L'Hospital's Rule application with raised exponents.
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I am having a little trouble going about:
$$lim_{xto infty} left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x}$$
Using $ln$ properties we can bring down the $10x$ exponent and have:$$ln y=10xlnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)$$
And from here I get stuck trying to apply L'Hospital's Rule to find the limit.
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I am having a little trouble going about:
$$lim_{xto infty} left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x}$$
Using $ln$ properties we can bring down the $10x$ exponent and have:$$ln y=10xlnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)$$
And from here I get stuck trying to apply L'Hospital's Rule to find the limit.
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You don't necessarly need l'Hopital here and I suggest to avoid that when we can proceed by standard limits.
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I am having a little trouble going about:
$$lim_{xto infty} left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x}$$
Using $ln$ properties we can bring down the $10x$ exponent and have:$$ln y=10xlnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)$$
And from here I get stuck trying to apply L'Hospital's Rule to find the limit.
calculus limits derivatives
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I am having a little trouble going about:
$$lim_{xto infty} left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x}$$
Using $ln$ properties we can bring down the $10x$ exponent and have:$$ln y=10xlnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)$$
And from here I get stuck trying to apply L'Hospital's Rule to find the limit.
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calculus limits derivatives
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You don't necessarly need l'Hopital here and I suggest to avoid that when we can proceed by standard limits.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
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You don't necessarly need l'Hopital here and I suggest to avoid that when we can proceed by standard limits.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
You don't necessarly need l'Hopital here and I suggest to avoid that when we can proceed by standard limits.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
You don't necessarly need l'Hopital here and I suggest to avoid that when we can proceed by standard limits.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
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Hint :
$$10x ln left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)= frac{ln left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)}{frac{1}{10x}}$$
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Hint: You want to reach some kind of indeterminate form, so you need to mess around with the fractions to reach a desirable form.
$$ln y=10xlnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)$$
$$ln y=frac{lnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)}{frac{1}{10x}}$$
Now, you can continue.
As an alternative approach (both faster and easier), you can use $lim_limits{n to infty}big(1+frac{x}{n}big)^n = e^x$. These expressions are easily manipulated to reach such a form.
Notice the numerator is $10$ less than the denominator, so $frac{14x}{14x+14} = 1+frac{-10}{14x+10}$. Hence, you get
$$lim_{xto infty} left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x} = lim_{xto infty} Biggl[left(1+frac{-10}{14x+10}right)^{14x+10}Biggl]^{frac{10x}{14x+10}}$$
(+1) for the double hint
– gimusi
4 hours ago
I am supposed to get an answer involving e. So I need to focus on your alternative approach method?
– pijoborde
3 hours ago
@pijoborde You can use both method. I prefer and suggest the second one which is much more instructive.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
I don't know if you've worked on the limit provided for $e^x$. If you're allowed to use it, why not? For all limits like this, just look for a way to reach something in the form $$lim_{n to infty}bigg[bigg(1+frac{x}{n}bigg)^nbigg]^m$$ and evaluate the limit from there. It's very simple and has little room for error.
– KM101
3 hours ago
Your answers are complete, but in my honest opinion, I don't find much sense in answering the same thing as others have first done and just elaborating it. The first part of your answer was answered by me and the second part by Gimusi.
– Rebellos
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HINT
We can use that
$$left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x}=left(frac{14x+10-10}{14x+10}right)^{10x}=left[left(1-frac{10}{14x+10}right)^{frac{14x+10}{10}}right]^{frac{10cdot 10x}{14x+10}}$$
and refer to standard limits.
+1 by me since that was the original answer manipulating the definition of $e$.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
@Rebellos Thanks also your hint is very effective since the asker was looking for a method to apply l'Hopital rule! :)
– gimusi
2 hours ago
I still don't get where e can come from here???
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
@pijoborde Are you aware for as $nto infty$ $left(1+frac1nright)^n to e$ and $left(1+frac a nright)^n to e^a$?
– gimusi
2 hours ago
And our a value is represented by 10 in this instance or? Making the answer e raised to 10? I mean, I feel like the answer is supposed to be e raised to some negative fraction.
