How to check if stdin is /dev/null from the shell?












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On Linux, is there a way for a shell script to check if its standard input is redirected from the null device (1, 3) *, ideally without reading anything?



The expected behavior would be:



./checkstdinnull
-> no
./checkstdinnull < /dev/null
-> yes
echo -n | ./checkstdinnull
-> no

EDIT

mknod secretunknownname c 1 3
exec 6<secretunknownname
rm secretunknownname
./checkstdinnull <&6
-> yes


I suspect I "just" need to read the maj/min number of the input device. But I can't find a way of doing that from the shell.






*No necessary just /dev/null, but any null device even if manually created with mknod.








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    Do you need to know if it's /dev/null, or just that it's not a tty?
    – roaima
    Nov 26 at 15:05










  • The output of { readlink -f /dev/stdin; } <&6 for the case where you used exec and removed the node is /root/secretunknownname (deleted). As it shows that the file got deleted: Isn't that enough for what you need?
    – Isaac
    Nov 26 at 17:11










  • I need (actually "needed") to know if the standard input was the null device.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:19






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    I am trying to find my way in a (very poorly designed!) industrial system. And it sometimes maps input of worker utility to the null device, or, some other times, to the actual hardware device. In both cases using the same code, but with different major/minor dev numbers. We are trying to track when (and why!) it sometimes chose to use one or the other. For now, the stat solution is the only one working.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:23












  • "So, the example on your EDIT doesn't really reproduce the problem that you describe, or: does it?" It does. Input in redirected from the null device. Which is usually accessed through /dev/null, but not necessary. You can "alias" is with mknod s illustrated in my example.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:33
















8














On Linux, is there a way for a shell script to check if its standard input is redirected from the null device (1, 3) *, ideally without reading anything?



The expected behavior would be:



./checkstdinnull
-> no
./checkstdinnull < /dev/null
-> yes
echo -n | ./checkstdinnull
-> no

EDIT

mknod secretunknownname c 1 3
exec 6<secretunknownname
rm secretunknownname
./checkstdinnull <&6
-> yes


I suspect I "just" need to read the maj/min number of the input device. But I can't find a way of doing that from the shell.






*No necessary just /dev/null, but any null device even if manually created with mknod.








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  • 2




    Do you need to know if it's /dev/null, or just that it's not a tty?
    – roaima
    Nov 26 at 15:05










  • The output of { readlink -f /dev/stdin; } <&6 for the case where you used exec and removed the node is /root/secretunknownname (deleted). As it shows that the file got deleted: Isn't that enough for what you need?
    – Isaac
    Nov 26 at 17:11










  • I need (actually "needed") to know if the standard input was the null device.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:19






  • 2




    I am trying to find my way in a (very poorly designed!) industrial system. And it sometimes maps input of worker utility to the null device, or, some other times, to the actual hardware device. In both cases using the same code, but with different major/minor dev numbers. We are trying to track when (and why!) it sometimes chose to use one or the other. For now, the stat solution is the only one working.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:23












  • "So, the example on your EDIT doesn't really reproduce the problem that you describe, or: does it?" It does. Input in redirected from the null device. Which is usually accessed through /dev/null, but not necessary. You can "alias" is with mknod s illustrated in my example.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:33














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On Linux, is there a way for a shell script to check if its standard input is redirected from the null device (1, 3) *, ideally without reading anything?



The expected behavior would be:



./checkstdinnull
-> no
./checkstdinnull < /dev/null
-> yes
echo -n | ./checkstdinnull
-> no

EDIT

mknod secretunknownname c 1 3
exec 6<secretunknownname
rm secretunknownname
./checkstdinnull <&6
-> yes


I suspect I "just" need to read the maj/min number of the input device. But I can't find a way of doing that from the shell.






*No necessary just /dev/null, but any null device even if manually created with mknod.








share|improve this question















On Linux, is there a way for a shell script to check if its standard input is redirected from the null device (1, 3) *, ideally without reading anything?



The expected behavior would be:



./checkstdinnull
-> no
./checkstdinnull < /dev/null
-> yes
echo -n | ./checkstdinnull
-> no

EDIT

mknod secretunknownname c 1 3
exec 6<secretunknownname
rm secretunknownname
./checkstdinnull <&6
-> yes


I suspect I "just" need to read the maj/min number of the input device. But I can't find a way of doing that from the shell.






*No necessary just /dev/null, but any null device even if manually created with mknod.





