A proof that the Cantor set is Perfect











up vote
6
down vote

favorite
2












I found in a book a proof that the Cantor Set $Delta$ is perfect, however I would like to know if "my proof" does the job in the same way.




Theorem: The Cantor Set $Delta$ is perfect.



Proof: Let $x in Delta$ and fix $epsilon > 0$. Then, we can take a $n_0 = n$ sufficiently large to have $epsilon > 1/3^{n_0}$.
Thus, the interval $[a, b]$ where $x$ lies is a subset of $B_epsilon
> (x)$. Hence, by iterating the construction of the Cantor set for $N >
n_0$, we have intervals of length $1/3^N$ all included in $B_epsilon
(x)$, but with only one of those intervals such that $x$ lies within.




The intution behind the proof was that we should prove that for every $x$, if $x in Delta$, then for every $epsilon >0$, $B_epsilon (x) setminus {x} cap Delta neq varnothing$.



Now, I do not particularly like my reference to the $[a, b]$ interval that is not mentioned before. Moreover, here – by choosing a closed interval – I am trying to address all at once the case in which $x$ is an endpoint of one of the closed intervals that form $Delta$. Finally, I did not close the proof with a statement like "Thus, there are infinitely many points that differ from $x$ and that lie within $B_epsilon (x)$.



In the end, I am not completely sure if this can be considered a proof or not. The intuition is correct (I am kind of positive about it), but I am not sure if I was actually able to write down my intuition in a good way.



As always any feedback is more than welcome.

Thank you!










share|cite|improve this question




















  • 1




    Do you know that the Cantor set is closed (hence compact)? Now, does the Cantor set have an isolated point?
    – Somabha Mukherjee
    Jan 4 '15 at 13:22










  • @SomabhaMukherjee: Thanks! Yes, I see your point. Still, the point of the question is if my argumentation (and the way in which it is written!) works, not if there is another – much quicker way – to get the result. Hence, the tags on proof-verification and proof-writing. :)
    – Kolmin
    Jan 4 '15 at 14:24















up vote
6
down vote

favorite
2












I found in a book a proof that the Cantor Set $Delta$ is perfect, however I would like to know if "my proof" does the job in the same way.




Theorem: The Cantor Set $Delta$ is perfect.



Proof: Let $x in Delta$ and fix $epsilon > 0$. Then, we can take a $n_0 = n$ sufficiently large to have $epsilon > 1/3^{n_0}$.
Thus, the interval $[a, b]$ where $x$ lies is a subset of $B_epsilon
> (x)$. Hence, by iterating the construction of the Cantor set for $N >
n_0$, we have intervals of length $1/3^N$ all included in $B_epsilon
(x)$, but with only one of those intervals such that $x$ lies within.




The intution behind the proof was that we should prove that for every $x$, if $x in Delta$, then for every $epsilon >0$, $B_epsilon (x) setminus {x} cap Delta neq varnothing$.



Now, I do not particularly like my reference to the $[a, b]$ interval that is not mentioned before. Moreover, here – by choosing a closed interval – I am trying to address all at once the case in which $x$ is an endpoint of one of the closed intervals that form $Delta$. Finally, I did not close the proof with a statement like "Thus, there are infinitely many points that differ from $x$ and that lie within $B_epsilon (x)$.



In the end, I am not completely sure if this can be considered a proof or not. The intuition is correct (I am kind of positive about it), but I am not sure if I was actually able to write down my intuition in a good way.



As always any feedback is more than welcome.

Thank you!










share|cite|improve this question




















  • 1




    Do you know that the Cantor set is closed (hence compact)? Now, does the Cantor set have an isolated point?
    – Somabha Mukherjee
    Jan 4 '15 at 13:22










  • @SomabhaMukherjee: Thanks! Yes, I see your point. Still, the point of the question is if my argumentation (and the way in which it is written!) works, not if there is another – much quicker way – to get the result. Hence, the tags on proof-verification and proof-writing. :)
    – Kolmin
    Jan 4 '15 at 14:24













up vote
6
down vote

favorite
2









up vote
6
down vote

favorite
2






2





I found in a book a proof that the Cantor Set $Delta$ is perfect, however I would like to know if "my proof" does the job in the same way.




Theorem: The Cantor Set $Delta$ is perfect.