– pijoborde
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Once you get to the logarithm, you need
$$
lim_{xtoinfty}frac{lndfrac{14x}{14x+10}}{dfrac{1}{10x}}
$$
which is in the form $0/0$ and l'Hôpital can be applied. However it's much simpler if the numerator is written as $ln14+ln x-ln(14x+10)$, in order to compute the derivative (you know the limit is $0$ anyhow). So we get
$$
lim_{xtoinfty}frac{dfrac{1}{x}-dfrac{14}{14x+10}}{-dfrac{1}{10x^2}}=
lim_{xtoinfty}-10x^2frac{14x+10-14x}{x(14x+10)}=lim_{xtoinfty}-frac{100x}{14x+10}
$$
When you have this limit, let me call it $l$, the one you started with is $e^l$.
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With equivalents, it 's very fast:$$lnbiggl(frac{14x}{14x+10}biggr)=lnbiggl(1-frac{10}{14x+10}biggr)sim_infty -frac{10}{14x+10}sim_infty -frac{10}{14x}=-frac 57,$$
so,as equivalence is compatible with multplication/division,
$$10xlnbiggl(frac{14x}{14x+10}biggr)sim_infty -frac{50x}{7x}to -frac{50}7.$$
Warning: equivalence is not compatible with addition/subtraction. It is compatible, under mild hypotheses, with composition on the left by logarithm.
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Equivalents are fast but also dangerous to handle for limits.
– gimusi
4 hours ago
Why? If one knows the rules… When I was a student, our professor used to say that L'Hospital's rule can be dangerous (there are some hypotheses no one ever thinks to check), and when it works, Taylor at order $1$ works as well.
– Bernard
3 hours ago
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I'm not referring of course to the use by an expert user like you but for not expert user it can be dangerous. Let consider for example the limit $frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}$ accorging to $log (1+t) sim t$ one could conclude that $$frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}sim frac{t-t}{t^2}=0$$ which is of course wrong.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
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I think you should always indicates that issue when you suggest to use equivalents to not expert users.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
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I'm not claiming that the method is wrong, I'm claiming that we need to be aware about it to handle them and a not expert user can easily make a mistake. I would suggest for example use them in the form $log(1+t)=t+o(t)$ in order to take into account the rermainder term. But it is only a suggestion of course.
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Hint :
$$10x ln left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)= frac{ln left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)}{frac{1}{10x}}$$
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Hint :
$$10x ln left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)= frac{ln left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)}{frac{1}{10x}}$$
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Hint :
$$10x ln left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)= frac{ln left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)}{frac{1}{10x}}$$
Hint :
$$10x ln left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)= frac{ln left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)}{frac{1}{10x}}$$
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Hint: You want to reach some kind of indeterminate form, so you need to mess around with the fractions to reach a desirable form.
$$ln y=10xlnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)$$
$$ln y=frac{lnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)}{frac{1}{10x}}$$
Now, you can continue.
As an alternative approach (both faster and easier), you can use $lim_limits{n to infty}big(1+frac{x}{n}big)^n = e^x$. These expressions are easily manipulated to reach such a form.
Notice the numerator is $10$ less than the denominator, so $frac{14x}{14x+14} = 1+frac{-10}{14x+10}$. Hence, you get
$$lim_{xto infty} left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x} = lim_{xto infty} Biggl[left(1+frac{-10}{14x+10}right)^{14x+10}Biggl]^{frac{10x}{14x+10}}$$
(+1) for the double hint
– gimusi
4 hours ago
I am supposed to get an answer involving e. So I need to focus on your alternative approach method?
– pijoborde
3 hours ago
@pijoborde You can use both method. I prefer and suggest the second one which is much more instructive.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
I don't know if you've worked on the limit provided for $e^x$. If you're allowed to use it, why not? For all limits like this, just look for a way to reach something in the form $$lim_{n to infty}bigg[bigg(1+frac{x}{n}bigg)^nbigg]^m$$ and evaluate the limit from there. It's very simple and has little room for error.
– KM101
3 hours ago
Your answers are complete, but in my honest opinion, I don't find much sense in answering the same thing as others have first done and just elaborating it. The first part of your answer was answered by me and the second part by Gimusi.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
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Hint: You want to reach some kind of indeterminate form, so you need to mess around with the fractions to reach a desirable form.
$$ln y=10xlnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)$$
$$ln y=frac{lnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)}{frac{1}{10x}}$$
Now, you can continue.
As an alternative approach (both faster and easier), you can use $lim_limits{n to infty}big(1+frac{x}{n}big)^n = e^x$. These expressions are easily manipulated to reach such a form.