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    Do you need to know if it's /dev/null, or just that it's not a tty?
    – roaima
    Nov 26 at 15:05










  • The output of { readlink -f /dev/stdin; } <&6 for the case where you used exec and removed the node is /root/secretunknownname (deleted). As it shows that the file got deleted: Isn't that enough for what you need?
    – Isaac
    Nov 26 at 17:11










  • I need (actually "needed") to know if the standard input was the null device.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:19






  • 2




    I am trying to find my way in a (very poorly designed!) industrial system. And it sometimes maps input of worker utility to the null device, or, some other times, to the actual hardware device. In both cases using the same code, but with different major/minor dev numbers. We are trying to track when (and why!) it sometimes chose to use one or the other. For now, the stat solution is the only one working.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:23












  • "So, the example on your EDIT doesn't really reproduce the problem that you describe, or: does it?" It does. Input in redirected from the null device. Which is usually accessed through /dev/null, but not necessary. You can "alias" is with mknod s illustrated in my example.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:33














  • 2




    Do you need to know if it's /dev/null, or just that it's not a tty?
    – roaima
    Nov 26 at 15:05










  • The output of { readlink -f /dev/stdin; } <&6 for the case where you used exec and removed the node is /root/secretunknownname (deleted). As it shows that the file got deleted: Isn't that enough for what you need?
    – Isaac
    Nov 26 at 17:11










  • I need (actually "needed") to know if the standard input was the null device.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:19






  • 2




    I am trying to find my way in a (very poorly designed!) industrial system. And it sometimes maps input of worker utility to the null device, or, some other times, to the actual hardware device. In both cases using the same code, but with different major/minor dev numbers. We are trying to track when (and why!) it sometimes chose to use one or the other. For now, the stat solution is the only one working.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:23












  • "So, the example on your EDIT doesn't really reproduce the problem that you describe, or: does it?" It does. Input in redirected from the null device. Which is usually accessed through /dev/null, but not necessary. You can "alias" is with mknod s illustrated in my example.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:33








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Do you need to know if it's /dev/null, or just that it's not a tty?
– roaima
Nov 26 at 15:05




Do you need to know if it's /dev/null, or just that it's not a tty?
– roaima
Nov 26 at 15:05












The output of { readlink -f /dev/stdin; } <&6 for the case where you used exec and removed the node is /root/secretunknownname (deleted). As it shows that the file got deleted: Isn't that enough for what you need?
– Isaac
Nov 26 at 17:11




The output of { readlink -f /dev/stdin; } <&6 for the case where you used exec and removed the node is /root/secretunknownname (deleted). As it shows that the file got deleted: Isn't that enough for what you need?
– Isaac
Nov 26 at 17:11












I need (actually "needed") to know if the standard input was the null device.
– Sylvain Leroux
Nov 26 at 17:19




I need (actually "needed") to know if the standard input was the null device.
– Sylvain Leroux
Nov 26 at 17:19




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2




I am trying to find my way in a (very poorly designed!) industrial system. And it sometimes maps input of worker utility to the null device, or, some other times, to the actual hardware device. In both cases using the same code, but with different major/minor dev numbers. We are trying to track when (and why!) it sometimes chose to use one or the other. For now, the stat solution is the only one working.
– Sylvain Leroux
Nov 26 at 17:23






I am trying to find my way in a (very poorly designed!) industrial system. And it sometimes maps input of worker utility to the null device, or, some other times, to the actual hardware device. In both cases using the same code, but with different major/minor dev numbers. We are trying to track when (and why!) it sometimes chose to use one or the other. For now, the stat solution is the only one working.
– Sylvain Leroux
Nov 26 at 17:23














"So, the example on your EDIT doesn't really reproduce the problem that you describe, or: does it?" It does. Input in redirected from the null device. Which is usually accessed through /dev/null, but not necessary. You can "alias" is with mknod s illustrated in my example.
– Sylvain Leroux
Nov 26 at 17:33




"So, the example on your EDIT doesn't really reproduce the problem that you describe, or: does it?" It does. Input in redirected from the null device. Which is usually accessed through /dev/null, but not necessary. You can "alias" is with mknod s illustrated in my example.
– Sylvain Leroux
Nov 26 at 17:33










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On linux, you can do it with:



stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin`" = "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null`"; }


On a linux without stat(1) (eg. the busybox on your router):



stdin_is_dev_null(){ ls -Ll /proc/self/fd/0 | grep -q ' 1,  *3 '; }


On *bsd:



stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -f %Z`" = "`stat -Lf %Z /dev/null`"; }


On systems like *bsd and solaris, /dev/stdin, /dev/fd/0 and /proc/PID/fd/0 are not "magical" symlinks as on linux, but character devices which will switch to the real file when opened. A stat(2) on their path will return something different than a fstat(2) on the opened file descriptor.



