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I have seen many of the other questions with similar titles (there are quite a few!), but unfortunately I am struggling to apply the concepts and knowledge I have learned to different problems/examples.



Problem Info: A black and white screen has pixels which either take the value $1$ with probability $p$ or a value of $0$ with probability $1-p$, with $p$ being the value of a random variable $P$ which is uniform on $[0,1]$. $X_j$ is the value of pixel $j$, but we observe $Y_j = X_j + noise$ for each pixel. The noise is normal and has mean $= 2$ and unit variance. The $p$ and $noise$ is the same for every pixel, and conditioned on $P$, every $X_j$ is independent. The noise is independent of $P$ and every $X_j$. $A$ is the event that the actual values of $X_1$ and $X_2$, (the first and second pixels) are $= 0$.



I want to find:$ E[Y_j]$, $Var[Y_j]$ and $f_{P|A}(p)$ for $0 leq p leq 1$



My attempt:



$$ E[Y_j] = E[X_j + noise]$$
$$ E[Y_j] = E[X_j]+E[noise] ,,,,,(independent)$$



Now, from the problem info, it seems that $X_j$ is a Bernoulli random variable with a mean of $p$, so:
$$E[Y_j]= p + 2$$
Since $p$ is the realized value of $P$ which is uniformly distributed, it has an expected value of $frac{1}{2}(a+b) = frac{1}{2}$
So, $E[Y_j] = 2.5$



Similarly, $$Var[Y_j]=Var[X_j] + Var[noise] $$
$$Var[Y_j] = p(1-p) + 1$$
$$Var[Y_j] = 0.25 + 1 = 1.25 $$



The last part is where I am having the most trouble. I know that the probability of the first pixel being $0$ is $(1-p)$, and the same for the second. I am not quite sure if I have to use Bayes rule, or even how to use it in this case. I know the answer will be a function of $p$.



$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{f_P(p)*f_{A|P}(p)}{f_{A}(p)}$$
$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{1*(1-p)(1-p)}{f_{A}(p)}$$
$$f_A(p) = int_{0}^{1} f_p(p) *f_{A|P}(p)dp$$
$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{(1-p)(1-p)}{int_{0}^{1} 1 *(1-p)(1-p)dp}$$
$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{(1-p)^2}{frac{1}{3}}$$



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$$E[X_j] = E[E[X_j|P]] = E[P] = p $$
$$E[Y_j] = 0.5 + 2 = 2.5$$
$$$$
$$Var(X_j) = (E[Var(X_j|P)] + Var(E[X_j|P]))$$
$$Var(Y_j) = Var(X_j) + var(noise)$$
$$Var(Y_j) = (E[Var(X_j|P)] + Var(E[X_j|P])) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P(1-P)] + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P]-E[P^2] + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P]-(Var(P)+(E[P])^2) + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P]-Var(P)-(E[P])^2 + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = 0.5-frac{1}{12}-0.25 +frac{1}{12} + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = 1.25$$



same answers as before, but correct notation I believe.



Still having a hard time trying to get an answer for $f_{P|A}(p) $ though.










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  • $Y_j$ is the observed value of pixel $j$. $X_j$ is the actual value of pixel $j$. What does $f_{P|A}(p)$ mean?
    – rrv
    Nov 15 at 7:15










  • $f_{P|A}(p)$ is the conditional probability of $P$ given the event $A$, where "the actual values of $X_1$ and $X_2,$ (the first and second pixels) are $=0$."
    – ChocolateChip
    Nov 15 at 7:40










  • It is not clear what event are you talking about.
    – rrv
    Nov 15 at 13:13










  • I said in the question and above, that A is the event in which the value of the first and second pixels are each zero.Sorry but I am not sure how else I can say that.
    – ChocolateChip
    Nov 16 at 5:21










  • okay. One event is A={first pixel=0 and second pixel=0}. What the is the other event?
    – rrv
    yesterday

















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I have seen many of the other questions with similar titles (there are quite a few!), but unfortunately I am struggling to apply the concepts and knowledge I have learned to different problems/examples.



