Why did Sauron die when the Ring was destroyed in Mount Doom?
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When Isildur cut the One Ring from Sauron's hand, he returned again. But when Frodo went to Mount Doom and accidentally Gollum cast the Ring along with himself, Sauron was defeated and never came back again. Why is this?
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When Isildur cut the One Ring from Sauron's hand, he returned again. But when Frodo went to Mount Doom and accidentally Gollum cast the Ring along with himself, Sauron was defeated and never came back again. Why is this?
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Not an answer because I'm just speculating, but this is how I've always seen it: Isildur killed Sauron's body, and the only reason Sauron survived that was his magic, which itself survived because it was imbued in the Ring. No More Ring meant No More Magic, which in turn meant No More Cheating Death.
– Harry Johnston
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Tolkien took many influences from JRR Rowling - think of the Ring like a Horcrux. Once Harry (Frodo) destroyed the Ring (Horcrux), Lord Voldemort (Sauron) was no longer able to take physical form... (can’t downvote a comment!! - it’s like my essence survives... hmmmm)
– Celestialgranturismo
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Linked or possible dupe:scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/37670/…
– Mat Cauthon
2 hours ago
@Celestialgranturismo - Tolkien took influence from Rowling? Hmm, that explains much :D
– Megha
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@Celestialgranturismo Come on. All know who wrote first. Instead you can think of a horcrux like the Ring.
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When Isildur cut the One Ring from Sauron's hand, he returned again. But when Frodo went to Mount Doom and accidentally Gollum cast the Ring along with himself, Sauron was defeated and never came back again. Why is this?
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When Isildur cut the One Ring from Sauron's hand, he returned again. But when Frodo went to Mount Doom and accidentally Gollum cast the Ring along with himself, Sauron was defeated and never came back again. Why is this?
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Not an answer because I'm just speculating, but this is how I've always seen it: Isildur killed Sauron's body, and the only reason Sauron survived that was his magic, which itself survived because it was imbued in the Ring. No More Ring meant No More Magic, which in turn meant No More Cheating Death.
– Harry Johnston
2 hours ago
1
Tolkien took many influences from JRR Rowling - think of the Ring like a Horcrux. Once Harry (Frodo) destroyed the Ring (Horcrux), Lord Voldemort (Sauron) was no longer able to take physical form... (can’t downvote a comment!! - it’s like my essence survives... hmmmm)
– Celestialgranturismo
2 hours ago
Linked or possible dupe:scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/37670/…
– Mat Cauthon
2 hours ago
@Celestialgranturismo - Tolkien took influence from Rowling? Hmm, that explains much :D
– Megha
16 mins ago
@Celestialgranturismo Come on. All know who wrote first. Instead you can think of a horcrux like the Ring.
– the-profile-that-was-promised
7 mins ago
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Not an answer because I'm just speculating, but this is how I've always seen it: Isildur killed Sauron's body, and the only reason Sauron survived that was his magic, which itself survived because it was imbued in the Ring. No More Ring meant No More Magic, which in turn meant No More Cheating Death.
– Harry Johnston
2 hours ago
1
Tolkien took many influences from JRR Rowling - think of the Ring like a Horcrux. Once Harry (Frodo) destroyed the Ring (Horcrux), Lord Voldemort (Sauron) was no longer able to take physical form... (can’t downvote a comment!! - it’s like my essence survives... hmmmm)
– Celestialgranturismo
2 hours ago
Linked or possible dupe:scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/37670/…
– Mat Cauthon
2 hours ago
@Celestialgranturismo - Tolkien took influence from Rowling? Hmm, that explains much :D
– Megha
16 mins ago
@Celestialgranturismo Come on. All know who wrote first. Instead you can think of a horcrux like the Ring.
– the-profile-that-was-promised
7 mins ago
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Not an answer because I'm just speculating, but this is how I've always seen it: Isildur killed Sauron's body, and the only reason Sauron survived that was his magic, which itself survived because it was imbued in the Ring. No More Ring meant No More Magic, which in turn meant No More Cheating Death.
– Harry Johnston
2 hours ago
Not an answer because I'm just speculating, but this is how I've always seen it: Isildur killed Sauron's body, and the only reason Sauron survived that was his magic, which itself survived because it was imbued in the Ring. No More Ring meant No More Magic, which in turn meant No More Cheating Death.