Notice the numerator is $10$ less than the denominator, so $frac{14x}{14x+14} = 1+frac{-10}{14x+10}$. Hence, you get
$$lim_{xto infty} left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x} = lim_{xto infty} Biggl[left(1+frac{-10}{14x+10}right)^{14x+10}Biggl]^{frac{10x}{14x+10}}$$
(+1) for the double hint
– gimusi
4 hours ago
I am supposed to get an answer involving e. So I need to focus on your alternative approach method?
– pijoborde
3 hours ago
@pijoborde You can use both method. I prefer and suggest the second one which is much more instructive.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
I don't know if you've worked on the limit provided for $e^x$. If you're allowed to use it, why not? For all limits like this, just look for a way to reach something in the form $$lim_{n to infty}bigg[bigg(1+frac{x}{n}bigg)^nbigg]^m$$ and evaluate the limit from there. It's very simple and has little room for error.
– KM101
3 hours ago
Your answers are complete, but in my honest opinion, I don't find much sense in answering the same thing as others have first done and just elaborating it. The first part of your answer was answered by me and the second part by Gimusi.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
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Hint: You want to reach some kind of indeterminate form, so you need to mess around with the fractions to reach a desirable form.
$$ln y=10xlnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)$$
$$ln y=frac{lnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)}{frac{1}{10x}}$$
Now, you can continue.
As an alternative approach (both faster and easier), you can use $lim_limits{n to infty}big(1+frac{x}{n}big)^n = e^x$. These expressions are easily manipulated to reach such a form.
Notice the numerator is $10$ less than the denominator, so $frac{14x}{14x+14} = 1+frac{-10}{14x+10}$. Hence, you get
$$lim_{xto infty} left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x} = lim_{xto infty} Biggl[left(1+frac{-10}{14x+10}right)^{14x+10}Biggl]^{frac{10x}{14x+10}}$$
Hint: You want to reach some kind of indeterminate form, so you need to mess around with the fractions to reach a desirable form.
$$ln y=10xlnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)$$
$$ln y=frac{lnleft(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)}{frac{1}{10x}}$$
Now, you can continue.
As an alternative approach (both faster and easier), you can use $lim_limits{n to infty}big(1+frac{x}{n}big)^n = e^x$. These expressions are easily manipulated to reach such a form.
Notice the numerator is $10$ less than the denominator, so $frac{14x}{14x+14} = 1+frac{-10}{14x+10}$. Hence, you get
$$lim_{xto infty} left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x} = lim_{xto infty} Biggl[left(1+frac{-10}{14x+10}right)^{14x+10}Biggl]^{frac{10x}{14x+10}}$$
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(+1) for the double hint
– gimusi
4 hours ago
I am supposed to get an answer involving e. So I need to focus on your alternative approach method?
– pijoborde
3 hours ago
@pijoborde You can use both method. I prefer and suggest the second one which is much more instructive.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
I don't know if you've worked on the limit provided for $e^x$. If you're allowed to use it, why not? For all limits like this, just look for a way to reach something in the form $$lim_{n to infty}bigg[bigg(1+frac{x}{n}bigg)^nbigg]^m$$ and evaluate the limit from there. It's very simple and has little room for error.
– KM101
3 hours ago
Your answers are complete, but in my honest opinion, I don't find much sense in answering the same thing as others have first done and just elaborating it. The first part of your answer was answered by me and the second part by Gimusi.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
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(+1) for the double hint
– gimusi
4 hours ago
I am supposed to get an answer involving e. So I need to focus on your alternative approach method?
– pijoborde
3 hours ago
@pijoborde You can use both method. I prefer and suggest the second one which is much more instructive.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
I don't know if you've worked on the limit provided for $e^x$. If you're allowed to use it, why not? For all limits like this, just look for a way to reach something in the form $$lim_{n to infty}bigg[bigg(1+frac{x}{n}bigg)^nbigg]^m$$ and evaluate the limit from there. It's very simple and has little room for error.
– KM101
3 hours ago
Your answers are complete, but in my honest opinion, I don't find much sense in answering the same thing as others have first done and just elaborating it. The first part of your answer was answered by me and the second part by Gimusi.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
(+1) for the double hint
– gimusi
4 hours ago
(+1) for the double hint
– gimusi
4 hours ago
I am supposed to get an answer involving e. So I need to focus on your alternative approach method?