Problem Info: A black and white screen has pixels which either take the value $1$ with probability $p$ or a value of $0$ with probability $1-p$, with $p$ being the value of a random variable $P$ which is uniform on $[0,1]$. $X_j$ is the value of pixel $j$, but we observe $Y_j = X_j + noise$ for each pixel. The noise is normal and has mean $= 2$ and unit variance. The $p$ and $noise$ is the same for every pixel, and conditioned on $P$, every $X_j$ is independent. The noise is independent of $P$ and every $X_j$. $A$ is the event that the actual values of $X_1$ and $X_2$, (the first and second pixels) are $= 0$.



I want to find:$ E[Y_j]$, $Var[Y_j]$ and $f_{P|A}(p)$ for $0 leq p leq 1$



My attempt:



$$ E[Y_j] = E[X_j + noise]$$
$$ E[Y_j] = E[X_j]+E[noise] ,,,,,(independent)$$



Now, from the problem info, it seems that $X_j$ is a Bernoulli random variable with a mean of $p$, so:
$$E[Y_j]= p + 2$$
Since $p$ is the realized value of $P$ which is uniformly distributed, it has an expected value of $frac{1}{2}(a+b) = frac{1}{2}$
So, $E[Y_j] = 2.5$



Similarly, $$Var[Y_j]=Var[X_j] + Var[noise] $$
$$Var[Y_j] = p(1-p) + 1$$
$$Var[Y_j] = 0.25 + 1 = 1.25 $$



The last part is where I am having the most trouble. I know that the probability of the first pixel being $0$ is $(1-p)$, and the same for the second. I am not quite sure if I have to use Bayes rule, or even how to use it in this case. I know the answer will be a function of $p$.



$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{f_P(p)*f_{A|P}(p)}{f_{A}(p)}$$
$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{1*(1-p)(1-p)}{f_{A}(p)}$$
$$f_A(p) = int_{0}^{1} f_p(p) *f_{A|P}(p)dp$$
$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{(1-p)(1-p)}{int_{0}^{1} 1 *(1-p)(1-p)dp}$$
$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{(1-p)^2}{frac{1}{3}}$$



Edits:



$$E[X_j] = E[E[X_j|P]] = E[P] = p $$
$$E[Y_j] = 0.5 + 2 = 2.5$$
$$$$
$$Var(X_j) = (E[Var(X_j|P)] + Var(E[X_j|P]))$$
$$Var(Y_j) = Var(X_j) + var(noise)$$
$$Var(Y_j) = (E[Var(X_j|P)] + Var(E[X_j|P])) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P(1-P)] + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P]-E[P^2] + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P]-(Var(P)+(E[P])^2) + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P]-Var(P)-(E[P])^2 + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = 0.5-frac{1}{12}-0.25 +frac{1}{12} + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = 1.25$$



same answers as before, but correct notation I believe.



Still having a hard time trying to get an answer for $f_{P|A}(p) $ though.










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  • $Y_j$ is the observed value of pixel $j$. $X_j$ is the actual value of pixel $j$. What does $f_{P|A}(p)$ mean?
    – rrv
    Nov 15 at 7:15










  • $f_{P|A}(p)$ is the conditional probability of $P$ given the event $A$, where "the actual values of $X_1$ and $X_2,$ (the first and second pixels) are $=0$."
    – ChocolateChip
    Nov 15 at 7:40










  • It is not clear what event are you talking about.
    – rrv
    Nov 15 at 13:13










  • I said in the question and above, that A is the event in which the value of the first and second pixels are each zero.Sorry but I am not sure how else I can say that.
    – ChocolateChip
    Nov 16 at 5:21










  • okay. One event is A={first pixel=0 and second pixel=0}. What the is the other event?
    – rrv
    yesterday















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Category: Introductory Probability



I have seen many of the other questions with similar titles (there are quite a few!), but unfortunately I am struggling to apply the concepts and knowledge I have learned to different problems/examples.



Problem Info: A black and white screen has pixels which either take the value $1$ with probability $p$ or a value of $0$ with probability $1-p$, with $p$ being the value of a random variable $P$ which is uniform on $[0,1]$. $X_j$ is the value of pixel $j$, but we observe $Y_j = X_j + noise$ for each pixel. The noise is normal and has mean $= 2$ and unit variance. The $p$ and $noise$ is the same for every pixel, and conditioned on $P$, every $X_j$ is independent. The noise is independent of $P$ and every $X_j$. $A$ is the event that the actual values of $X_1$ and $X_2$, (the first and second pixels) are $= 0$.