This means that the linux example will not work there, even with GNU coreutils installed. If the versions of GNU stat(1) is recent enough, you can use the - argument to let it do a fstat(2) on the file descriptor 0, just like the stat(1) from *bsd:



stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -Lc %t:%T -`" = "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null`"; }


It's also very easy to do the check portably in any language which offers an interface to fstat(2), eg. in perl:



stdin_is_dev_null(){ perl -e 'exit((stat STDIN)[6]!=(stat "/dev/null")[6])'; }





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    As the device type of /dev/null is 1:3, you could test for that immediately.
    – RudiC
    Nov 26 at 15:55






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    FWIW the question was not about shell syntax. For what is concerning my issue, if the answer had only pointed me to the stat command I would have already been quite satisfied. I don't see the point in starting an editing war between ` and $( supporters. Personally, I prefer $(...) and there are some POSIX rationales in favor of that syntax (pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/xrat/… ) But I don't see the point in downvoting an otherwise correct answer for something not related with the question.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:06








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    Could someone explain why $( ... ) is preferred over backticks in the context of this answer?
    – user1717828
    Nov 26 at 21:35










  • "what bug does that fix"? It doesn't fix a bug. The $(..) style nests more easily and AIUI is the POSIX preferred approach. I certainly hadn't intended to start any form of editing war, preferring to comment with a suggestion rather than change your excellent answer.
    – roaima
    Nov 27 at 9:03










  • @user1717828 see here and here and here for some clarity.
    – roaima
    Nov 27 at 9:07



















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On Linux, to determine whether standard input is redirected from /dev/null, you can check whether /proc/self/fd/0 has the same device and inode as /dev/null:



if [ /proc/self/fd/0 -ef /dev/null ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi


You can use /dev/stdin instead of /proc/self/fd/0.



If you want to check whether standard input is redirected from the null device, you need to compare major and minor device numbers, for example using stat (see also mosvy’s answer):



if [ "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin)" = "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null)" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi


or, if you don’t care about this being Linux-specific,



if [ "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin)" = "1:3" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi





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    -ef, True if FILE1 and FILE2 refer to the same device and inode
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    Nov 26 at 15:13












  • very cool. bash -c 'ls -l /proc/self/fd/0 /dev/null; [[ /proc/self/fd/0 -ef /dev/null ]] && echo dev null' then do that again with </dev/null. +1
    – glenn jackman
    Nov 26 at 17:20






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    The /dev/stdin being a symlink to the original file is specific to Linux, so all those solutions are Linux-specific anyway. The stat-based ones require GNU or busybox stat. With recent versions of GNU stat, you can use stat - to do a fstat() on fd 0 which would then work on non-Linux systems.
    – Stéphane Chazelas
    Nov 26 at 18:48












  • @Stéphane the last part is exactly the situation the OP ran into, which is why I wrote up both solutions, distinguishing between /dev/null and the null device.
    – Stephen Kitt
    Nov 26 at 19:25










  • Oops, missed that.
    – Stéphane Chazelas
    Nov 26 at 20:50



















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Portably, to check that stdin is the null device (open on /dev/null or not (like a copy of /dev/null)), with zsh (whose stat builtin predates both GNU and FreeBSD stat by the way (not IRIX' though))):



zmodload zsh/stat
if [ "$(stat +rdev -f 0)" = "$(stat +rdev /dev/null)" ]; then
echo stdin is open on the null device
fi


(note that it doesn't say if the file descriptor was open in read-only, write-only or read+write mode).



To check that it's open on the current /dev/null file specifically (not /some/chroot/dev/null for instance), on Linux only (where /dev/stdin is implemented as a symlink to the file open on fd 0 instead of a special device which when open acts like a dup(0) in other systems):



if [ /dev/stdin -ef /dev/null ]; then
echo stdin is open on /dev/null
fi


On non-Linux, you can try:



if sh -c 'lsof -tad0 -p"$$" /dev/null' > /dev/null 2>&-; then
echo stdin is open on /dev/null
fi





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    On linux, you can do it with:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin`" = "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null`"; }


    On a linux without stat(1) (eg. the busybox on your router):



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ ls -Ll /proc/self/fd/0 | grep -q ' 1,  *3 '; }


    On *bsd:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -f %Z`" = "`stat -Lf %Z /dev/null`"; }


    On systems like *bsd and solaris, /dev/stdin, /dev/fd/0 and /proc/PID/fd/0 are not "magical" symlinks as on linux, but character devices which will switch to the real file when opened. A stat(2) on their path will return something different than a fstat(2) on the opened file descriptor.