– Harry Johnston
2 hours ago
1
1
Tolkien took many influences from JRR Rowling - think of the Ring like a Horcrux. Once Harry (Frodo) destroyed the Ring (Horcrux), Lord Voldemort (Sauron) was no longer able to take physical form... (can’t downvote a comment!! - it’s like my essence survives... hmmmm)
– Celestialgranturismo
2 hours ago
Tolkien took many influences from JRR Rowling - think of the Ring like a Horcrux. Once Harry (Frodo) destroyed the Ring (Horcrux), Lord Voldemort (Sauron) was no longer able to take physical form... (can’t downvote a comment!! - it’s like my essence survives... hmmmm)
– Celestialgranturismo
2 hours ago
Linked or possible dupe:scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/37670/…
– Mat Cauthon
2 hours ago
Linked or possible dupe:scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/37670/…
– Mat Cauthon
2 hours ago
@Celestialgranturismo - Tolkien took influence from Rowling? Hmm, that explains much :D
– Megha
16 mins ago
@Celestialgranturismo - Tolkien took influence from Rowling? Hmm, that explains much :D
– Megha
16 mins ago
@Celestialgranturismo Come on. All know who wrote first. Instead you can think of a horcrux like the Ring.
– the-profile-that-was-promised
7 mins ago
@Celestialgranturismo Come on. All know who wrote first. Instead you can think of a horcrux like the Ring.
– the-profile-that-was-promised
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Sauron passed a tremendous amount of his own native power as a Maia into the Ring he forged. Gandalf outlines the situation to Frodo in "The Shadow of the Past":
He only needs the One; for he made that Ring himself, it is his, and he let a great part of his own former power pass into it, so that he could rule all the others.
Tolkien, the Old English scholar, uses "great part" to mean specifically more than half. The Oxford English Dictionary has this gloss for a subsense of great
c.With the. That constitutes more than half, larger, as the great body (of), the great part (of), etc.
with citations going back to Middle English.
So Sauron placed most of his natural power in his artifact. And actually, it seems likely that he place almost all of his power in it. The power that went into the Ring was multiplied by the physical instrumentality of the Ring. Once Sauron put it on, he was more powerful than he ever had been before, and to get the greatest advantage from the Ring, it would be natural for him imbue the Ring with as much of his power as possible, so as to get the largest multiplier effect.
The situation changed significantly when the Dark Lord lost possession of the One Ring. Without it in his possession, he could not use its powers to their fullest potential. However, as long as the Ring existed (and no other power had managed to claim and master the Ring), Sauron still benefited from its powers. The foundations of Barad-dur were secure, and the Ringwraiths were his dutiful servants.
When the Ring went into the Cracks of Doom, all the power that went into it was completely dissipated. Up to that point, Sauron had managed to maintain his position though his distant communion with the Ring that contained so much of his native power. When that power was dispersed, he was not left with enough to have any remaining power over the world. While he was not quite dead, he was reduced to a powerless husk. Gandalf again, in "The Last Debate":
For he will lose the best part of the strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed for ever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape. And so a great evil of this world will be removed.
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It's stated quite clearly that Sauron put the greater part of his own essence into the ring, and although being away from the ring weakened him, it did not do so catastrophically; that part of his essence was still around to keep him strong enough for his purposes.
When the ring was destroyed, that part of his essence was either destroyed (or so it was assumed by everybody who knew about these things) or it was removed from the world entirely so that for all purposes within Arda, it may as well have been destroyed.
It's sort of like putting 90% of your money into the stock of a company. As long as the company is in good shape, for all intents and purposes you are still as rich as you were. But if the company goes bankrupt, such that the stock becomes worthless, then you truly plummet to 10% of your former net worth.
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Sauron passed a tremendous amount of his own native power as a Maia into the Ring he forged. Gandalf outlines the situation to Frodo in "The Shadow of the Past":
He only needs the One; for he made that Ring himself, it is his, and he let a great part of his own former power pass into it, so that he could rule all the others.
Tolkien, the Old English scholar, uses "great part" to mean specifically more than half. The Oxford English Dictionary has this gloss for a subsense of great
c.With the. That constitutes more than half, larger, as the great body (of), the great part (of), etc.
with citations going back to Middle English.
So Sauron placed most of his natural power in his artifact. And actually, it seems likely that he place almost all of his power in it. The power that went into the Ring was multiplied by the physical instrumentality of the Ring. Once Sauron put it on, he was more powerful than he ever had been before, and to get the greatest advantage from the Ring, it would be natural for him imbue the Ring with as much of his power as possible, so as to get the largest multiplier effect.
The situation changed significantly when the Dark Lord lost possession of the One Ring. Without it in his possession, he could not use its powers to their fullest potential. However, as long as the Ring existed (and no other power had managed to claim and master the Ring), Sauron still benefited from its powers. The foundations of Barad-dur were secure, and the Ringwraiths were his dutiful servants.
