true if the two tokens are both defined via chardef with the same number?



          I guess your modified version was equivalent to



            chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          There the ifx test happens before the assignment while looking to end the number, you need



            chardeftemp=thecurrentcharrelax
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          or



            chardeftemp=currentchar
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          So your edef was just acting like relax terminating the chardef assignment.






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          • Thanks for the fast response. Still trying to figure out how to use the TeX-SE question and comment editors, please be patient. I had planned on converting this snippet into a defscanAlpha#1{... so I coded it the way I did expecting the macro argument to be used in the ifx to be somewhat unknown at execution time, say be using scanAlpha{X} which would make the argument to the ifx different from using the chardef as in the snippet.

            – OneMug
            1 hour ago











          • As stated, removing the edef and using either chardeftemp=thecurrentcharrelax or chardeftemp=currentchar works just fine. Aah, such are the mysteries of relaxing. Not sure if I will ever figure out how to relax. Thanks again for this answer.

            – OneMug
            1 hour ago








          • 1





            @OneMugit'its not really the relax just that expansion happens when looking for a number, count0=1ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 13 with the ifx test happening before the assignment, but count0=1 ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 1

            – David Carlisle
            55 mins ago


















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            chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
          edeftmp{temp}%


          tokens defined via chardef are not expandable, so edeftmp{temp} is the same as deftmp{temp}



          It is not clear why you do not expect ifxmysterylettertemp not to be true if the two tokens are both defined via chardef with the same number?



          I guess your modified version was equivalent to



            chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          There the ifx test happens before the assignment while looking to end the number, you need



            chardeftemp=thecurrentcharrelax
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          or



            chardeftemp=currentchar
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          So your edef was just acting like relax terminating the chardef assignment.






          share|improve this answer


























          • Thanks for the fast response. Still trying to figure out how to use the TeX-SE question and comment editors, please be patient. I had planned on converting this snippet into a defscanAlpha#1{... so I coded it the way I did expecting the macro argument to be used in the ifx to be somewhat unknown at execution time, say be using scanAlpha{X} which would make the argument to the ifx different from using the chardef as in the snippet.

            – OneMug
            1 hour ago











          • As stated, removing the edef and using either chardeftemp=thecurrentcharrelax or chardeftemp=currentchar works just fine. Aah, such are the mysteries of relaxing. Not sure if I will ever figure out how to relax. Thanks again for this answer.

            – OneMug
            1 hour ago








          • 1





            @OneMugit'its not really the relax just that expansion happens when looking for a number, count0=1ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 13 with the ifx test happening before the assignment, but count0=1 ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 1

            – David Carlisle
            55 mins ago
















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            chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
          edeftmp{temp}%


          tokens defined via chardef are not expandable, so edeftmp{temp} is the same as deftmp{temp}



          It is not clear why you do not expect ifxmysterylettertemp not to be true if the two tokens are both defined via chardef with the same number?



          I guess your modified version was equivalent to



            chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          There the ifx test happens before the assignment while looking to end the number, you need



            chardeftemp=thecurrentcharrelax
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          or



            chardeftemp=currentchar
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          So your edef was just acting like relax terminating the chardef assignment.






          share|improve this answer















            chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
          edeftmp{temp}%


          tokens defined via chardef are not expandable, so edeftmp{temp} is the same as deftmp{temp}



          It is not clear why you do not expect ifxmysterylettertemp not to be true if the two tokens are both defined via chardef with the same number?



          I guess your modified version was equivalent to



            chardeftemp=thecurrentchar
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          There the ifx test happens before the assignment while looking to end the number, you need



            chardeftemp=thecurrentcharrelax
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          or



            chardeftemp=currentchar
          ifxmysterylettertemp


          So your edef was just acting like relax terminating the chardef assignment.







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          • Thanks for the fast response. Still trying to figure out how to use the TeX-SE question and comment editors, please be patient. I had planned on converting this snippet into a defscanAlpha#1{... so I coded it the way I did expecting the macro argument to be used in the ifx to be somewhat unknown at execution time, say be using scanAlpha{X} which would make the argument to the ifx different from using the chardef as in the snippet.

            – OneMug
            1 hour ago











          • As stated, removing the edef and using either chardeftemp=thecurrentcharrelax or chardeftemp=currentchar works just fine. Aah, such are the mysteries of relaxing. Not sure if I will ever figure out how to relax. Thanks again for this answer.

            – OneMug
            1 hour ago








          • 1





            @OneMugit'its not really the relax just that expansion happens when looking for a number, count0=1ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 13 with the ifx test happening before the assignment, but count0=1 ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 1

            – David Carlisle
            55 mins ago





















          • Thanks for the fast response. Still trying to figure out how to use the TeX-SE question and comment editors, please be patient. I had planned on converting this snippet into a defscanAlpha#1{... so I coded it the way I did expecting the macro argument to be used in the ifx to be somewhat unknown at execution time, say be using scanAlpha{X} which would make the argument to the ifx different from using the chardef as in the snippet.

            – OneMug
            1 hour ago











          • As stated, removing the edef and using either chardeftemp=thecurrentcharrelax or chardeftemp=currentchar works just fine. Aah, such are the mysteries of relaxing. Not sure if I will ever figure out how to relax. Thanks again for this answer.

            – OneMug
            1 hour ago








          • 1





            @OneMugit'its not really the relax just that expansion happens when looking for a number, count0=1ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 13 with the ifx test happening before the assignment, but count0=1 ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 1

            – David Carlisle
            55 mins ago



















          Thanks for the fast response. Still trying to figure out how to use the TeX-SE question and comment editors, please be patient. I had planned on converting this snippet into a defscanAlpha#1{... so I coded it the way I did expecting the macro argument to be used in the ifx to be somewhat unknown at execution time, say be using scanAlpha{X} which would make the argument to the ifx different from using the chardef as in the snippet.

          – OneMug
          1 hour ago





          Thanks for the fast response. Still trying to figure out how to use the TeX-SE question and comment editors, please be patient. I had planned on converting this snippet into a defscanAlpha#1{... so I coded it the way I did expecting the macro argument to be used in the ifx to be somewhat unknown at execution time, say be using scanAlpha{X} which would make the argument to the ifx different from using the chardef as in the snippet.

          – OneMug
          1 hour ago













          As stated, removing the edef and using either chardeftemp=thecurrentcharrelax or chardeftemp=currentchar works just fine. Aah, such are the mysteries of relaxing. Not sure if I will ever figure out how to relax. Thanks again for this answer.

          – OneMug
          1 hour ago







          As stated, removing the edef and using either chardeftemp=thecurrentcharrelax or chardeftemp=currentchar works just fine. Aah, such are the mysteries of relaxing. Not sure if I will ever figure out how to relax. Thanks again for this answer.

          – OneMug
          1 hour ago






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          @OneMugit'its not really the relax just that expansion happens when looking for a number, count0=1ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 13 with the ifx test happening before the assignment, but count0=1 ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 1

          – David Carlisle
          55 mins ago







          @OneMugit'its not really the relax just that expansion happens when looking for a number, count0=1ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 13 with the ifx test happening before the assignment, but count0=1 ifx ab 2else 3fi sets count0 to 1

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