    This means that the linux example will not work there, even with GNU coreutils installed. If the versions of GNU stat(1) is recent enough, you can use the - argument to let it do a fstat(2) on the file descriptor 0, just like the stat(1) from *bsd:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -Lc %t:%T -`" = "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null`"; }


    It's also very easy to do the check portably in any language which offers an interface to fstat(2), eg. in perl:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ perl -e 'exit((stat STDIN)[6]!=(stat "/dev/null")[6])'; }





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      As the device type of /dev/null is 1:3, you could test for that immediately.
      – RudiC
      Nov 26 at 15:55






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      FWIW the question was not about shell syntax. For what is concerning my issue, if the answer had only pointed me to the stat command I would have already been quite satisfied. I don't see the point in starting an editing war between ` and $( supporters. Personally, I prefer $(...) and there are some POSIX rationales in favor of that syntax (pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/xrat/… ) But I don't see the point in downvoting an otherwise correct answer for something not related with the question.
      – Sylvain Leroux
      Nov 26 at 17:06








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      Could someone explain why $( ... ) is preferred over backticks in the context of this answer?
      – user1717828
      Nov 26 at 21:35










    • "what bug does that fix"? It doesn't fix a bug. The $(..) style nests more easily and AIUI is the POSIX preferred approach. I certainly hadn't intended to start any form of editing war, preferring to comment with a suggestion rather than change your excellent answer.
      – roaima
      Nov 27 at 9:03










    • @user1717828 see here and here and here for some clarity.
      – roaima
      Nov 27 at 9:07
















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    On linux, you can do it with:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin`" = "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null`"; }


    On a linux without stat(1) (eg. the busybox on your router):



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ ls -Ll /proc/self/fd/0 | grep -q ' 1,  *3 '; }


    On *bsd:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -f %Z`" = "`stat -Lf %Z /dev/null`"; }


    On systems like *bsd and solaris, /dev/stdin, /dev/fd/0 and /proc/PID/fd/0 are not "magical" symlinks as on linux, but character devices which will switch to the real file when opened. A stat(2) on their path will return something different than a fstat(2) on the opened file descriptor.



    This means that the linux example will not work there, even with GNU coreutils installed. If the versions of GNU stat(1) is recent enough, you can use the - argument to let it do a fstat(2) on the file descriptor 0, just like the stat(1) from *bsd:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -Lc %t:%T -`" = "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null`"; }


    It's also very easy to do the check portably in any language which offers an interface to fstat(2), eg. in perl:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ perl -e 'exit((stat STDIN)[6]!=(stat "/dev/null")[6])'; }





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      As the device type of /dev/null is 1:3, you could test for that immediately.
      – RudiC
      Nov 26 at 15:55






    • 12




      FWIW the question was not about shell syntax. For what is concerning my issue, if the answer had only pointed me to the stat command I would have already been quite satisfied. I don't see the point in starting an editing war between ` and $( supporters. Personally, I prefer $(...) and there are some POSIX rationales in favor of that syntax (pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/xrat/… ) But I don't see the point in downvoting an otherwise correct answer for something not related with the question.
      – Sylvain Leroux
      Nov 26 at 17:06








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      Could someone explain why $( ... ) is preferred over backticks in the context of this answer?
      – user1717828
      Nov 26 at 21:35










    • "what bug does that fix"? It doesn't fix a bug. The $(..) style nests more easily and AIUI is the POSIX preferred approach. I certainly hadn't intended to start any form of editing war, preferring to comment with a suggestion rather than change your excellent answer.
      – roaima
      Nov 27 at 9:03










    • @user1717828 see here and here and here for some clarity.
      – roaima
      Nov 27 at 9:07














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    On linux, you can do it with:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin`" = "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null`"; }


    On a linux without stat(1) (eg. the busybox on your router):



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ ls -Ll /proc/self/fd/0 | grep -q ' 1,  *3 '; }


    On *bsd:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -f %Z`" = "`stat -Lf %Z /dev/null`"; }


    On systems like *bsd and solaris, /dev/stdin, /dev/fd/0 and /proc/PID/fd/0 are not "magical" symlinks as on linux, but character devices which will switch to the real file when opened. A stat(2) on their path will return something different than a fstat(2) on the opened file descriptor.