– pijoborde
3 hours ago
I am supposed to get an answer involving e. So I need to focus on your alternative approach method?
– pijoborde
3 hours ago
@pijoborde You can use both method. I prefer and suggest the second one which is much more instructive.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
@pijoborde You can use both method. I prefer and suggest the second one which is much more instructive.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
I don't know if you've worked on the limit provided for $e^x$. If you're allowed to use it, why not? For all limits like this, just look for a way to reach something in the form $$lim_{n to infty}bigg[bigg(1+frac{x}{n}bigg)^nbigg]^m$$ and evaluate the limit from there. It's very simple and has little room for error.
– KM101
3 hours ago
I don't know if you've worked on the limit provided for $e^x$. If you're allowed to use it, why not? For all limits like this, just look for a way to reach something in the form $$lim_{n to infty}bigg[bigg(1+frac{x}{n}bigg)^nbigg]^m$$ and evaluate the limit from there. It's very simple and has little room for error.
– KM101
3 hours ago
Your answers are complete, but in my honest opinion, I don't find much sense in answering the same thing as others have first done and just elaborating it. The first part of your answer was answered by me and the second part by Gimusi.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
Your answers are complete, but in my honest opinion, I don't find much sense in answering the same thing as others have first done and just elaborating it. The first part of your answer was answered by me and the second part by Gimusi.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
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HINT
We can use that
$$left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x}=left(frac{14x+10-10}{14x+10}right)^{10x}=left[left(1-frac{10}{14x+10}right)^{frac{14x+10}{10}}right]^{frac{10cdot 10x}{14x+10}}$$
and refer to standard limits.
+1 by me since that was the original answer manipulating the definition of $e$.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
@Rebellos Thanks also your hint is very effective since the asker was looking for a method to apply l'Hopital rule! :)
– gimusi
2 hours ago
I still don't get where e can come from here???
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
@pijoborde Are you aware for as $nto infty$ $left(1+frac1nright)^n to e$ and $left(1+frac a nright)^n to e^a$?
– gimusi
2 hours ago
And our a value is represented by 10 in this instance or? Making the answer e raised to 10? I mean, I feel like the answer is supposed to be e raised to some negative fraction.
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
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HINT
We can use that
$$left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x}=left(frac{14x+10-10}{14x+10}right)^{10x}=left[left(1-frac{10}{14x+10}right)^{frac{14x+10}{10}}right]^{frac{10cdot 10x}{14x+10}}$$
and refer to standard limits.
+1 by me since that was the original answer manipulating the definition of $e$.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
@Rebellos Thanks also your hint is very effective since the asker was looking for a method to apply l'Hopital rule! :)
– gimusi
2 hours ago
I still don't get where e can come from here???
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
@pijoborde Are you aware for as $nto infty$ $left(1+frac1nright)^n to e$ and $left(1+frac a nright)^n to e^a$?
– gimusi
2 hours ago
And our a value is represented by 10 in this instance or? Making the answer e raised to 10? I mean, I feel like the answer is supposed to be e raised to some negative fraction.
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
|
show 7 more comments
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up vote
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HINT
We can use that
$$left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x}=left(frac{14x+10-10}{14x+10}right)^{10x}=left[left(1-frac{10}{14x+10}right)^{frac{14x+10}{10}}right]^{frac{10cdot 10x}{14x+10}}$$
and refer to standard limits.
HINT
We can use that
$$left(frac{14x}{14x+10}right)^{10x}=left(frac{14x+10-10}{14x+10}right)^{10x}=left[left(1-frac{10}{14x+10}right)^{frac{14x+10}{10}}right]^{frac{10cdot 10x}{14x+10}}$$
and refer to standard limits.
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gimusi
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+1 by me since that was the original answer manipulating the definition of $e$.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
@Rebellos Thanks also your hint is very effective since the asker was looking for a method to apply l'Hopital rule! :)
– gimusi
2 hours ago
I still don't get where e can come from here???
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
@pijoborde Are you aware for as $nto infty$ $left(1+frac1nright)^n to e$ and $left(1+frac a nright)^n to e^a$?
– gimusi
2 hours ago
And our a value is represented by 10 in this instance or? Making the answer e raised to 10? I mean, I feel like the answer is supposed to be e raised to some negative fraction.