Proof: Let $x in Delta$ and fix $epsilon > 0$. Then, we can take a $n_0 = n$ sufficiently large to have $epsilon > 1/3^{n_0}$.
Thus, the interval $[a, b]$ where $x$ lies is a subset of $B_epsilon
> (x)$. Hence, by iterating the construction of the Cantor set for $N >
n_0$, we have intervals of length $1/3^N$ all included in $B_epsilon
(x)$, but with only one of those intervals such that $x$ lies within.




The intution behind the proof was that we should prove that for every $x$, if $x in Delta$, then for every $epsilon >0$, $B_epsilon (x) setminus {x} cap Delta neq varnothing$.



Now, I do not particularly like my reference to the $[a, b]$ interval that is not mentioned before. Moreover, here – by choosing a closed interval – I am trying to address all at once the case in which $x$ is an endpoint of one of the closed intervals that form $Delta$. Finally, I did not close the proof with a statement like "Thus, there are infinitely many points that differ from $x$ and that lie within $B_epsilon (x)$.



In the end, I am not completely sure if this can be considered a proof or not. The intuition is correct (I am kind of positive about it), but I am not sure if I was actually able to write down my intuition in a good way.



As always any feedback is more than welcome.

Thank you!










share|cite|improve this question















I found in a book a proof that the Cantor Set $Delta$ is perfect, however I would like to know if "my proof" does the job in the same way.




Theorem: The Cantor Set $Delta$ is perfect.



Proof: Let $x in Delta$ and fix $epsilon > 0$. Then, we can take a $n_0 = n$ sufficiently large to have $epsilon > 1/3^{n_0}$.
Thus, the interval $[a, b]$ where $x$ lies is a subset of $B_epsilon
> (x)$. Hence, by iterating the construction of the Cantor set for $N >
n_0$, we have intervals of length $1/3^N$ all included in $B_epsilon
(x)$, but with only one of those intervals such that $x$ lies within.




The intution behind the proof was that we should prove that for every $x$, if $x in Delta$, then for every $epsilon >0$, $B_epsilon (x) setminus {x} cap Delta neq varnothing$.



Now, I do not particularly like my reference to the $[a, b]$ interval that is not mentioned before. Moreover, here – by choosing a closed interval – I am trying to address all at once the case in which $x$ is an endpoint of one of the closed intervals that form $Delta$. Finally, I did not close the proof with a statement like "Thus, there are infinitely many points that differ from $x$ and that lie within $B_epsilon (x)$.



In the end, I am not completely sure if this can be considered a proof or not. The intuition is correct (I am kind of positive about it), but I am not sure if I was actually able to write down my intuition in a good way.



As always any feedback is more than welcome.

Thank you!







real-analysis proof-verification proof-writing cantor-set






share|cite|improve this question















share|cite|improve this question













share|cite|improve this question




share|cite|improve this question








edited Nov 19 at 10:16









Martin Sleziak

44.4k7115268




44.4k7115268










asked Jan 4 '15 at 13:11









Kolmin

1,84811332




1,84811332








  • 1




    Do you know that the Cantor set is closed (hence compact)? Now, does the Cantor set have an isolated point?
    – Somabha Mukherjee
    Jan 4 '15 at 13:22










  • @SomabhaMukherjee: Thanks! Yes, I see your point. Still, the point of the question is if my argumentation (and the way in which it is written!) works, not if there is another – much quicker way – to get the result. Hence, the tags on proof-verification and proof-writing. :)
    – Kolmin
    Jan 4 '15 at 14:24














  • 1




    Do you know that the Cantor set is closed (hence compact)? Now, does the Cantor set have an isolated point?
    – Somabha Mukherjee
    Jan 4 '15 at 13:22










  • @SomabhaMukherjee: Thanks! Yes, I see your point. Still, the point of the question is if my argumentation (and the way in which it is written!) works, not if there is another – much quicker way – to get the result. Hence, the tags on proof-verification and proof-writing. :)
    – Kolmin
    Jan 4 '15 at 14:24








1




1




Do you know that the Cantor set is closed (hence compact)? Now, does the Cantor set have an isolated point?
– Somabha Mukherjee
Jan 4 '15 at 13:22




Do you know that the Cantor set is closed (hence compact)? Now, does the Cantor set have an isolated point?
– Somabha Mukherjee
Jan 4 '15 at 13:22












@SomabhaMukherjee: Thanks! Yes, I see your point. Still, the point of the question is if my argumentation (and the way in which it is written!) works, not if there is another – much quicker way – to get the result. Hence, the tags on proof-verification and proof-writing. :)
– Kolmin
Jan 4 '15 at 14:24




@SomabhaMukherjee: Thanks! Yes, I see your point. Still, the point of the question is if my argumentation (and the way in which it is written!) works, not if there is another – much quicker way – to get the result. Hence, the tags on proof-verification and proof-writing. :)
– Kolmin
Jan 4 '15 at 14:24










2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes

















up vote
7
down vote



accepted










Your idea is sound, but you’ve not expressed it clearly enough for you to have a real proof. I’ll write up an argument along the general lines that you have in mind.