    This means that the linux example will not work there, even with GNU coreutils installed. If the versions of GNU stat(1) is recent enough, you can use the - argument to let it do a fstat(2) on the file descriptor 0, just like the stat(1) from *bsd:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -Lc %t:%T -`" = "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null`"; }


    It's also very easy to do the check portably in any language which offers an interface to fstat(2), eg. in perl:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ perl -e 'exit((stat STDIN)[6]!=(stat "/dev/null")[6])'; }





    share|improve this answer














    On linux, you can do it with:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin`" = "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null`"; }


    On a linux without stat(1) (eg. the busybox on your router):



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ ls -Ll /proc/self/fd/0 | grep -q ' 1,  *3 '; }


    On *bsd:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -f %Z`" = "`stat -Lf %Z /dev/null`"; }


    On systems like *bsd and solaris, /dev/stdin, /dev/fd/0 and /proc/PID/fd/0 are not "magical" symlinks as on linux, but character devices which will switch to the real file when opened. A stat(2) on their path will return something different than a fstat(2) on the opened file descriptor.



    This means that the linux example will not work there, even with GNU coreutils installed. If the versions of GNU stat(1) is recent enough, you can use the - argument to let it do a fstat(2) on the file descriptor 0, just like the stat(1) from *bsd:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ test "`stat -Lc %t:%T -`" = "`stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null`"; }


    It's also very easy to do the check portably in any language which offers an interface to fstat(2), eg. in perl:



    stdin_is_dev_null(){ perl -e 'exit((stat STDIN)[6]!=(stat "/dev/null")[6])'; }






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      As the device type of /dev/null is 1:3, you could test for that immediately.
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      Nov 26 at 15:55






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      FWIW the question was not about shell syntax. For what is concerning my issue, if the answer had only pointed me to the stat command I would have already been quite satisfied. I don't see the point in starting an editing war between ` and $( supporters. Personally, I prefer $(...) and there are some POSIX rationales in favor of that syntax (pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/xrat/… ) But I don't see the point in downvoting an otherwise correct answer for something not related with the question.
      – Sylvain Leroux
      Nov 26 at 17:06








    • 2




      Could someone explain why $( ... ) is preferred over backticks in the context of this answer?
      – user1717828
      Nov 26 at 21:35










    • "what bug does that fix"? It doesn't fix a bug. The $(..) style nests more easily and AIUI is the POSIX preferred approach. I certainly hadn't intended to start any form of editing war, preferring to comment with a suggestion rather than change your excellent answer.
      – roaima
      Nov 27 at 9:03










    • @user1717828 see here and here and here for some clarity.
      – roaima
      Nov 27 at 9:07














    • 1




      As the device type of /dev/null is 1:3, you could test for that immediately.
      – RudiC
      Nov 26 at 15:55






    • 12




      FWIW the question was not about shell syntax. For what is concerning my issue, if the answer had only pointed me to the stat command I would have already been quite satisfied. I don't see the point in starting an editing war between ` and $( supporters. Personally, I prefer $(...) and there are some POSIX rationales in favor of that syntax (pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/xrat/… ) But I don't see the point in downvoting an otherwise correct answer for something not related with the question.
      – Sylvain Leroux
      Nov 26 at 17:06








    • 2




      Could someone explain why $( ... ) is preferred over backticks in the context of this answer?
      – user1717828
      Nov 26 at 21:35










    • "what bug does that fix"? It doesn't fix a bug. The $(..) style nests more easily and AIUI is the POSIX preferred approach. I certainly hadn't intended to start any form of editing war, preferring to comment with a suggestion rather than change your excellent answer.
      – roaima
      Nov 27 at 9:03










    • @user1717828 see here and here and here for some clarity.
      – roaima
      Nov 27 at 9:07








    1




    1




    As the device type of /dev/null is 1:3, you could test for that immediately.
    – RudiC
    Nov 26 at 15:55




    As the device type of /dev/null is 1:3, you could test for that immediately.
    – RudiC
    Nov 26 at 15:55




    12




    12




    FWIW the question was not about shell syntax. For what is concerning my issue, if the answer had only pointed me to the stat command I would have already been quite satisfied. I don't see the point in starting an editing war between ` and $( supporters. Personally, I prefer $(...) and there are some POSIX rationales in favor of that syntax (pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/xrat/… ) But I don't see the point in downvoting an otherwise correct answer for something not related with the question.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:06






    FWIW the question was not about shell syntax. For what is concerning my issue, if the answer had only pointed me to the stat command I would have already been quite satisfied. I don't see the point in starting an editing war between ` and $( supporters. Personally, I prefer $(...) and there are some POSIX rationales in favor of that syntax (pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/xrat/… ) But I don't see the point in downvoting an otherwise correct answer for something not related with the question.
    – Sylvain Leroux
    Nov 26 at 17:06