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
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+1 by me since that was the original answer manipulating the definition of $e$.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
@Rebellos Thanks also your hint is very effective since the asker was looking for a method to apply l'Hopital rule! :)
– gimusi
2 hours ago
I still don't get where e can come from here???
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
@pijoborde Are you aware for as $nto infty$ $left(1+frac1nright)^n to e$ and $left(1+frac a nright)^n to e^a$?
– gimusi
2 hours ago
And our a value is represented by 10 in this instance or? Making the answer e raised to 10? I mean, I feel like the answer is supposed to be e raised to some negative fraction.
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
+1 by me since that was the original answer manipulating the definition of $e$.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
+1 by me since that was the original answer manipulating the definition of $e$.
– Rebellos
2 hours ago
@Rebellos Thanks also your hint is very effective since the asker was looking for a method to apply l'Hopital rule! :)
– gimusi
2 hours ago
@Rebellos Thanks also your hint is very effective since the asker was looking for a method to apply l'Hopital rule! :)
– gimusi
2 hours ago
I still don't get where e can come from here???
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
I still don't get where e can come from here???
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
@pijoborde Are you aware for as $nto infty$ $left(1+frac1nright)^n to e$ and $left(1+frac a nright)^n to e^a$?
– gimusi
2 hours ago
@pijoborde Are you aware for as $nto infty$ $left(1+frac1nright)^n to e$ and $left(1+frac a nright)^n to e^a$?
– gimusi
2 hours ago
And our a value is represented by 10 in this instance or? Making the answer e raised to 10? I mean, I feel like the answer is supposed to be e raised to some negative fraction.
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
And our a value is represented by 10 in this instance or? Making the answer e raised to 10? I mean, I feel like the answer is supposed to be e raised to some negative fraction.
– pijoborde
2 hours ago
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Once you get to the logarithm, you need
$$
lim_{xtoinfty}frac{lndfrac{14x}{14x+10}}{dfrac{1}{10x}}
$$
which is in the form $0/0$ and l'Hôpital can be applied. However it's much simpler if the numerator is written as $ln14+ln x-ln(14x+10)$, in order to compute the derivative (you know the limit is $0$ anyhow). So we get
$$
lim_{xtoinfty}frac{dfrac{1}{x}-dfrac{14}{14x+10}}{-dfrac{1}{10x^2}}=
lim_{xtoinfty}-10x^2frac{14x+10-14x}{x(14x+10)}=lim_{xtoinfty}-frac{100x}{14x+10}
$$
When you have this limit, let me call it $l$, the one you started with is $e^l$.
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Once you get to the logarithm, you need
$$
lim_{xtoinfty}frac{lndfrac{14x}{14x+10}}{dfrac{1}{10x}}
$$
which is in the form $0/0$ and l'Hôpital can be applied. However it's much simpler if the numerator is written as $ln14+ln x-ln(14x+10)$, in order to compute the derivative (you know the limit is $0$ anyhow). So we get
$$
lim_{xtoinfty}frac{dfrac{1}{x}-dfrac{14}{14x+10}}{-dfrac{1}{10x^2}}=
lim_{xtoinfty}-10x^2frac{14x+10-14x}{x(14x+10)}=lim_{xtoinfty}-frac{100x}{14x+10}
$$
When you have this limit, let me call it $l$, the one you started with is $e^l$.
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Once you get to the logarithm, you need
$$
lim_{xtoinfty}frac{lndfrac{14x}{14x+10}}{dfrac{1}{10x}}
$$
which is in the form $0/0$ and l'Hôpital can be applied. However it's much simpler if the numerator is written as $ln14+ln x-ln(14x+10)$, in order to compute the derivative (you know the limit is $0$ anyhow). So we get
$$
lim_{xtoinfty}frac{dfrac{1}{x}-dfrac{14}{14x+10}}{-dfrac{1}{10x^2}}=
lim_{xtoinfty}-10x^2frac{14x+10-14x}{x(14x+10)}=lim_{xtoinfty}-frac{100x}{14x+10}
$$
When you have this limit, let me call it $l$, the one you started with is $e^l$.