When the Ring went into the Cracks of Doom, all the power that went into it was completely dissipated. Up to that point, Sauron had managed to maintain his position though his distant communion with the Ring that contained so much of his native power. When that power was dispersed, he was not left with enough to have any remaining power over the world. While he was not quite dead, he was reduced to a powerless husk. Gandalf again, in "The Last Debate":
For he will lose the best part of the strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed for ever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape. And so a great evil of this world will be removed.
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Sauron passed a tremendous amount of his own native power as a Maia into the Ring he forged. Gandalf outlines the situation to Frodo in "The Shadow of the Past":
He only needs the One; for he made that Ring himself, it is his, and he let a great part of his own former power pass into it, so that he could rule all the others.
Tolkien, the Old English scholar, uses "great part" to mean specifically more than half. The Oxford English Dictionary has this gloss for a subsense of great
c.With the. That constitutes more than half, larger, as the great body (of), the great part (of), etc.
with citations going back to Middle English.
So Sauron placed most of his natural power in his artifact. And actually, it seems likely that he place almost all of his power in it. The power that went into the Ring was multiplied by the physical instrumentality of the Ring. Once Sauron put it on, he was more powerful than he ever had been before, and to get the greatest advantage from the Ring, it would be natural for him imbue the Ring with as much of his power as possible, so as to get the largest multiplier effect.
The situation changed significantly when the Dark Lord lost possession of the One Ring. Without it in his possession, he could not use its powers to their fullest potential. However, as long as the Ring existed (and no other power had managed to claim and master the Ring), Sauron still benefited from its powers. The foundations of Barad-dur were secure, and the Ringwraiths were his dutiful servants.
When the Ring went into the Cracks of Doom, all the power that went into it was completely dissipated. Up to that point, Sauron had managed to maintain his position though his distant communion with the Ring that contained so much of his native power. When that power was dispersed, he was not left with enough to have any remaining power over the world. While he was not quite dead, he was reduced to a powerless husk. Gandalf again, in "The Last Debate":
For he will lose the best part of the strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed for ever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape. And so a great evil of this world will be removed.
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Sauron passed a tremendous amount of his own native power as a Maia into the Ring he forged. Gandalf outlines the situation to Frodo in "The Shadow of the Past":
He only needs the One; for he made that Ring himself, it is his, and he let a great part of his own former power pass into it, so that he could rule all the others.
Tolkien, the Old English scholar, uses "great part" to mean specifically more than half. The Oxford English Dictionary has this gloss for a subsense of great
c.With the. That constitutes more than half, larger, as the great body (of), the great part (of), etc.
with citations going back to Middle English.
So Sauron placed most of his natural power in his artifact. And actually, it seems likely that he place almost all of his power in it. The power that went into the Ring was multiplied by the physical instrumentality of the Ring. Once Sauron put it on, he was more powerful than he ever had been before, and to get the greatest advantage from the Ring, it would be natural for him imbue the Ring with as much of his power as possible, so as to get the largest multiplier effect.
The situation changed significantly when the Dark Lord lost possession of the One Ring. Without it in his possession, he could not use its powers to their fullest potential. However, as long as the Ring existed (and no other power had managed to claim and master the Ring), Sauron still benefited from its powers. The foundations of Barad-dur were secure, and the Ringwraiths were his dutiful servants.
When the Ring went into the Cracks of Doom, all the power that went into it was completely dissipated. Up to that point, Sauron had managed to maintain his position though his distant communion with the Ring that contained so much of his native power. When that power was dispersed, he was not left with enough to have any remaining power over the world. While he was not quite dead, he was reduced to a powerless husk. Gandalf again, in "The Last Debate":
For he will lose the best part of the strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed for ever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape. And so a great evil of this world will be removed.
Sauron passed a tremendous amount of his own native power as a Maia into the Ring he forged. Gandalf outlines the situation to Frodo in "The Shadow of the Past":
He only needs the One; for he made that Ring himself, it is his, and he let a great part of his own former power pass into it, so that he could rule all the others.
Tolkien, the Old English scholar, uses "great part" to mean specifically more than half. The Oxford English Dictionary has this gloss for a subsense of great
c.With the. That constitutes more than half, larger, as the great body (of), the great part (of), etc.
with citations going back to Middle English.
So Sauron placed most of his natural power in his artifact. And actually, it seems likely that he place almost all of his power in it. The power that went into the Ring was multiplied by the physical instrumentality of the Ring. Once Sauron put it on, he was more powerful than he ever had been before, and to get the greatest advantage from the Ring, it would be natural for him imbue the Ring with as much of his power as possible, so as to get the largest multiplier effect.