    2




    2




    Could someone explain why $( ... ) is preferred over backticks in the context of this answer?
    – user1717828
    Nov 26 at 21:35




    Could someone explain why $( ... ) is preferred over backticks in the context of this answer?
    – user1717828
    Nov 26 at 21:35












    "what bug does that fix"? It doesn't fix a bug. The $(..) style nests more easily and AIUI is the POSIX preferred approach. I certainly hadn't intended to start any form of editing war, preferring to comment with a suggestion rather than change your excellent answer.
    – roaima
    Nov 27 at 9:03




    "what bug does that fix"? It doesn't fix a bug. The $(..) style nests more easily and AIUI is the POSIX preferred approach. I certainly hadn't intended to start any form of editing war, preferring to comment with a suggestion rather than change your excellent answer.
    – roaima
    Nov 27 at 9:03












    @user1717828 see here and here and here for some clarity.
    – roaima
    Nov 27 at 9:07




    @user1717828 see here and here and here for some clarity.
    – roaima
    Nov 27 at 9:07













    15














    On Linux, to determine whether standard input is redirected from /dev/null, you can check whether /proc/self/fd/0 has the same device and inode as /dev/null:



    if [ /proc/self/fd/0 -ef /dev/null ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi


    You can use /dev/stdin instead of /proc/self/fd/0.



    If you want to check whether standard input is redirected from the null device, you need to compare major and minor device numbers, for example using stat (see also mosvy’s answer):



    if [ "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin)" = "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null)" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi


    or, if you don’t care about this being Linux-specific,



    if [ "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin)" = "1:3" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi





    share|improve this answer



















    • 2




      -ef, True if FILE1 and FILE2 refer to the same device and inode
      – Rui F Ribeiro
      Nov 26 at 15:13












    • very cool. bash -c 'ls -l /proc/self/fd/0 /dev/null; [[ /proc/self/fd/0 -ef /dev/null ]] && echo dev null' then do that again with </dev/null. +1
      – glenn jackman
      Nov 26 at 17:20






    • 1




      The /dev/stdin being a symlink to the original file is specific to Linux, so all those solutions are Linux-specific anyway. The stat-based ones require GNU or busybox stat. With recent versions of GNU stat, you can use stat - to do a fstat() on fd 0 which would then work on non-Linux systems.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      Nov 26 at 18:48












    • @Stéphane the last part is exactly the situation the OP ran into, which is why I wrote up both solutions, distinguishing between /dev/null and the null device.
      – Stephen Kitt
      Nov 26 at 19:25










    • Oops, missed that.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      Nov 26 at 20:50
















    15














    On Linux, to determine whether standard input is redirected from /dev/null, you can check whether /proc/self/fd/0 has the same device and inode as /dev/null:



    if [ /proc/self/fd/0 -ef /dev/null ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi


    You can use /dev/stdin instead of /proc/self/fd/0.



    If you want to check whether standard input is redirected from the null device, you need to compare major and minor device numbers, for example using stat (see also mosvy’s answer):



    if [ "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin)" = "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null)" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi


    or, if you don’t care about this being Linux-specific,



    if [ "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin)" = "1:3" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi





    share|improve this answer



















    • 2




      -ef, True if FILE1 and FILE2 refer to the same device and inode
      – Rui F Ribeiro
      Nov 26 at 15:13












    • very cool. bash -c 'ls -l /proc/self/fd/0 /dev/null; [[ /proc/self/fd/0 -ef /dev/null ]] && echo dev null' then do that again with </dev/null. +1
      – glenn jackman
      Nov 26 at 17:20






    • 1




      The /dev/stdin being a symlink to the original file is specific to Linux, so all those solutions are Linux-specific anyway. The stat-based ones require GNU or busybox stat. With recent versions of GNU stat, you can use stat - to do a fstat() on fd 0 which would then work on non-Linux systems.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      Nov 26 at 18:48












    • @Stéphane the last part is exactly the situation the OP ran into, which is why I wrote up both solutions, distinguishing between /dev/null and the null device.
      – Stephen Kitt
      Nov 26 at 19:25










    • Oops, missed that.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      Nov 26 at 20:50














    15












    15








    15






    On Linux, to determine whether standard input is redirected from /dev/null, you can check whether /proc/self/fd/0 has the same device and inode as /dev/null:



    if [ /proc/self/fd/0 -ef /dev/null ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi


    You can use /dev/stdin instead of /proc/self/fd/0.