Once you get to the logarithm, you need
$$
lim_{xtoinfty}frac{lndfrac{14x}{14x+10}}{dfrac{1}{10x}}
$$
which is in the form $0/0$ and l'Hôpital can be applied. However it's much simpler if the numerator is written as $ln14+ln x-ln(14x+10)$, in order to compute the derivative (you know the limit is $0$ anyhow). So we get
$$
lim_{xtoinfty}frac{dfrac{1}{x}-dfrac{14}{14x+10}}{-dfrac{1}{10x^2}}=
lim_{xtoinfty}-10x^2frac{14x+10-14x}{x(14x+10)}=lim_{xtoinfty}-frac{100x}{14x+10}
$$
When you have this limit, let me call it $l$, the one you started with is $e^l$.
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With equivalents, it 's very fast:$$lnbiggl(frac{14x}{14x+10}biggr)=lnbiggl(1-frac{10}{14x+10}biggr)sim_infty -frac{10}{14x+10}sim_infty -frac{10}{14x}=-frac 57,$$
so,as equivalence is compatible with multplication/division,
$$10xlnbiggl(frac{14x}{14x+10}biggr)sim_infty -frac{50x}{7x}to -frac{50}7.$$
Warning: equivalence is not compatible with addition/subtraction. It is compatible, under mild hypotheses, with composition on the left by logarithm.
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Equivalents are fast but also dangerous to handle for limits.
– gimusi
4 hours ago
Why? If one knows the rules… When I was a student, our professor used to say that L'Hospital's rule can be dangerous (there are some hypotheses no one ever thinks to check), and when it works, Taylor at order $1$ works as well.
– Bernard
3 hours ago
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I'm not referring of course to the use by an expert user like you but for not expert user it can be dangerous. Let consider for example the limit $frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}$ accorging to $log (1+t) sim t$ one could conclude that $$frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}sim frac{t-t}{t^2}=0$$ which is of course wrong.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
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I think you should always indicates that issue when you suggest to use equivalents to not expert users.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
1
I'm not claiming that the method is wrong, I'm claiming that we need to be aware about it to handle them and a not expert user can easily make a mistake. I would suggest for example use them in the form $log(1+t)=t+o(t)$ in order to take into account the rermainder term. But it is only a suggestion of course.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
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Tips:
With equivalents, it 's very fast:$$lnbiggl(frac{14x}{14x+10}biggr)=lnbiggl(1-frac{10}{14x+10}biggr)sim_infty -frac{10}{14x+10}sim_infty -frac{10}{14x}=-frac 57,$$
so,as equivalence is compatible with multplication/division,
$$10xlnbiggl(frac{14x}{14x+10}biggr)sim_infty -frac{50x}{7x}to -frac{50}7.$$
Warning: equivalence is not compatible with addition/subtraction. It is compatible, under mild hypotheses, with composition on the left by logarithm.
1
Equivalents are fast but also dangerous to handle for limits.
– gimusi
4 hours ago
Why? If one knows the rules… When I was a student, our professor used to say that L'Hospital's rule can be dangerous (there are some hypotheses no one ever thinks to check), and when it works, Taylor at order $1$ works as well.
– Bernard
3 hours ago
1
I'm not referring of course to the use by an expert user like you but for not expert user it can be dangerous. Let consider for example the limit $frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}$ accorging to $log (1+t) sim t$ one could conclude that $$frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}sim frac{t-t}{t^2}=0$$ which is of course wrong.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
1
I think you should always indicates that issue when you suggest to use equivalents to not expert users.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
1
I'm not claiming that the method is wrong, I'm claiming that we need to be aware about it to handle them and a not expert user can easily make a mistake. I would suggest for example use them in the form $log(1+t)=t+o(t)$ in order to take into account the rermainder term. But it is only a suggestion of course.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
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down vote
Tips:
With equivalents, it 's very fast:$$lnbiggl(frac{14x}{14x+10}biggr)=lnbiggl(1-frac{10}{14x+10}biggr)sim_infty -frac{10}{14x+10}sim_infty -frac{10}{14x}=-frac 57,$$
so,as equivalence is compatible with multplication/division,
$$10xlnbiggl(frac{14x}{14x+10}biggr)sim_infty -frac{50x}{7x}to -frac{50}7.$$
Warning: equivalence is not compatible with addition/subtraction. It is compatible, under mild hypotheses, with composition on the left by logarithm.