Let $xinDelta$ and $epsilon>0$ be arbitrary. Choose $ninBbb N$ large enough so that $3^{-n}<epsilon$. $C_n$, the $n$-th stage in the standard construction of $Delta$, is the union of $2^n$ pairwise disjoint closed intervals, each of length $3^{-n}$; let $I$ be the one of these intervals containing $x$, clearly $Isubseteq B_epsilon(x)$.



Now consider $C_{n+1}$: it’s a disjoint union of $2^{n+1}$ closed intervals, each of length $3^{-(n+1)}$, and exactly two of these intervals, say $I_0$ and $I_1$, are subsets of $I$. Let $I_0$ be the one that contains $x$. $Deltacap I_1$ is non-empty for the same reason that $Delta$ is non-empty (why is that?), so let $yinDeltacap I_1$. Then $yinDeltacapbig(B_epsilon(x)setminus{x}big)$, and since $epsilon>0$ was arbitrary, $x$ is a limit point of $Delta$. Finally, $xinDelta$ was arbitrary, and $Delta$ is closed, so $Delta$ is perfect. $dashv$




It isn’t actually necessary to split $I$ into $I_0$ and $I_1$. Let $I=[a,b]$; then $a,binDeltacap B_epsilon(x)$, and since $x$ cannot be equal to both $a$ and $b$, $Deltacapbig(B_epsilon(x)setminus{x}big)nevarnothing$.






share|cite|improve this answer





















  • First of all, as always, thanks a lot! Regarding the proof and your last statement, actually this is exactly what made me think if the proof was ok. Indeed, the proof I found in a book referred exactly to what you mentioned in the end, but in my proof I was not referring to it. Beyond this, now I have to admit that the comment to my original question by Somabha Mukherjee is making me wonder: why do we actually need any sort of "long" proof like mine (more precisely... yours) or another that does not use a split of the interval?
    – Kolmin
    Jan 5 '15 at 10:43






  • 1




    @Kolmin: You're very welcome! We need some such argument in order to show that it has no isolated points. That comment seems to take this for granted, but it requires proof.
    – Brian M. Scott
    Jan 5 '15 at 10:57


















up vote
0
down vote













Let $xin Delta$, For any $epsilon>0$, consider $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)$ Using archemedean propery, $exists Nin mathbb N: frac{1}{3^N}<epsilon$. Let $frac{M}{3^N}=max {frac{m}{3^N}:frac{m}{3^N}<x space text{and} space min mathbb N}$. So $xin [frac{M}{3^N},frac{M+1}{3^N}]subset (x-epsilon,x+epsilon).$ Consider the $N+1$ the stage of construction Removing $(frac{3M+1}{3^{N+1}},frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}})$ from $[frac{M}{3^N},frac{M+1}{3^N}]$.



Case 1 $xin [frac{M}{3^N},frac{3M+1}{3^{N+1}}].$ there exists $cin Delta$: $cin [frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}},frac{M+1}{3^{N}}]$. Hence $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)cap Delta setminus {x}neq emptyset.$ So, $x$ is a limit point of $Delta$.



Similarly



Case 2 suppose $xin [frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}},frac{M+1}{3^{N}}]$, We have $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)cap Delta setminus {x}neq emptyset.$ Hence, $x$ is the limit point of $Delta$.
So, $Delta$ is a perfect set.






share|cite|improve this answer





















    Your Answer





    StackExchange.ifUsing("editor", function () {
    return StackExchange.using("mathjaxEditing", function () {
    StackExchange.MarkdownEditor.creationCallbacks.add(function (editor, postfix) {
    StackExchange.mathjaxEditing.prepareWmdForMathJax(editor, postfix, [["$", "$"], ["\\(","\\)"]]);
    });
    });
    }, "mathjax-editing");

    StackExchange.ready(function() {
    var channelOptions = {
    tags: "".split(" "),
    id: "69"
    };
    initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

    StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function() {
    // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
    if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled) {
    StackExchange.using("snippets", function() {
    createEditor();
    });
    }
    else {
    createEditor();
    }
    });

    function createEditor() {
    StackExchange.prepareEditor({
    heartbeatType: 'answer',
    convertImagesToLinks: true,
    noModals: true,
    showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
    reputationToPostImages: 10,
    bindNavPrevention: true,
    postfix: "",
    imageUploader: {
    brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
    contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
    allowUrls: true
    },
    noCode: true, onDemand: true,
    discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
    ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
    });


    }
    });














     

    draft saved


    draft discarded


















    StackExchange.ready(
    function () {
    StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f1090736%2fa-proof-that-the-cantor-set-is-perfect%23new-answer', 'question_page');
    }
    );

    Post as a guest















    Required, but never shown

























    2 Answers
    2






    active

    oldest

    votes








    2 Answers
    2






    active

    oldest

    votes









    active

    oldest

    votes






    active

    oldest

    votes








    up vote
    7
    down vote



    accepted










    Your idea is sound, but you’ve not expressed it clearly enough for you to have a real proof. I’ll write up an argument along the general lines that you have in mind.




    Let $xinDelta$ and $epsilon>0$ be arbitrary. Choose $ninBbb N$ large enough so that $3^{-n}<epsilon$. $C_n$, the $n$-th stage in the standard construction of $Delta$, is the union of $2^n$ pairwise disjoint closed intervals, each of length $3^{-n}$; let $I$ be the one of these intervals containing $x$, clearly $Isubseteq B_epsilon(x)$.



    Now consider $C_{n+1}$: it’s a disjoint union of $2^{n+1}$ closed intervals, each of length $3^{-(n+1)}$, and exactly two of these intervals, say $I_0$ and $I_1$, are subsets of $I$. Let $I_0$ be the one that contains $x$. $Deltacap I_1$ is non-empty for the same reason that $Delta$ is non-empty (why is that?), so let $yinDeltacap I_1$. Then $yinDeltacapbig(B_epsilon(x)setminus{x}big)$, and since $epsilon>0$ was arbitrary, $x$ is a limit point of $Delta$. Finally, $xinDelta$ was arbitrary, and $Delta$ is closed, so $Delta$ is perfect. $dashv$




    It isn’t actually necessary to split $I$ into $I_0$ and $I_1$. Let $I=[a,b]$; then $a,binDeltacap B_epsilon(x)$, and since $x$ cannot be equal to both $a$ and $b$, $Deltacapbig(B_epsilon(x)setminus{x}big)nevarnothing$.






    share|cite|improve this answer





















    • First of all, as always, thanks a lot! Regarding the proof and your last statement, actually this is exactly what made me think if the proof was ok. Indeed, the proof I found in a book referred exactly to what you mentioned in the end, but in my proof I was not referring to it. Beyond this, now I have to admit that the comment to my original question by Somabha Mukherjee is making me wonder: why do we actually need any sort of "long" proof like mine (more precisely... yours) or another that does not use a split of the interval?
      – Kolmin
      Jan 5 '15 at 10:43






    • 1




      @Kolmin: You're very welcome! We need some such argument in order to show that it has no isolated points. That comment seems to take this for granted, but it requires proof.
      – Brian M. Scott
      Jan 5 '15 at 10:57















    up vote
    7
    down vote



    accepted










    Your idea is sound, but you’ve not expressed it clearly enough for you to have a real proof. I’ll write up an argument along the general lines that you have in mind.




    Let $xinDelta$ and $epsilon>0$ be arbitrary. Choose $ninBbb N$ large enough so that $3^{-n}<epsilon$. $C_n$, the $n$-th stage in the standard construction of $Delta$, is the union of $2^n$ pairwise disjoint closed intervals, each of length $3^{-n}$; let $I$ be the one of these intervals containing $x$, clearly $Isubseteq B_epsilon(x)$.