I want to find:$ E[Y_j]$, $Var[Y_j]$ and $f_{P|A}(p)$ for $0 leq p leq 1$



My attempt:



$$ E[Y_j] = E[X_j + noise]$$
$$ E[Y_j] = E[X_j]+E[noise] ,,,,,(independent)$$



Now, from the problem info, it seems that $X_j$ is a Bernoulli random variable with a mean of $p$, so:
$$E[Y_j]= p + 2$$
Since $p$ is the realized value of $P$ which is uniformly distributed, it has an expected value of $frac{1}{2}(a+b) = frac{1}{2}$
So, $E[Y_j] = 2.5$



Similarly, $$Var[Y_j]=Var[X_j] + Var[noise] $$
$$Var[Y_j] = p(1-p) + 1$$
$$Var[Y_j] = 0.25 + 1 = 1.25 $$



The last part is where I am having the most trouble. I know that the probability of the first pixel being $0$ is $(1-p)$, and the same for the second. I am not quite sure if I have to use Bayes rule, or even how to use it in this case. I know the answer will be a function of $p$.



$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{f_P(p)*f_{A|P}(p)}{f_{A}(p)}$$
$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{1*(1-p)(1-p)}{f_{A}(p)}$$
$$f_A(p) = int_{0}^{1} f_p(p) *f_{A|P}(p)dp$$
$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{(1-p)(1-p)}{int_{0}^{1} 1 *(1-p)(1-p)dp}$$
$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{(1-p)^2}{frac{1}{3}}$$



Edits:



$$E[X_j] = E[E[X_j|P]] = E[P] = p $$
$$E[Y_j] = 0.5 + 2 = 2.5$$
$$$$
$$Var(X_j) = (E[Var(X_j|P)] + Var(E[X_j|P]))$$
$$Var(Y_j) = Var(X_j) + var(noise)$$
$$Var(Y_j) = (E[Var(X_j|P)] + Var(E[X_j|P])) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P(1-P)] + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P]-E[P^2] + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P]-(Var(P)+(E[P])^2) + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P]-Var(P)-(E[P])^2 + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = 0.5-frac{1}{12}-0.25 +frac{1}{12} + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = 1.25$$



same answers as before, but correct notation I believe.



Still having a hard time trying to get an answer for $f_{P|A}(p) $ though.










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Category: Introductory Probability



I have seen many of the other questions with similar titles (there are quite a few!), but unfortunately I am struggling to apply the concepts and knowledge I have learned to different problems/examples.



Problem Info: A black and white screen has pixels which either take the value $1$ with probability $p$ or a value of $0$ with probability $1-p$, with $p$ being the value of a random variable $P$ which is uniform on $[0,1]$. $X_j$ is the value of pixel $j$, but we observe $Y_j = X_j + noise$ for each pixel. The noise is normal and has mean $= 2$ and unit variance. The $p$ and $noise$ is the same for every pixel, and conditioned on $P$, every $X_j$ is independent. The noise is independent of $P$ and every $X_j$. $A$ is the event that the actual values of $X_1$ and $X_2$, (the first and second pixels) are $= 0$.



I want to find:$ E[Y_j]$, $Var[Y_j]$ and $f_{P|A}(p)$ for $0 leq p leq 1$



My attempt:



$$ E[Y_j] = E[X_j + noise]$$
$$ E[Y_j] = E[X_j]+E[noise] ,,,,,(independent)$$



Now, from the problem info, it seems that $X_j$ is a Bernoulli random variable with a mean of $p$, so:
$$E[Y_j]= p + 2$$
Since $p$ is the realized value of $P$ which is uniformly distributed, it has an expected value of $frac{1}{2}(a+b) = frac{1}{2}$
So, $E[Y_j] = 2.5$



Similarly, $$Var[Y_j]=Var[X_j] + Var[noise] $$
$$Var[Y_j] = p(1-p) + 1$$
$$Var[Y_j] = 0.25 + 1 = 1.25 $$



The last part is where I am having the most trouble. I know that the probability of the first pixel being $0$ is $(1-p)$, and the same for the second. I am not quite sure if I have to use Bayes rule, or even how to use it in this case. I know the answer will be a function of $p$.