    If you want to check whether standard input is redirected from the null device, you need to compare major and minor device numbers, for example using stat (see also mosvy’s answer):



    if [ "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin)" = "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null)" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi


    or, if you don’t care about this being Linux-specific,



    if [ "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin)" = "1:3" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi





    share|improve this answer














    On Linux, to determine whether standard input is redirected from /dev/null, you can check whether /proc/self/fd/0 has the same device and inode as /dev/null:



    if [ /proc/self/fd/0 -ef /dev/null ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi


    You can use /dev/stdin instead of /proc/self/fd/0.



    If you want to check whether standard input is redirected from the null device, you need to compare major and minor device numbers, for example using stat (see also mosvy’s answer):



    if [ "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin)" = "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/null)" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi


    or, if you don’t care about this being Linux-specific,



    if [ "$(stat -Lc %t:%T /dev/stdin)" = "1:3" ]; then echo yes; else echo no; fi






    share|improve this answer














    share|improve this answer



    share|improve this answer








    edited Nov 26 at 22:03

























    answered Nov 26 at 15:08









    Stephen Kitt

    163k24364444




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    • 2




      -ef, True if FILE1 and FILE2 refer to the same device and inode
      – Rui F Ribeiro
      Nov 26 at 15:13












    • very cool. bash -c 'ls -l /proc/self/fd/0 /dev/null; [[ /proc/self/fd/0 -ef /dev/null ]] && echo dev null' then do that again with </dev/null. +1
      – glenn jackman
      Nov 26 at 17:20






    • 1




      The /dev/stdin being a symlink to the original file is specific to Linux, so all those solutions are Linux-specific anyway. The stat-based ones require GNU or busybox stat. With recent versions of GNU stat, you can use stat - to do a fstat() on fd 0 which would then work on non-Linux systems.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      Nov 26 at 18:48












    • @Stéphane the last part is exactly the situation the OP ran into, which is why I wrote up both solutions, distinguishing between /dev/null and the null device.
      – Stephen Kitt
      Nov 26 at 19:25










    • Oops, missed that.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      Nov 26 at 20:50














    • 2




      -ef, True if FILE1 and FILE2 refer to the same device and inode
      – Rui F Ribeiro
      Nov 26 at 15:13












    • very cool. bash -c 'ls -l /proc/self/fd/0 /dev/null; [[ /proc/self/fd/0 -ef /dev/null ]] && echo dev null' then do that again with </dev/null. +1
      – glenn jackman
      Nov 26 at 17:20






    • 1




      The /dev/stdin being a symlink to the original file is specific to Linux, so all those solutions are Linux-specific anyway. The stat-based ones require GNU or busybox stat. With recent versions of GNU stat, you can use stat - to do a fstat() on fd 0 which would then work on non-Linux systems.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      Nov 26 at 18:48












    • @Stéphane the last part is exactly the situation the OP ran into, which is why I wrote up both solutions, distinguishing between /dev/null and the null device.
      – Stephen Kitt
      Nov 26 at 19:25










    • Oops, missed that.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      Nov 26 at 20:50








    2




    2




    -ef, True if FILE1 and FILE2 refer to the same device and inode
    – Rui F Ribeiro
    Nov 26 at 15:13






    -ef, True if FILE1 and FILE2 refer to the same device and inode
    – Rui F Ribeiro
    Nov 26 at 15:13














    very cool. bash -c 'ls -l /proc/self/fd/0 /dev/null; [[ /proc/self/fd/0 -ef /dev/null ]] && echo dev null' then do that again with </dev/null. +1
    – glenn jackman
    Nov 26 at 17:20




    very cool. bash -c 'ls -l /proc/self/fd/0 /dev/null; [[ /proc/self/fd/0 -ef /dev/null ]] && echo dev null' then do that again with </dev/null. +1
    – glenn jackman
    Nov 26 at 17:20




    1




    1




    The /dev/stdin being a symlink to the original file is specific to Linux, so all those solutions are Linux-specific anyway. The stat-based ones require GNU or busybox stat. With recent versions of GNU stat, you can use stat - to do a fstat() on fd 0 which would then work on non-Linux systems.
    – Stéphane Chazelas
    Nov 26 at 18:48






    The /dev/stdin being a symlink to the original file is specific to Linux, so all those solutions are Linux-specific anyway. The stat-based ones require GNU or busybox stat. With recent versions of GNU stat, you can use stat - to do a fstat() on fd 0 which would then work on non-Linux systems.
    – Stéphane Chazelas
    Nov 26 at 18:48














    @Stéphane the last part is exactly the situation the OP ran into, which is why I wrote up both solutions, distinguishing between /dev/null and the null device.
    – Stephen Kitt
    Nov 26 at 19:25