    Now consider $C_{n+1}$: it’s a disjoint union of $2^{n+1}$ closed intervals, each of length $3^{-(n+1)}$, and exactly two of these intervals, say $I_0$ and $I_1$, are subsets of $I$. Let $I_0$ be the one that contains $x$. $Deltacap I_1$ is non-empty for the same reason that $Delta$ is non-empty (why is that?), so let $yinDeltacap I_1$. Then $yinDeltacapbig(B_epsilon(x)setminus{x}big)$, and since $epsilon>0$ was arbitrary, $x$ is a limit point of $Delta$. Finally, $xinDelta$ was arbitrary, and $Delta$ is closed, so $Delta$ is perfect. $dashv$




    It isn’t actually necessary to split $I$ into $I_0$ and $I_1$. Let $I=[a,b]$; then $a,binDeltacap B_epsilon(x)$, and since $x$ cannot be equal to both $a$ and $b$, $Deltacapbig(B_epsilon(x)setminus{x}big)nevarnothing$.






    share|cite|improve this answer





















    • First of all, as always, thanks a lot! Regarding the proof and your last statement, actually this is exactly what made me think if the proof was ok. Indeed, the proof I found in a book referred exactly to what you mentioned in the end, but in my proof I was not referring to it. Beyond this, now I have to admit that the comment to my original question by Somabha Mukherjee is making me wonder: why do we actually need any sort of "long" proof like mine (more precisely... yours) or another that does not use a split of the interval?
      – Kolmin
      Jan 5 '15 at 10:43






    • 1




      @Kolmin: You're very welcome! We need some such argument in order to show that it has no isolated points. That comment seems to take this for granted, but it requires proof.
      – Brian M. Scott
      Jan 5 '15 at 10:57













    up vote
    7
    down vote



    accepted







    up vote
    7
    down vote



    accepted






    Your idea is sound, but you’ve not expressed it clearly enough for you to have a real proof. I’ll write up an argument along the general lines that you have in mind.




    Let $xinDelta$ and $epsilon>0$ be arbitrary. Choose $ninBbb N$ large enough so that $3^{-n}<epsilon$. $C_n$, the $n$-th stage in the standard construction of $Delta$, is the union of $2^n$ pairwise disjoint closed intervals, each of length $3^{-n}$; let $I$ be the one of these intervals containing $x$, clearly $Isubseteq B_epsilon(x)$.



    Now consider $C_{n+1}$: it’s a disjoint union of $2^{n+1}$ closed intervals, each of length $3^{-(n+1)}$, and exactly two of these intervals, say $I_0$ and $I_1$, are subsets of $I$. Let $I_0$ be the one that contains $x$. $Deltacap I_1$ is non-empty for the same reason that $Delta$ is non-empty (why is that?), so let $yinDeltacap I_1$. Then $yinDeltacapbig(B_epsilon(x)setminus{x}big)$, and since $epsilon>0$ was arbitrary, $x$ is a limit point of $Delta$. Finally, $xinDelta$ was arbitrary, and $Delta$ is closed, so $Delta$ is perfect. $dashv$




    It isn’t actually necessary to split $I$ into $I_0$ and $I_1$. Let $I=[a,b]$; then $a,binDeltacap B_epsilon(x)$, and since $x$ cannot be equal to both $a$ and $b$, $Deltacapbig(B_epsilon(x)setminus{x}big)nevarnothing$.






    share|cite|improve this answer












    Your idea is sound, but you’ve not expressed it clearly enough for you to have a real proof. I’ll write up an argument along the general lines that you have in mind.




    Let $xinDelta$ and $epsilon>0$ be arbitrary. Choose $ninBbb N$ large enough so that $3^{-n}<epsilon$. $C_n$, the $n$-th stage in the standard construction of $Delta$, is the union of $2^n$ pairwise disjoint closed intervals, each of length $3^{-n}$; let $I$ be the one of these intervals containing $x$, clearly $Isubseteq B_epsilon(x)$.



    Now consider $C_{n+1}$: it’s a disjoint union of $2^{n+1}$ closed intervals, each of length $3^{-(n+1)}$, and exactly two of these intervals, say $I_0$ and $I_1$, are subsets of $I$. Let $I_0$ be the one that contains $x$. $Deltacap I_1$ is non-empty for the same reason that $Delta$ is non-empty (why is that?), so let $yinDeltacap I_1$. Then $yinDeltacapbig(B_epsilon(x)setminus{x}big)$, and since $epsilon>0$ was arbitrary, $x$ is a limit point of $Delta$. Finally, $xinDelta$ was arbitrary, and $Delta$ is closed, so $Delta$ is perfect. $dashv$




    It isn’t actually necessary to split $I$ into $I_0$ and $I_1$. Let $I=[a,b]$; then $a,binDeltacap B_epsilon(x)$, and since $x$ cannot be equal to both $a$ and $b$, $Deltacapbig(B_epsilon(x)setminus{x}big)nevarnothing$.