The situation changed significantly when the Dark Lord lost possession of the One Ring. Without it in his possession, he could not use its powers to their fullest potential. However, as long as the Ring existed (and no other power had managed to claim and master the Ring), Sauron still benefited from its powers. The foundations of Barad-dur were secure, and the Ringwraiths were his dutiful servants.
When the Ring went into the Cracks of Doom, all the power that went into it was completely dissipated. Up to that point, Sauron had managed to maintain his position though his distant communion with the Ring that contained so much of his native power. When that power was dispersed, he was not left with enough to have any remaining power over the world. While he was not quite dead, he was reduced to a powerless husk. Gandalf again, in "The Last Debate":
For he will lose the best part of the strength that was native to him in his beginning, and all that was made or begun with that power will crumble, and he will be maimed for ever, becoming a mere spirit of malice that gnaws itself in the shadows, but cannot again grow or take shape. And so a great evil of this world will be removed.
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It's stated quite clearly that Sauron put the greater part of his own essence into the ring, and although being away from the ring weakened him, it did not do so catastrophically; that part of his essence was still around to keep him strong enough for his purposes.
When the ring was destroyed, that part of his essence was either destroyed (or so it was assumed by everybody who knew about these things) or it was removed from the world entirely so that for all purposes within Arda, it may as well have been destroyed.
It's sort of like putting 90% of your money into the stock of a company. As long as the company is in good shape, for all intents and purposes you are still as rich as you were. But if the company goes bankrupt, such that the stock becomes worthless, then you truly plummet to 10% of your former net worth.
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It's stated quite clearly that Sauron put the greater part of his own essence into the ring, and although being away from the ring weakened him, it did not do so catastrophically; that part of his essence was still around to keep him strong enough for his purposes.
When the ring was destroyed, that part of his essence was either destroyed (or so it was assumed by everybody who knew about these things) or it was removed from the world entirely so that for all purposes within Arda, it may as well have been destroyed.
It's sort of like putting 90% of your money into the stock of a company. As long as the company is in good shape, for all intents and purposes you are still as rich as you were. But if the company goes bankrupt, such that the stock becomes worthless, then you truly plummet to 10% of your former net worth.
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It's stated quite clearly that Sauron put the greater part of his own essence into the ring, and although being away from the ring weakened him, it did not do so catastrophically; that part of his essence was still around to keep him strong enough for his purposes.
When the ring was destroyed, that part of his essence was either destroyed (or so it was assumed by everybody who knew about these things) or it was removed from the world entirely so that for all purposes within Arda, it may as well have been destroyed.
It's sort of like putting 90% of your money into the stock of a company. As long as the company is in good shape, for all intents and purposes you are still as rich as you were. But if the company goes bankrupt, such that the stock becomes worthless, then you truly plummet to 10% of your former net worth.
It's stated quite clearly that Sauron put the greater part of his own essence into the ring, and although being away from the ring weakened him, it did not do so catastrophically; that part of his essence was still around to keep him strong enough for his purposes.
When the ring was destroyed, that part of his essence was either destroyed (or so it was assumed by everybody who knew about these things) or it was removed from the world entirely so that for all purposes within Arda, it may as well have been destroyed.
It's sort of like putting 90% of your money into the stock of a company. As long as the company is in good shape, for all intents and purposes you are still as rich as you were. But if the company goes bankrupt, such that the stock becomes worthless, then you truly plummet to 10% of your former net worth.
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Not an answer because I'm just speculating, but this is how I've always seen it: Isildur killed Sauron's body, and the only reason Sauron survived that was his magic, which itself survived because it was imbued in the Ring. No More Ring meant No More Magic, which in turn meant No More Cheating Death.
– Harry Johnston
2 hours ago
1
Tolkien took many influences from JRR Rowling - think of the Ring like a Horcrux. Once Harry (Frodo) destroyed the Ring (Horcrux), Lord Voldemort (Sauron) was no longer able to take physical form... (can’t downvote a comment!! - it’s like my essence survives... hmmmm)
– Celestialgranturismo
2 hours ago
Linked or possible dupe:scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/37670/…
– Mat Cauthon
2 hours ago
@Celestialgranturismo - Tolkien took influence from Rowling? Hmm, that explains much :D
– Megha
16 mins ago
@Celestialgranturismo Come on. All know who wrote first. Instead you can think of a horcrux like the Ring.
– the-profile-that-was-promised
7 mins ago