    @Stéphane the last part is exactly the situation the OP ran into, which is why I wrote up both solutions, distinguishing between /dev/null and the null device.
    – Stephen Kitt
    Nov 26 at 19:25












    Oops, missed that.
    – Stéphane Chazelas
    Nov 26 at 20:50




    Oops, missed that.
    – Stéphane Chazelas
    Nov 26 at 20:50











    3














    Portably, to check that stdin is the null device (open on /dev/null or not (like a copy of /dev/null)), with zsh (whose stat builtin predates both GNU and FreeBSD stat by the way (not IRIX' though))):



    zmodload zsh/stat
    if [ "$(stat +rdev -f 0)" = "$(stat +rdev /dev/null)" ]; then
    echo stdin is open on the null device
    fi


    (note that it doesn't say if the file descriptor was open in read-only, write-only or read+write mode).



    To check that it's open on the current /dev/null file specifically (not /some/chroot/dev/null for instance), on Linux only (where /dev/stdin is implemented as a symlink to the file open on fd 0 instead of a special device which when open acts like a dup(0) in other systems):



    if [ /dev/stdin -ef /dev/null ]; then
    echo stdin is open on /dev/null
    fi


    On non-Linux, you can try:



    if sh -c 'lsof -tad0 -p"$$" /dev/null' > /dev/null 2>&-; then
    echo stdin is open on /dev/null
    fi





    share|improve this answer


























      3














      Portably, to check that stdin is the null device (open on /dev/null or not (like a copy of /dev/null)), with zsh (whose stat builtin predates both GNU and FreeBSD stat by the way (not IRIX' though))):



      zmodload zsh/stat
      if [ "$(stat +rdev -f 0)" = "$(stat +rdev /dev/null)" ]; then
      echo stdin is open on the null device
      fi


      (note that it doesn't say if the file descriptor was open in read-only, write-only or read+write mode).



      To check that it's open on the current /dev/null file specifically (not /some/chroot/dev/null for instance), on Linux only (where /dev/stdin is implemented as a symlink to the file open on fd 0 instead of a special device which when open acts like a dup(0) in other systems):



      if [ /dev/stdin -ef /dev/null ]; then
      echo stdin is open on /dev/null
      fi


      On non-Linux, you can try:



      if sh -c 'lsof -tad0 -p"$$" /dev/null' > /dev/null 2>&-; then
      echo stdin is open on /dev/null
      fi





      share|improve this answer
























        3












        3








        3






        Portably, to check that stdin is the null device (open on /dev/null or not (like a copy of /dev/null)), with zsh (whose stat builtin predates both GNU and FreeBSD stat by the way (not IRIX' though))):



        zmodload zsh/stat
        if [ "$(stat +rdev -f 0)" = "$(stat +rdev /dev/null)" ]; then
        echo stdin is open on the null device
        fi


        (note that it doesn't say if the file descriptor was open in read-only, write-only or read+write mode).



        To check that it's open on the current /dev/null file specifically (not /some/chroot/dev/null for instance), on Linux only (where /dev/stdin is implemented as a symlink to the file open on fd 0 instead of a special device which when open acts like a dup(0) in other systems):



        if [ /dev/stdin -ef /dev/null ]; then
        echo stdin is open on /dev/null
        fi


        On non-Linux, you can try:



        if sh -c 'lsof -tad0 -p"$$" /dev/null' > /dev/null 2>&-; then
        echo stdin is open on /dev/null
        fi





        share|improve this answer












        Portably, to check that stdin is the null device (open on /dev/null or not (like a copy of /dev/null)), with zsh (whose stat builtin predates both GNU and FreeBSD stat by the way (not IRIX' though))):



        zmodload zsh/stat
        if [ "$(stat +rdev -f 0)" = "$(stat +rdev /dev/null)" ]; then
        echo stdin is open on the null device
        fi


        (note that it doesn't say if the file descriptor was open in read-only, write-only or read+write mode).



        To check that it's open on the current /dev/null file specifically (not /some/chroot/dev/null for instance), on Linux only (where /dev/stdin is implemented as a symlink to the file open on fd 0 instead of a special device which when open acts like a dup(0) in other systems):



        if [ /dev/stdin -ef /dev/null ]; then
        echo stdin is open on /dev/null
        fi


        On non-Linux, you can try:



        if sh -c 'lsof -tad0 -p"$$" /dev/null' > /dev/null 2>&-; then
        echo stdin is open on /dev/null
        fi






        share|improve this answer












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