    share|cite|improve this answer












    share|cite|improve this answer



    share|cite|improve this answer










    answered Jan 4 '15 at 22:46









    Brian M. Scott

    453k38503903




    453k38503903












    • First of all, as always, thanks a lot! Regarding the proof and your last statement, actually this is exactly what made me think if the proof was ok. Indeed, the proof I found in a book referred exactly to what you mentioned in the end, but in my proof I was not referring to it. Beyond this, now I have to admit that the comment to my original question by Somabha Mukherjee is making me wonder: why do we actually need any sort of "long" proof like mine (more precisely... yours) or another that does not use a split of the interval?
      – Kolmin
      Jan 5 '15 at 10:43






    • 1




      @Kolmin: You're very welcome! We need some such argument in order to show that it has no isolated points. That comment seems to take this for granted, but it requires proof.
      – Brian M. Scott
      Jan 5 '15 at 10:57


















    • First of all, as always, thanks a lot! Regarding the proof and your last statement, actually this is exactly what made me think if the proof was ok. Indeed, the proof I found in a book referred exactly to what you mentioned in the end, but in my proof I was not referring to it. Beyond this, now I have to admit that the comment to my original question by Somabha Mukherjee is making me wonder: why do we actually need any sort of "long" proof like mine (more precisely... yours) or another that does not use a split of the interval?
      – Kolmin
      Jan 5 '15 at 10:43






    • 1




      @Kolmin: You're very welcome! We need some such argument in order to show that it has no isolated points. That comment seems to take this for granted, but it requires proof.
      – Brian M. Scott
      Jan 5 '15 at 10:57
















    First of all, as always, thanks a lot! Regarding the proof and your last statement, actually this is exactly what made me think if the proof was ok. Indeed, the proof I found in a book referred exactly to what you mentioned in the end, but in my proof I was not referring to it. Beyond this, now I have to admit that the comment to my original question by Somabha Mukherjee is making me wonder: why do we actually need any sort of "long" proof like mine (more precisely... yours) or another that does not use a split of the interval?
    – Kolmin
    Jan 5 '15 at 10:43




    First of all, as always, thanks a lot! Regarding the proof and your last statement, actually this is exactly what made me think if the proof was ok. Indeed, the proof I found in a book referred exactly to what you mentioned in the end, but in my proof I was not referring to it. Beyond this, now I have to admit that the comment to my original question by Somabha Mukherjee is making me wonder: why do we actually need any sort of "long" proof like mine (more precisely... yours) or another that does not use a split of the interval?
    – Kolmin
    Jan 5 '15 at 10:43




    1




    1




    @Kolmin: You're very welcome! We need some such argument in order to show that it has no isolated points. That comment seems to take this for granted, but it requires proof.
    – Brian M. Scott
    Jan 5 '15 at 10:57




    @Kolmin: You're very welcome! We need some such argument in order to show that it has no isolated points. That comment seems to take this for granted, but it requires proof.
    – Brian M. Scott
    Jan 5 '15 at 10:57










    up vote
    0
    down vote













    Let $xin Delta$, For any $epsilon>0$, consider $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)$ Using archemedean propery, $exists Nin mathbb N: frac{1}{3^N}<epsilon$. Let $frac{M}{3^N}=max {frac{m}{3^N}:frac{m}{3^N}<x space text{and} space min mathbb N}$. So $xin [frac{M}{3^N},frac{M+1}{3^N}]subset (x-epsilon,x+epsilon).$ Consider the $N+1$ the stage of construction Removing $(frac{3M+1}{3^{N+1}},frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}})$ from $[frac{M}{3^N},frac{M+1}{3^N}]$.



    Case 1 $xin [frac{M}{3^N},frac{3M+1}{3^{N+1}}].$ there exists $cin Delta$: $cin [frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}},frac{M+1}{3^{N}}]$. Hence $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)cap Delta setminus {x}neq emptyset.$ So, $x$ is a limit point of $Delta$.