Tips:
With equivalents, it 's very fast:$$lnbiggl(frac{14x}{14x+10}biggr)=lnbiggl(1-frac{10}{14x+10}biggr)sim_infty -frac{10}{14x+10}sim_infty -frac{10}{14x}=-frac 57,$$
so,as equivalence is compatible with multplication/division,
$$10xlnbiggl(frac{14x}{14x+10}biggr)sim_infty -frac{50x}{7x}to -frac{50}7.$$
Warning: equivalence is not compatible with addition/subtraction. It is compatible, under mild hypotheses, with composition on the left by logarithm.
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answered 4 hours ago
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Equivalents are fast but also dangerous to handle for limits.
– gimusi
4 hours ago
Why? If one knows the rules… When I was a student, our professor used to say that L'Hospital's rule can be dangerous (there are some hypotheses no one ever thinks to check), and when it works, Taylor at order $1$ works as well.
– Bernard
3 hours ago
1
I'm not referring of course to the use by an expert user like you but for not expert user it can be dangerous. Let consider for example the limit $frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}$ accorging to $log (1+t) sim t$ one could conclude that $$frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}sim frac{t-t}{t^2}=0$$ which is of course wrong.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
1
I think you should always indicates that issue when you suggest to use equivalents to not expert users.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
1
I'm not claiming that the method is wrong, I'm claiming that we need to be aware about it to handle them and a not expert user can easily make a mistake. I would suggest for example use them in the form $log(1+t)=t+o(t)$ in order to take into account the rermainder term. But it is only a suggestion of course.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
1
Equivalents are fast but also dangerous to handle for limits.
– gimusi
4 hours ago
Why? If one knows the rules… When I was a student, our professor used to say that L'Hospital's rule can be dangerous (there are some hypotheses no one ever thinks to check), and when it works, Taylor at order $1$ works as well.
– Bernard
3 hours ago
1
I'm not referring of course to the use by an expert user like you but for not expert user it can be dangerous. Let consider for example the limit $frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}$ accorging to $log (1+t) sim t$ one could conclude that $$frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}sim frac{t-t}{t^2}=0$$ which is of course wrong.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
1
I think you should always indicates that issue when you suggest to use equivalents to not expert users.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
1
I'm not claiming that the method is wrong, I'm claiming that we need to be aware about it to handle them and a not expert user can easily make a mistake. I would suggest for example use them in the form $log(1+t)=t+o(t)$ in order to take into account the rermainder term. But it is only a suggestion of course.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
1
1
Equivalents are fast but also dangerous to handle for limits.
– gimusi
4 hours ago
Equivalents are fast but also dangerous to handle for limits.
– gimusi
4 hours ago
Why? If one knows the rules… When I was a student, our professor used to say that L'Hospital's rule can be dangerous (there are some hypotheses no one ever thinks to check), and when it works, Taylor at order $1$ works as well.
– Bernard
3 hours ago
Why? If one knows the rules… When I was a student, our professor used to say that L'Hospital's rule can be dangerous (there are some hypotheses no one ever thinks to check), and when it works, Taylor at order $1$ works as well.
– Bernard
3 hours ago
1
1
I'm not referring of course to the use by an expert user like you but for not expert user it can be dangerous. Let consider for example the limit $frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}$ accorging to $log (1+t) sim t$ one could conclude that $$frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}sim frac{t-t}{t^2}=0$$ which is of course wrong.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
I'm not referring of course to the use by an expert user like you but for not expert user it can be dangerous. Let consider for example the limit $frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}$ accorging to $log (1+t) sim t$ one could conclude that $$frac{t-log(1+t)}{t^2}sim frac{t-t}{t^2}=0$$ which is of course wrong.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
1
1
I think you should always indicates that issue when you suggest to use equivalents to not expert users.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
I think you should always indicates that issue when you suggest to use equivalents to not expert users.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
1
1
I'm not claiming that the method is wrong, I'm claiming that we need to be aware about it to handle them and a not expert user can easily make a mistake. I would suggest for example use them in the form $log(1+t)=t+o(t)$ in order to take into account the rermainder term. But it is only a suggestion of course.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
I'm not claiming that the method is wrong, I'm claiming that we need to be aware about it to handle them and a not expert user can easily make a mistake. I would suggest for example use them in the form $log(1+t)=t+o(t)$ in order to take into account the rermainder term. But it is only a suggestion of course.
– gimusi
3 hours ago
|
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You don't necessarly need l'Hopital here and I suggest to avoid that when we can proceed by standard limits.
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