$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{f_P(p)*f_{A|P}(p)}{f_{A}(p)}$$
$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{1*(1-p)(1-p)}{f_{A}(p)}$$
$$f_A(p) = int_{0}^{1} f_p(p) *f_{A|P}(p)dp$$
$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{(1-p)(1-p)}{int_{0}^{1} 1 *(1-p)(1-p)dp}$$
$$f_{P|A}(p)= frac{(1-p)^2}{frac{1}{3}}$$



Edits:



$$E[X_j] = E[E[X_j|P]] = E[P] = p $$
$$E[Y_j] = 0.5 + 2 = 2.5$$
$$$$
$$Var(X_j) = (E[Var(X_j|P)] + Var(E[X_j|P]))$$
$$Var(Y_j) = Var(X_j) + var(noise)$$
$$Var(Y_j) = (E[Var(X_j|P)] + Var(E[X_j|P])) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P(1-P)] + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P]-E[P^2] + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P]-(Var(P)+(E[P])^2) + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = E[P]-Var(P)-(E[P])^2 + Var(P) + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = 0.5-frac{1}{12}-0.25 +frac{1}{12} + 1$$
$$Var(Y_j) = 1.25$$



same answers as before, but correct notation I believe.



Still having a hard time trying to get an answer for $f_{P|A}(p) $ though.







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  • $Y_j$ is the observed value of pixel $j$. $X_j$ is the actual value of pixel $j$. What does $f_{P|A}(p)$ mean?
    – rrv
    Nov 15 at 7:15










  • $f_{P|A}(p)$ is the conditional probability of $P$ given the event $A$, where "the actual values of $X_1$ and $X_2,$ (the first and second pixels) are $=0$."
    – ChocolateChip
    Nov 15 at 7:40










  • It is not clear what event are you talking about.
    – rrv
    Nov 15 at 13:13










  • I said in the question and above, that A is the event in which the value of the first and second pixels are each zero.Sorry but I am not sure how else I can say that.
    – ChocolateChip
    Nov 16 at 5:21










  • okay. One event is A={first pixel=0 and second pixel=0}. What the is the other event?
    – rrv
    yesterday




















  • $Y_j$ is the observed value of pixel $j$. $X_j$ is the actual value of pixel $j$. What does $f_{P|A}(p)$ mean?
    – rrv
    Nov 15 at 7:15










  • $f_{P|A}(p)$ is the conditional probability of $P$ given the event $A$, where "the actual values of $X_1$ and $X_2,$ (the first and second pixels) are $=0$."
    – ChocolateChip
    Nov 15 at 7:40










  • It is not clear what event are you talking about.
    – rrv
    Nov 15 at 13:13










  • I said in the question and above, that A is the event in which the value of the first and second pixels are each zero.Sorry but I am not sure how else I can say that.
    – ChocolateChip
    Nov 16 at 5:21










  • okay. One event is A={first pixel=0 and second pixel=0}. What the is the other event?
    – rrv
    yesterday


















$Y_j$ is the observed value of pixel $j$. $X_j$ is the actual value of pixel $j$. What does $f_{P|A}(p)$ mean?
– rrv
Nov 15 at 7:15




$Y_j$ is the observed value of pixel $j$. $X_j$ is the actual value of pixel $j$. What does $f_{P|A}(p)$ mean?
– rrv
Nov 15 at 7:15












$f_{P|A}(p)$ is the conditional probability of $P$ given the event $A$, where "the actual values of $X_1$ and $X_2,$ (the first and second pixels) are $=0$."
– ChocolateChip
Nov 15 at 7:40




$f_{P|A}(p)$ is the conditional probability of $P$ given the event $A$, where "the actual values of $X_1$ and $X_2,$ (the first and second pixels) are $=0$."
– ChocolateChip
Nov 15 at 7:40












It is not clear what event are you talking about.
– rrv
Nov 15 at 13:13




It is not clear what event are you talking about.
– rrv
Nov 15 at 13:13












I said in the question and above, that A is the event in which the value of the first and second pixels are each zero.Sorry but I am not sure how else I can say that.
– ChocolateChip
Nov 16 at 5:21




I said in the question and above, that A is the event in which the value of the first and second pixels are each zero.Sorry but I am not sure how else I can say that.
– ChocolateChip
Nov 16 at 5:21












okay. One event is A={first pixel=0 and second pixel=0}. What the is the other event?
– rrv
yesterday






okay. One event is A={first pixel=0 and second pixel=0}. What the is the other event?
– rrv
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