    Similarly



    Case 2 suppose $xin [frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}},frac{M+1}{3^{N}}]$, We have $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)cap Delta setminus {x}neq emptyset.$ Hence, $x$ is the limit point of $Delta$.
    So, $Delta$ is a perfect set.






    share|cite|improve this answer

























      up vote
      0
      down vote













      Let $xin Delta$, For any $epsilon>0$, consider $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)$ Using archemedean propery, $exists Nin mathbb N: frac{1}{3^N}<epsilon$. Let $frac{M}{3^N}=max {frac{m}{3^N}:frac{m}{3^N}<x space text{and} space min mathbb N}$. So $xin [frac{M}{3^N},frac{M+1}{3^N}]subset (x-epsilon,x+epsilon).$ Consider the $N+1$ the stage of construction Removing $(frac{3M+1}{3^{N+1}},frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}})$ from $[frac{M}{3^N},frac{M+1}{3^N}]$.



      Case 1 $xin [frac{M}{3^N},frac{3M+1}{3^{N+1}}].$ there exists $cin Delta$: $cin [frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}},frac{M+1}{3^{N}}]$. Hence $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)cap Delta setminus {x}neq emptyset.$ So, $x$ is a limit point of $Delta$.



      Similarly



      Case 2 suppose $xin [frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}},frac{M+1}{3^{N}}]$, We have $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)cap Delta setminus {x}neq emptyset.$ Hence, $x$ is the limit point of $Delta$.
      So, $Delta$ is a perfect set.






      share|cite|improve this answer























        up vote
        0
        down vote










        up vote
        0
        down vote









        Let $xin Delta$, For any $epsilon>0$, consider $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)$ Using archemedean propery, $exists Nin mathbb N: frac{1}{3^N}<epsilon$. Let $frac{M}{3^N}=max {frac{m}{3^N}:frac{m}{3^N}<x space text{and} space min mathbb N}$. So $xin [frac{M}{3^N},frac{M+1}{3^N}]subset (x-epsilon,x+epsilon).$ Consider the $N+1$ the stage of construction Removing $(frac{3M+1}{3^{N+1}},frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}})$ from $[frac{M}{3^N},frac{M+1}{3^N}]$.



        Case 1 $xin [frac{M}{3^N},frac{3M+1}{3^{N+1}}].$ there exists $cin Delta$: $cin [frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}},frac{M+1}{3^{N}}]$. Hence $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)cap Delta setminus {x}neq emptyset.$ So, $x$ is a limit point of $Delta$.



        Similarly



        Case 2 suppose $xin [frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}},frac{M+1}{3^{N}}]$, We have $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)cap Delta setminus {x}neq emptyset.$ Hence, $x$ is the limit point of $Delta$.
        So, $Delta$ is a perfect set.






        share|cite|improve this answer












        Let $xin Delta$, For any $epsilon>0$, consider $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)$ Using archemedean propery, $exists Nin mathbb N: frac{1}{3^N}<epsilon$. Let $frac{M}{3^N}=max {frac{m}{3^N}:frac{m}{3^N}<x space text{and} space min mathbb N}$. So $xin [frac{M}{3^N},frac{M+1}{3^N}]subset (x-epsilon,x+epsilon).$ Consider the $N+1$ the stage of construction Removing $(frac{3M+1}{3^{N+1}},frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}})$ from $[frac{M}{3^N},frac{M+1}{3^N}]$.



        Case 1 $xin [frac{M}{3^N},frac{3M+1}{3^{N+1}}].$ there exists $cin Delta$: $cin [frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}},frac{M+1}{3^{N}}]$. Hence $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)cap Delta setminus {x}neq emptyset.$ So, $x$ is a limit point of $Delta$.



        Similarly



        Case 2 suppose $xin [frac{3M+2}{3^{N+1}},frac{M+1}{3^{N}}]$, We have $(x-epsilon,x+epsilon)cap Delta setminus {x}neq emptyset.$ Hence, $x$ is the limit point of $Delta$.
        So, $Delta$ is a perfect set.







        share|cite|improve this answer












        share|cite|improve this answer



        share|cite|improve this answer










        answered Nov 19 at 9:45









        Unknown x

        2,42911025




        2,42911025






























             

            draft saved


            draft discarded



















































             


            draft saved


            draft discarded














            StackExchange.ready(
            function () {
            StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmath.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f1090736%2fa-proof-that-the-cantor-set-is-perfect%23new-answer', 'question_page');
            }
            );

            Post as a guest















            Required, but never shown





















































            Required, but never shown














            Required, but never shown












            Required, but never shown







            Required, but never shown

































            Required, but never shown














            Required, but never shown












            Required, but never shown







            Required, but never shown







            Popular posts from this blog

            Bundesstraße 106

            Verónica Boquete

            Ida-Boy-Ed-Garten